immature techno-geek with moral autism

I was reading one story where the apocalypse was impossibly-rising oceans. Like, water is appearing from *waves hand* the Earth's crust or something, and literally all dry surface land on Earth is going to become underwater in X years. Part of the story was about a giant research project to invent FTL to send a few hundred humans to a nearby star which might have a habitable planet. You know what they were hoping to find? A planet with liquid water. Their plan was to descend from their starship and restart civilization using just the tools they brought with them, on a world with no life and no breathable air and the wrong gravity and the wrong temperate and the wrong sunlight and the wrong day-night cycle, just because it had liquid water. You know where else has liquid water? The flooded Earth you just abandoned. Instead of researching starship technology, you could have spent that time loading up all the same civilization-restarter tools into boats.

Also, "but that's my culture" is never an excuse to do something harmful! If you want to argue that eating meat isn't harmful, then argue that instead of trying to hide behind a veneer of social justice.

"What so you think humans are unique moral agents who are exempt from the natural food chain? Do you think it's evil for a lion to eat a rabbit?" uhhhhhhhhh do you NOT think humans are moral agents? Is "would a lion do this" a standard of behavior we're willing to accept in literally any other circumstance?

I agree that humane hunting and livestock rearing practices are not evil acts! But a) you need to fucking argue that point instead of acting like only a crazed evangelist vegan would expect someone to care whether or not their actions are harmful, and b) 99% of the people making this argument are NOT practicing humane hunting or farming, they're just saying "oh yeah? well what about humane practices?" and then buying their meat from factory farms that torture animals to death while destroying the environment.

Heme iron is found in meats (including fish, IMO edible parts of dead animals are meat) and in Impossible burgers. Non-heme iron is found in lots of vegetables and legumes and also in various supplements.

The human body is better at absorbing heme iron, with fewer digestive side effects. For some people, especially men, this can be a problem – it is possible to get too much iron. However, anemia is a very common condition.

Arranging the exact right circumstances can make non-heme iron easier to digest. But coordinating iron with a vitamin C supplement or vitamin-C-rich food and no calcium including in foods and no coffee or tea can be pretty tedious and also fail even if you try it. Heme iron is a lot easier.

(Yes, I listed Impossible burgers as a heme source. This is because Impossible Foods figured out synthetic heme … as a coloring agent, basically. They won't sell it as a supplement, and trying to get the RDV of iron from Impossible fake meat is going to be pretty darn expensive.)

I'll admit I mostly have dairy and the occasional egg product because of taste, though.

GASP!!! :0 KINDRED SPIRIT!!!

That is a can of worms I would LOVE to dive into, and shall give a shot at, though I'm unfortunately not as well versed in theology as I'd like to be. I'm knowledgeable in niche categories of faith, but never seem to be articulate when I wanna be lol

I've seen it discussed online before, but not by anybody Christian themselves I don't think. The church, religion, and chapter 4 in it's entirety are VERY heavily based on Christian churches, plus Catholic churches and general vibes.

The lack of altar, communion stuff, or implications of there being sacraments tells me this isn't specifically Catholicism based.

I won't speak on what denomination of Christianity it could be, because that's not my forte, and also I have no clue lol. I just know it lacks key things to be a catholicism allegory.

HOWEVER

to my knowledge, nuns ARE Catholicism exclusive (tasque manager in hometown chapter 5. pretty accurate + respectful habit, too!). Holy water and incense I'm not certain on, but I think they're at least more prevalent in Catholic churches... I think?

Noelle's name isn't just a christmas carol, but the fem version of "Noel" which the root word of is used to refer to birthdays or things about birth, and is in turn commonly used to refer to the birth of Christ.

And they also say "CHRIST"mas. Not Xmas

Which would have car-pope levels of implications, had we not already been told the monsters supposedly share the earth with humans

It's entirely likely the traditions and aesthetic carried over from Christians and Catholic humans in-universe, and hometown happens to have their own niche religion that borrows from their vibes.

I won't speak on what denomination of Christianity it matches closest to, because that's not my forte, and also I have no clue lol. I just know it lacks key things to be a catholic church with a different bible.

...wait none of this directly answers your question lol

ANYWAYS THAT BEING SAID

I think the Christmas thing may be 90% them committing to the bit. Their home doesn't have any of the Christ related symbolism of Christmas besides angels, but that's also a motif in the hometown religion as well-

so I think it's entirely likely it's simply borrowed from seeing it everywhere and going "hey our names sound like this holiday" and making it their entire personality

I think the Holidays in general maybe don't participate in the religion as much as they used to, and collectively stepped away after Dess's disappearance and Rudy being sick a lot.

I think Noelle however is going the other way- being very invested in her faith to cope, but possibly too hard.

Something like people having a lapse in their faith when a really bad accident happens, because they think they're being punished by God? That's the vibe Noelle gives off to me at least. Young child struggling to understand why something like this would be allowed to happen, and thinking it's somehow her fault, anxious depressive spiral :[ ough my baby my girllll she needs therapy

I suspect Carol doesn't attend church due to lapse in her faith, and her working with the knight kind of being in the opposite direction of what I assume the teachings of their religion entail. She strikes me as one of those people who doesn't practice what she preaches, and claims to be really devout in their faith but then turns around and is the biggest hypocrite in the world. Possibly internalized homophobia also.

uhhhh yeag :D!!! segue!!!

Holy water and incense I'm not certain on, but I think they're at least more prevalent in Catholic churches… I think?

It looks like they actually appear in a range of non-Christian religions. Some religions in the Wikipedia article on holy water are in fact just doing holy bodies of water like rivers and pools, but it looks like some branches of Islam and Buddhism allow for small quantities of water becoming holy by being blessed. The use of incense during prayer seems to predate Christianity.

I certainly agree that the Deltarune-ist church has a strongly Christian aesthetic, though.

I think the Christmas thing may be 90% them committing to the bit.

This makes some sense. It just seems weird to me, because I think of all of Christmas as a religious holiday, even the stuff with no obvious Biblical basis like Santa Claus as a red-suited man with a sleigh. Also, I think it would be pretty cool if the Holidays had an interpretation of Christianity and Deltarune-ism that allowed them to syncretize the two somehow. That doesn't mean your interpretation is wrong, though. One of my friends also argued for it.

It's entirely likely the traditions and aesthetic carried over from Christians and Catholic humans in-universe

I would expect Christianity to have some monster converts. Even if it started with humans, they'd be commanded to spread the good news and probably some monsters would convert over it. Monster Kid has what sure looks like a cross necklace, which seems suggestive.

ok, but when we care enough about these systems we put them in emulators or have people whose careers are handling legacy systems. we have emulators for stuff like Mac OS 9 and you can still go play games from the Thinkin' Things collection!

pieces will be altered or completely deleted, perhaps not necessarily by you or by even your own choice.