POTC Trash

He would, at least if she were a baby.

While I do think he was, at least partially, joking about Will, I don't see him as someone with the desire to parent someone. And as such, a baby girl who won't remember his face isn't going to really be something he keeps.

From what I gather, he is.

But what a useless boy, right?🙄 (i am sarcastic here of course)

Six year-olds do dumb shit. Better question is why weren't you watching your son to make sure that didn't happen? I've watched kids that age. You don't need to hover, but you need to keep an eye on them.

The slavery thing is a bit more credible, depending on what led up to it. And in context makes sense to bring up("you couldn't escape, let me keep you safe so that/something similar doesn't happen again")

Jack sat there on the Barnacle's deck for what felt like a long while, but in truth it was at most a few short minutes. He sat there thinking about his options. The navy wasn't really after him, were they? Fitzwilliam had said it himself. They just wanted to use Jack in order to find Teague. It was the Keeper of the Code they wanted, not Jack. So why was Jack so worried?

He was worried because, despite running away from home, assembling a crew, and experiencing adventures upon the high seas, there was still one thing that mattered to him above all else. That was Teague. Jack and Teague may not have always seen eye-to-eye, but that didn't change the fact that they had a very close bond-they were family.

Because of this, Jack could not let himself sit idle while Teague battled, or tried to escape, the navy. He needed to take some sort of action. But he knew that Teague might not be very receptive. After all, Jack had left home in the middle of the night and stowed away on a merchant ship bound for the pirate town of Tortuga. No parent or guardian or person-who-might-be-your parent would accept that. Unless he was a pirate.

"Jackie," Teague called out from aboard his ship. The huge reddish boat dwarfed the Barnacle. A figurehead of a woman with a tail for legs decorated its bow, and along the ship's side was the name Misty Lady. Jack looked up. "What?"

"Maybe you've forgotten, but the navy is bringing up the rear. Mighty quick, too." "What on earth does that have to do with me?" Jack asked, wishing his face was still buried in his knees.

Teague raised an eyebrow and gave Jack a knowing glance. Jack knew exactly what that look meant. No matter where Jack tried to run to, no matter how hard he attempted to escape, he would be inextricably linked to Teague and his pirating ways forever.

"I'm not a pirate," Jack said evenly. "It won't matter much what you are if you're blown to bits by a cannon blast, will it?" Teague replied. His men were scurrying across the deck, readying their ship for battle. Jack stood up. The navy was merely a league or so away now. Jack had two options: he could sit in his boat and most likely be barreled over or blown apart by the navy, or he could hop aboard Teague's ship and only less likely be blown apart.

"What makes you think I'm not a match for the navy and their friends?" Jack asked.

Teague laughed quietly. Then he grabbed one of the pirates who was scurrying aboard his ship. The pirate wore a vest but no shirt, and Jack noticed that some of the many tattoos on his arms looked familiar. One of them was the same icon that adorned Teague's Jolly Roger-a skeleton holding a speared heart. The pirate ran his fingers through his spiky black hair as Teague whis pered something to him. Then he saluted Teague and rejoined the rest of the crew.

"Remember all those times I needed to step in and come to your rescue?" Teague asked.

"You speak as if you'd let me forget," Jack said.

"Well, this is another one of those times," Teague said.

This gives me the feeling that he's both being controlling/saying "You can't survive without me" but also a bit of love for Jack.

He wants Jack alive and does seem to care about him. He's just not doing it in the best way. Which, granted, he has a point here and were there not other behavior, I'd probably say he's not being manipulative. But I can't disregard other instances of manipulation and abuse.

Jack is linked to him and while technically not sailing under a pirate flag anymore, he'd still probably be killed either due to a stray shot, association with pirates, or even in the eyes of the law, being no better than a pirate/considered one anyway.

And bringing up other instances would be a way to say "You aren't as good as you think you are. Let me protect you so I can keep you alive."

Also I believe the audience is affecting it as well. A tpof Teague wouldn't be a proper image for 6 years old childern especially since his is not the villain of the story and a YJS Teague wouldn't be believable in an adult's book (considering the role he plays in tpof)

I agree that the audience would mean taming Teague's abusive behavior. Ironic, because POTC movies are PG-13 so I don't necessarily understand why you even needed to not make them for your target demographic for the movies when they obviously did well. Actually, it's Disney. I do know why.

Trying to manipulate Jack into going home, beating him for the Esmerelda thing(really? You're mad at your son for not telling you who beat his ass and then beat his ass?), and many instances of emotional abuse and/or neglect.

I wonder if he's kinder in tlobc because he doesn't have to raise Jack. Both from a control standpoint and a mental health standpoint, that's better for Teague. Teague no longer can just drag him home wit "I'm your dad/I say so" and stopped trying by the time the movies rolled around. In fact, it seems Jack hasn't seen him for years.

And from a mental health standpoint, Teague no longer has to worry about a child who has proven to need minding(his own fault, because Jack's response to trauma Teague caused seems to be latching onto people which is often what gets him into trouble in the first place)

Yes! And it explains OST disconnected version of Teague.

I definitely can see Teague saying that, but I see it as more lashing out because he was worried about his son.

I think AWE Teague is similar, but he actually offers advice and sort of respects Jack at the end. HOLY FUCK THAT'S WHY HE'S NICER IN OST! He finally had respect for Jack!

I think it's part of the fun, but I agree. You have to somehow make OST Teague make sense with AWE Teague(admittedly less difficult but still a bit) and TPoF Teague.

I can definitely see that. I do feel that in the first trilogy, it wasn't too hard to assume he was a horrible father(albeit what horrible means would be up to the viewer). It also showed he loved his son.

That's how I always saw Teague. He cares and will protect Jack(i believe he saved him in tpof among other books?) but abusive nonetheless.

«[...] Christophe didn’t have Jack’s knowledge of history. “Pizarro? Those Spaniards! Always losing their treasure,” he said, with an impatient wave. “What I’d like to lay my hands on would be the Treasure of Cortés.”

Jack managed not to roll his eyes. “You and every other buccaneer for the last hundred and fifty years,” he said. “Nobody knows what happened to it. Even Captain Ward didn’t record any legends concerning it.”

“Who is this Captain Ward?” Christophe asked. “And what treasures did he record?”

“I’m surprised no one has translated the book,” Jack said. “It was published in England about fifteen years ago. Sold very well, I gather. My Lyfe Amonge the Pyrates, by Capt. J. Ward. Teague gave me his copy to read when I was just a lad. In one of the chapters Captain Ward regales the reader with tales of treasures from all the pirates he encountered. Some of the legends go way back, hundreds, even a thousand or more years.”

“Sacre Dieu! I must find myself a copy of this book!” said Christophe. “Which is your favorite legend, mon ami?”

“Oh, I don’t know.” Jack mused for a moment, then brightened. “There’s the one about the island that sank beneath the waves because the streets were paved with gold. Or, wait? Am I mixing them up?” He ruminated for a moment. “Actually, it’s rather a nuisance when everything turns into all one thing. One time in New Orleans, I—” Jack stopped himself just in time. It didn’t pay to babble about magical adventures.»

We know that Jack loved to brag. He bragged to anyone –both friends and enemies– in the movies and in the books. He bragged to Barbossa, to Will, to Gibbs, to Norrington, to Beckett, to Davy Jones, to Teague, to Grandmama, to Fitzwilliam, to Arabella, to Esmeralda, to Ayisha etc but suddenly when it comes to Christophe he id like “nah, I should be humble”. How?? What did he do to him??

It may have been subconscious.

Jack isn’t stupid and he seems pretty good at picking up others’ emotions. Even if he didn’t consciously notice evidence that Christophe is horrible(or more horrible), he may still know it in the back of his mind.

Christophe is a scarier threat than these people. Jack is less experienced, alone, and not nearly as skilled as Christophe at most things.

And he’s a “friend.” Jack has nothing he can really do if he wanted to.

Jack shrugged. “Haven’t the faintest…oh. Yes. We were on the Lost Island of Kerma, making our way toward the giant gemstone of power. Figuratively speaking, of course,” he added absently, looking around for his chair.

Christophe nodded. “When you described it, I remembered. There’s something in the legend about how you have to have a talisman so you can open the entrance to the labyrinth, oui?”

Jack nodded, impressed. Christophe often tended to be a lot smarter—and more sober—than he let on. “That’s it, mate. What I couldn’t think of earlier. Talisman. A ring?” He scowled down at the rum bottle in his hand, cogitating, then absentmindedly righted his chair, sat down in it, and took a long pull from the bottle. He handed it to Christophe.

The rum proved a memory charm. Jack snapped his fingers. “No, not a ring. But round. A bracelet! That’s it. Yes, there’s a talisman in the shape of a bracelet. It’s got the kitty cat god’s head on it.”

“Bien! We shall go find this island! When shall we set sail, mon ami?” Jack opened his mouth to shout “Tomorrow!” but then shut it as memory struck. Teague! Of course it would be Teague who would spoil his plans! Jack scowled.

Captain Teague had mentioned a few days ago that he expected Jack to set sail with him, and that they’d be leaving in a week. Teague wanted to sail north to investigate the rumors of rogue pirates wreaking havoc on merchant ships of all countries, both in the Atlantic and the Pacific.

[...]

Heading for Africa with Christophe sounded like a much more interesting way to spend the next few months than sailing around aimlessly looking for ships sporting red demon flags. Jack sighed. “I’d love to, mate. But…” he turned his head to gaze out the open port, deliberately keeping his features from betraying his thoughts. His relationship with the Keeper of the Code was…complicated. On one hand, Jack Sparrow longed for nothing more than to be free of Teague and his orders forever. On the other hand, he wished that before he departed forever, he could, for once, gain the captain’s respect. “You really mean it? I can join your crew?”

“But of course!” Christophe assured him, and then upended the bottle to polish off the last of the rum. “No doubt there would be many ships we could take in between here and Afrique. Ivory, gold, black gold…Afrique is a rich hunting ground for the wolves of the sea.”»

This is part of Jack's first flashback. He doesn't believe in rogues yet, but Borya has already made his fleet. That means that Christophe is already a rogue. Christophe also knows about Jack's relationship with Teague and hebis aware that Jack “is soft” (as he states later) and he doesn't want to break the Code. Why was he planning to take him aboard? Was this an attempt to use him as a leverage against Teague? Try to make him a rogue, perhaps, hoping that he will betray the Brethren Court and will reveal any “secrets” regarding the Keeper? When they would “take ships between there and Afrique” and he would reveal to Jack that he is a rogue, what he was planning to do next if Jack disapproved? Keep him hostage? Kill him?

I imagine it may have been a combination of things. Teague giving a damn about Jack(no matter how horrible he is towards him) means the boy could be a chance at escape if he gets caught with. Or perhaps even a jab. If he convinced Jack to go along with him and become a rogue, Teague’s own son is a traitor. That’ll sting. And free secrets would be a bonus.

If Jack disapproved of anything, I imagine at first he’d try a number of manipulation tactics. Such as “I’m here for you, he wasn’t” or even “I’m your friend. Trust me.” If that failed, he’d probably keep him captive.