Unsympathetic!Patton/Sympathetic!Deceit Lover

just to preface this post is absolutely no hate to thomas sanders. he’s an amazing creator and he can’t control how his fans interpret his work. moving right along!

in many fandoms, there are archetypes (typical roles that characters in media play), and there is nothing wrong with an archetype until the fandom prioritizes archetypes over characterization. a surface level example would be something like “prince charming from cinderella is a kind, sensitive man who doesn’t have the most common sense, but he’s got a big heart and a lot of love to share. but instead of creating fan work or headcanons or “kinning” that character with/because of those traits, the fandom just sees him as the one who saves cinderella. the savior. and that’s it.”

the big, number one archetype that modern fandoms have developed is “the uwu, smol, soft bean who is so innocent and can do no wrong.” an amplified and much more annoying version of the professional term “ingenue”. an ingenue (or ingenu) is a character in media who is very young and innocent, and tends to make big mistakes as a result of their youth and innocence. romeo and juliet are ingénus. anne shirley cuthburt is an ingénue. i like to argue that roman sanders is an ingenu but that’s a story for another time.

the difference between the “smol soft bean” and the ingenue is that it is clearly established in media that the ingenues are in the wrong, and despite their youth and innocence, their mistakes are present, front and center, and it is obvious to all that they’re in the wrong. of course, it isn’t always black and white. ingenues have been coerced by outside forces, or they’ve had turbulent pasts that have caused them to not know any better, but it is generally understood that these things are explanations. not excuses.

when fans talk about their “smol soft beans”, there is generally an attitude of superiority when it comes to them. “no no, that’s my wittle cinnamon role, they could never be a bully/abuser! they’re so clearly innocent and sweet!” when that character has indeed said and done awful things to others repeatedly. “my smol soft bean is always the victim and everyone else is always mean to them!” when that character clearly is not always the victim and is being mistreated by other characters as a form of retaliation or breach of trust. oftentimes, the modern fandom’s perception of a character overrides the actual actions of the character in the canon and i will explain why that’s problematic in the next paragraph.

this worlds generation has a huge, giant, collective victim complex. but it’s only natural. that’s just what happens when people go on the internet and see all of these “smol soft beans” being protected and adored, and their mistakes are being ignored. everybody wants that. deep down, everybody wants their mistakes to be erased, and for only the very best parts of them to be on display at all times. so they infantilize themselves, trying to make themselves act and look sweet and innocent and cute, so that way, they can never admit to being wrong. it’s a very imitatable behavior. one that people can emulate easily. and people do.

by now, you all may be like “but ez, what does this have to do with patton?” well, everything. patton is generally seen as the “smol soft bean” archetype in the sanders sides fandom, even though he has done an array of terrible things. here are just a few:

- he regularly ignores and teases logan, endlessly taunting the one singular vocabulary mistake logan made because he thinks it’s funny to make logan look stupid when intelligence is his entire livelihood.

- he guilt trips roman relentlessly and coerced him into making a huge mistake (choosing the wedding), and then when they all faced the consequences of roman’s mistake, patton distanced himself from it, and pretended like it was all roman’s fault that it even happened.

- he was one of remus’ biggest haters, insisting constantly on pressing him down and pretending he doesn’t exist. while all the sides essentially were remus haters (except eventually logan), patton was clearly the most prominent one.

- he infantilized virgil, even when virgil told him he was uncomfortable. he gave a false apology that he didn’t actually act upon, and he made virgil feel small.

again, that’s only a few, but those are some of the biggest ones. oftentimes, the fandom just IGNORES that these things ever happened, or gloss over them, even though they’re some of the most important lessons in the entire sanders sides storyline. people refuse to acknowledge such important truths because they want patton to be a “smol soft bean who does no wrong and is so innocent”.

and patton kinnies tend to take it a whole new level because they’re seeing this character that is being infantilized and reduced to nothing but the sweetest little gumdrop and deciding “i want to be that.” so they say that they kin patton without accepting the mistakes he’s made, or his controlling and abusive tendencies. they want to distance themselves from his mistakes, but capitalize on his innocence, which is an unhealthy way to look at things.

everyone makes mistakes. everyone is in the wrong. nobody is perfectly innocent.

and that’s why i hate patton sanders, the fandom’s attitude towards patton sanders, and pretty much all patton kinnies (unless they’re open about the completeness of pattons character).

I specifically adore characters that have immediately apparent gaping flaws and love them exactly for what makes them trainwrecks. I could never in good conscience sit and pretend they never did anything wrong because the characters I often love are literal freaking nightmares, lmao. I really depise characters like Patton and narratives (both canon and non) that surround them where you are just expected to like them or make excuses for any harm they cause because come on, they're the fandom favorite. And they are so sweet and soft- they don't know what consequences are (and we certainly won't teach them)- stop being such a harsh meanie. *glares at a certain hero fandom*

It just makes for such uninteresting and frustrating characters. Characters like Patton are boring. Squeaky clean (he isn't) with no flaws and just a baby with zero personality outside of cutesy shit to be bounced around.

just to preface this post is absolutely no hate to thomas sanders. he’s an amazing creator and he can’t control how his fans interpret his work. moving right along!

in many fandoms, there are archetypes (typical roles that characters in media play), and there is nothing wrong with an archetype until the fandom prioritizes archetypes over characterization. a surface level example would be something like “prince charming from cinderella is a kind, sensitive man who doesn’t have the most common sense, but he’s got a big heart and a lot of love to share. but instead of creating fan work or headcanons or “kinning” that character with/because of those traits, the fandom just sees him as the one who saves cinderella. the savior. and that’s it.”

the big, number one archetype that modern fandoms have developed is “the uwu, smol, soft bean who is so innocent and can do no wrong.” an amplified and much more annoying version of the professional term “ingenue”. an ingenue (or ingenu) is a character in media who is very young and innocent, and tends to make big mistakes as a result of their youth and innocence. romeo and juliet are ingénus. anne shirley cuthburt is an ingénue. i like to argue that roman sanders is an ingenu but that’s a story for another time.

the difference between the “smol soft bean” and the ingenue is that it is clearly established in media that the ingenues are in the wrong, and despite their youth and innocence, their mistakes are present, front and center, and it is obvious to all that they’re in the wrong. of course, it isn’t always black and white. ingenues have been coerced by outside forces, or they’ve had turbulent pasts that have caused them to not know any better, but it is generally understood that these things are explanations. not excuses.

when fans talk about their “smol soft beans”, there is generally an attitude of superiority when it comes to them. “no no, that’s my wittle cinnamon role, they could never be a bully/abuser! they’re so clearly innocent and sweet!” when that character has indeed said and done awful things to others repeatedly. “my smol soft bean is always the victim and everyone else is always mean to them!” when that character clearly is not always the victim and is being mistreated by other characters as a form of retaliation or breach of trust. oftentimes, the modern fandom’s perception of a character overrides the actual actions of the character in the canon and i will explain why that’s problematic in the next paragraph.

this worlds generation has a huge, giant, collective victim complex. but it’s only natural. that’s just what happens when people go on the internet and see all of these “smol soft beans” being protected and adored, and their mistakes are being ignored. everybody wants that. deep down, everybody wants their mistakes to be erased, and for only the very best parts of them to be on display at all times. so they infantilize themselves, trying to make themselves act and look sweet and innocent and cute, so that way, they can never admit to being wrong. it’s a very imitatable behavior. one that people can emulate easily. and people do.

by now, you all may be like “but ez, what does this have to do with patton?” well, everything. patton is generally seen as the “smol soft bean” archetype in the sanders sides fandom, even though he has done an array of terrible things. here are just a few:

- he regularly ignores and teases logan, endlessly taunting the one singular vocabulary mistake logan made because he thinks it’s funny to make logan look stupid when intelligence is his entire livelihood.

- he guilt trips roman relentlessly and coerced him into making a huge mistake (choosing the wedding), and then when they all faced the consequences of roman’s mistake, patton distanced himself from it, and pretended like it was all roman’s fault that it even happened.

- he was one of remus’ biggest haters, insisting constantly on pressing him down and pretending he doesn’t exist. while all the sides essentially were remus haters (except eventually logan), patton was clearly the most prominent one.

- he infantilized virgil, even when virgil told him he was uncomfortable. he gave a false apology that he didn’t actually act upon, and he made virgil feel small.

again, that’s only a few, but those are some of the biggest ones. oftentimes, the fandom just IGNORES that these things ever happened, or gloss over them, even though they’re some of the most important lessons in the entire sanders sides storyline. people refuse to acknowledge such important truths because they want patton to be a “smol soft bean who does no wrong and is so innocent”.

and patton kinnies tend to take it a whole new level because they’re seeing this character that is being infantilized and reduced to nothing but the sweetest little gumdrop and deciding “i want to be that.” so they say that they kin patton without accepting the mistakes he’s made, or his controlling and abusive tendencies. they want to distance themselves from his mistakes, but capitalize on his innocence, which is an unhealthy way to look at things.

everyone makes mistakes. everyone is in the wrong. nobody is perfectly innocent.

and that’s why i hate patton sanders, the fandom’s attitude towards patton sanders, and pretty much all patton kinnies (unless they’re open about the completeness of pattons character).

I specifically adore characters that have immediately apparent gaping flaws and love them exactly for what makes them trainwrecks. I could never in good conscience sit and pretend they never did anything wrong because the characters I often love are literal freaking nightmares, lmao. I really depise characters like Patton and narratives (both canon and non) that surround them where you are just expected to like them or make excuses for any harm they cause because come on, they're the fandom favorite. And they are so sweet and soft- they don't know what consequences are (and we certainly won't teach them)- stop being such a harsh meanie. *glares at a certain hero fandom*

It just makes for such uninteresting and frustrating characters. Characters like Patton are boring. Squeaky clean (he isn't) with no flaws and just a baby with zero personality outside of cutesy shit to be bounced around.

patton deserves to be called out way more than the other sides right now. he’s the instigator. he’s the one causing all the problems and people ignore that because “oh he’s morality he’s so sweet and innocent 🥺” like he’s literally the meanest side. he just hides it behind smiles and laughs and jokes.

patton does need to be taught many lessons and he reminds a lot of people of toxic people in their life. the modern bully isn’t aggressive and rude. the modern bully pretends to be your friend while stabbing your back at the same time and that’s exactly what patton is doing, even if he doesn’t realize it.

somethings gotta give, and i think it’s about time that the fandom calls him out and they should keep calling him out until his behavior actually changes because his selfishness and moral superiority complex is a detriment to thomas.

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1) patton is a good character but a terrible person. i love pattons character, but his actions to me are absolutely unforgivable. especially to roman. like hes guilt tripped roman, threw him under the bus multiple times, and continued to change his little “rules” and expectations for roman to the point where he cant keep up. its so obvious how desperate for pattons love roman is, and patton doesn’t even seem to care.

2) to add onto this, patton prioritizes new additions to the group and mistreats the people who have been at his side the longest. i have a whole other post about this so if anyone wants it i can send it.

3) in terms of who is more in the wrong between roman and janus, i would say janus is 75% in the wrong while roman is 25%. roman shouldn’t go off scott free, what he said about janus’ name wasnt okay, but janus has literally manipulated roman from the very beginning, since before he was even introduced. there’s a lot of baggage there. and janus said something that he knew would destroy roman while roman said something defensive and thoughtless. doesn’t make it okay, but its not nearly as intentional.

4) logan is nicer than patton. way nicer. and i think hes the most underrated character in the fandom.

5) honestly most of the sanders sides songs aren’t my cup of tea but the puppet one was really sweet. if only patton actually practiced what he preached.

6) to add onto number four, logan is the most selfless side with roman being a close second. i think logan shows a lot more morality than patton does and its a shame he doesn’t get appreciated for it.

i always make patton the villain in rps and stories and such because it makes so much sense based on his actions. i hate the narrative that everything patton does is okay because of his position as morality or his position as the dad.

people with “good people” labels can still be horrible, and im gonna write about it!!

AND THANK YOU FOR AGREEING WITH THE LOGAN ONE i feel so strongly about it-

it’s annoying that logan does so much and has improved so much and hes still labeled as “the emotionless one” while patton does less than the bare minimum and hes still “the nice one” like no. absolutely not.

1) patton is a good character but a terrible person. i love pattons character, but his actions to me are absolutely unforgivable. especially to roman. like hes guilt tripped roman, threw him under the bus multiple times, and continued to change his little “rules” and expectations for roman to the point where he cant keep up. its so obvious how desperate for pattons love roman is, and patton doesn’t even seem to care.

2) to add onto this, patton prioritizes new additions to the group and mistreats the people who have been at his side the longest. i have a whole other post about this so if anyone wants it i can send it.

3) in terms of who is more in the wrong between roman and janus, i would say janus is 75% in the wrong while roman is 25%. roman shouldn’t go off scott free, what he said about janus’ name wasnt okay, but janus has literally manipulated roman from the very beginning, since before he was even introduced. there’s a lot of baggage there. and janus said something that he knew would destroy roman while roman said something defensive and thoughtless. doesn’t make it okay, but its not nearly as intentional.

4) logan is nicer than patton. way nicer. and i think hes the most underrated character in the fandom.

5) honestly most of the sanders sides songs aren’t my cup of tea but the puppet one was really sweet. if only patton actually practiced what he preached.

6) to add onto number four, logan is the most selfless side with roman being a close second. i think logan shows a lot more morality than patton does and its a shame he doesn’t get appreciated for it.

light janus?

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Content warning: religion, homophobia (mentioned), southern politics (mentioned)

Virgil is to blame for Janus’s reputation, despite Janus and Virgil having the same purpose:

Keep Thomas safe.