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If someone knows about the Greg LakeāRobert Fripp lore, PLEASE tell me about it. I think it's one of the most interesting and weird relationships in prog rock, and I haven't found much info (I don't know if it's because I don't know how to look for it or because there isnāt much). Did they get along really badly, or what the hell happened, where can I find info?
I only know a few anecdotes. I'll link sources where I can! Some of them are just silly, others have more implications about their dynamic.
Greg was the one who suggested that Robert should base his stage persona off of Paganini (source)
One time Fripp waited at the top of a staircase, dressed as Jack the Ripper, for God knows how long just to scare Greg Lake (source)
Greg helped Robert (an "inept puller"... Fripp's words, not mine) hook up with two women... and one of which gave him gonorrhea (source)
The whole Greg and Robert limo situation is a little too confusing for me to paraphrase, but here's a quote from Greg about it.
I've got a gist of what went on between the two, but this is just me half remembering stuff to take it with a grain of salt lol. The two both had the game guitar teacher, and seemed to be close...ish. Greg described them as being like brothers, and honestly I think that's the best way to describe their dynamic. The two had really conflicting personalities (Greg was reckless and insensitive, Fripp was a control freak and, despite his stoic facade, extremely self-conscious). I wouldn't be shocked if being in close proximity with personalities seemingly made to piss each other off would eventually bred contempt.
Anyways, away from my speculating and back to what I know to be true... near the tail end of 1969, Ian McDonald and Michael Giles left King Crimson. Greg began talking with Keith about forming ELP, but offered to stay for In The Wake of Poseidon while Fripp found a musician to replace him. I'm pretty sure the recording of Wake was the last time Greg and Robert saw each other (until the limo incident...), because Gordon Haskell was brought on to perform the Wake material live.
Now... the limo incident. Greg and Robert tell conflicting stories. I know who I trust more, but I'll leave it to you to use your discretion. Basically, ELP and KC were both playing in NY at the same time. They went to get dinner together, and afterwards the two got into Greg's limo to drop Fripp back off at his hotel. And then, to quote Greg Lake...
So we went off in the limo and weāre going down the road and I said to him āYou know Robert, one day we ought to get our guitars out and play together again. Itās been so long since we did that.ā And he said āI donāt think so.ā
This is where the stories diverge. Greg says he had his driver stop the limo and he kicked Robert to the curb. Fripp says the conversation happened when the limo was already at his hotel, so no stopping or kicking-out of any sort occurred. Regardless of who's side you give more weight to, we know that this is the last time Greg and Robert every spoke to each other.
@junecast-moonfast Thank you so much for taking the time to make this epic post!! This was EDUCATION for me and it helped me āfinish the puzzleā on some things lol. I had read about the limo incident but I saw so many different versions that I was already doubting it
i don't usually add on to things like this, but it is very much worth noting that this was not the last time they ever spoke to each other. in fact, there's photos of them together from the late 90s, and supposedly there's a photo of them together right before greg passed away which i haven't seen
this photo is dated april 1997, right around the release of the epitaph box set
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Neil Peart: You may be asking yourself just WHAT puts him at the top of the list? Glad you asked. First of all, the man was INSANELY physical: hiking mountains, cross-country skiing, rowing⦠and thatās without going into the 3 hour Rush sets every night. He once biked 93 miles (~150 km) in between gigs and then played a full concert that night. He got stranded in the Canadian tundra, with his 600lbs (272 kg) motorcycle tipped over on its side AND with and injured foot, and managed to pick it up. By himself. He was 47 at the time. On top of that, he almost fought a Yakuza boss for hitting his partner/gf/prostitute in front of him. The man is INSANELY strong. On top of that, heās also 6ā4. It doesnāt even matter that heās not the most coordinated, because if he manages to get even a single hit on you, youāre fucked. Good luck even fighting back because his pain tolerance is also ridiculousā he gave himself basically trench foot from riding his motorcycle in the rain, and would still play Rush concerts every fucking night. The ONLY thing you have to your advantage is that he wonāt play dirty. He doesnāt need to. Youāre basically, completely fucked.
Greg Lake: Heās a heavyweight boxer. He had a run in with the mob. Heās probably fought a few pimps too when he refused to pay for sex work. Heās broad-shouldered, allegedly 6ft (although thatās debatable), and quite literally shaped like a wrecking ball. He also would NOT hold back in a fight. Heād play dirty. Youād likely not survive.
Carl Palmer: Black belt in karate. The P in ELP. Heās not tall, but heās SHREDDED, fast, and would hold no mercy. He survived two of the most toxic bands of all time (ELP and Asia). He trained specifically to get in between Keith and Greg. He could probably take you down faster than you can say āBrain Salad Surgeryā. Good fucking luck.
Bill Bruford: The man is filled with RAGE. Heās a drummer. Physically fit. 6 foot. He punched Chris Squire and gave him a black eye when he was in Yes. He could kill a man if you pushed him far enough. Heās a little more chilled out these days, but even TO THIS DAY I would not risk fucking with Bill. Heās only at the bottom of the S Tier because heās not a trained fighter, nor does he have Neilāsā¦.. everything. I guess.
A TIER (This Is Gonna Hurt):
Eddie Offord: You may be wondering what heās doing on this list. You should ask the pigeon that he caught outside in a frying pan, and then proceeded to try and cook in Yesās studio, which led to him being fired from Drama. Or maybe, when asked about the difference between working for Yes and working for ELP, simply stated that ELP had better drugs. Or perhaps that heās enough of a character to have had the last song on Tarkus dedicated to him. This is a dangerous man. The sound engineers are always the ones you have to watch out for. He made Yes vegetarian. What else is he capable of?
Ian Anderson: I donāt know much about him admittedly, but he seems like the type to be a GREAT fighter. I think heās taller than average, a bit of a jock, and I know heās an outdoorsman, so he could also kick your ass in the woods. Finally, he owned a salmon farm. Who does that. The man is not normal and I would BEWARE. He seems to have the strength, wit, and insanity to kick your ass.
Alex Lifeson: Not as strong as Neil, but heās crazier. He fought a cop for his son and got arrested for it. Heād go for the ear or something. Heās also no slouch himselfā also fairly tall (like 6ā1 or so at his peak), probably could land a solid hit. Youāre COOKED if you managed to get on his bad side.
Trevor Rabin: Not really a fighter, but heās 6ā3, a health nut, and in relatively good shape. Also younger than most of the others on this list. Finally, if you managed to piss him off bad enough to fight, you deserve whateverās coming to you because that is NOT easy to do.
Alan White: Drummer, so obvious bonus points there. Similar point to Trevor Rabinā if you managed to MAKE HIM FIGHT, you REALLY fucked up. He would hit first, and itād come out of nowhere, too.
Tony Levin: This man is the epitome of chill. However, Iāve seen those biceps. Iāve seen those funk fingers. The shiny bald head. He would not fuck around if it came down to it. And if you pushed him that farā¦.. good luck.
Jamie Muir: Does not want to fight, but if he had toā¦. Watch out.
Rick Wakeman: Heās a BIG dude. 6ā3 and broad. Used to carry Jon Anderson around in the 70s. Probably could fuck someone upā¦. If he cared enough. Fortunately for most people, heās kinda lazy and apathetic to the whole āfist fightā thing, but honestly if you pissed him off bad enough heād probably just toss you over his shoulder and lock you in a closet.
B TIER (50/50):
John Wetton: Fairly decent build, only average height though. Fighting ability also massively depends on how drunk he is. Too drunk and he canāt fight, not drunk enough and he wonāt fight. He needs to be in that sweet spot of 4-6 beers deep. Then, heās unstoppableā mostly because of the hits he can take, not necessarily dish out.
Peter Hammill: On the surface, heās gangly and scrawny. However, Van der Graaf Generator is the band that invented a sport called ādeathballā and managed to get a head injury from a heated chess game. Who knows what heās actually capable in a life or death situation? I donāt want to find out.
Jon Anderson: Surprisingly in B tier because he can beā¦.. Jon. Heās also a homegrown farmboy, and played soccer, so heās tougher than his diminutive stature might suggest. He has to be, if he managed to boss around the rest of Yes.
Robert Fripp: He looks intimidating, but if you can get past that, heās literally just a nerd. However, he would commit psychological warfare to get you to back off before resorting to physical violence. His mind is the real danger. His body? Not so much, but Iām sure he can handle himself. And if he canāt, heāll just sic Bill Bruford on you.
Phil Collins: Literally the only member of Genesis that can remotely fight. Even then, heās still at a massive height disadvantage. However, he doesnāt have a lot of hair to grab AND heās a drummer, which always adds points. Could probably put up a decent challenge.
Keith Emerson: Heavily depends on when. Late 60s/Early 70s Keith? Yeah, you could probably kick his ass. The only thing he really had to his advantage would be pure cocaine-fueled survival instinct, but even then he is a TINY man. Both height and weight. If itās like 90s Keith, heās more well-builtā¦. But heās also off the coke, so less prone to doing literally anything to survive. More predictable. Heās a real gamble regardless.
Steve Hackett: Fighting is probably a last resort for him. His heart isnāt in it. He could hold his own, but he really doesnāt want to. You could probably beat him, but heās not pathetically bad.
C TIER (You Could Shove Them In A Locker):
Mike Rutherford: Tall and gangly, which gives him a bit of an advantage, and does polo butā¦. Heās also really, really high most of the time. He probably would say: āwoahhh howād I end up in this locker, maaaan?ā
Geddy Lee: Used to actually get shoved in lockers in high school. No joke. Depending on the time period, he could and would fight back, but he probably wouldnāt win. However, the risk with beating him up is that the other 2/3rds of Rush WILL jump your ass for it. You do not want that. You will die.
Geoff Downes: Might be able to fight back a little, especially if heās coked up, but he really deserves to be shoved in that locker. Really, really deserves it.
Tony Banks: Heās too much of a pussy to even fight. It would mess up his hair. Heād literally just run away as fast as he could. If you manage to catch him, you could absolutely shove him in a locker.
Peter Sinfield: He would be lower than Steve Howe but the only concern with beating up Peter Sinfield is pissing off Greg Lake for bullying his favorite twink. You do not want to piss off Greg Lake.
Steve Howe: If you canāt win against Steve Howe, Iāve lost all respect for you. A toddler could do it. He might try to bite you, but the moment you do more than twist his arm, heāll start screaming and begging for mercy.
David Cross: THEEEEEE ultimate violin twink (well. Him and Eddie Jobson). Would cry just from Robert Fripp threatening to shove him in a locker.
F TIER (You COULD But Why?):
Chris Squire: You might think that because of his height, he could probably kick your ass. He could not. That man is a chronic chainsmoker and has had a myriad of health issues. Alsoā¦. Why? Heās just a jolly fellow that would probably ask you to join Yes just for being nice to him.
Peter Gabriel: He already looks like a kicked puppy. Let him put on his silly costumes and talk about saving the world. Leave him ALOOOONE.
Adrian Belew: Itās only talk. Could he even fight back (no).
Trevor Horn: The only person that could possibly hate him is Geoff Downes. And Geoff Downes is an evil bastard man. Might yell at you in the studio but look at his big bug-eyed glasses and tell me that man is a legitimate threat.
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