NoahofDespair

This is Money Snake. She only appears every 312 years. 

Allen is such a precious bean sprout baby and needs to be protected at all costs ❤️

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@staff still not putting Iran under things we care about.

Allen Walker

Lenalee Lee

Lavi Bookman

Kanda Yuu

Anyway, something I really love about D.Gray-Man, which I think confuses a lot of people, is that it’s a tragedy hiding in a shounen. A lot of the things which are framed as Positive Shounen Growth is actually the setup for tragedy.

I think this turns of readers on two hands:

A) Though I don’t think Hoshino’s perfect, I have a lot of trust in her ability to know when a plot beat is tragic, even if it isn’t portrayed that way at the time. There’s a lot of really dissonant plot beats where the show is playing it like a victory, but, if you think about it for five seconds, are Pretty Messed Up. I think, without that trust, it can easily feel like “wait, why is this being played like a win??? Isn’t this bad???“

B) On the flipside, if you trust shounen convention, you’re going to end up feel like your ‘wins‘ keep getting ‘stolen‘. The characters keep doing things that make them powerful and selfless! Why does that keep making things bad.

Because, at the core, it’s a series about how the traits that make a good shounen hero ARE tragic. Shounen values self-sacrifice, power, and perseverance. D.Gray-Man understands that these are BAD things for a teenage child soldier. In the face of the apocalypse, having those traits may keep the characters alive, but characters becoming more ‘powerful‘ and ‘motivated‘ in D.Gray-Man often means they are actively turning away from the stable, healthy option. Often, the healthy option is not survivable, but even when the unhealthy option is heroic, it’s still tragic.

Let’s talk specific moments

maybe you think you're being affectionate, but she's already trying her best even though she just lost a family member. she's already worried about her deadline. stop rushing her; she can't do anything about the health of her hand.

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I have never seen anyone call lenalee out for being abusive or just.. not being a good friend. She means good but she is not the kindest one all the time. I have indeed seen posts calling her out for crying too much only because she is a girl, in which I agree is just stupid because a girl can cry as much as guys can.

But if I have to be honest.. I have seen her (physically) lash out on the other 3 main guys much more, than the main 3 guys at the others in the whole series.

Lavi has indeed 1 time got very angry and smashed a window, but he did not hit her and immediately stopted yelling/calmed down when he noticed that everyone in the room looked at him. Other than that moment I don’t remember him getting angry or lashing out, most of the time when he does feel negative he stays silent.

Allen gets angry at times but doesn’t really lash out. For example he can be angry at Lavi for taking his food but doesn’t hit him or punches him so hard that Lavi can’t feel his body anymore. No he just pranks him back (like the wasabi scene in Gray Log). He does fight with Kanda, but that’s because he KNOWS that Kanda can take it, and Kanda doesn’t mind. Them fighting or sparring each other is the only real outlet they have without holding back. Yet they still respect each other and don’t cross each others boundaries.Allen also NEVER gets angry at women, the only one time that he did was when he yelled at Lenalee for holding him back when the akuma was about to explode (their mission in Miranda’s town). Even after that Allen apologized for his behaviour yet Lenalee made such a big scene and said that his actions hurted her. She didn’t even brought him somewhere private to talk it out and even try asking him herself on WHY he wanted to save that exploding akuma? ‘’Why did you want to save it? We kill akuma’s so why trying to kill yourself for nothing?’’.. she never even tried to ask. She just made a whole scene in public and made Allen feel guilty for his action. 

Kanda is mostly all bark and barely bite. Which is a wonder because at the start of his life he always yelled at Alma and calls him out stuff but never punched him (except that one moment where they both fought each other until their limbs fell out). And later on he never hit/hurt or even yelled at Lenalee, from when she was a lil kid until now. Lenalee sees Kanda like his own brother. And you know how Lenalee handles her brother. She loves Komui but she doesn’t hold back kicking him so hard that he might get a concussion. And even though we have not seen her harm Kanda as much as Komui in the series, she does still hurt him, even if it is out of ‘’(sisterly) love’’.. and we know she doesn’t hold back against Kanda because she knows that Kanda is much stronger than Komui. He has accepted every punch and kick and yell from her but never harmed her himself. Kanda never really hurted people. Yes he pushed/shoved people away hard or yelled or even threaten them with Mugen. But he never hit or actually cut someone down. And he does fight with Allen, but just as I wrote above, he knows that Allen can take it and they both don’t have to hold back yet they still respect each other and give each other space when needed.

AND Lavi even calls Kanda ‘’Yuu’’ even though Kanda told him not to call him that a million times. Even then Kanda never really hurts Lavi for that, he only yells at him and threatens to cut him. And it’s a wonder that he never lashed out because of that, because his first name might even remember/trigger him too much of his past and he wants to leave his past behind. And speaking about his past, Kanda has also had a horrible one. Even worse than Lenalee. Yes she was kidnapped and taken by force. But she luckily has not been experimented on and she had protection of Jerry, the Matron, and probably even from other scientists and/or even finders, and got protection from Komui too when he joined the order. Kanda did not have someone to protect him. Yes Alma cared about him and tried to help as much as he could, and even some scientist cared about both Kanda and Alma.. but they also manipulated him and he was experimented on so horribly and so much. But even then. No one uses his past as an excuse for his bad behaviour. Even with all the horrible things Kanda went through, he still doesn’t hurt others. And he, and the fandom, never uses his horrible past as an excuse to hurt others or for it to be justified..

Yet for example down here we see canon material of how Lenalee is. Kanda did NOT want to model. If someone says no, it means no. Yet Lenalee is like a sister to Kanda and I know for sure that if she kept asking him to model a few times.. he would eventually say yes just so she will stop asking him. YET we see here that she obviously used such brute strength that it makes KANDA bleed from his mouth.. just to make Kanda do something he initially said no to. 

And I just don’t like this potrayel or ‘’girl power’’ or ‘’female empowerment’’ it’s not even ‘’cute’’.. it’s just horrible behaviour. There is a difference about comical relief and just straight up hurting someone so bad that they bleed and and have a hard time moving. And now imagine this. If Lenalee were a guy and Kanda a girl.. would this still be okay? Would this still be cute or ‘’sibling love’’? No people would lash out and say that male Lenalee is abusive to female Kanda. So why is the other way around fine? And also ask yourself this.. would you like or even accept to have a friend to hurt you so bad like this? Not really right..

And the other bad behaviour was when Allen was about to leave the order, Lenalee flew all the way to him and asked ‘’where are you going?’’ but when he said that he is going to leave.. she told him to stay? Like.. really? Did she really think that the order would accept him with open arms and be nice to him? No. They would call him out for treason and even tie and hold him in a much tighter and confined place where no one can ever reach him, or even (threaten to) kill him. She never really thought about that? She didn’t even say something like ‘’I respect you leaving and I understand.. but I can not follow you.. I can not leave my brother..’’. IF she atleast said something like that.. that’s just more realistic than begging him to stay for his death and then break down infront of him, in which he feels guilty about, and then ALLEN is comforting LENALEE. Allen is comforting Lenalee in a situation where Allen COULD DIE and tries to calm her down. And when he does leave she reaches for him and acts as if her whole world broke down. She didn’t even stand up and face him saying ‘’goodbye’’ and ‘’goodluck out there’’. No she just made Allen’s last memory of her a bad memory and this memory will fill Allen with guilt for leaving the order.

Even till now I have NEVER seen a posts about people calling Lenalee out for her bad behaviour or even called out her flaws. I have indeed seen people calling her a drama queen who cries waay too much (and even then you can see that they come from the kind of people who get annoyed at all female characters that cry) but even I find that stupid. Girls can cry as much as guys can and visa versa. 

But the whole fandom do call out all the male characters out on their flaws. Allen, Kanda, Lavi, Tyki, Link, Cross, Neah, Mana, and probably even more. And they STILL love them. They still love these characters and try to make content where they don’t ignore their flaws. They can bring out the best of them and also show their true flaws.The only female character I have seen from the fandom calling out her flaws is Road, but even then they call her a sadistic demon who loves to hurt others, and even this is over the top. Indeed in the beginning of the series she seemed like that but over time you don’t see her like that anymore. The fan content has become much better of her WITH her flaws, yet some people still potray her as a sadistic demon who doesn’t care about others at all (in fics or art).

And even with Lenalee I have even seen people making fanart or even write fics normalizing Lenalee’s actual bad behaviour.. They accept her threatening her male friends (and never to her female friends) with kicks and hits or saying that if they don’t do as she says, that she will tell Komui that they did something to her or touched her inappropriately and that Komui WILL hurt them. AND EVEN THIS is not canon!? I don’t remember Lenalee saying something like this in canon yet some people make her worse by making her like this.There are only a few rare fics that actually potrays Lenalee as a good character without making her lash out or threatening the guys with either her kicks/fists or with Komui.. but still show her flaws. I have seen content where Lenalee is more like a human being with actual flaws and not some kind of goddess. And that’s the Lenalee I like more. A girl who is nice but does have flaws but still tries to be a good friend and does NOT hurt someone with her kicks or fists.I just don’t like the Lenalee that threatens to hurt someone of they don’t do as she says, in canon or fanon, and don’t even call her out for it. (Or even threatens the guys with Komui.. by saying that she will tell him that they touched her inappropriately?? Again.. I have never seen her do that in canon yet so many potray Lenalee like this) You can call out a characters flaws and still love them. So many people in our fandom love all the male characters and accept their flaws. They still make content of them in their best but also show their flaws and sometimes even portay them better than canon in a realistic way.Why can’t people do the same with Lenalee? Don’t make her the softest and sweetest out of all of them, and then also make her the mother hen, and make her only cry and hurt the guys with her fists and call it ‘’though love’’ or even threaten them with Komui. But make her a realistic person who can be kind but can also make mistakes. Someone who might get angry too fast but then apologies after she noticed her behaviour AND that she was actually in the fault. Let her become angry and let her fight. But don’t make her genuinly hurt her own friends with her fists/kicks, and make them feel guilty by her tears, and say that she does that out of love.. There are a few rare Lenalee’s that fan artists/writers shows her more humanly and real without hurting her own friends and is even better than canon.

I understand that you might have gotten upset and thought that my reply on that question was hate.. but this was something that bothered me so much that it was ignored by both canon and the fandom. But sadly this is with a lot of main female characters. I have seen so many female characters who get angry so fast and hurt their own friends so bad.. yet media shows this as ‘’girl power’’ and ‘’female empowerment’’. This kind of behaviour has been added for comical relief and has been normalized in media with many other series and fandoms that I might not even know of. You can still call out a characters flaw and still love them and sometimes even make better fanon version of them than canon.

Being angry is not bad, it’s human. You don’t decide how you feel. But you do decide how you react and Lenalee tends to be an ass to the people she loves and who love her in return and the main problem is that no one actually tells her that “you’re being an ass right now, stop it” becuase they want to “protect her feelings” and not “make her cry”??

Allen, Lavi and Kanda had expressed anger, yes.

But when Allen yelled at her he later apologized and he never lashed out on her again.

When Lavi snapped at her he was called out on it (and strangely enough he WASN’T when he yelled at Miranda wtf). He felt so guilty by his own behaviour that he kept doting on Lenalee afterwards even though earlier he didn’t seem to particularly care about her. He never lashed out at her again either.

When Kanda has actually been violent with that one finder in the begining he was called out on it. When he punched Allen for saying “sacrificing all the time won’t bring victory” he didn’t get called out but no one condoned his action. When he “convinced” the rest to leave him behind to fight Skinn one on one, the team rightfully gets mad at him. He might engage in brawls with Alma and later Allen, but those two can actually keep up with him and fight back. Even if he is constantly annoyed he mostly just snaps at Lavi to not call him Yuu he never actually hits him or describe gruesome ways to kill him as fanon portrays, at tops he says he’d cut him, but actually never actually hurt Lavi.

Evem when Kanda actually SERIOUSLY hurt Allen (that could have killed anyone other than Allen), he was visibly horrified by his actions. He might have been manipulated by the Noah but it was still his responsibility. He himself even admitted it and never tried to shift the blame.

Lenalee however makes Allen publicly humiliate himself and it’s caring. The guys fight tooth and nail to keep her alive and because they are forced to take risks she is entitled to punch them and it’s played off as “Lenalee’s love”. She punches Kanda feom drinking the Innocence out of her hands (when she is pretty much the most touch free person, especially with Allen), kicks Kanda with her bloody weapon because he didn’t want to model and it’s funny. Which, is fucking crazy because Kanda was never even remotely rude to her, he even treated her much different than the rest and people are ok with Lenalee kicking him so hard that he’d bleed?? Lenalee punches someone and THEY need ro apologize for upsetting her. She gets completely different treatment, merely because she’s “the girl” with a background of endured abuse. The problem is that people want to justify her shit behaviour referecing to said abuse or even claim that “she can’t be abusive because she is an abuse victim”.

Also “she is mad that he almost killed himself” umm you leave it out the actual problem, which is that Lenalee punched both Lavi and Allen and that is a very shit reaction, seeing how they did it to save her. Was it reckless? Yes, but they hardly had the choice. Besides she did the same when she went after Eshii all on her own so that’s pretty hypocritical. 

When Kanda is being an ass people call him out and no one tries to justify it or sweep it all under the rug “nuuu Kanda is an abuse victim, y u hate on abuse victims??” - when Kanda is canonically the most abused character. People recognise that Kanda was abused (in good case scenario) but no one tries to shift the blame to circumstances or at others. We all agree that yes, Kanda is an asshole, period.

Lenalee however always gets excused and rewarded for shit behaviour even when she shouldn’t be. Her hitting others is not “cute” or “empowering”. Feminism isn’t about having female characters who can fight or letting girls slide with hurting guys, it’s to be treated as an equal. Stop making her flash underwear. Stop having grown ass old men salivate after her. Let her be childish and bratty. Let her look tired, sweaty, beaten up and unsighty. Let her be human. Let her have arguments and learn about other people’s point of view. Let her make mistakes, get called out on her mistakes and fucking work to improve. Stop letting her get away with violence. Kanda is not excused from his shitty behavior and Lenalee shouldn’t be either.

oh boy… let’s go one by one i guess…

She means good but she is not the kindest one all the time. 

yes. that’s called being a human being.

But if I have to be honest.. I have seen her (physically) lash out on the other 3 main guys much more, than the main 3 guys at the others in the whole series.

I see how you crossed out physically and I’m confused as to why. Is it because you know the others have physically lashed out at each other and thus can’t defend your point if you include that? Or am I missing something here?

Anyway, Kanda has literally stabbed Allen multiple times & attacked his friends & said some pretty horrible shit so uh… gotta disagree here right away. I thought about this for .2 seconds. Lavi also literally almost killed Allen though you can say that he was brainwashed or whatever so it doesn’t count but still.

Lavi has indeed 1 time got very angry and smashed a window, but he did not hit her and immediately stopped yelling/calmed down when he noticed that everyone in the room looked at him. Other than that moment I don’t remember him getting angry or lashing out, most of the time when he does feel negative he stays silent.

Men getting angry and smashing things is not… uh… pleasant. Even if someone apologizes after shattering a window and yelling, it’s still scary. So, anyway, I find it hard to believe that you can brush this aside so easily when you’re being so critical of Lenalee’s anger.

Also, I assume that being a Bookman apprentice may have something to do with how silent and collected Lavi usually is. It’s almost like… he’s trained to be an outside, impartial observer. Lenalee has had no reason to learn to restrain her emotions like this, thus helping to explain their difference in reaction to anger.

Allen gets angry at times but doesn’t really lash out. For example he can be angry at Lavi for taking his food but doesn’t hit him or punches him so hard that Lavi can’t feel his body anymore. No he just pranks him back (like the wasabi scene in Gray Log). He does fight with Kanda, but that’s because he KNOWS that Kanda can take it, and Kanda doesn’t mind. Them fighting or sparring each other is the only real outlet they have without holding back.

So this is a recurring issue I see here where you’re hypercritical of Lenalee’s actions while brushing off the boys’ actions as harmless banter and fun. Not “punching him so hard that Lavi can’t feel his body anymore” does not negate the fact that they ARE STILL PUNCHING EACH OTHER. That is still PHYSICAL VIOLENCE outside of sparring. Furthermore, as someone who has personally used the “I know they can take it and don’t mind” excuse, it is bullshit and sometimes you’re hurting someone way more than you think you are. Besides, we all know all the exorcists can take a punch; they’re exorcists - that’s their job. Does that make it okay for them to get punched all the time because everyone knows they can take it?

Also here’s Allen “lashing out” and trying to punch Komui so hard that he bends what looks to be a metal clipboard

Yet they still respect each other and don’t cross each others boundaries.

This is kinda petty but like… just the fact that Lavi always calls Kanda “Yu” despite ALL the times he tells him not to is like… textbook not crossing boundaries AND disrespect. Anyway I’m sure there’s other examples but this is a long ass essay so I’m gonna move on.

Allen also NEVER gets angry at women, the only one time that he did was when he yelled at Lenalee for holding him back when the akuma was about to explode (their mission in Miranda’s town). Even after that Allen apologized for his behaviour yet Lenalee made such a big scene and said that his actions hurted her. She didn’t even brought him somewhere private to talk it out and even try asking him herself on WHY he wanted to save that exploding akuma? ‘’Why did you want to save it? We kill akuma’s so why trying to kill yourself for nothing?’’.. she never even tried to ask. She just made a whole scene in public and made Allen feel guilty for his action.

Uh….. have you ever had someone do something incredibly stupid that almost killed them in front of you? It is very difficult to hold back on screaming at them. You’re criticizing Lenalee for not considering Allen’s feelings when you aren’t even entertaining the idea of what she felt herself. Allen should feel guilty for his stupid actions; that’s what can prevent him from going on another suicide mission. Maybe it’s just me but not all guilt trips are bad lmao. There’s a reason we feel guilt.

Anyway, she didn’t bring him somewhere private because Allen was the one who started the conversation. This “big scene” she made didn’t even upset Allen, so I don’t see why you’re acting like this is abusive towards him. She’s upset in their conversation, yes, but did you actually read the words she said? She’s offering support to him while expressing her own feelings. People are allowed to be angry at each other; that doesn’t make them bad people.

Kanda is mostly all bark and barely bite. Which is a wonder because at the start of his life he always yelled at Alma and calls him out stuff but never punched him (except that one moment where they both fought each other until their limbs fell out).

BARELY BITE LMAOOOOOO how could you even say this about Kanda. Anyway even if you wanna believe he’s just bark, you can’t deny his bark is pretty damn painful for his friends sometimes. If you ignored my examples earlier about Kanda, here’s another one where he lashed out at his friends:

And later on he never hit/hurt or even yelled at Lenalee, from when she was a lil kid until now. Lenalee sees Kanda like his own brother. And you know how Lenalee handles her brother. She loves Komui but she doesn’t hold back kicking him so hard that he might get a concussion. And even though we have not seen her harm Kanda as much as Komui in the series, she does still hurt him, even if it is out of ‘’(sisterly) love’’..

Komui has literally put people’s lives in danger before so… yeah… I’m kinda with Lenalee on kicking him into a concussion.

and we know she doesn’t hold back against Kanda because she knows that Kanda is much stronger than Komui.

Isn’t it funny how this was an excuse for Allen to hit Kanda earlier in this post?

He has accepted every punch and kick and yell from her but never harmed her himself. Kanda never really hurted people. Yes he pushed/shoved people away hard or yelled or even threaten them with Mugen. But he never hit or actually cut someone down. And he does fight with Allen, but just as I wrote above, he knows that Allen can take it and they both don’t have to hold back yet they still respect each other and give each other space when needed.

I’m really surprised I didn’t see any disagreement in the reblogs of this post because HOLY HELL how can y’all not respond to this??? This post is inspiring me to make a “kanda is violent goddamn it stop babying your favs” masterpost.

And good on Kanda for not hitting Lenalee, but I’m pretty sure that’s because of the cultural “don’t hit women” thing rather than a “Kanda is not abusive UNLIKE Lenalee” thing.

AND Lavi even calls Kanda ‘’Yuu’’ even though Kanda told him not to call him that a million times.

Oh, so you do acknowledge that the boys disrespect each other too?

Even then Kanda never really hurts Lavi for that, he only yells at him and threatens to cut him.

I think most people would classify a threat as a hurt. Like does this ever happen in real life?:

“Ok, so I know you said you’re going to stab me, but you haven’t actually done that as of this moment, so I have no fear or paranoia that you are going to do exactly what you said and will continue my life as normal.”

And it’s a wonder that he never lashed out because of that, because his first name might even remember/trigger him too much of his past and he wants to leave his past behind. And speaking about his past, Kanda has also had a horrible one. Even worse than Lenalee. Yes she was kidnapped and taken by force. But she luckily has not been experimented on and she had protection of Jerry, the Matron, and probably even from other scientists and/or even finders, and got protection from Komui too when he joined the order. Kanda did not have someone to protect him. Yes Alma cared about him and tried to help as much as he could, and even some scientist cared about both Kanda and Alma.. but they also manipulated him and he was experimented on so horribly and so much. But even then. No one uses his past as an excuse for his bad behaviour. Even with all the horrible things Kanda went through, he still doesn’t hurt others. And he, and the fandom, never uses his horrible past as an excuse to hurt others or for it to be justified..

Geez… there’s a lot to unpack here.

1) You are literally using Kanda’s past to excuse his actions. You are that person. You did that right here with this paragraph.

2) Kanda DOES hurt people.

3) Kanda eventually had Tiedoll, Noise, Komui… It doesn’t erase the past but the fact is that he did eventually have people that protected him like Lenalee did.

4) Wow I wish people loved and protected me so much THAT THEY TIED ME TO A BED AND DIDN’T LET ME LEAVE WHILE I CRIED. Also how can you type “Yes she was kidnapped and taken by force” and then literally in the next sentence go “but luckily…” like ???? I’m sorry is this trauma not good enough for you??? Should we have seen a panel of her being literally beaten for her situation to not be considered lucky??? Also I think this panel does imply that she was denied water/food and/or beaten by those marks on her cheeks, the fact that she’s regaining consciousness (not waking up from sleep), and the lines around her mouth.

Yet for example down here we see canon material of how Lenalee is. Kanda did NOT want to model. If someone says no, it means no. Yet Lenalee is like a sister to Kanda and I know for sure that if she kept asking him to model a few times.. he would eventually say yes just so she will stop asking him. YET we see here that she obviously used such brute strength that it makes KANDA bleed from his mouth.. just to make Kanda do something he initially said no to. And I just don’t like this potrayel or ‘’girl power’’ or ‘’female empowerment’’ it’s not even ‘’cute’’.. it’s just horrible behaviour. There is a difference about comical relief and just straight up hurting someone so bad that they bleed and and have a hard time moving. And now imagine this. If Lenalee were a guy and Kanda a girl.. would this still be okay? Would this still be cute or ‘’sibling love’’? No people would lash out and say that male Lenalee is abusive to female Kanda. So why is the other way around fine? And also ask yourself this.. would you like or even accept to have a friend to hurt you so bad like this? Not really right..

No you do not know that Kanda would have said yes eventually. Kanda probably would have kept saying no. That’s part of the “humor” in this panel - getting Kanda to do something he’d never do.

Okay, so here is something you’re probably not going to like: the reason people find this humorous is BECAUSE it’s a reversal of roles. People think these kind of jokes are funny because “haha, a women would never be able to overpower a man and make a man do that.” It’s not female empowerment - it’s actually the opposite which is why this is a joke. That’s the context of the culture we are in that makes this panel a joke. If the genders were reversed, this would never be a joke outside of misogynistic media because most people recognize that it is a real life issue of abuse. Is this sexist and wrong? Yes. The fact is that this was still made as a joke and never intended to be a serious part of canon. Kanda being beaten up is exaggerated as well - do you really think canon Johnny would see a hurt and bleeding Kanda and just laugh about it? No. He would help him. God, do I really have to explain that this panel did not seriously occur as Kanda getting beaten bloody and then modeling as a result in canon?

And the other bad behaviour was when Allen was about to leave the order, Lenalee flew all the way to him and asked ‘’where are you going?’’ but when he said that he is going to leave .. she told him to stay? Like.. really? Did she really think that the order would accept him with open arms and be nice to him? No. They would call him out for treason and even tie and hold him in a much tighter and confined place where no one can ever reach him, or even (threaten to) kill him. She never really thought about that? She didn’t even say something like ‘’I respect you leaving and I understand.. but I can not follow you.. I can not leave my brother..’’. IF she atleast said something like that.. that’s just more realistic than begging him to stay for his death and then break down infront of him, in which he feels guilty about, and then ALLEN is comforting LENALEE. Allen is comforting Lenalee in a situation where Allen COULD DIE and tries to calm her down. And when he does leave she reaches for him and acts as if her whole world broke down. She didn’t even stand up and face him saying ‘’goodbye’’ and ‘’goodluck out there’’. No she just made Allen’s last memory of her a bad memory and this memory will fill Allen with guilt for leaving the order.

Oh… my… god. Seriously? I’d think this were a troll post at this point if so many people didn’t reblog this in agreement. Lenalee is being traumatized in that scene! One of her worst nightmares is coming true! Lenalee has stated multiple times that she doesn’t care about the world itself, that her world is her friends, so this is literally a part of her world crumbling away! She’s not being rational because that’s how people react when something horrible is happening! She’s in denial! SHE’S A CHARACTER WITH FLAWS!! NOT A THERAPIST!! It’s not a bad behaviour; it’s a natural response to an awful event! She’s not forcing him to stay - she’s bargaining, trying to see a way out of this situation where everything doesn’t go to shit. I cried when I read this scene because it was so emotional and do you know how much the mood would have been KILLED if Lenalee responded the way you think she should have? There would be no emotion! She’d just be a robot echoing the most utilitarian line of thought available in that situation.

Allen comforting her shows that he understands why she’s reacting the way she is. She doesn’t want to fight him; he’s one of her closest friends. Allen feels the same. BUT!! The story is a tragic one and they have to deal with that! Lenalee is still in denial while Allen has accepted it - he’s been forced to by his circumstances - Nea awakening, the Alma event, Apocryphos coming after him - and Tyki helped push him that last little bit he needed to get to that acceptance with that “teach those monsters inside of you who’s boss” line. Lenalee, meanwhile, has still been clinging onto the hope that Allen will never succumb to the Noah and thus has only just now really been hit with the reality of the situation.

Allen’s last memory of her was not a bad one! He understands why she acted that way! He isn’t guilty about it; he uses it to fuel his motivation to accomplish his goals. Lenalee is who he thinks of when he’s losing his grasp on what he’s suppose to be doing!

Even till now I have NEVER seen a posts about people calling Lenalee out for her bad behaviour or even called out her flaws. I have indeed seen people calling her a drama queen who cries waay too much (and even then you can see that they come from the kind of people who get annoyed at all female characters that cry) but even I find that stupid. Girls can cry as much as guys can and visa versa.

Honestly, I think you just haven’t been in the fandom long enough. Lenalee hate was all the rage back in 2007 and it resurfaces at least about once a year now.

But the whole fandom do call out all the male characters out on their flaws… They still love these characters and try to make content where they don’t ignore their flaws. They can bring out the best of them and also show their true flaws. The only female character I have seen from the fandom calling out her flaws is Road, but even then they call her a sadistic demon who loves to hurt others, and even this is over the top…

Uh…. you’ve literally said Kanda doesn’t use violence ever so I think you may need to do a check on self awareness. Don’t feel bad though, a lot of people excuse the stuff Kanda does. Anyway people say Cross isn’t abusive when he clearly is (should I discourse on that too?) & excuse a shit ton of stuff the guys do. Do you check out DGM fanfics? Those are always the worst offenders. The Tyki gets redeemed through good sex ones are always funny.

Honestly I wish more people showed Road’s sadistic side bc I love that part of her lol anyway moving on…

And even with Lenalee I have even seen people making fanart or even write fics normalizing Lenalee’s actual bad behaviour.. They accept her threatening her male friends (and never to her female friends) with kicks and hits or saying that if they don’t do as she says, that she will tell Komui that they did something to her or touched her inappropriately and that Komui WILL hurt them. AND EVEN THIS is not canon!? I don’t remember Lenalee saying something like this in canon yet some people make her worse by making her like this.

Exactly? Lenalee is not abusive, so why are you making it seem like she is? This post is part of the problem. If you want less fics about Lenalee doing awful things then why are you trying to convince people she is worse than she really is? I don’t understand what this paragraph is trying to say. Also, a lot of these bad portrayals of Lenalee is a result of sexism but that’s a whole other post.

There are only a few rare fics that actually potrays Lenalee as a good character without making her lash out or threatening the guys with either her kicks/fists or with Komui.. but still show her flaws. I have seen content where Lenalee is more like a human being with actual flaws and not some kind of goddess. And that’s the Lenalee I like more. A girl who is nice but does have flaws but still tries to be a good friend and does NOT hurt someone with her kicks or fists.

One of her flaws is about how deeply she cares about her friends while not caring about how it effects other people but part of this post was criticizing her for that so, again, I don’t understand what the goal is here. Non-problematic flaws aren’t really flaws, so I don’t get what you’re looking for. The fact is, Lenalee HAS hurt people physically (that’s what part of this post is about…) so that’s another “flaw” that is canon to include in a fic. The issue I have is that she doesn’t do it more than the other characters, so I don’t get why her violence is being emphasized over the other’s.

I just don’t like the Lenalee that threatens to hurt someone of they don’t do as she says, in canon or fanon, and don’t even call her out for it. (Or even threatens the guys with Komui.. by saying that she will tell him that they touched her inappropriately?? Again.. I have never seen her do that in canon yet so many potray Lenalee like this) You can call out a characters flaws and still love them. So many people in our fandom love all the male characters and accept their flaws. They still make content of them in their best but also show their flaws and sometimes even portay them better than canon in a realistic way.

Honestly this paragraph just makes me go “ughhhhh” ‘cause “sometimes [fandom] even portrays [male characters] better than canon in a realistic way” is so… ughhhhhh. I can only think of two authors I would apply this statement to without hesitation, and one of them has deleted their works & the other has hidden them. Fandom doesn’t accept the male characters’ flaws; they hide them, excuse them, or ignore them.

Why can’t people do the same with Lenalee? Don’t make her the softest and sweetest out of all of them, and then also make her the mother hen, and make her only cry and hurt the guys with her fists and call it ‘’though love’’ or even threaten them with Komui. But make her a realistic person who can be kind but can also make mistakes. Someone who might get angry too fast but then apologies after she noticed her behaviour AND that she was actually in the fault. Let her become angry and let her fight. But don’t make her genuinly hurt her own friends with her fists/kicks, and make them feel guilty by her tears, and say that she does that out of love.. There are a few rare Lenalee’s that fan artists/writers shows her more humanly and real without hurting her own friends and is even better than canon.

A fight isn’t real without someone getting hurt, physically or emotionally. Mistakes cause damage. Real people don’t always realize when they are in the wrong or even apologize half the time. These are bad things people do. They are normal things people do. The description you have here is of an angel, not a person.

But sadly this is with a lot of main female characters. I have seen so many female characters who get angry so fast and hurt their own friends so bad.. yet media shows this as ‘’girl power’’ and ‘’female empowerment’’. This kind of behaviour has been added for comical relief and has been normalized in media with many other series and fandoms that I might not even know of. You can still call out a characters flaw and still love them and sometimes even make better fanon version of them than canon.

I addressed earlier why I believe this behavior in female characters is actually based on a lack of female empowerment. Again, there is a reason this is seen as comic relief and not a serious threat.

And a little personal thing here, I will pretty much always go with a canon character over a fanon version of it. Fanon is fun to think about, but that’s that. When you say you love a character, people think of the canon version - they don’t know what fanon you ascribe to - so that’s who people think you like and support. Don’t give credit to bad writers by filling in the blanks yourself and acting like your “improved” version is the more real one. It also leads to really stupid fandom drama over who’s interpretation is better; surprise, surprise, they’re both wrong!

But I wish that canon would potray Lenalee much better instead of someone who gets angry too easily and hurts others too extremely. For either plot or comical relief.

These are the flaws you say you want in a character (Though I disagree with the idea that she hurts others too extremely). Flaws are flaws; you don’t get to pick and choose.

But I also wished that the fandom didn’t ignore her flaws and call her non-problematic. Lenalee does have much potentional. Yet we never seen any good plot or actual improvements of her. The only badass moment we got of her was when she was fighting the level3 akuma.. but after that she just.. mellowed down.. she promised that she will train and become stronger but we still haven’t seen any of that. And I don’t like it that Gray Log is trying to prove that she is actually doing something, when they don’t even show her trying to improve herself in canon/the manga. Show her actually training. Show her trying to find her way. Show her trying to do something for herself. Show her trying to get better and stronger. Show her as someone who tries to get better and notices her own mistakes and tries to fix them on her own.

It’s sad but the reason we don’t see Lenalee anymore is because of story flow. It would break up the momentum we have going if we suddenly cut back to the Black Order to check out how everyone is doing. I hope Lenalee becomes plot relevant again eventually because I do like her a lot, but I get why she hasn’t shown up more recently. (My personal favorite hope is that she goes on a rescue mission to get Lavi bc then we’d see that loser again AND have Lenalee action.)

Anyway, fandom doesn’t ignore Lenalee’s flaws - for the most part, they exaggerate it. There used to be a lot of discourse about how she does nothing but cry and be a selfish and awful damsel in distress. You probably haven’t seen a lot of this in more recent years because the topic’s been beaten to death at this point.

Oh god I was planning on responding to the next reblog too but holy shit I’ve wasted so much study time already… sorry but I’ll try to make the rest shorter.

Being angry=/=being violent, psychically or psychologically.

True! For some people it does manifest as violence because of bad self control, but you can learn to manage your anger and hold it in through self discipline or therapy.

Being angry is not bad, it’s human. You don’t decide how you feel. But you do decide how you react and Lenalee tends to be an ass to the people she loves and who love her in return and the main problem is that no one actually tells her that “you’re being an ass right now, stop it” becuase they want to “protect her feelings” and not “make her cry”??

I’ll just continue with my train of thought earlier and say that yes, she is an ass sometimes, and that’s one of her flaws.

I don’t think anybody needs to outright tell her she’s behaving badly? That’s pretty awkward for a conversation in a story. It just shows in how people get stressed or uncomfortable  or the mood changes around her in situations like that.

And yeah, you generally don’t want to make your friends cry even when they’re being mean.

Allen, Lavi and Kanda had expressed anger, yes.

But when Allen yelled at her he later apologized and he never lashed out on her again.

When Lavi snapped at her he was called out on it…He never lashed out at her again either.

When Kanda has actually been violent with that one finder in the begining he was called out on it…. he mostly just snaps at Lavi to not call him Yuu he never actually hits him or describe gruesome ways to kill him as fanon portrays, at tops he says he’d cut him, but actually never actually hurt Lavi.

Covered these earlier. Honestly, I don’t really see what this adds to what OP already said.

Even when Kanda actually SERIOUSLY hurt Allen (that could have killed anyone other than Allen), he was visibly horrified by his actions… it was still his responsibility … never tried to shift the blame.

Agreed for the most part but can you show me where he never blamed anyone else? ‘Cause I was just flipping through the manga to respond to this post and I found this while looking but didn’t notice what you said:

Lenalee however makes Allen publicly humiliate himself and it’s caring.

Uh… when?

The guys fight tooth and nail to keep her alive and because they are forced to take risks she is entitled to punch them and it’s played off as “Lenalee’s love”.

She fights to keep them alive too? Nobody said she’s entitled to punch them.

She punches Kanda feom drinking the Innocence out of her hands (when she is pretty much the most touch free person, especially with Allen),

I didn’t remember this happening so I fact-checked and uh? I only see her being shocked; where is the punch? Did it get shown in like a flashback or something and I forgot about it?

kicks Kanda with her bloody weapon because he didn’t want to model and it’s funny. Which, is fucking crazy because Kanda was never even remotely rude to her, he even treated her much different than the rest and people are ok with Lenalee kicking him so hard that he’d bleed?? Lenalee punches someone and THEY need ro apologize for upsetting her.

it’s played for laughs when Kanda calls her ugly too. It’s played for laughs when Bookman beats Lavi. It’s played for laughs when Cross hits Allen in the head with a hammer. A lot of the violence in the manga is played off for jokes; why is everyone so heated about this one with Lenalee? Why not get mad about all those other instances too?

She gets completely different treatment, merely because she’s “the girl” with a background of endured abuse. The problem is that people want to justify her shit behaviour referecing to said abuse or even claim that “she can’t be abusive because she is an abuse victim”.

I don’t know where you’ve seen this much justifying of Lenalee’s behavior. Actually, I still haven’t even seen an example of really horrible behavior pointed out outside of “she’s an ass sometimes” except for that stupid humor panel y’all keep bringing up.

Also “she is mad that he almost killed himself” umm you leave it out the actual problem, which is that Lenalee punched both Lavi and Allen and that is a very shit reaction, seeing how they did it to save her. Was it reckless? Yes, but they hardly had the choice. Besides she did the same when she went after Eshii all on her own so that’s pretty hypocritical.

I think I addressed part of this earlier. Also, hypocrisy is a flaw characters can have. Most of the DGM characters have a hero/martyr complex while getting mad at other characters for being the same way.

When Kanda is being an ass people call him out and no one tries to justify it or sweep it all under the rug “nuuu Kanda is an abuse victim, y u hate on abuse victims??” - when Kanda is canonically the most abused character. People recognise that Kanda was abused (in good case scenario) but no one tries to shift the blame to circumstances or at others. We all agree that yes, Kanda is an asshole, period.

I mean… in this post alone we have 2 people saying Kanda hasn’t done that bad stuff despite his abuse as a child when… he has hurt people too. You can say he’s an asshole, but then when you say “Kanda isn’t even remotely rude to Lenalee” and say that his fights with Allen are mutual spars and say that despite his threats he would never actually hurt Lavi, you excuse his asshole-ishness.

Lenalee however always gets excused and rewarded for shit behaviour even when she shouldn’t be. Her hitting others is not “cute” or “empowering”.

The fact that there’s been multiple fandom dramas over calling Lenalee selfish just shows, in my opinion, that her behavior does not get excused - it gets discussed a lot. And what rewards does she get? She’s been apologized to, but that’s not a reward. Being protected isn’t a reward either; the main four try to protect each other for the most part in general.

Girls hitting people = cute is sexism. The only way you can think it is cute is if you can’t see women as a threat. If someone thinks it’s cute, that’s not a positive for Lenalee.

Feminism isn’t about having female characters who can fight or letting girls slide with hurting guys, it’s to be treated as an equal.

UHHHHHHHHHHH POLITICS DON’T KILL ME DON’T MESSAGE ME ABOUT THIS I’M NOT DISCUSSING THIS HERE OUTSIDE OF WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY THIS IS MY SAFE DGM BLOG. Anyway there’s different branches of feminism; personally I’m in the equity not equality mindset given that equality assumes that men and women are going to be treated the same in society and have no different obstacles to overcome and have the same cultural and historical pressures blah blah blah this is not the place for this anyway pls understand that we are approaching this with different mindsets

Stop making her flash underwear.

Doesn’t Lenalee wear shorts under her skirts to prevent panty shots? Was there a panty shot I forgot about?

Stop having grown ass old men salivate after her.

Agreed.

Let her be childish and bratty. Let her look tired, sweaty, beaten up and unsighty. Let her be human. Let her have arguments and learn about other people’s point of view. Let her make mistakes, get called out on her mistakes and fucking work to improve. Stop letting her get away with violence. Kanda is not excused from his shitty behavior and Lenalee shouldn’t be either.

This part irritates me because OP and this response both end with the idea “let Lenalee have flaws and be bratty” but it comes after a rant about all of her flaws. Do you want a flawed character or not?

“Stop letting her get away with violence” bugs me because she’s not “getting away” with beating people. The thing is, the audience and canon doesn’t even take her hits seriously so there’s nothing for her to “get away” with. If her hits were played seriously and not for comic relief then yeah, she’d be getting away with violence, but that’s not the context of her behavior in the manga.

And I don’t get why you’re so angry about the idea that Lenalee doesn’t work to improve or learn about other people’s point of view? She’s done that multiple times in the manga, here’s just a few:

And seriously what the fuck? “People always find reason to hate on her” - why are you trying to associate some moral purity with loving Lenalee? Lenalee is just a character, a representation of certain values, she has flaws and makes mistakes and decisions one might not agree with, of course not everyone is going to love her?? Why are you trying to install guilt into people for pointing out flaws and saying “yeah, this is a shit thing to do” because wow, someone points out the problematic side of your fav. Get your shit together, Anon.

I think this a overtly defensive response to someone pointing out something they observed: “people always find a reason to hate on her.” You can disagree, but you gotta get why someone might say that, right? They’re not assigning moral purity; Lenalee just gets hated on more than the other 3 of the main four. I wouldn’t be surprised if anon was saying this because they were connecting it to how fandom is sexist a lot but I’m not gonna put words in their mouth so whatever. Even if it was just “people always find a reason to hate on her” at face value, that’s not even close to being a guilt trip.

I don’t give a shit if people hate Lenalee - hell, I had a phase in middle school where she annoyed the fuck out of me - but this post was just so BIZARRE to me. Lenalee isn’t more violent than the other 3 guys??? Out of all the characters you could call abusive and violent - Cross, Bookman, LEVIHOWTHEFUCKDOYOUSPELLHISNAME, maybe Kanda if you feel like upsetting a lot of people - LENALEE is the one who gets called out?? Like what. I just had to say something, especially since just, what, last month? there were a ton of posts going around arguing about why Cross ISN’T abusive.

Anyway, Kanda has literally stabbed Allen multiple times & attacked his friends & said some pretty horrible shit so uh… gotta disagree here right away. I thought about this for .2 seconds. Lavi also literally almost killed Allen though you can say that he was brainwashed or whatever so it doesn’t count but still.

Kanda stabbed Allen only once, when he surrendered to his anger yes, and he reacted violently whenever he felt someone intruded his personal space, yes, we pointed that out all of Kanda’s overreactions and the other character’s disapproval to that. 

That first time was due to miscommunication, because Kanda and the Order mistook Allen for an Akuma and thought he was going to kill everyone. It wouldn’t be the first time this happened, in Lavi’s reverse novel it was revealed that a finder, Doug became an Akuma too shortly prior to Lavi meeting Allen and Lavi was forced to destroy Doug to save the people of the Order. Also, seeing how the Order was on a cliff they weren’t incorrect to assume that anyone climbing their way up to a secret base is no ordinary human, of course he was deemed a threat.

Even if someone apologizes after shattering a window and yelling, it’s still scary. So, anyway, I find it hard to believe that you can brush this aside so easily when you’re being so critical of Lenalee’s anger. 

Lavi admitted his mistake and made effort to amend for his mistake. As I pointed out, he kept doting on Lenalee after that. The difference is that Lenalee rarely admits her mistake and the narrative rarely even implies that maaaybe Lenalee is in the wrong. Plus yelling and actual physical violence isn’t on the same scale, Lenalee yelled at Allen too. 

Lenalee has had no reason to learn to restrain her emotions like this, thus helping to explain their difference in reaction to anger. 

Jerry taught her how to behave like a lady. And again the emphasis is not on her feeling, anger, but her action, which is being violent. Not taking out your anger on others in the form of violence is basic decency.

So this is a recurring issue I see here where you’re hypercritical of Lenalee’s actions while brushing off the boys’ actions as harmless banter and fun. Not “punching him so hard that Lavi can’t feel his body anymore” does not negate the fact that they ARE STILL PUNCHING EACH OTHER. That is still PHYSICAL VIOLENCE outside of sparring.

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This is kinda petty but like… just the fact that Lavi always calls Kanda “Yu” despite ALL the times he tells him not to is like… textbook not crossing boundaries AND disrespect.

The very nature of the relationship between characters are entirely different.

Kanda and Allen both annoy each other because of differences in their personalities and often cause collateral damage and beat each other to pulp. But their relationship is not unbalanced, they give and take the same treatment. And to be honest, these two are the only ones to exchange blows.

Lavi and Allen both tease and prank each other. Lavi pesters Allen who is being a brat to him in return. During that fight in the Ark Lavi wasn’t even conscious, he was trapped in Road’s world, Lavi too later claimed that when he came to his senses everything was on fire. 

The only time when Allen actually kicked Lavi was when he intruded on Lenalee’s privacy saying that “she will have no boyfriend if she thinks about workout”. It was an overreaction on Allen’s part but Lavi did purposedly provoke Lenalee’s anger.

Kanda usually ignores Lavi, who in turn annoys him wanting his attention but Kanda actually never hit Lavi, at tops threatened him not to call him “Yuu”. While it is a breach of his boundaries, Lavi was most likely unable to tell; seeing how Tiedoll calls him Yuu, he probably thought Kanda was just embarassed; as the records of the Second Exorcist project were all destroyed by Fou, Lavi is unlikely to know about Kanda’s origins. Indeed, Lavi even if unintentionally harms Kanda but again, Lavi has no means to know that Kanda can be triggered, his harm out of ignorance is completely different from Lenalee’s deliberate desire to hit the boys.

With Lenalee however, all three of them are super respectful (aside from Lavi’s occasional sexist remarks). They are always there to comfort her and treat her gentle, and she hits them in return?? You can argue that Kanda is an ass, but again he is not an ass to her. If Kanda is an ass to Allen that’s their business; if Lavi pesters Kanda until he yells that’s their problem, not Lenalee’s personal failure to keep her dogs from fighting. She has nothing to do with the relationship of others.

Also here’s Allen “lashing out” and trying to punch Komui so hard that he bends what looks to be a metal clipboard.  

Komui purposedly scared Allen because he wanted to laugh at him. Allen’s anger and violent reaction, even as overreaction is pretty legit seeing how Komui wanted to make Allen the butt off a very mean joke. If Allen had some sort of heart disease or was prone to panic attacks this “joke” could have harmed him seriously. Small stuff, but there’s no data what material that clipboard was, mostly they’re cardboard.

Uh….. have you ever had someone do something incredibly stupid that almost killed them in front of you? It is very difficult to hold back on screaming at them. You’re criticizing Lenalee for not considering Allen’s feelings when you aren’t even entertaining the idea of what she felt herself. Allen should feel guilty for his stupid actions; that’s what can prevent him from going on another suicide mission. Maybe it’s just me but not all guilt trips are bad lmao. There’s a reason we feel guilt.

Even though all the above was annoying as hell, this is the most infuriating.

We feel guilt when we do something wrong, when we wrong someone else. Why do you act like Allen personally wronged Lenalee?!  

Bear it in mind that Allen doesn’t act like this because he enjoys it, merely because he is so damn mentally mutilated because of the abuse and trauma he endured that he thinks himself to be worthless unless he fights.

He went after an Akuma he knew he couldn’t defeat, that he knew would kill him, because to him being “useless”, dying without a meaning is more terrifying than death.

During his early childhood he was punished for being “useless” and later in the Order he was rewarded for being an Exorcist, he was loved for being “useful”. Not to mention that abhorrous cruse inflicted by the father he loved the most. Imagine how much that hurt. Of course he would think about himself like this.  Even if he admitted something bothered him he’d rather just swallow it, because he is terrified of being a burden. Even if Allen consciously knows that his friends wouldn’t abandon him and stop loving him, you cannot just stop a deeply ingrained mechanism like that.  That’s how mental illnesses work.

Even if she didn’t mean it, in that moment her message was that “your input doesn’t matter, you should do nothing that would upset me”. That was the a turning point in their relationship, when Allen decided he must always prioritize Lenalee’s emotional needs, even over his own life. Allen keeps comforting her but he never exposes anything about himself to her, he acts more like he was Lenalee’s parent than a friend.  

Lenalee of course didn’t mean to do this to Allen, but you can harm others even without meaning. It is part of living as social creatures. You still need to take responsibility and change. 

It might be difficult to hold back, there’s a thing called self-control. If one cannot exercise that then they shouldn’t be offended when they are called out, period.  

And even if we consider her feelings, there were many different ways to react conduct that scene. She could have said “I was very scared that I’d lose you and your violent reaction infuriates me” or “what if you died? we might not know each other for so long but you are already precious to us, do you know how painful it is to think that you might die?” just to name two. 

Even if Allen didn’t have or didn’t currently have a traumatic childhood himself, consider:

Allen is by no means responsible how Lenalee feels. He is by no means obligated to place her emotional needs over himself.

Everything is better than bloody guilt-tripping. It. Never. Helps.

If you want to prevent someone from suicidal tendencies then you have to help them find a meaning why to carry on living. Even if Lenalee wanted “good”, the execution was horrible, and that’s the problem. 

 You don’t solve a suicidal person’s problem by shaming them for their suicidal tendencies. You can’t solve any fucking problem by shaming people. Quite the opposite, you put an additional burden on them and make them want to die more. You just install anxiety in them. Jesus Christ, don’t ever say that, that is abusive. 

Anyway, she didn’t bring him somewhere private because Allen was the one who started the conversation. This “big scene” she made didn’t even upset Allen, so I don’t see why you’re acting like this is abusive towards him. She’s upset in their conversation, yes, but did you actually read the words she said? She’s offering support to him while expressing her own feelings. People are allowed to be angry at each other; that doesn’t make them bad people.

Lenalee basically kept ignoring and avoiding him until he apologized, even though yes, he was upset. And just fyi, studies show that being ignored is registered by the brain the exact same as physical pain.

“Research has shown that the act of ignoring or excluding activates the same area of the brain that is activated by physical pain.”: X, X, X, X, 

If she wanted to be comforting she could have just called him aside to talk about this in private, instead of having this out in the open which ultimately is paired with a feeling of shame, because this whole scene is on public display.

BARELY BITE LMAOOOOOO how could you even say this about Kanda. Anyway even if you wanna believe he’s just bark, you can’t deny his bark is pretty damn painful for his friends sometimes. 

Again, context.

Link might have wanted the two to stop fighting but he intruded his own views at Kanda. “You are a soldier of the Pope, act like it” - sure, Link who dedicated himself to his profession by his own free will that’s natural he thinks this way. But Kanda who was denied dignity in his death, forced to live again without free will or any memories, ripped apart every day so that he could be the Order’s tool? Of course he is furious! Just imagine someone telling Lenalee that she should be proud to be have been abused because a “holy” organization did it to her. She wouldn’t exactly fancy that person either. 

As for the situation with Allen, as a friend he did fail, but it is very human reaction to run away. He always did that and yes, it is both very selfish but also very human. Allen’s problems is not his responbility though. He cannot be expected to throw away everything because “Allen Walker” reasons. Being the sort of person he is, of course Allen thinks this is his fault, but that has little to do with Kanda’s attitude and more with the already mentioned mental abuse he endured.

Komui has literally put people’s lives in danger before so… yeah… I’m kinda with Lenalee on kicking him into a concussion. 

Then why do you bring up Allen punching him as bad?

Neither of them are in the right actually, Komui acts as if he owned Lenalee which leads to a lot of annoyance but kicking him off several levels won’t solve the problem. I just wish this gross part was left out of the story. But you cannot overlook it that Lenalee uses a freaking weapon that rips through Akuma to disciple Komui while Kanda and Allen only pointed weapon at each other during the fight at Alma Karma Arc where they both surrendered to their anger. Yes, they usually brawl and beat each other to pulp during training, but they both consent to that. Context and consent matters.

I’m really surprised I didn’t see any disagreement in the reblogs of this post because HOLY HELL how can y’all not respond to this??? This post is inspiring me to make a “kanda is violent goddamn it stop babying your favs” masterpost.

Now this is guilt tripping. Congratulations. 

And good on Kanda for not hitting Lenalee, but I’m pretty sure that’s because of the cultural “don’t hit women” thing rather than a “Kanda is not abusive UNLIKE Lenalee” thing.

According to the fanbooks Kanda treats men and women the same. The only one he makes exception with is Lenalee for some reason. No one said Kanda was unproblematic baby who never did wrong. He did shit things, he was called out on it and later he admitted it as well. That’s character development. 

I think most people would classify a threat as a hurt. Like does this ever happen in real life?: “Ok, so I know you said you’re going to stab me, but you haven’t actually done that as of this moment, so I have no fear or paranoia that you are going to do exactly what you said and will continue my life as normal.”

Kanda threatens he’d cut, but again, Lavi purposedly provokes him and actual stabbing never happened. 

1) You are literally using Kanda’s past to excuse his actions. You are that person. You did that right here with this paragraph.

2) Kanda DOES hurt people.

3) Kanda eventually had Tiedoll, Noise, Komui… It doesn’t erase the past but the fact is that he did eventually have people that protected him like Lenalee did. 4) Wow I wish people loved and protected me so much THAT THEY TIED ME TO A BED AND DIDN’T LET ME LEAVE WHILE I CRIED. Also how can you type “Yes she was kidnapped and taken by force” and then literally in the next sentence go “but luckily…” like ???? I’m sorry is this trauma not good enough for you??? Should we have seen a panel of her being literally beaten for her situation to not be considered lucky??? Also I think this panel does imply that she was denied water/food and/or beaten by those marks on her cheeks, the fact that she’s regaining consciousness (not waking up from sleep), and the lines around her mouth.

The whole paragraph was to show that yes, Kanda has his reasons to act the way he does, he was abused far worse than anyone in this series (with the exeption of Alma maybe) but that doesn’t mean he’s free from blame. He might have been abused but his actions are ultimately his decision. Lenalee too might have been confined and abused but she shouldn’t be granted leeway saying “she was abused that’s why she acts in such way”. The statement is true, but it shouldn’t be used to just sweep Lenalee’s mistakes under the rug. 

No you do not know that Kanda would have said yes eventually. Kanda probably would have kept saying no. That’s part of the “humor” in this panel - getting Kanda to do something he’d never do.

Okay, so here is something you’re probably not going to like: the reason people find this humorous is BECAUSE it’s a reversal of roles. People think these kind of jokes are funny because “haha, a women would never be able to overpower a man and make a man do that.” It’s not female empowerment - it’s actually the opposite which is why this is a joke. That’s the context of the culture we are in that makes this panel a joke. If the genders were reversed, this would never be a joke outside of misogynistic media because most people recognize that it is a real life issue of abuse. Is this sexist and wrong? Yes. The fact is that this was still made as a joke and never intended to be a serious part of canon. Kanda being beaten up is exaggerated as well - do you really think canon Johnny would see a hurt and bleeding Kanda and just laugh about it? No. He would help him. God, do I really have to explain that this panel did not seriously occur as Kanda getting beaten bloody and then modeling as a result in canon?

Why would you want to force someone to do something they obviously do not want, what the hell? Kanda is an incredibly private person who avoids people and interactions as much as possible, there’s no way he would have said yes out of his own will, ever. 

There’s nothing funny about this in either setting. I love Hoshino, but seriously, sometimes her jokes are just plain gross. If Lenalee wanted a model Allen was actually more than willing. Or she could have done it too. Even if for a joke, this was pointless and people only accept it because “Kanda is an asshole he deserves to be hit”, if it was Krory, Marie or Miranda no one would laugh. Again, you make it look as if Kanda personally wronged Lenalee because he didn’t want to obey.

Oh… my… god. Seriously? I’d think this were a troll post at this point if so many people didn’t reblog this in agreement. Lenalee is being traumatized in that scene! One of her worst nightmares is coming true!

All my hope is that this is a troll reply.

Allen was having the absolute worst moment of his entire hellish life. Neah was awakening, he was unsure wether Mana loved him, he was unsure wether Cross, annoying as he is but a very important part of Allen’s sanity, is alive or not, he just lost Kanda and Alma, realises Link’s loss while he is thrown into a dungeon waiting for his the execution he was sure to have, only to have Apocryphos come and try to erase him and then have Tyki tell him that he has no right to blame anyone because his own bad decisions led to just as much grief. Everything Allen loved was ripped away from him and his “meaning of existence”, his whole world was turned upside down with him having no one to turn to for help.

Yes, Lenalee’s reaction is understandable and human. She has the right to seek comfort. No one can expect her to drop shit, forget about Komui and her own goals because of Allen Walker reasons. But at the same time she cannot expect Allen to alwas be there for her.

In all honesty, Lenalee will be fine as long as Komui lives. Losing friends hurts but as she got over Suman, Daisya and the rest who were killed and Anita, she would eventually get over Allen. 

Also, the scale of loss are entirely different, she may lose a single piece but Allen lost everything again. In that moment Allen needed help more than any time ever and not worry about Lenalee’s feelings. In that scenrio it really should have been her offering at least some comfort. She later realises this too.

She’s not forcing him to stay - she’s bargaining, trying to see a way out of this situation where everything doesn’t go to shit.    

In indirect way she tried to make him stay. “If you leave we have to fight each other” and such. She was in denial, thinking that this was a Noah trap. But it doesn’t change the fact that Allen was exiled. Even if Allen went back on his own accord he would have been killed.

I cried when I read this scene because it was so emotional and do you know how much the mood would have been KILLED if Lenalee responded the way you think she should have?

How about let Allen have a moment of weakness and have Lenalee comfort him? Lenalee realising that Allen is a human too and can’t be always there for her because he has his own shit to tend to as well?

Allen’s last memory of her was not a bad one! He understands why she acted that way! He isn’t guilty about it; he uses it to fuel his motivation to accomplish his goals. Lenalee is who he thinks of when he’s losing his grasp on what he’s suppose to be doing!

Moments before Lenalee came Allen was ready to break down, you cannot just recover in a blink of an eye. Just because he understands it doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt. Just because he doesn’t admit it it doesn’t mean the sentiment is not there. Allen the one doing this to himself but suppressing hurts. 

And that scene in 222, Allen once again puts her feelings before himself. Not only this is harmful for him but it won’t fuel him forever. You cannot truly live living someone else’s life. Allen will need to find a reason to live for himself.

Honestly, I think you just haven’t been in the fandom long enough. Lenalee hate was all the rage back in 2007 and it resurfaces at least about once a year now.

That might be but that was literally a decade ago. And then it wasn’t exactly about Lenalee herself, more like that standard “this female character is sooo weak and emtional, all she does is cry all the time and moan the main character’s name and is nothing more than a love interest”. See: Haruno Sakura, Hyuuga Hinata, Inoue Orihime. 

This argument isn’t even about Lenalee being emotional or pointlessly bashing her for it, it’s about the things she did do and needs to be held accountable for.

Uh…. you’ve literally said Kanda doesn’t use violence ever so I think you may need to do a check on self awareness. Don’t feel bad though, a lot of people excuse the stuff Kanda does. 

Actually Choco said:  “Kanda never really hurted people. Yes he pushed/shoved people away hard or yelled or even threaten them with Mugen. But he never hit or actually cut someone down.” Not that Kanda is not aggressive and violent, but mostly with words and not to a degree that would incapacitate others. Physically he only brawls with Allen and Alma, who always stood up and fought back. Do feel bad for twisting words and shaming people for not wanting to start a Discourse.

Anyway people say Cross isn’t abusive when he clearly is (should I discourse on that too?) & excuse a shit ton of stuff the guys do. Do you check out DGM fanfics? Those are always the worst offenders.

Cross is not unproblematic and the fanfictions that depict him as such are few, more like the “Cross is an irredeemable asshole who only used Allen for his own gain” is dominant. He might be an excellent soldier but he is a massive asshole, never denied that. You forget that these fanfictions are mostly written by amateur teenagers and young adults, not to mention theyhave the right to interpret a character as they like. But fanon representation has nothing to do with this matter.

Again, you have to look at the chemistry. Is Cross hitting Allen and barks at him? Yes. And what does Allen do? Bite back, hit back, insult and sass. The point of abuse is to control one’s behaviour or convine oneself to be superior to others (which connects back to being in control). Cross doesn’t particularly care about that, he actually enjoys is when Allen is being a brat - his true selfish self that he keeps trying to suppress. Cross’s attitude seems to be more of a mix of Kanda and Lavi’s. If you say that Cross is abusive because he hits Allen and pesters him then basically you could say that everyone abuses Allen, Lenalee included. Who by the way would never be hit in return.

Exactly? Lenalee is not abusive, so why are you making it seem like she is? This post is part of the problem. If you want less fics about Lenalee doing awful things then why are you trying to convince people she is worse than she really is? I don’t understand what this paragraph is trying to say.

Lenalee does shit things in fan representation too, which actually stands closer to her flawed character. 

The problem is that canon and in general it’s played off as a joke because she is a girl and threats and violence from girls are not taken seriously. They are even portrayed as some courageous example, rather than saying that perhaps this is not the best way to treat people you claim to love and who basically worship you.

One of her flaws is about how deeply she cares about her friends while not caring about how it effects other people but part of this post was criticizing her for that so, again, I don’t understand what the goal is here. Non-problematic flaws aren’t really flaws, so I don’t get what you’re looking for. 

Caring for your own people more than outsiders isn’t particularly a flaw, more of an attitude, she might claim she is a bad girl but she has yet to actually harm others to save her own. DGM’s accent is on showing different behaviours and their consequences rather than trying to tell what’s right and wrong. 

The fact is, Lenalee HAS hurt people physically (that’s what part of this post is about…) so that’s another “flaw” that is canon to include in a fic. The issue I have is that she doesn’t do it more than the other characters, so I don’t get why her violence is being emphasized over the other’s.

Being quick to anger is the flaw. Hurting others because of poor anger management is a mistake.

The difference is that all the people she hits would never hit her back even if their life depended on it.

Honestly this paragraph just makes me go “ughhhhh” ‘cause “sometimes [fandom] even portrays [male characters] better than canon in a realistic way” is so… ughhhhhh. I can only think of two authors I would apply this statement to without hesitation, and one of them has deleted their works & the other has hidden them. Fandom doesn’t accept the male characters’ flaws; they hide them, excuse them, or ignore them.

I agree on the ughhhh, because there’s hardly anyone who is able to not reduce them to their flaws.  

Kanda’s violent side is magnified 90% of the time, Cross is just an irredeemable asshole and Komui is nothing more than a sis-com, the Noah are stripped from their human side and are nothing more than killing machines. Then there are actually fics where Lavi is????? Abusive????  

Still, yet again most fanworks are from amateurs so of course you can’t expect some mind-shattering character developments and deep instrospections.

A fight isn’t real without someone getting hurt, physically or emotionally. Mistakes cause damage. Real people don’t always realize when they are in the wrong or even apologize half the time. These are bad things people do. They are normal things people do. 

It is true that we make mistakes and may even cause damage, but we still have to live up to it. She needs to live up to it. Just because people don’t do it it doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be. It’s basic human decency. It is actually disturbing how you want to normalise Lenalee hitting people because she’s upset.

The description you have here is of an angel, not a person.

That is how Lenalee is described 90% of the time. Half of the cast sings about how “beautiful and strong” she is. 

I addressed earlier why I believe this behavior in female characters is actually based on a lack of female empowerment. Again, there is a reason this is seen as comic relief and not a serious threat.

Female characters don’t need to be able to fight or be professionals to be good characters. The problem is that authors are just scared to give flaws to female characters that make them more relatable and human. At the same time, authors hardly dare give feminine traits to men.Female empowerment is about appreciating feminine values and not have them portrayed as inferior to masculine. 

These are the flaws you say you want in a character (Though I disagree with the idea that she hurts others too extremely). Flaws are flaws; you don’t get to pick and choose.

Bruh. Just let them wish.

Anyway, fandom doesn’t ignore Lenalee’s flaws - for the most part, they exaggerate it. There used to be a lot of discourse about how she does nothing but cry and be a selfish and awful damsel in distress. You probably haven’t seen a lot of this in more recent years because the topic’s been beaten to death at this point.

Whenever someone says that “look, Lenalee doing this is not cool” the reply is “but the others are like that too!!!”. Two bad don’t extinguish each other. That’s not how it works. Every character has a problematic side and it should be accepted instead of denied.

Allen’s problematic side is that he is so focused on trying to save everyone by himself that he overlooks more efficient routes. In a way he hurt Kanda because he kept trying to make him forgive Alma when Kanda had every damn right to be furious. He tends to put his unrealistic expectations and ideals on others as he pursues some sort of justice for all but more often than not this hurts people, just as Tyki pointed out. Tyki asks him “do you have the right to make people suffer because you refuse to learn the truth and just pursue your own justice?” where he calls out on his mistake.

Kanda’s problematic side is that he angers too easily and ignores everything he doesn’t like and in extreme cases uses force if someone gets in his way. His question is “do you have the right to kill people for your goals?”. He admitted it too and now he tries his best to change.

Alma’s problematic side was that they wanted to kill Kanda regardless of his input.

Cross knows he is doing something horrible by asking Allen to give in and doesn’t try to deny it or ask forgiveness. 

Road is asked: “do you have the right to grief over how much it hurt you to lose your family when you rip families apart”?

Lavi is asked: “do you have the right to complain how humans kill each other when you could actually make an effort to stop it but you refuse to?” Road pointed the question “do you have the right to judge people for waging wars when you do the same?” to which Lavi did realise his own hypocrisy.

Zu Mei Chang and the Order is asked: “do you have the right to use humans as tools to save humanity?”

The same way, just as Lenalee questions if god has the right to make her fight: “do you have the right to blame the god who makes you fight when the god gives you power to protect the ones you claim to love?”

These questions cut deep, because they reflect on the good intentions that do more harm than good. All these forms of behaviours are human, and the point of this manga isn’t to evaluate them as right or wrong, it shows the unkind consequences of their decisions and actions.

True! For some people it does manifest as violence because of bad self control, but you can learn to manage your anger and hold it in through self discipline or therapy.

Something that’s in order for her.

I’ll just continue with my train of thought earlier and say that yes, she is an ass sometimes, and that’s one of her flaws.

I don’t think anybody needs to outright tell her she’s behaving badly? That’s pretty awkward for a conversation in a story. It just shows in how people get stressed or uncomfortable  or the mood changes around her in situations like that.

Her being an ass is not the problem, pretending she is a perfect angel who can do nothing wrong is. When Allen or anyone else is being an ass there’s always the context pointing out that “kids, don’t do this at home”, but not with Lenalee.

And yeah, you generally don’t want to make your friends cry even when they’re being mean.

Then maybe don’t hit friends who risk their lives to save yours??? And why is Lenalee’s feelings more important than actual lives??? 

Agreed for the most part but can you show me where he never blamed anyone else? ‘Cause I was just flipping through the manga to respond to this post and I found this while looking but didn’t notice what you said:

Kanda??? Realised his huge mistake almost instantly??? He was horrified???

Also??? He came back to the organisation that tortured him through multiple lifetimes to make amends??? He even wanted to have a conversation with Allen, where they settled things.

“Lenalee however makes Allen publicly humiliate himself and it’s caring.”  Uh… when?

She fights to keep them alive too? Nobody said she’s entitled to punch them.

That’s the bloody point we’re trying to make.

I didn’t remember this happening so I fact-checked and uh? I only see her being shocked; where is the punch? Did it get shown in like a flashback or something and I forgot about it?

Here you go, another omake about Komui going after Kanda for drinking the Innocence from her hands and Lenalee punching Kanda for it. Which again is hypocritical when you remember that she often breached Allen’s personal space.

it’s played for laughs when Kanda calls her ugly too. It’s played for laughs when Bookman beats Lavi. It’s played for laughs when Cross hits Allen in the head with a hammer. A lot of the violence in the manga is played off for jokes; why is everyone so heated about this one with Lenalee? Why not get mad about all those other instances too?

Wow, calling someone ugly is equal with being punched the more you learn.

I am mad about Bookman. Lavi might provoke Bookman but it is indeed overreaction, and it confuses me why Bookman is such an ass. But again, he’s another matter.

And again: different chemistry, different dynamics, different context.

I don’t know where you’ve seen this much justifying of Lenalee’s behavior. Actually, I still haven’t even seen an example of really horrible behavior pointed out outside of “she’s an ass sometimes” except for that stupid humor panel y’all keep bringing up. 

You’re probably not familiar with the “Lenalee can’t be abusive because she is an abusive victim” post. Lenalee is incredibly selfish alone just by hitting her friends because their actions upset her. 

I mean… in this post alone we have 2 people saying Kanda hasn’t done that bad stuff despite his abuse as a child when… he has hurt people too. You can say he’s an asshole, but then when you say “Kanda isn’t even remotely rude to Lenalee” and say that his fights with Allen are mutual spars and say that despite his threats he would never actually hurt Lavi, you excuse his asshole-ishness.

Is this the real life? Did you actually read this post? I keep saying that Kanda did bad stuff and that thankfully it’s not used to make him look like someone who never did anything wrong. He almost killed a finder out of wrath. He killed Alma. He let Allen get worse because he wanted him to hurt the Order from the inside. Kanda is not a character Who Did Nothing Wrong. The point is that he admits it and aims to change. Bringing up the dynamics was so point out how often the fandom exxagerates Kanda’s violence saying that he’s going to brutally slaughter Allen/Lavi depending on who pissed him off. The “he isn’t remotely rude to Lenalee” is to show that she really has no reason to hit him, because he always treats her nice.

The fact that there’s been multiple fandom dramas over calling Lenalee selfish just shows, in my opinion, that her behavior does not get excused - it gets discussed a lot. And what rewards does she get? She’s been apologized to, but that’s not a reward.

She is selfish tho? And that’s not necessarily a bad thing? If Allen was selfish he wouldn’t be in so deep in shit.  And being apologized to in that manner? Yes, it is a reward.

Girls hitting people = cute is sexism. The only way you can think it is cute is if you can’t see women as a threat. If someone thinks it’s cute, that’s not a positive for Lenalee.

Yes, the writing is sexist. Booking her violence as cute is sexist. 

Doesn’t Lenalee wear shorts under her skirts to prevent panty shots? Was there a panty shot I forgot about?

Sometimes I can’t even tell if she wears underwear tbh. (Even with the Eshii fight the size of her shorts kept changing???) Pretty disturbing when you remember that she is 17. Another sexist stroke in this story. I hope with the reserialisation this won’t happen. Sadly Road was subject to flashing as well (even if he is practically ~50 she still looks like 13 and I want to call the child services)

This part irritates me because OP and this response both end with the idea “let Lenalee have flaws and be bratty” but it comes after a rant about all of her flaws. Do you want a flawed character or not?

Her flaws are not the problem, it’s her mistakes. Flaws are not necessarily mistakes. You are not doing anything wrong if you are temperamental, it’s who you are, you can’t influence that. But you can control how you manifest these feelings and violence is bad. The problem is that the writing makes her do bad things but there’s no indication that this is percieved as bad. When you try to present someone as perfect hate happens. Lenalee did some shit things but not even the context implies that she shouldn’t be acting like this. The reaction is “you deserve it for upsetting Lenalee” not that “Lenalee, no”.

The thing is, the audience and canon doesn’t even take her hits seriously so there’s nothing for her to “get away” with.

Yes, there is. 

And I don’t get why you’re so angry about the idea that Lenalee doesn’t work to improve or learn about other people’s point of view

You take that out of context. “Let her have arguments and learn about other people’s point of view. Let her make mistakes, get called out on her mistakes and fucking work to improve.” –> Make Lenalee an antithesis. Treat her like a character with her own values and not just making her constantly worry about others and their problem. She wasn’t directly confronted with the Thirds or Link in this context but it would have been a lot better. And work to imrove is to work to not make the same mistakes again eg: not hitting someone when they upset her.

I think this a overtly defensive response to someone pointing out something they observed: “people always find a reason to hate on her.”

If you don’t follow choco-azelle you probably don’t know but there was a precedent to this post, the OP in a dgm ask expressed their problems with Lenalee and immediately got this ask in reply. If they put that out in the main tags or Lenalee’s, I’d understand the reaction, but this was only published on their private blog. But write someone anon hate because they expressed their opinion on their own blog? Now that’s intrusive. They could have just unfollowed, blacklisted or blocked them, what the hell is the guilt tripping for.

They’re not assigning moral purity; Lenalee just gets hated on more than the other 3 of the main four.

If you mean bashing the ratio is basically irrelevant. There are very few fanfics where Lenalee is an evil bitch who steals Kanda from Allen or something the like. When googling all I found was one long post from some dgm-allensexual 2 years ago and an anti club that’s actually quite dead. There are actually more posts about “why does everyone hate Lenalee” that are basically more salt-hinting than actually making a point. No one owes you to like anyone.

I don’t give a shit if people hate Lenalee - hell, I had a phase in middle school where she annoyed the fuck out of me - but this post was just so BIZARRE to me. Lenalee isn’t more violent than the other 3 guys??? Out of all the characters you could call abusive and violent - Cross, Bookman, LEVIHOWTHEFUCKDOYOUSPELLHISNAME, maybe Kanda if you feel like upsetting a lot of people - LENALEE is the one who gets called out?? Like what. I just had to say something, especially since just, what, last month? there were a ton of posts going around arguing about why Cross ISN’T abusive.

If it’s not a problem for you why bother a long essay like this?

Again, the problem is that the phsysical violence is one-sided. She hits and it’s ok because you upset her. She gets called out because this shit not is not ok either and as I said, two wrong don’t extinguish each other.

Cross is problematic yes. I guess people don’t give a damn about Bookman? He is pretty much the most violent. Leverrier is a scum of the Earth and he knows it too. The Cross defences I know of are my own and silver-wolves’.

^^^^^^ OP needs to shut the fuck up. Lenalee is bae. Go release your internalised misogyny onto someone else. I thought we were past the stage where we hate all female characters for being female, but alas.

Not admitting a female character’s flaws is just as mysoginist as hating female characters for being female. Which is not the case this time. No need for this fake sjw input.

Now that I broke this all down, a synthesis. 

The main problem around Lenalee isn’t her flaws, it’s the shitty mistakes she make and the narration around her. Even if she does marginally better than most female leads, there are traces of sexism and mysoginy. Even with all her flaws, it wants to wrap up her into some “Lenalee is a cute and perfect waifu uwu” portrayal as men shamelessly oogle her. An “innocent girl” who is put into some strange poses to deliver to the male gaze. She is called beautiful and strong so many times as if that was her only value as a human being or as a character with her own story? 

Authors often don’t dare to give unsighty “flaws” to female characters like horrible morning breath, a scar that would “ruin her beauty”, being selfish without being demonized for it. When they make mistakes they are either infantilized or demonized and it shouldn’t be like that. They have to be faced with the negative consequences of their actions and let them fix it. Let them have character development. Her represantation is not her fault, but it can distance you from her character.

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