a masterpost of everything I created based on this year's round of @twwpride prompts. featuring a variety of pairings and ratings, and 13,000 words of fic!
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EDITS:
creative partnerships web-weave
Marriage
Sam Seaborn x Toby Ziegler
die your daughter
Found Family
CJ Cregg & Leo McGarry
ballroom culture
Drag
Deanna Young
Deaf President Now
Subculture
Joey Lucas
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FICS: AO3 series link
bad decisions
Unconventional, M, 1600 words
Ellie Bartlet/Molly O'Connor
THE CASTRO, FRIDAY.
Press and Media, NR, 87 words
CJ Cregg/Andy Wyatt
the four horsemen
History, M, 1500 words
David Ziegler & Toby Ziegler, Toby & Ziegler Family
Me and My Husband
Lavender Marriage, T, 1100 words
CJ Cregg & Toby Ziegler, Andy Wyatt/Toby Ziegler, CJ & Andy
old friends of their fathers
Childhood Crush, NR, 100 words
Josh Lyman/Leo McGarry, Leo McGarry & Noah Lyman
Joint Session
Infidelity, E, 3200 words
Sam Seaborn/Toby Ziegler
Pardon me, is everybody there?
Comp-het, G, 100 words
Sam Seaborn/Lisa Sherborne
and nowadays it’s politics
Coming Out, T, 1700 words
Diane Frost & Toby Ziegler, Andy Wyatt & Toby Ziegler, Diane & Andy, past Diane/Andy
ain’t no winners in a game like this
Guilt, T, 100 words
Sam Seaborn/Toby Ziegler
confidant
Secrecy, T, 388 words
Ellie Bartlet/Andy Wyatt
hiding place
Hurt/Comfort, M, 100 words
Ellie Bartlet/Molly O’Connor
ten-foot chain
Kink, NR, 350 words
Sam Seaborn/Toby Ziegler
a kindling of sorts
Family Planning + Public/Private Lives, T, 2800 words
Jules Ziegler & Toby Ziegler, Toby & Andy & CJ, Toby & Josh
after the party
Single, NR, 100 words
Mallory O'Brien/Liz Bartlet
push and pull
Pride, NR, 100 words
CJ Cregg/Andy Wyatt
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Add Andy To An Episode: Emergency/Jail. Or any block of cheese scenario. I need her to send some people their way, any people. She can be behind the map makers even. She can select a group specifically for Toby to talk to. (Also, she gets a little excited hearing CJ and Toby have flirty banter)
She comes in with a tray of baked goods for Margaret specifically so that she can influence Margaret's choice for Toby's group. Bonus points if it's like the UFO guy (maybe something paranormal or with cryptids? A group fighting for the rights of Bigfoots? Andy is getting giddy imagining Toby's head slowly exploding) But also, she'd love the mapmakers--they make a lot of good points about who gets to write history/control information, don't they? And these maps are used in schools! She'd be so amused by CJ's entire worldview shattering, though. "What the hell is that?"
(She does get excited by the flirty banter. "You want to make out with me right now, don't you?" "When don't I?" She wants to make out with both of them actually. It's a problem. Maybe she's doing another IVF cycle, so her hormones are out of whack. Either way, she wasn't expecting to be this turned on, on Big Block of Cheese Day, of all days.
And/or, send her to the protest with Toby, have her watch him flirt with the cop but have her also make a lot of good points. Let him watch her in her element, talking to the protestors. Bonus points if he or she brings up protests they've attended in the past, him at Civil Rights rallies with his sisters, her at gay rights rallies in San Fran in the 80s. Both of them can talk about going to ACT UP meetings, albeit on opposite sides of the country. Bonus points if Andy was a founding member of an ACT UP chapter in either Maryland or Tennessee!
Finally, though? Andy and Sam, one of my favorite underrated and underwritten duos. Let Andy realize that Sam is really in a funk, and ask him about it. Maybe Sam tells her everything about his dad and the affair, maybe not. Maybe they can bond over fathers not living up to expectations, though if Andy's father died young, he never really got the chance to let her down, did he? And that's it's own complicated feelings on grief and guilt. Maybe she reminds him that his dad is still around to disappoint him, and she wouldn't blame him if he doesn't want to speak to his dad, but she also wouldn't blame him for wanting to. Sam might tell her as much as he's able to about his Big Block of Cheese project too and I know Andy would have thoughts on it! Just let them talk, I love them so much.
An extensive fandom meta post! Yes, the title is intentional!
Warning for blogging on my blog, and all the hot takes that entails. Also this is fucking long.
Core thesis: At this point, fandom has two main modes of operating.
I’ve decided to call them:
- top down praxis
- bottom up praxis
(har har)
Most fans don’t actually operate in 100% either mode and there are shades of gray within that I’ll talk about later.
My personal bias is that one is good for the longevity and closeness of its communities, and one isn’t. Or at best, it’s drastically changing how it looks, and, at worst, obstructing the other group. I’m going to explain why I think this below.
Basically, it’s similar to this comic.
A full breakdown of the nuances of how this comic applies is more for another post-- being a fan is not a marginalized identity in the way say, being another type of identity is, which is what this comic is likely about-- but I'll touch on some stuff later.
⚠️ Disclaimers:
Let me be clear. Neither top down nor bottom up is a more or less 'moral' way of doing fandom than the other. If anything, I think all parties involved could actually probably benefit from more of a mentality of ‘I like this purely just cause it makes me horny, actually, and that’s fine’— but that’s also for another post.
As a baseline, anyone can make what they want, at the end of the day, and also probably have different reasons for making what they make than I do.
This is more of a 'how do I enlist the inspiring way you think with your dick to my cause, my cause being inflicting maximum specific horny devastation upon fictional men via means so canonically convincing I can project it onto the screen of my brain theater’ type situation. More on that at the end.
Also, simply, there is some stuff I find irritating. And I'm trying to understand why it's happening.
With that out of the way, I’m arguing that top down fandom is more bland and annoying as a cultural practice than the alternative.
(And while I think it does make a certain kinds of community, I low key think the ones made by bottom up are stronger, more vulnerable, and more specific than those made by top down fandom, but that is definitely some heavy personal bias, so…. shrug.)
I'm writing this now because top down fandom is, imo:
Proliferating more widely/becoming much more robust due to social media and the increasingly convergent nature of fandom spaces on the internet
Shortening fandom lifecycles (or at least, the perception of a fandom lifecycle)
Kind of eliding the whole point of creating a FAN works, not just an original ones
Diluting the works of bottom up fandom with the aforementioned OOC work by producing it at a high volume and shaping fanon characterizations
My current fandom, The Pitt, is a fucking FASCINATING case study of all of this happening, especially points 3 and 4. I wrote a post about Daddy Dom Robby here for anyone who, for whatever reason, wants to read even MORE blathering, this time about how top down fandom has shaped a specific character.
Btw, I’m going to use the word ‘media’ a lot. Media = book, movie, TV show, play, webcomic, etc. ‘IP’ might be another way to describe it.
So what actually could top down and bottom up fandom be? Besides thinly veiled names??
My definitions of these modes:
⬇️ Top down:
Fans start at the level of trope (ex: enemies-to-lovers, arranged marriage, puppy play, D/s, omegaverse), then seek out media that fits that trope*
Community and conversation mostly around center tropes themselves, versus media; Media acts as a more superficial veil/vehicle for trope
Media also acts as a superficial vehicle for self insert— lusting directly after a character can be the only way of participating. The fan themselves is closely woven in as an innate part of praxis
Populated mostly by fans who are there BECAUSE of lowered barrier to entry; these are fans who likely would not be participating in fandom at all without its ease of accessibility. What they’re getting out of their fandom engagement would have been achieved by other means, or gone unmet
All of this results in fanworks that aren’t specific, IE, that you could swap the names for those of other characters, or make up your own, and it wouldn’t make a difference. This also means this praxis exists an interesting, enmeshed relationship with the booming romantasy fiction genre, which is increasingly selling to readers based on tropes
⬆️ Bottom up:
Fans are engaged with the media itself, with discovery of different tropes triggered while still within the story realm of the media. Community and conversation is around the media specifically
Following creators (fannish or original) from media to media, allowing for discovery of new themes, dynamics, and kinks
Typically, the fan themselves factors less into the fanwork, if at all (ie avoiding x reader stories)
Populated by fans who are tolerant of friction and barriers to entry because what they get out of fandom can’t be fully satisfied in other places; would find their way into fannish spaces/made fan works even in previous eras of fandom that were far less centralized
This results in fanworks that are very specific to the thing they are fan works OF; that if the names were swapped, it would be much harder to make them make sense without the source work
(Honestly if you’re an old man shaking your fist at a cloud right now about how 'things used to be different' you’re probably in this one)
Basically, why does a fan get into a given fandom in the first place, and once they're there, how long do they stay there? What is the longevity and complexity of their participation?
I argue that top down fans and bottom up fans look different.
Some questions you may be having:
*“But Softs, you’re ignoring that basically everyone in fandom has stuff that are patently Their Things and we all know it! We aren’t just blank slates waiting to get it up for the next Great Work that happens across our eyeballs because we can’t help but be blasted by its sheer genius! We have Preferences!”
Soooooo true.
I'll talk about myself as an example since I know that person best. I myself am an absolute carpetbagger for media where guys have weird relationships with their moms. SHRUG.
I love Dune. I love The Penguin. Friends who know and love me will even say ‘Softs, I think you’d really like this thing because a dude has a weird relationship with his mom.’ And then I watch it, and yeah, I do like it.
HOWEVER, to me, it’s what happens after that point that is really significant. Once that specific relationship has been explored, if I’m having fannish brainworms about the thing…. I stick around.
I’m, generally, sucked into the media as a whole. I’m sat for it. I’m learning about other tropes, pairings, emotional dynamics that weren’t that thing I came in for— the master key gene that unlocks the series of other gene expressions behind it has been activated, as my friend says, and I’m in. I’m trying to throw it back, mix it, and reverse that dynamic in new and different ways.
So, while I love Dune and The Penguin, and they both have weird mom-son stuff going on, I think my fanworks about those two things (and love of them) are VERY different.
I only have the clues of how top down fans operate via social media. However, this doesn't seem to be how this goes in that camp.
“But isn’t this just a thinly veiled argument about ‘well written fanfic’ versus ‘badly written fanfic??”
Sort of! There has always, always, ALWAYS been OOC fic out there. PWPs where it’s truly just barbie dolls mashing together with faces pasted on. This is innate to fandom lifeblood, and my boilerplate disclaimer reads as such. It is totally fine that it exists and I have enjoyed it. God knows I have CREATED it. However, I think this isn't quite the same, because of the context in which it's created.
The end result may look kind of similar, but one of the key points I'm trying to make is how in top down fandom especially, trope vocabulary, features, and storytelling conventions have started to develop a life of their own that exists metatextually outside of the media property itself.
Here's an example:
In a BU approach, the way puppy play as a kink is written in fanfic of the PItt will look different from, say, Supernatural. Fanworks with this kink will certainly share the basic features of what’s required (humans acting like dogs and probably having sex about it) but dynamics, vocabulary, and themes are mainly in conversation with other fanworks from that same fandom.
In bottom up praxis, the way writers do puppy play in the Pitt will look different from how writers do puppy play in Supernatural, because those media contexts are just so different.
In top down praxis, they'd look similar.
(How puppy play has been popularized and handled in the Pitt fandom as a case study of this is genuinely another post I want to write).
TL;DR, yeah, OOC fanfic is endemic to fandom, but top down fandom is a more widely reaching thing.
“So…..what’s to be done about all this??”
For bottoms (lol) who don’t want to deal with tops (lol), I’m sorry, but it’s on us to save ourselves from this.
We need to wall off our own gardens. Nobody else is gonna re-revert it. I just saw a post drifting around that was like ‘we need to make another AO3 but this one is new and secret’ and low key we can do that via open source tools, Mastodon instances, and other ways to basically re-divide up online spaces.
An additional method, which is partially the point of this post, is a bid to appeal to others (especially newer fans on the come up) to potentially help them see how rewarding it is to like. Go bottom up for the first time. SORRY I’m having too much fun with the silly names.
But, for real, have you ever experienced the absolute pure high of having that thing you want– that kink, that moment– but it’s ALSO in character and makes sense in conversation with the original text??? Which imo is why you create FAN works rather than original works?
Maybe they never, will because they do fandom stuff for different reasons than I do. But. Genuinely. It’s. A rush. It’s so good.
And it’s so so so worth the work.
(If you've made it this far.... I'd love to hear if this lines up with what you've seen of fandom spaces in the comments! This is my bid at gathering together my most cohesive thoughts on the matter, but there's still a ton to be covered. Thanks for reading.
cinema paradisco (1988)
once upon a time in hollywood (2019)
babylon (2022)
the fablemans (2022)
the dreamers (2003)
the shawshank redemption (1994)
la la land (2016)
hugo (2011)
amelie (2001)
o brother where art thou (2000)
the aviator (2004)
mulholland drive (2001)
say anything (1989)
on the beach at night alone (2017)
taxi driver (1976)
500 days of summer (2009)
notting hill (1999)
demons (1985)
leon the professional (1994)
blefast (2021)
in the mouth of madness (1994)
true romance (1993)
the purple rose of cario (1985)
show people (1928)
bonnie and clyde (1967)
the muppet show (1979)
gremlins (1984)
heavenly creatures (1994)
donnie darko (2001)
sullivan's travels (1941)
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SOMEHOW tumblr unfollowed you but don't worry, I have rectified the situation! (Either that or I accidentally hit unfollow without realizing, but either way, all is right with the world now)
omg i saw the notif and i was so confused!! why is the unfollow button so easy to press?
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"well... how do you think you know that person you were a second ago is the same person you are now? a continuous stream of memories. given only that, we all create illusions within ourselves, saying that we each have only one fixed persona."
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a long drive back - 1k, T
A cancelled flight, two strangers, a road trip, and only one bed.
snippet:
Close behind is the man she had just met in a Denver airport then spent seven hours in a rental car with. When they’d been waiting all morning in the cramped atmosphere of an airport gate about to give up all faith that their tickets would be rebooked any time soon, choosing to take the loss and split a long drive home had seemed like a good idea at the time.