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It's interesting how many people got away from Silksong with the idea that Pharloom was a much worse place than Hallownest and that the Pale King ended up looking like a much more humane god/ruler compared to Mother Silk, because while that's not really incorrect, the narrative is playing on Pharloom being a lot more overt about its systems of oppression while the Pale King's rule was centered on only showing the best of Hallownest while hiding the cracks through which you'd see a lot of the same problems present in the sequel.
Silksong is very in your face about its criticism of capitalism and the exploitation of workers, in a way that probably makes you think back to Hollow Knight with its much more generous economy and see it more favorably, but Hornet herself spells it out: what she's looking at in Pharloom is probably what was beneath the foundation of her own kingdom. It's meant to make you consider the costs behind the grandeur of any given god's great empire, not just pin down Pharloom as uniquely evil.
And when you get back to Hollow Knight, it shows in so many little things. Sure, the pilgrims weren't trampled on the same way as in Silksong, but their entire culture is still founded upon absolute veneration of the Pale King: the importance of the King Idols, how his image was exaggerated to increase the reverence of his subject, the fountain with a huge statue of him where you're asked to drop all your mortal possession for the sake of the realm (wonder who these money are going to, uh), how there was an entire caste of richer, more important bugs closer to him than common citizens who kept sucking up to him, many of which he brought with him when he secluded himself in a different dimension with his entire palace. Not talking about how much more technologically advanced the White Palace seems to be in comparison to everything else, as if he personally controlled the extent of that advancement (that line about how never traveled via stag, implying that maybe the trams, which are a lot fewer in the game, were perhaps meant for bugs of higher status. not a coincidence one of them connects straight to the territory where his Palace is).
He also seems very arrogant in general - from the very start of the game there's the boast of Hallownest being the "only" and "last" kingdom, which was already a ridiculous claim back in the days when we knew both Ze'mer and the Weavers came from the outside and that the Mantis tribe and Moths already lived there before his arrival so it's not like all life comes from him, but after Silksong it's outright delusional. Another message says that there's "nothing" beyond the wastes, and everyone who does not listen to him and goes away loses their memory. It all seem designed to keep the bugs there confined within his realm, so that they can keep worshipping him while never learning about the world beyond. His hubris was believing he could really build the perfect, eternal kingdom, not much different by how the high caste of Pharloom thought it could achieve immortality through Silk, just like how Hornet calls him a fool for believing he could control the void.
Even the White Lady, who's generally seen by part of the fandom as better than him, still went and claimed territories there were once of Unn's people for herself. Even after everything she had already witnessed with the Hollow Knight and the great sacrifice that was paid, almost for naught, she still implores the Knight to take their sibling's place as the eternally suffering Omelas Kid, in stark comparison to Hornet offering them a choice multiple times, and even hoping they could instead avoid it by overcoming the Radiance.
They were kinder rulers, perhaps really better than most other gods could have been with how much the Pale King is about overcoming your instincts and granting knowledge and how he interacted with other populations like the Mantis' tribe as an equal rather than crushing them under his foot like the Citadel did to literally everyone else in Pharloom, but they were still rulers, with all that entails, and I think that's something Silksong is deliberately playing with. It hits you in the face with how hostile and oppressive Pharloom is, makes you remember how much better, calmer and kinder Hallownest was, only to once again hit you with the "but never forget: they're built on the same foundation".
The thing about comparing Hallownest and Pharloom is that the former is ridiculously young.
Hallownest is better than Pharloom because it didn't have the time or advantages to be as bad as pharloom before the radiance hit the nuke button
If I remember correctly, the weaver settlement of deepest predates the pale king's arrival, or at least the foundation of hallownest proper.
By the time these weavers fled Grand Mother Silk, pharloom was likely an established kingdom (or at least a group of territories) comparable with hallownest at its peak, with weaver structures littered all across the territory and a number of already old societies in the Order of Karak, Verdania, the Skarr and likely others.
Pharloom's ailing state with the creation of the citadel to feed and contain GMS begins, at the absolute earliest and being generous, a generation or two before hallownest birth, when the weavers that manage to scale settle in deepnest.
It took likely a millennium equivalent or two for hallownest of founding, recruitment, building, expanding, infection 1.0, devising a plan, creating and training the perfect vessel, sealing the radiance, rebuilding and resuming as usual, the vessel failing, infection 2.0, full fall of the kingdom and the infected stasis before the knight arrives and finally pulls the plug.
In that whole life cycle of hallownest (plus however long took between the end of the infection and hornet getting captured, maybe a week maybe a century), those devoted to GMS had the time to create the citadel (if it wasn't already there at least in part) to substitute the weavers keeping the silk and song churning along, with the explicit advantage of plentiful metal in the bell veins and the abundant heat of the running magma bellow to grow to require the evils we see first hand.
Putting the nuke that the radiance was out of the equation, how long do you thing it would take for something similar to occur to hallownest as it happened to pharloom.
How long before PK's slow but steady expansion crosses the line with the mantises or the bees like it started to do with the spiders right before the debacle?
How long before he becomes an even farther figurehead, turning a blind eye as the mortal high caste or the sanctum scholars assume more power than they already had and turn the city of tears into another citadel that chokes the life around it?
Or before the injustices of those outcast and disillusioned bugs like xero pile enough to chip away at his benevolent facade and pale bright promises and decides to tighten his grim like GMS did with the weavers?
Maybe his hubris in tinkering with intrinsically uncontrollable forces unleashes a calamity the likes of which makes the infection look quaint
Honestly, with the lengths we've seen the Pale Monarchs of hallownest go on the off chance that it might save the kingdom and the evil and injustices we've seen only in the shadow of moribund bugs, given enough time and the PK's direct involvement, hallownest might have grown to be an even worse place than pharloom ever could.
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It's been a genuine joy to read through your musings in tags on here and I'm so happy this blog exists, thank you 💖
how did i not see this before omgg, im glad that someone can get joy from this throwaway account, this is a very sweet message ty
anyway I think one thing people never account for when discussing the Pale King and why he left all the vessels in the Abyss is that he probably never wanted children. Because a child is an heir, and he never wanted someone else to take over his kingdom. Having Hornet is already a step in a bad direction for him, but that's saved by the fact that she's also the heir to Deepnest, and since that kingdom/territory isn't ruled by a higher being, she's more likely to take it over than Hallownest. But really, for the Pale King, a child is confirmation that time is passing, that an era is ending, and that his reign (and kingdom) is not eternal. Which is, of course, the end of the world.
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Every time I see the White Lady depicted as generally parental towards the vessels, I shake my head gently

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Since it seems like not many people have mentioned this point, I think it's necessary for me to point it out—Pale King is not only interested in civil engineering, but he also pays great attention to the impact of the construction process on the environment, and tries to minimize the damage to the environment as much as possible.
According to the description of Queen's Station by Ellina the Chronicler in the book Hollow Knight: Wanderer's Journal, we can know that Pale King is not just an engineer, but also an engineer with concepts of sustainable development and environmental protection.
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Metamorphosis
A bit of an absent-minded musing related to the fanart i last reblogged but it has always been very interesting to me what the post's caption points out. 'A servant to a master, a student to a teacher, a child to a parent'.
To preserve the former, the latter decided to lay their lives, and with this sacrifice, all their work will be preserved for those left there to enjoy the fruits of their labor. They are the 3 lives that were put into stasis that day of the sealing.
But of course, we know better, we know that there were 4 lives that were put into stasis actually. the hollow knight is one of them. you could call their dynamic however you want: construct to engineer, knight to king, child to parent, they can encapsulate many dynamics of creation & creator/lower & higher that the dreamers emulate with their own 'legacies', the one difference that makes this pair so unnatural during the sealing is that the creator doesn't lay his life, he sends the creation to do so. Those who grieve the dreamers have to look up at them in the hierarchy of power, yet those that grieve the hollow knight have to look down. Of course, there are probably more people who grieved these 4, but it's interesting to me that once you try to generalize those dynamics of "who gets sealed and who are the ones left grieving" for each, it's the side of the pure vessel who could be said to be wrong in the order of things.
the doodles i dusted off for this very post are rough and flimsy ideas of this concept but I like to think pk did catch a glimpse of the loved ones each dreamer left behind before the fact. maybe he even shared some of their pain having to say goodbye to three bugs he considered excellent enough as to be eternal protectors to what his life's work depends on. but while that pain is of losing something of the kingdom's (which he cares deeply for, don't get me wrong*), there is something much more personally victimizing to "losing" a creature he himself instructed (raised) no?
Combine that with how the vessel gets infected later on and... Idk, i find it interesting how the experience of losing the hollow knight first to the sealing and then to the sickness could bring him down from that throne of god-king and right into having emotions he can actually have in common with mortal bugs under his reign now, much more than changing appearance perhaps ever did. like losing a loved one due to this war against the old light.