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im back. even more virulently antikink. i dont want to get “fucked”. thanks to everyone.

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thelesbiancitizen-deactivated20

“In order to believe that relationships between sadists and masochists are “liberated,” one would have to believe that contempt is caring, that humiliation is respect, that brutality is affection, and that bondage is freedom. The fact that many women do so believe is a measure of the extent to which men have destroyed women’s consciousness.”

— Mary Daly, Pure Lust

fuck am going to have to clean my entire internet presence up fairly soon so i don’t get cancelled for being cruel and vile in 10 years time. hurts so much.

lagoonhag

class is so cool. the possibilities are just endless. destroy the class binary, stop telling ur kids they’re either proletarian or bourgeois

classbend until you find what fits you. middle class, petit bourgeois, classqueer

only you can define your class identity uwu

temporaryproblematicurl-deactiv

Personally, I am classqueer. I fluctuate from controlling the means of production to being systematically oppressed on a day-to-day basis. People often misclass me and say I’m bourgeois but like on working-class days I face classism and disenfranchisement, yknow? And on a ruling-class day I got told I couldn’t join a worker’s union? wtf? fucking CERF scum (class exclusionary radical feminists) oppressing me they’re worse than the capitalist system. We should have fucking class-neutral unions and let the bourgeoisie get social security. Fucking classphobic society we live in.

hermajestyimher

Your femininity is sacred, don't run from it, don't suppress it. Being a woman is a BLESSING, indulge and appreciate it. Our society has conditioned us to believe that being dainty, soft, girly, delicate etc. Is some how an expression of weakness or something to look down upon, do not listen to this. Being in tune with your femininity will bring you peace, and femininity can and does look different depending on the person, we all have different approaches to it, but that's also part of the beauty and the magic in it.

Wear that pink dress, put on that floral perfume, speak softly, have a delicate demeanor, take ballet classes, do whatever makes YOU feel good as a woman. If you stand out as a result just know you're standing out for all the right reasons.

oldtimefanfics

hello to all my sweet feminine sisters 💕 just wondering how femininity manages to be both internal, innate, and immutable but is also highly dependant on superficiality to be expressed? if my femininity is sacred surely i won't need to consume a gross amount of worldy goods (clothes home decor perfume makeup razors the elegance guides that tradwives sell on instagram) for it to be perceptible? why do have we to spend a massive amount of time and money cultivating femininity and training ourselves into docility when we're all just bursting with repressed girliness? (honestly want 2 know not taking the piss🙏)

witchfromthewoods-deactivated20

@oldtimefanfics I used to think like this when I was young I honestly believed that femininity was just the superficial aspects of it and I ignored the rest. I would often ask my mamaw these types of questions (although not worded exactly this way) her answer was always the same "you're ignoring the cake and complaining about the icing"

Makeup, nice clothes etc are not femininity they are the icing on the cake they are tools to help Express femininity but they arent femininity.

Feminine women dont "train ourselves into docility" by being our naturally nurturing and gentle selves. Learning to bite your tongue and pick your battles is a skill that every human needs to learn and is also not femininity

oldtimefanfics

i absolutely understand nurturing an actual child. but the "nurturing" that goes on in trad communities always seems to entail spoiling and coddling an actual adult man or teenage boy. if there is one thing men don't need from women, it is more tolerance and permisiveness.

witchfromthewoods-deactivated20

What I'm getting from this is You think treating people with love and respect is "coddling and spoiling " them?

oldtimefanfics

i do think women who see meekness as a virtue, and submission and deference to their men as nature/science/god's divine order are going to be more prone to a bit of phallic worship. making mad excuses for male violence (women have lost their femininity during the 20th century and are now causing men to lose their masculinity, this is why men behave poorly) goes further than loving men.

witchfromthewoods-deactivated20

Just admit you hate women who are happy being feminine and move on dude. Its clear you don't actually understand or you are intentionally misrepresenting traditional femininity and all your hateful posts and comments arent going to change that.

oldtimefanfics

submitting to a man is a deviant act. But i am sorry for my abject lack of meekness and humility.

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hermajestyimher

Your femininity is sacred, don't run from it, don't suppress it. Being a woman is a BLESSING, indulge and appreciate it. Our society has conditioned us to believe that being dainty, soft, girly, delicate etc. Is some how an expression of weakness or something to look down upon, do not listen to this. Being in tune with your femininity will bring you peace, and femininity can and does look different depending on the person, we all have different approaches to it, but that's also part of the beauty and the magic in it.

Wear that pink dress, put on that floral perfume, speak softly, have a delicate demeanor, take ballet classes, do whatever makes YOU feel good as a woman. If you stand out as a result just know you're standing out for all the right reasons.

oldtimefanfics

hello to all my sweet feminine sisters 💕 just wondering how femininity manages to be both internal, innate, and immutable but is also highly dependant on superficiality to be expressed? if my femininity is sacred surely i won't need to consume a gross amount of worldy goods (clothes home decor perfume makeup razors the elegance guides that tradwives sell on instagram) for it to be perceptible? why do have we to spend a massive amount of time and money cultivating femininity and training ourselves into docility when we're all just bursting with repressed girliness? (honestly want 2 know not taking the piss🙏)

witchfromthewoods-deactivated20

@oldtimefanfics I used to think like this when I was young I honestly believed that femininity was just the superficial aspects of it and I ignored the rest. I would often ask my mamaw these types of questions (although not worded exactly this way) her answer was always the same "you're ignoring the cake and complaining about the icing"

Makeup, nice clothes etc are not femininity they are the icing on the cake they are tools to help Express femininity but they arent femininity.

Feminine women dont "train ourselves into docility" by being our naturally nurturing and gentle selves. Learning to bite your tongue and pick your battles is a skill that every human needs to learn and is also not femininity

oldtimefanfics

i absolutely understand nurturing an actual child. but the "nurturing" that goes on in trad communities always seems to entail spoiling and coddling an actual adult man or teenage boy. if there is one thing men don't need from women, it is more tolerance and permisiveness.

witchfromthewoods-deactivated20

What I'm getting from this is You think treating people with love and respect is "coddling and spoiling " them?

oldtimefanfics

i do think women who see meekness as a virtue, and submission and deference to their men as nature/science/god's divine order are going to be more prone to a bit of phallic worship. making mad excuses for male violence (women have lost their femininity during the 20th century and are now causing men to lose their masculinity, this is why men behave poorly) goes further than loving men.

hermajestyimher

Your femininity is sacred, don't run from it, don't suppress it. Being a woman is a BLESSING, indulge and appreciate it. Our society has conditioned us to believe that being dainty, soft, girly, delicate etc. Is some how an expression of weakness or something to look down upon, do not listen to this. Being in tune with your femininity will bring you peace, and femininity can and does look different depending on the person, we all have different approaches to it, but that's also part of the beauty and the magic in it.

Wear that pink dress, put on that floral perfume, speak softly, have a delicate demeanor, take ballet classes, do whatever makes YOU feel good as a woman. If you stand out as a result just know you're standing out for all the right reasons.

oldtimefanfics

hello to all my sweet feminine sisters 💕 just wondering how femininity manages to be both internal, innate, and immutable but is also highly dependant on superficiality to be expressed? if my femininity is sacred surely i won't need to consume a gross amount of worldy goods (clothes home decor perfume makeup razors the elegance guides that tradwives sell on instagram) for it to be perceptible? why do have we to spend a massive amount of time and money cultivating femininity and training ourselves into docility when we're all just bursting with repressed girliness? (honestly want 2 know not taking the piss🙏)

witchfromthewoods-deactivated20

@oldtimefanfics I used to think like this when I was young I honestly believed that femininity was just the superficial aspects of it and I ignored the rest. I would often ask my mamaw these types of questions (although not worded exactly this way) her answer was always the same "you're ignoring the cake and complaining about the icing"

Makeup, nice clothes etc are not femininity they are the icing on the cake they are tools to help Express femininity but they arent femininity.

Feminine women dont "train ourselves into docility" by being our naturally nurturing and gentle selves. Learning to bite your tongue and pick your battles is a skill that every human needs to learn and is also not femininity

oldtimefanfics

i absolutely understand nurturing an actual child. but the "nurturing" that goes on in trad communities always seems to entail spoiling and coddling an actual adult man or teenage boy. if there is one thing men don't need from women, it is more tolerance and permisiveness.

traditionalwomen-deactivated201

Gender roles are beautiful. They are the definition of male and female teamwork, and the fine line between order and chaos. There should be a balance of the natural male and natural female characteristics that are determined by evolution over thousands of years. The idea of a man as a leader, provider and protector, and a woman as a helper, caretaker and beauty.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with adhering to these roles. They are ingrained in your biology, they are not just a “social construct”.

Ladies, be graceful and beautiful, and you will find that life will become more beautiful itself. We are not made to be cynical and stressed, competing at work with men. We should work with men, not against them, and help to support their gender roles as well, especially in a time when many men have been feminized by modern feminism and feel a lack of purpose.

tradmanmidwest

This really shouldn’t be a question in anyone’s mind of how true this is. But if it is, it’s simple to consider: virtually all civilizations in all of human history all across the world have the same identical gender roles. You’re not going to defeat all of human nature’s history and the attempt to do so in the last roughly 100 years is a demonstration of how wrong our modern society is becoming. Don’t destroy yourself just to fight a pointless losing battle.

femeren

Absolutely not. Femininity is forced onto women so that masculinity can dominate. Fuck outta here

witchfromthewoods-deactivated20

No femininity is not “forced” on women most women are naturally more feminine which is something actively being discouraged by most of western societies.

femeren

Oh no my hairy legs and bare face make me shake in my men’s section clothes

witchfromthewoods-deactivated20

Your lack of understanding of traditional roles is not reflective of those roles

femeren

I do understand them actually! They’re misogynistic and limiting and detrimental to women’s wellbeing

witchfromthewoods-deactivated20

You not wanting to follow them does not make them “misogynistic ” or “detrimental to women ” personally being forced by society to be more masculine is detrimental to many womens well being especially when we are told that we are brainwashed because we want to be our natural feminine selves.

ms-gay-frogs

girl WHERE are you forced to be masculine omg 😭😭 can i move there??

also your body is not “naturally feminine” it’s naturally FEMALE and there is a difference.

witchfromthewoods-deactivated20

Masculinity is pushed onto young girls all across the western world from the time they are born very few aspects of femininity are still encouraged and none of them are traditionally feminine.

ms-gay-frogs

is that so?

because i can distinctly remember when i was forced to have my ears pierced at 10, when i was forced to get my legs professionally waxed (because im mixed race and v hairy) at 11, all the times my masculine features were mocked, all the times i was told i needed plastic surgery because i “looked like a boy”, all the uncomfortable bras, all the uncomfortable makeup, all the uncomfortable shaving, plucking, exfoliating, eyebrow threading. the shaming and disgust my grandma STILL sends my way when discovering i haven’t shaved. when i was and still am constantly forced to take on a “motherly” role for my brother (who i really do love) at the sacrifice of my time and patience. teaching him english, teaching him french, while my male relatives can lounge around. not once was masculinity encouraged in me. unless you count being encourage to go into workforce and to wear pants as “masculinity pushed onto young girls”.

so now im asking, what masculinity is forced on girls? im genuinely asking.

witchfromthewoods-deactivated20

Sweetie you do know your experiences arent universal and you dont speak for every single woman right? Because many of us have had very different experiences than you and our stories and the pressures we face are just as important

ms-gay-frogs

and neither are yours! however i know almost every girl my age is similar, especially girls with more masculine features like me, who are pressured into “correcting” them via femininity

im STILL waiting to hear how masculinity has somehow been forced onto you, you never provided any examples. and no, being encouraged to excel academically and in the workforce doesn’t count.

witchfromthewoods-deactivated20

I’m not claiming my experiences are universal unlike you. So your entire argument is pointless

ms-gay-frogs

i…never even said my experiences were universal, just that they were very common. and im still waiting to hear how masculinity has apparently been pushed on you and “girls all over the western world” BTW.

witchfromthewoods-deactivated20

I’ve never met anyone offline who has ever mentioned experiences like yours unless you count people talking about people they know vaguely experiences.

Encouraging sports and other masculine hobbies over feminine hobbies

(Being told I’m setting women back because I like to cook and sew more than play football) I’ve met many girls who share this experience

Discouraging feminine roles such as homemaking or motherhood or even looking into traditionally feminine careers like teaching or daycare worker

(Being told that I HAVE to choose something else because these are female dominated roles)

Encouraging masculine behaviors like being dominant and trying to force us into extremely masculine leadership roles.

(Any sign of being in a follower role was criticized to the point of me being punished)

Discouraging feminine clothes

(Being told I had to wear pants or shorts made for men because dresses were inappropriate and I was bullied for dressing too girly)

Constantly devaluing feminine roles

(Outside of my home all I heard was people insulting women who choose to follow traditional roles and praising women who are masculine)

ms-gay-frogs

1. sports and physical activities are actually GOOD for children and should be encouraged for overall health regardless of sex. the fact you can even complain about encouraging young girls to be active is just gross. plus, women who do sports on a professional level are constantly under scrutiny (if you haven’t seen the way men treat, view, and talk about women’s sports teams) and women who attain bodybuilder physiques are also CONSTANTLY mocked.

2. while you aren’t “setting women back” because you like to sew + cook, you ARE doing so by saying these are intrinsically linked with womanhood. there are no naturally “womanly” hobbies, only hobbies that have been assigned to women by men.

3. homemaking and motherhood are not at all discouraged in life, it’s a very common female experience to be pressured into motherhood. women are pressured to both adhere to motherhood/taking care of the home AND work in the workforce, which is something i disagree with since now we are expected to do MORE work than men who are simply expected to work in the workforce. i do agree that devaluing typically “feminine” jobs or jobs that are female-dominated (like you said, teaching and daycare) IS wrong, but it’s not a “push of masculinity”. they WANT women to work these jobs, otherwise they would push for more men to do them. their problem with it is that women in these jobs are (rightfully) demanding proper pay and that is seen as wrong as typically “feminine” work is not seen as labour (although it is).

4. idk where you live where young girls are encouraged to take on leadership roles, since this has been the opposite for almost every girl and woman in my life who have been discouraged from taking on leadership/authoritative figures. boys are told to be doctors, girls are told to be nurses. women are literally KEPT OUT of leadership positions. encouraging girls to take leadership positions is actually very healthy for girls’ esteem of themselves. and i don’t know what you mean by encouraging girls to be dominant is bad, because it’s important that girls and women are active in their own lives! not that they’re gonna be told what to do all the time. it’s better for girls and women to be in charge of themselves. while i don’t devalue “follower roles” they simply aren’t as liberating as being in charge. do you think a woman who cooks + cleans + raises children for a man with NO PAY is as liberated as a man working for his own money? and what do you mean by “being punished” for taking on these roles?

5. while overly feminine clothes can be discouraged, so is overly masculine. in fact, masculine presentation in women in general is scrutinized! hairy legs, short hair, bulky/muscular build, these are all things that women get humiliated EN MASSE for. even things like “resting bitch face”. just take a look at the olympics attire for women vs men and TELL me they aren’t pushing femininity on these women, who are forced to wear clothing akin to bras + panties and skirts (for tennis) while men can wear proper athletic attire?

6. as for “devaluing feminine roles” i agree that there is a specific shame directed to women who don’t work in the workforce, but THE SAME APPLIES TO WOMEN WHO DON’T DO HOUSE WORK EITHER! women are expected to take on both house work (chores, taking care of children, etc) while ALSO having jobs now. it’s less a “push for masculinity” and an expectation that women work full time for pay and then work even more at home for no pay.

witchfromthewoods-deactivated20

Once again just because your experience is different doesn’t make it universal. Stop pretending that other womens lived experiences arent important if they dont match up to your extremely narrow veiw of “womens experience ” and what that “should ” be

I’m not complaining about being encouraged to be active inwas a very active child I’m complaining that I was pressured/forced into extremely masculine sports like football and not allowed to enjoy traditionally feminine hobbies

oldtimefanfics

You can't ever just be a helper or helpmeet or caretaker to men. Sorry. It is impossible for a woman, gestating for 9 months and providing more than half of a child's DNA, to be subordinate to someone who provides a single cell in reproduction. I don't know why traditional women insist on phallic worship, and rejecting the blessed natural order of things - which is woman as leader. Surely your beloved dominant alpha male should be off shagging other women right and left, why's he sat in the house whinging for his dinner?

also being an aspiring tradwife must be hard as fuck if you're ugly - i'm imagining myself trying to be a wee tradwife and getting told to just be beautiful lol😳😳😳panic

embracing-femininity

Femininity in Society

Society needs to stop shaming women for being women and start encouraging it again. It’s not “lame” or “oppressive” to be feminine, lady-like, responsible, and polite. It’s natural, it’s nice, and it actually makes men act more chivalrous and masculine in return! It’s wonderful!

oldtimefanfics

This is true if we all just sucked more cock and wore more frilly dresses 9/11 wouldn't have happened 😩😩😩😤😤😤😤 so sad that women wear trousers nowadays, it forces our god-fearing Masculine Men to batter us :(

hermajestyimher

Your femininity is sacred, don't run from it, don't suppress it. Being a woman is a BLESSING, indulge and appreciate it. Our society has conditioned us to believe that being dainty, soft, girly, delicate etc. Is some how an expression of weakness or something to look down upon, do not listen to this. Being in tune with your femininity will bring you peace, and femininity can and does look different depending on the person, we all have different approaches to it, but that's also part of the beauty and the magic in it.

Wear that pink dress, put on that floral perfume, speak softly, have a delicate demeanor, take ballet classes, do whatever makes YOU feel good as a woman. If you stand out as a result just know you're standing out for all the right reasons.

oldtimefanfics

hello to all my sweet feminine sisters 💕 just wondering how femininity manages to be both internal, innate, and immutable but is also highly dependant on superficiality to be expressed? if my femininity is sacred surely i won't need to consume a gross amount of worldy goods (clothes home decor perfume makeup razors the elegance guides that tradwives sell on instagram) for it to be perceptible? why do have we to spend a massive amount of time and money cultivating femininity and training ourselves into docility when we're all just bursting with repressed girliness? (honestly want 2 know not taking the piss🙏)

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notable-spinster

performing femininity is only empowering if your definition of power is male approval

godh8er-deactivated20220626

this post has so much power,,, op how did you nail the concept of feminity so perfectly in 13 words?

radfemblack

I love her.

oldtimefanfics

i think it's silly to expect "protection" from any class of men. Never has happened, never will. they always turn on us.

chlorinatedpopsicle

I made a couple of things. :)

evilagain-deactivated20211107

female true crime youtubers will talk about a guy that raped mutilated and ate 56 children with no personal commentary added but every time they mention a female killer who killed her kids or whatever they have to be like this is the most evil person I've ever read about in my whole true crime hobby I've never known a human being could be this ruthless and subhuman i am deeply disgusted like yes i agree casey anthony is an awful person but i also think your average rapist is worse yet i never hear u guys saying shit about them at best and at worse i hear u calling them smart🤨

h8 seeing pictures on this site... only come on here for words tbh

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tchaikovskaya

the idea that young women en masse would enthusiastically have lots of babies and raise a huge family if only she had the necessary economic support that is denied to her by capitalist society and the nuclear family model is truly fucking bonkers. how are you a feminist if you believe that? is it inconceivable to you that someone could be fully financially and logistically capable of having and raising children comfortably but simply doesnt want to?

oh no, because then you would have to admit that some people just dont like children and arent interested in parenthood, which on principle is a fact that you hate and think is evil, so you’d rather not acknowledge it so you aren’t put in a position where you might have to defend it!

that1betch-deactivated20230628

This is actually why patriarchy is needed for imperialism and capitalism. They need constant population growth and a high birth rate.

Matriarchal societies tend to have stable populations that stay around the same because the only women who have babies are the ones who want to have babies. They also don’t have war or imperialism.

cisthoughtcrime

that ask going around about the Bible somehow “inventing” misogyny is driving me crazy, like does no one do their own research? ever? it’s not that old!!

the earliest any credible scholar would date the composition of the old testament is to the 13th century BCE (maybe the 14th), towards the end of the Bronze Age and literal millennia after Mesopotamia and Egypt popped up.

Hammurabi lived in the 18th century BCE and his surviving laws codify female oppression in ways recognisable to a modern audience. Babylonian women even in the 19th century BCE were taught domestic skills instead of receiving the education of their male peers, were allocated domestic, reproductive, and/or sexual roles (aside from a few religious positions), excluded from politics, and routinely provably punished for disobeying male entitlement with physical violence.

By the time of the Qijia Culture in pre-dynastic China (23rd century BCE) a woman was buried alive along with the other grave good objects in a man’s tomb.

despite Neithhotep holding some power as queen-consort (and possibly as pharaoh in her own right) in Egypt’s First Dynasty (roughly 32nd-30th centuries BCE) and women having relatively more rights in some time periods of Egypt’s long history, it was still definitively a patriarchal society in which women could not be state officials or administrators other than the exceptionally few women who became pharaohs over the course of more than 3000years of dynastic rule.

In ancient Mesopotamian Uruk society— 4000-3100 BCE! that’s between 1,900 and 2,800 years before the earliest part of the Bible was written!— women are shown in art and the earliest snippets of written language in terms of their fertility service to men and excluded from even consideration in depiction of the worldly hierarchy (read “And They Said Let Us Make Gods in Our Image: Gendered Ideologies in Ancient Mesopotamia” by Pollock and Bernbeck for evidence from late Uruk)

I’m just giving passing examples, this isn’t even 1% of the evidence for misogyny and ingrained patriarchy that predates the Bible!

so yes! the Bible codified sexism! duh! but invented it?? or even ‘perfected’ it?? do some fucking reading before talking out of your ass! if you’re a feminist, then the evidence is on your side! there’s no reason to say dumb shit!

like do you really think 2000 years into Bronze Age history when established civilisations were already as old as the Bible is now, someone woke up and thought ‘hey what if women were inferior?’ get your shit together! there’s been a longer history of misogyny before the Bible than after simply by virtue of the fact that it isn’t even that old in the scheme of things.

Misogyny isn’t that young!!

femclasscirce

100% this

(Also friendly reminder that the earliest recorded term for slave, “geme”, was a sumerian word written with the symbols “woman + mountain” (sal + kur). It referred to the women abducted by Sumerians during raids on mountain villages, women who were then apparently sold into sexual slavery. It’s a word that refers specifically to women, and predates male-specific slavery terms. That’s right, the earliest recorded term for slave refers to female sex trafficking victims.)

Tldr; Misogyny is the world’s oldest oppression.

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