You seem to have a pretty good grasp on Katara's characterization and wanted to know if you have any thoughts on why Katara cries in the Runaway? Specifically when Sokka confesses that he sort of relies on Katara's "maternal nature" to Toph, while Toph cosigns. I feel like the answer should be obvious but the previous episodes don't portray her as having some type of complex about it, which got me thinking about what the angle there was. Even with more contex given in the jail cell between her and Toph, without watching every episode before this one I imagine the average viewer would think she may have been bullied or ostracized because of her needing to mature faster and her personality being altered as a result? But she's quite evidently the oldest girl in the village and likely had no peers to push her into any designated outgroup so what gives?
Also it's a bit off topic but I'm a bit curious on your opinions on Zuko likening the disappearance of his mother to the explicit death of Katara's mother. I knkw you spoke on this a while ago while talking about TSR, pointing out how he does a lot of projecting in that episode, but I've always just chalked that up to him just generally being self centered when he's around women so it's really just a knee jerk reaction (I am being so serious I don't recall him ever making an effort in acknowledging the inner world of the girls he meets in the show at least in the way he eventually does for boys.) Please feel free to respond to this privately too if it's an ask you don't feel like replying to on your page :)
I’ll answer your ask in two parts, since each paragraph is distinct in character:
1. firstly, I think the assumptions you’re making as to the “obvious” reasons for katara’s weeping rely on premises that aren’t actually established in the text, while ignoring the more overt (sub)textual cues here. something really crucial I think most people dismiss when discussing katara’s characterization in “the runaway” is that the reason she disapproves of toph’s scams isn’t actually because she’s more mature and rational and level-headed than the rest of the group; it’s because toph excluded her, and aang and sokka let her. she masks her hurt with disapproval over their schemes because that’s a normal human instinct to feeling left out: “it’s fine that you didn’t invite me; I didn’t want to come anyway, and in fact, I’m actually better than you for staying home, even though you didn’t actually give me a choice in the matter.” katara is a fourteen year old girl and a well-written character. the episode never explicitly spells out that she’s mad at toph for this reason, but it shouldn’t have to.
we know from prior episodes that scamming jerks is the kind of thing katara would find righteous and thrilling (she and toph literally once drowned three girls in a river for mocking their makeup, lest we forget). she loves getting into all sorts of dangerous shenanigans! we know from later in the episode that her idea of making up with toph isn’t talking things out, but rather, trying to include herself in the fun. the thing is, while toph did knowingly exclude katara from their scams, i don’t think it was deliberate, at least not at first. she didn’t actually go into town with the plan to outcheat that street scammer; it just sort of happened. but when your only friends go out for groceries and come back bonded over a delightful experience you didn’t take part in, it’s instinctual to get defensive.
when katara feels hurt, her first instinct is to lash out, get hostile. she often gets angry and positions herself as morally superior, even when she’s not actually in the right. a lot of people who don’t understand katara don’t seem to understand that just because katara is frequently displaying righteous anger doesn’t mean she’s actually always right. unfortunately, a lot of people who don’t like katara do seem to understand this, but they draw conclusions regarding her flaws that I simply do not agree with (such as, that they make her unlikable, unsympathetic, or a bad character; when in fact, they make her more likable, more sympathetic, and the best character ever). in this instance, katara’s hurt over being excluded is completely understandable, and she is correct that their behavior is imprudent, but that’s not actually why she’s admonishing them, and if it was, she’d be a massive hypocrite, because as we’ve already established, that’s exactly the kind of rash behavior she is constantly initiating.
moreover, katara’s clash with toph in “the chase” is similarly not a matter of katara being mature and maternal while toph is an irresponsible slacker. katara may act morally outraged by toph’s behavior, and therefore in her mind she is justified to scream at her and mock her blindness and such, but really, katara is the one being unreasonable and petulant and failing to understand toph’s side of things. while toph was in the wrong in “the runaway” for excluding katara from her fun (but not for pulling those scams, she’s awesome for that), katara is in the wrong in “the chase,” which is even explicitly stated in the text when sokka (acting as audience surrogate) tells her that she was being a jerk. which she was! and generally speaking, katara is not more mature than toph. they both possess mature and immature qualities—and toph is mature, wise, emotionally sensitive, thoughtful, and nuanced in her worldview in ways katara, with her stringent black and white dogmatic thinking, often lacks.
when toph mocks katara for being motherly, it’s not because she thinks katara acts too adult for her age; it’s because she thinks katara is too prissy and feminine. toph wants to be “one of the boys,” and so she excludes katara from their initial excursion because she is deliberately aligning herself with sokka and aang—the lads, if you will— instead of madame fussybritches, who thinks toph needs to spend less time rolling around in the dirt and more time at the fancy lady day spa, just like her stupid mom. for the record, toph’s internalized misogyny is one of her immature qualities, but it also stems from a genuine fear of having the kind of restrictive femininity her mother performs imposed on her. she associates femininity with lack of freedom, autonomy, authenticity, and fun because the femininity imposed on her by patriarchy growing up was characterized in this way. she’s wrong to project that onto katara, who values freedom, autonomy, authenticity, and fun just as much if not more than she values her own femininity, but for a kid who was raised in the stifling, ableist conditions she was, I can’t help but sympathize with her reasoning, as misguided as it is in this instance.
when toph says that katara sees the real her and supports her unlike her parents, she’s thus acknowledging that aligning katara with her oppressive parents (and in particularly, her restrictive, hyper-feminine mother) is unfair to her. just because katara is feminine, does not mean that she adheres to the values of poppy beifong (she actually couldn’t be more different from poppy beifong in every single one of her values), and she’s acknowledging what sokka is telling her, that projecting her own baggage with her mother onto katara is especially hurtful because it’s insensitive towards katara’s baggage with her mother. toph doesn’t actually know that, though, which is why sokka tells her katara’s side of things. because he knows that once he does tell her, she’s the kind of person who is mature and thoughtful enough to understand the sentiment he is communicating, realize she’s gone too far in their pointless beef, and want to make amends.
and for the record, sokka isn’t saying he relies on katara’s maternal nature. it’s certainly an extrapolation one could make from his monologue, but it’s not actually what he says. he calls her a pain, says she’s been annoying him her whole life, she always needs to be right about everything, but also, he acknowledges that her constant presence throughout their lives is something he relies on, because she’s always been there. he says she took on so much responsibility and had so much strength after kya died. he says that he can no longer picture his mother’s face, and when he tries to, he sees katara’s instead. it’s easy to thus assume that sokka is explicitly saying that in his mind, katara has replaced his mother, that he sees her as his mom ever since their mother died. but he doesn’t. not really.
he’s communicating something rather dark and unsettling here, but it’s not that his younger sister has been made into his surrogate mother. if he felt that way, certainly there would be even a single scene in the show that demonstrates that sokka thinks of her as a maternal figure in any way. but he primarily treats her as a reckless, overbold, impulsive, naive child who refuses to listen to reason. considering he hero-worships his dad and implicitly agrees with everything his grandmother says, I doubt that’s how he treated his mother when she was alive! no, he’s not saying “katara is just like kya and we have some kind of twisted mother-son dynamic,” because they don’t, and she’s not! katara is a kid, and she acts like a kid, and sokka is more aware of this fact than anyone. he often wishes she’d “grow up,” which, at least in his estimation, means being less trusting towards con-artists preying on her open and trusting nature, and suchlike. he does rely on her, but it’s not so much that he needs or even wants her to take care of him the way kya did, but rather, that without her, he would have no reason to exist.
of course, this notion is really only true in sokka’s mind. katara sees sokka as a whole, individual person, as does everyone else who loves him. sokka, however, does not, cannot. sokka defines his existence in relation to [protecting and providing for] others, primarily katara. hakoda ordained as much before he left for war (however inadvertently). “the southern raiders” depicts sokka with his hair down more than any other episode in the show, and it’s also the only episode where kya’s face is depicted—the symbolic language being communicated feels pretty overt. for an acknowledged genius with a practically photographic memory, sokka not being able to remember his mother’s face is not an indicator of carelessness, lack of love or grief, or forgetfulness: it is a deliberate repression. kya’s face—his own face—has been erased from his mind, and katara replaces it.
when katara replaces gyatso in the vision wherein aang is confronting his grief, the implication there isn’t that she and gyatso have the same relationship with aang, but that his grief over the loved ones he’s lost can take the form of new love, and that new love renews his sense of purpose as a human being. when katara replaces kya’s face in sokka’s mind’s eye, it is his love for her instilling him with a sense of purpose after the crushing grief and depression he experienced upon kya’s death. but, of course, there is also the added symbolic layer that his own face (his selfhood) has been negated this process. sokka is, at the very least, passively suicidal. katara’s love for her family gave him a reason to keep living at the lowest point in his life. their mother, whose face he inherited, died to protect katara. katara is the person he loves the most. his purpose in life is to protect her. her continued existence gives him a reason to live. her continued existence is why he has vowed to die. for her.
so. well. personally, I think that’s much more compelling than mischaracterizing their entire dynamic for the sake of simplicity. it complicates their codependency in a way “katara is my mom maybe????” simply doesn’t. “is my sister my mom????” is trite, boring, played out, passé (I say this as someone who raised her brother. snooze!). “is my sister’s existence my primary raison d’être and my destiny is to die for her the way our mother did so my personhood must be erased in service of being her protector???” well. NOW we’re fucking talking, baby!!!
which is all to say, the reason katara cries upon hearing this conversation is actually very simple: this is the first time she’s ever heard sokka talk about any of this. this is the closest katara has ever gotten to hearing sokka express his feelings on their formative grief that defined their lives, and he’s not even saying it to her. he’s saying it to toph. he would die for her but he would also rather die than have an actual conversation with her.
katara is someone who cries easily: she cries when she’s frustrated, she cries when she’s angry, she cries when she’s happy, she cries when she’s relieved, and of course, she cries when she’s sad. so why wouldn’t she cry upon hearing her infuriatingly closed-off brother actually admit that their mother’s death devastated him, that it was the hardest time in his life, that katara’s inner strength and constant presence got him through that darkness, that he needs her and couldn’t live without her, that his grief over losing his mother was only manageable because her presence and their love for each other guided him through it and gave him a sense of purpose beyond his own suffering? why wouldn’t katara cry upon hearing her friend who excluded her from her fun admit that she was projecting and she actually feels incredibly grateful for katara’s friendship? why wouldn’t she cry knowing that sokka and toph are confiding in each other in a way they never would with her (toph literally threatens sokka never to tell katara any of what she said), and not only that, but talking about her so lovingly and kindly, in a way they rarely do to her face?? it’s a lot to take in. wouldn’t you be emotionally overwhelmed by such a revelation??
katara is a very emotionally honest and sensitive person, and her easily accessible depth of feeling frequently engenders her volatile passions, often leading to outbursts, tirades, impulsive choices. but here, she lacks an audience. she cannot reveal herself, even if her eavesdropping was merely accidental. her reaction can only be that of subdued tears.
2. as for zuko, I completely agree with your point that he never once considers the inner lives of women and girls, and I have enumerated in the past that he truly is an incorrigible misogynist. his disrespect for katara does, in part, stem from his disrespect towards all girls, and his refusal to actually entertain her point of view because of that. ironically, the traits which he finds offputting in her—her brashness, her impetuousness, her loud and unabashed anger—are traits which define him far more than her. but it’s fine when men are angry of course. zuko has valid reasons to angry, of course. never mind that he invaded her home, tracked her across the world, tied her to a tree and extorted her, shot fire at her countless times, captured her best friend and the last hope for humanity, and was directly responsible for his near-death (which would have been permanent had she not had the good fortune of saving her spirit water for a better cause out of sheer luck), and emotionally manipulated her (even if that wasn’t his intention) by relating to her over her mother’s death—that waterbender is just being a hysterical little girl.
so yes, he is behaving in a self-centered manner in “the southern raiders.” he isn’t sacrificing himself to aid her the way he does with sokka at the boiling rock, and he’s not even making himself materially useful to her the way her does as aang’s firebending instructor when they go to visit the sun warriors. his plan to earn back her trust stems from his misguided notion that the reason katara resents him is because she’s conflating her mother’s death with her anger towards him, as if he doesn’t have myriad crimes to atone for that he himself actually committed. yes, she does bring up her mother’s death as one of his sins, but it’s not because she thinks he personally killed kya, it’s because he identified that commonality between them and got her to sympathize with him, and now she’s not only furious at him but also at herself for falling for his display of vulnerability in a moment where trusting him cost her everything. moreover, he had previously taunted her with her mother’s necklace, which is an incredibly important heirloom to her. no, zuko did not directly murder kya, but he does have a track record of exploiting her grief over her death, and she is right to resent him for it.
anyway. zuko understands exactly none of this, because he is an obtuse, misogynistic, myopic teenage boy, and so his brilliant plan for winning back her trust is essentially the equivalent of when a cat brings dead vermin into your bed, except the vermin is intel regarding the whereabouts of her mother’s killer. fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on whom you’re asking), this plan actually does work out really well for him, because zuko’s (lack of) strategy of just doing for/to katara whatever he thinks is best succeeds due to the fact that zuko and katara are too similar for their own good, and so he actually provides her with the opportunity for the vengeance quest she’s clearly been itching to enact since childhood. by complete accident, zuko did actually happen to understand katara’s desires (unlike sokka and aang, who are just so rational and mellow, ugh! gross!! disgusting!!!!) but only because he desires the exact same thing.
so yes, he is projecting. like katara, his mother sacrificed herself to save him (and I will forever maintain that she died for real and the comics are utter bullshit . because otherwise what was the fucking point of that) and he feels this confluence of guilt and grief and rage over losing his favorite person in the world to a violent, egotistical man who only wanted power. he can actually empathize with katara over this tragedy, even if the motives and conditions behind them differed in various ways. and it’s that sincerity, that commonality, that emotional volatility and earnestness and depth of feeling, that shared catharsis, that bonds them. it doesn’t matter that zuko is wrong and that katara is right. in that moment when they confront yon rha, they understand each other perfectly. and it’s that instance of true empathy which lays the foundation for their genuinely caring and profound friendship going forward.
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This is a strange and midguided argument. Of course Marx sought to usher in a better world!
Now, it's true that Marx insists repeatedly that he does not preach morality, but that's a methodological commitment, not one of aims. Marx makes this clear in The German Ideology. In it, he criticizes the Left Hegelians for seeking to change the world merely by changing people's ideas of it:
[They] consider conceptions, thoughts, ideas … as the real chains of men [...] [they] take it to be evident that [they] have to fight only against these illusions of consciousness
Marx rejects this. As a materialist, he argues that there can only be change by addressing the underlying material conditions, and condemns these attempts to change the world by merely switching on a new philosophical lens to be pointless idealism:
The Young-Hegelian ideologists, in spite of their allegedly ‘world-shattering’ phrases, are the staunchest conservatives … they are in no way combating the real existing world when they are combating solely the phrases of this world
But Marx absolutely does think that there is a real existing world that is worth combating, only not by way of idealism. This is why he insists on not preaching morality: because it is pointless to tell people not to be egoists, when egoism is the product and expression of the underlying social relations. So Marx instead unabashedly promote the self-interest of one specific social class, the proletariat.
Does this mean that Marx does not care about "the poors", about what benefits "everyone"? No, of course not. Once again that is misguided. Marx militate against the oppression of the worker by the capitalist rather than that of the peasant by the aristocrat not because he does not care about the latter but because only the former can bring about the end of all oppression, the classless society. The proleteriat for Marx has a special role in history because contrary to all previous expressions of class struggle, it has the potential to end class struggle altogether.
As soon as there is no longer any social class to be held in subjection; as soon as class rule, and the individual struggle for existence based upon our present anarchy of production, with the collisions and excesses arising from these, are removed, nothing more remains to be repressed, and a special repressive force, a state, is no longer necessary … State interference in social relations becomes, in one domain after another, superfluous, and then withers away of itself; the government of persons is replaced by the administration of things.
For Marx, it is absolutely not incidental that workers "can convincingly pitch benefits for everyone". It's what make them special, what makes their cause more worth supporting than any other.
I'd actually love to put lifepaths in my RPG, but the problem is that part is super boring to me, from a writing perspective. Like, there's a category of character trait called Advantages, right, which tie to backstory. I have been stumped on writing these for literally years because they're not fun to write - at the most basic, they're a description of an education or life experience and a package of tagged skills where you're better at them in your specific context. Like the Knowledge Advantage - Orthodox Education, which makes you better at Medicine, Academics, and Performance because you were taught some basic healing, literacy and theology, and how to give a sermon. Finding these dull to write might be a case for reworking them but it just sucks ot think of churning out a few dozen character agnostic ones - they're fun to write for pre-gens.
I've got a stack of pre-written scenarios with defined pre-gens though, and they're all written as the jumping-off point for campaigns where the initial story transforms the character in some way, from "you survived this traumatic event that made your hometown alien to you" to "did you accept the power the Thing of Darkest Antiquity offered to kill the tyrannical nobleman or are you a regular fugitive? Because no one was getting out of that situation without taking an axe to that guy."
That latter one worked so incredibly well at a convention it gave me an idea for sequels and a novel.
hmm, yeah, i think in this case you have to ask 'what are you trying to get out of lifepaths' ? because if they're just small bonuses tied to anodyne biographical facts, i think it's clear that they'd be boring, right?
in my opinion, depending on what serves your game best, you have a few options:
just make them Bigger
you mention writing 'character-agnostic' ones, and i feel like that kind of defeats the point of lifepaths, right? the purpose should be to Produce a very specific life story. i always like random character creation tables more when it feels like you can be pushed in wild and strange directions you wouldn't have considered. for example, here's a few of the random Quirks you can roll in my cape game underside:
these were a blast to write because i tried to make as many of them--while still offering a lot of laterality to players who roll them to decide on the details or what they mean--big, weird swings that people might not necessarily make on their own.
2. make them interconnected
but maybe that's not the tone of your game, you're doing mundane modern day or low fantasy. that's cool--if you want to keep them small and mundane, just having them flow into each other would do a lot, i reckon. for example, the 'orthodox education' you give is pretty boring! but if you set the system up so that someone can go through lifepaths and have their character go from 'orthodox education' to 'sellsword', or vice versa, then suddenly you've opened up a well of intrigue for someone to sculpt a backstory around.
3. plug them in
a small 'ribbon' aspect to a lifepath that gives the PC ties to the world can go a long way. like, one big problem with the example you gave is that it basically never comes up after character creation. but if you add, for example, "alumni of the place you were taught are positively disposed towards you", or "you can always get room and board from a rich family by teaching their children", even though the numreical skill buffs will eclipse those boons in relevancy, the player who rolls this will suddenly have a way to engage with the world through this perk, constantly on the look out for other educated people, or rich families with children, or their old professor, and so on.
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Oh, this is very cool! This is a very clear example of Turing patterning, a class of patterns that can be produced by the diffusion and reaction of two chemicals. This is why the pattern isn't symmetrical: the final pattern depends on the initial concentration of chemicals across the body, and even tiny differences create completely different patterns.
Turing patterning is very common in nature! It's responsible for fingerprints and Zebra stripes for instance. It was discovered by Alan Turing, better known for founding computer science and having been chemically castrated by the British state
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“From the 18th century, and perhaps even earlier, hollow eggs on which sacred texts had been written in micrography were used to decorate European sukkahs. Not all the texts related directly to the holiday of Sukkot, the Festival of Booths: this example has Song of Songs 1-4:7 inscribed in minuscule letters. At times feathers were added to the hanging egg, so that it looked like a bird in flight."
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I have read your manifesto. I profoundly disagree with it.
To be clear: the desired end state you describe, a genuinely multinational Israel where being Israeli Jewish and being Israeli Arab are co-equal, where neither identity is subordinate to the other, is actually not that far from what I'd want too. The problem is that your theoretical framework is idealist in precisely the places where it needs to be materialist, applies its own principles asymmetrically, and proposes a transitional vehicle (the Jewish national liberation state) that is structurally incompatible with where you claim to be going.
Starting with the indigeneity framework, which is the root of my disagreement. You construct a three-part definition: precolonial autochthonous ethnogenesis with unbroken cultural continuity, intimate historic attachment to the land expressed in both base and superstructure, and subjection to colonialism.
But here's where it goes wrong. Your framework functions in the actual argument to justify a concrete present-day power relation — Israeli military and political dominance over Palestinians — by reframing that dominance as decolonization. The material effect of your framework is to consistently directs analytical attention away from the observable facts of Palestinian dispossession and toward a supposed inherent Jewish cultural entitlement to the land. That is idealism, not materialism. You make the concrete domination of one people by another analytically secondary to a theory of cultural inheritance. Palestinian Arabs were the demographic majority in historic Palestine before the establishment of the Israeli state, were farming the land, building towns, developing an economy across generations of continuous habitation. Under a materialist analysis, this constitutes a profound and concrete relationship to the land. You manage to subordinate all of this to Jewish cultural memory of ancient connection. Palestinians appear in the argument primarily as a problem to be managed; their identity described as colonial in origin; their national movement as the "primary external threat" to Israel. The indigene-as-subject whose liberation the manifesto claims to champion turns out, when it comes to the Arabs actually living on the land, to be at best an afterthought and at worst an obstacle.
You invoke Fanon in justification, but Fanon wrote from the perspective of the colonized resisting an external imperial power. The structural position of Jewish Israelis in relation to Palestinians is not that position. You cannot coherently deploy Fanon's framework of indigenous liberation while administering a military occupation in which the people under occupation lack basic rights. You acknowledge the occupation is wrong, but treats this as a deviation from true Zionism rather than as a structural consequence of the national liberation project itself. This does no analytical work, except insulating the theory from its own empirical consequences.
Moving to the class analysis. You identify that colonialism functions as a mechanism of class collaboration, extracting value from indigenous land and labor to improve the material conditions of the colonial class and soften revolutionary motivation in the proletariat. Bhut you don’t follow this analysis to its necessary conclusion in the Israeli context. The Israeli Jewish working class functions as a permanent labor aristocracy, enforced through the legal and military architecture of the state itself. The Law of Return, preferential land administration, differential military obligations, housing policy, labor market segmentation: all of these structurally elevate Jewish workers relative to Arab workers not as an incidental feature but as a constitutive one. This means the Jewish working class cannot become a class-for-itself in the Marxist sense without first dismantling the very structure that materially advantages it. Which is an extraordinarily difficult revolutionary ask, because it requires workers to act against their immediate perceived material interests.
More than that: the Israeli Jewish worker benefits from the colonial structure even when exploited by capital. Their relative privilege over Arab workers is real and material, which means genuine proletarian solidarity across the Jewish-Arab divide requires Jewish workers to accept a material leveling, not just an ideological reorientation. Classical Leninist national liberation theory partly sidesteps this problem because the metropole is external — French workers don't lose jobs or housing when Algeria is liberated. Here the metropole is internal. The privilege of Jewish workers is directly constituted by Arab dispossession, so decolonization isn't just a political transformation, it's a zero-sum redistribution within the same labor market. You never seriously grapple with what would motivate Jewish workers to support this, beyond essentially correct theoretical persuasion. That's idealism.
Which brings me to the national question and the "Zionism until full communism" formulation. You draw on the tradition of national self-determination as a transitional stage toward internationalism: you cannot build genuine proletarian solidarity across national lines while one nation is subjugated by another. Agreed. But its application here has a structural problem : the Leninist national liberation framework was developed for colonized peoples resisting an external imperial power. The Zionist case involves a national liberation project that itself displaced another population. This isn't a minor complication. It means the manifesto is trying to apply the conceptual apparatus of the colonized to a group that is, in the relevant present-day power relation, the dominant one. And the "we're not truly Zionist yet" move doesn't answer this, because the question isn't whether current Israeli policy deviates from Zionist ideals. The question is whether the structural logic of a Jewish national liberation state necessarily generates Palestinian subordination regardless of intent.
The present State of Israel is actually instructive here, and not in the way the manifesto would like. It does not formally define itself as an ethnonationalist state. It does not deny citizenship or formal legal equality to non-Jews. It does, constitutionally, give a special national status to Jews. And in practice, despite formal legal equality, Arab citizens have been systematically subordinated : in wealth, in land access, in development budgets, in political representation, in the cultural idiom of the state, in whose security the state regards as its primary mandate. This flows structurally from the state's founding logic: a state constituted for one people's national liberation will tend to reproduce the dominance of that people not through explicit discrimination but through the background conditions it encodes: whose history it commemorates, whose demographic growth it incentivizes, and crucially, whose belonging it treats as primary. In other words, not only the actually existing State of Israel but so too your ideal Zionist Israel will reproduce this oppression, because by its own self-definition it treats one people as more important, more worthy of belonging. The non-Jewish citizens of both Israel are equal in the same sense as proletarians and bourgeois are equal: formally, and not in any way that matters. Your ask that Palestinians dissolve their distinct national identity into a broader Israeli fabric reproduces precisely the false internationalism you elsewhere correctly critiques: the colonial society demanding the indigene forsake their particular identity in exchange for inclusion in a universal still controlled by the dominant group. Jewish identity is not asked to make a comparable dissolution.
What all of this adds up to is, I think, something the manifesto never quite confronts directly: genuine binational equality cannot be reached through a Jewish national liberation state as the transitional vehicle, because the transition reproduces and entrenches precisely what it is supposed to dissolve. The means are structurally incompatible with the ends. A genuinely equal binational state would require a founding political act that begins from the equal standing of both peoples, not from the prior establishment of Jewish national sovereignty with Arabs accommodated within it afterward. It must be Zionism’s supercession, not Zionism’s completion.
The manifesto is, in the end, still trying to have both: the Jewish national liberation state and genuine co-equal multinationalism. You cannot paper over the structural contradiction between those two things. We’ve already tried, we know how it goes.
I appreciate your thoughtful response! It isn't "my manifesto" per se, but I do endorse most of what is in it (I initially planned on posting screenshots from the original PDF but I chose to copy-paste because for some reason I was having technical difficulties with the other approach).
Now, I think you're essentially ignoring one of the core premises of the section on indigeneity: that national liberation temporarily prioritizes indigenous recovery, which may come at some consequent expense to the colonial populace, until such time as the relations that have defined their relationship are abolished through a process of equalization. This is explicit and restated on several occasions. Your analysis is more-or-less correct - to your credit - however you treat Palestinians as an implicit indigenous group relative to Israeli Jews, and I believe that framing is what makes your argument fall flat. Fanon described this phenomenon as "inversion", and warned that out-of-context it could be claimed by outside observers - ignorant of the colony's past - that the decolonial process is itself a form of colonization/oppression against the former colonials. He warned of that false equivalence being used to punish indigenes for their efforts at emancipation, and as an excuse to bolster sympathy and material support for the colonial remnants. He did also warn - as you have more or less described as well - of an incomplete decolonization, in which a national bourgeoisie is able to take power and betray the revolution: I don't disagree with you on that, that sort of counterrevolution is precisely what did end up happening in Israeli society, and stifled the Zionist movement to the point where most of its goals have not been met (or have even actively regressed due to the opposing actions of the Ze'evim).
Neither I nor the Manifesto "ask that Palestinians dissolve their distinct national identity" - rather, that Palestinians as a new group be recognized, equalized, etc., as part of the wider Israeli nation. The point isn't that Palestinians having a unique identity is a problem for Zionism - it isn't, there are millions of Arab Israelis, many of whom identify as Palestinian AND Israeli at the same time - the point is that there needs to be an understanding that ALL peoples of the land belong to it, not only one ethnic group. The matter of political or socioeconomic equity is actually parallel to this, since it is not because Arabs supposedly do not belong that Jews have been prioritized by the Zionist movement - in the same way that the phrase "Black Lives Matter" does not intend to imply that other lives do not - but instead because of the particular emergency and long history of injustice and abuse suffered by Jews, and not by Arabs (a consideration that would also apply if, say, a Native nation in the USA or Canada were to get reterritorialization and statehood and reckon with the sorts of problems that Israel has been faced with). It's true that such priority is indeed a kind of inequality (in the same way that the priority of the workers over the capitalists is also the case in the dictatorship of the proletariat; a highly analogous situation) and if left to stagnate and fester can certainly produce conditions comparable to those of colonial/chauvinist societies (Fanon says it's almost inevitable that if the process of decolonization is left unfinished, the indigenous can reproduce the same tendencies as the colony), and in Israel we do see much of that. But the solution to that travesty is not to declare the indigenous state to now be colonial, or to mischaracterize the revolution as an act of conquest, but to identify the failures and work to renew the revolution and the state along with it.
Many of the misunderstandings here are indeed due to the fact that unlike most theory pertaining to national liberation, decolonization is a relatively new and rather understudied phenomenon in practice: and the case of Israel is perhaps the only example in history of a truly long-standing colony (with a majority non-indigenous society) being not only overthrown but fundamentally undone internally (i.e., the minority nation becoming a majority again, the base and superstructure replaced, etc.). (There is some small argument to be made for Israel not being entirely alone in that: Fiji, Armenia, Greece, etc., have some similarities - but I digress.) This is why Fanon and the Zionist Manifesto warn against accusations of "reverse colonialism" - since that is, more or less, an accurate description of how decolonization operates in its early stages, and why proper maintenance of revolutionary structures and objectives is so crucial: because even if the state does not actually become colonial, it can develop behaviors which may at times be too close for comfort to those the revolution sought to overcome. But again, please: the solution is not to reject all of it as reactionary or as idealist from the ground up - that is a myopic, if not borderline anti-revolutionary framing - but save what can be saved, purge what must be purged, and renew/resume the revolution.
Thank you for your answer. There is clearly a lot of common ground between us, certainly far more that there is between me and any other Jumblr Zionist, which don’t ever tend to be socialists (we’ll come back to that). Let’s take your theory of indigeneity seriously, and grant that what superficially looks like colonial conquest in 1948 was in fact decolonization and reterritorialization.
But if we keep following your theory, then we have to conclude that the historic wrong it was designed to remedy has been substantially corrected. The first stage of Zionism, on your own definition, was the restoration of the Jewish nation to normative existence among nations: an end to statelessness, subalternism and the pariah condition. That has happened. There is a Jewish-majority state where Jewish culture is dominant, where Jewish security is the primary political mandate, where the historic deterritorialization has been reversed. The emergency conditions that justified temporary indigenous priority no longer obtain, at least not in Israel. If there is still genuine work of national liberation to be done for Jews, it is in the diaspora — in fighting for genuine belonging and multinational recognition in Germany, France, the United States. It is not in further entrenching ethnic priority in a state that already functions as a Jewish national home. In fact, your own analogy to the dictatorship of the proletariat makes this conclusion unavoidable: the dictatorship of the proletariat is explicitly transitional, and a Marxist who insists on maintaining it indefinitely after the conditions justifying it had dissolved would be rightly accused of having converted a revolutionary instrument into a tool of permanent domination. The same logic applies here. The structures that legally and materially privilege Jews in Israel, maintained and expanded long past the point of demographic and political security, are no longer instruments of liberation but instruments of dominance, and your own framework has no principled basis for defending them at this stage.
So Zionism has from your own framework become unecessary. But it gets worse : you acknowledge that incomplete decolonization tends to reproduce colonial conditions. But you treat this as an argument for renewing the revolution from within. This position requires you to ignore what the material conditions are actually producing. What they are producing is fascism, not a deformed revolution awaiting renewal. It is fascism, in a recognizable Marxist sense of that word, and the mechanism producing it flows directly from the Zionist legal and ideological architecture you continue to defend.
The Marxist analysis of fascism identifies its social base as the petit-bourgeoisie or more broadly, a working class that has been given a buffer of relative privilege separating it from the most exploited underclass, and which therefore experiences the prospect of genuine equality not as liberation but as an existential threat to its material position. Fascism mobilizes this class fraction not by promising it genuine power over capital, but by promising to maintain and extend its relative dominance over the group below it, through state violence if necessary. It is expansionist because that expansion is the mechanism by which it delivers material rewards to its base without touching bourgeois property relations. It substitutes new land, new resources, new captive labor markets for genuine redistribution.
This is precisely the structure Zionism has built in Israel. The Jewish working class has been given, through decades of Zionist legal and economic architecture, a materially privileged position relative to Arab citizens and Palestinians in the occupied territories. They have better access to land : the Jewish National Fund controls roughly 13% of Israeli land and leases it exclusively to Jews, and the Admissions Committees Law effectively allows hundreds of small communities to exclude Arab residents. They have better access to state development budgets : Arab municipalities receive systematically lower per-capita funding, a gap that has been documented repeatedly and never seriously closed. What this means is that the Jewish worker must rightly fear proletarianization (that is, losing the buffer that separates the Jewish worker from the condition of the Arab underclass) should Arabs be given an equal position. It is the entirely predictable subjective response to an objective material situation that Zionism itself created and maintains.
And we can see this mechanism pushing toward fascism working in real time in Israeli politics. Religious Zionism (Ze’vism, right?) is not a hostile takeover of Zionism by alien forces. It is the political expression of a Jewish working class and lower-middle class, concentrated heavily in the periphery and in the settlement enterprise, whose material interests have been organized by decades of state policy around the maintenance of Jewish ethnic priority. Ben Gvir's base is not the Israeli bourgeoisie, it is Mizrahi working-class communities in development towns and settlers in the West Bank whose economic existence depends on land that was seized from Palestinians. Smotrich has stated openly that there is no Palestinian people and that the land belongs to Jews : this is not ethnonationalism as a deviation from Zionism, it is the logical endpoint of the call to restore the Land to its indigenous people when that call is stripped of the socialist internationalist content that was always the thinnest and most fragile part of the Zionist coalition. These are the mature fruits of a structure that gave one ethnic working class a material stake in the subjugation of another.
And the expansionism, the occupation that you regret, is also operating exactly as the Marxist theory of fascism predicts. The settlement enterprise is not primarily driven by the Israeli bourgeoisie, who would prefer a stable two-state arrangement that allows normal business relations with the region. It is driven by a settler movement whose working-class and lower-middle-class participants are accessing land and housing they could not afford inside the Green Line, subsidized by the state, protected by the military, and ideologically justified by the Zionist claim to the entirety of the historic homeland. This is the classic fascist bargain: the working class gets expansion instead of redistribution. The bourgeoisie gets a compliant nationalist workforce and a state that protects property relations. The bill is paid by the people at the bottom of the ethnic hierarchy.
So when you say the solution is to renew the revolution rather than reject it, I need to ask: through what agency, organized how, with what material basis? The actually existing Israeli Jewish working class is not a class straining toward socialist consciousness that has been temporarily misdirected by bad leadership. It is a class whose material interests, as currently constituted by the Zionist legal and economic architecture you continue to defend, are structurally opposed to the equality your endpoint requires. Renewing the revolution would demand that this class act against those interests. There is no organized political force in Israel capable of leading it there, the Israeli left has been electorally marginal for decades (I ask again, how many of the Zionists you interact with on Jumblr are socialists of any form ?). And as I said, the material conditions for its reemergence do not exist, favor fascism and not communism. You are describing a revolution whose social base has been systematically dismantled by the very project you want to renew !
The State of Israel as constituted is not a deformed instrument of Jewish liberation waiting to be reclaimed. It is a capitalist ethnostate whose material and ideological conditions are actively hostile to the revolution you describe. And Zionism’s continued insistence on Jewish ethnic priority is functioning right now as the ideological fuel for an expansionist project that increasingly resembles the fascism you oppose. At some point the honest Marxist conclusion cannot be "renew the revolution" when that revolution’s ideology is why it has failed. You need a post-Zionism, one that recognizes the Jewish national identity and its history of persecution, while reckoning with the present reality that Zionism has wrought, that is, one that refuses the subordination of Palestinian national liberation to Jewish national priority.
yeah actually that death can be quite the good thing (for the entire rest of the world) (RIP Lu Ten but your old man kind of sucked until he was forced to realize "oh wait, having one's children die in a war kinda sucks actually")
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