Me at Robespierre making one of the charges against Danton being a bad friend to Desmoulins, while he himself in the same moment is working on Desmoulinsâ actual indictment. đ
There is a trait of Danton which proves that he has an ungrateful and dark soul: he had highly recommended the last productions of Desmoulins: he had dared, at the Jacobins, to demand in their favour the liberty of the press, when I proposed for them the honours of burning. In the last visit of which I speak, he talked to me of Desmoulins with contempt: he attributed his deviances to a vice that is private and shameful, but absolutely foreign to the Revolution.
Robespierreâs notes against the dantonists
Later forwarded the following way in the act of accusation written by Saint-Just:
Bad citizen, you have conspired, false friend, you spoke, two days ago, badly of Desmoulins, an instrument that you have lost, and you attributed shameful vices to him.
I think this is him accusing Danton of being Ă opportunist who will sacrifice his friends for his own means Ă nd ends. (Yâknow fraternity) Which I highly doubt because he stuck by Fabre fairly strongly. I donât believe Robespierre here honestly. Iâm generally inclined to believe him sure. But it would be infinitely out of character for Danton to offer Camille up as some sort of sacrifice to save his own skin. I think heâd express frustration, sure. But the fact he Ă ) Stood by Fabre Ă nd B) tried to placate Camille to agree to Robespierreâs olive branch of burning. I just find it hard to believe the accusation here. He was probably frustrated with him Ă nd said something vaguely insulting Ă nd Robespierre took it Ă nd ran.
Mourn the response Danton may have had to this specific accusation. I know it would have been one for the ages. Iâm almost certain his words were taken out of context or misunderstood.
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The first known meeting between Robespierre and Danton is one we know about through the notes the former prepared against the latter, meant to serve as groundwork for the indictment Saint-Just was to write against him and his alleged faction:
I remember an anecdote to which I attached too little importance at that time: In the first months of the Revolution, finding myself at dinner with Danton, Danton reproached me for spoiling the good cause, by digressing from the line where Barnave and the Lameths marched, who then began to deviate from the popular principles
These notes, which were published for the first time in 1843, provide a lot of insight regarding all the things Robespierre felt about Dantonâs personality, actions and political views during the five years that followed. It is however hard to tell just how much of them are to be interpreted as what he truly felt as things weâre going down, and how much of them are afterthoughts he came up with once arrived at the conclusion Danton has in fact been a conspirator for a considerable amount of time.
The next connection Iâve found between the two is from June 20 1790, when both are recorded to have been present for yet another dinner, this one held on the anniversary and in commemoration of the Tennis Court Oath, together with among others Romme, Desmoulins, Charles de Lameth and Barnave. On December 25 the very same year Danton and Robespierre also both signed the wedding contract of their mutual friend Desmoulins, alongside twelve others. Only Robespierre was however present for the actual wedding ceremony held two days later.
Danton and Robespierre at first operate in different places â Danton at the Cordelier district and Robespierre at the Jacobin club and the National Assembly. In September 1790, Danton does however come to join the jacobins, where he soon becomes a frequent speaker. He and Robespierre often speak during the same sessions and on the same topic, such as on June 21 1791 where both swore to die for the homeland following the royal familyâs flight, and July 13 and 15 of the same year when both are involved in a discussion on the kingâs inviobility.
It is however not as often they are recorded to have mentioned the otherâs name. The first instance of this occurs on March 30 1791, after Danton has just scolded Collot dâHerbois for having inserted praise of a newly elected minister in one of the clubâs minutes while serving as secretary. According to him, someone part of the executive power can no longer be a friend of liberty, and praising someone like that is therefore only something slaves would do. Right after this, Robespierre does however step in, underlining that while he knows Danton to be a good citizen and agrees that it was wrong of Collot to insert praise, he thinks a person appointed agent of the executive power can still be a patriot. Something similar also occurs on March 4 1792, when Danton proposed the club reject a sum of 1445 livres to be donated to the soldiers of ChĂąteau-vieux, considering the fact 110 of these livres had been a gift from the royal family and accepting the money would mean honoring them. Robespierre opposed this, explaining that while âthere is something true and generous in M. Danton's observations, and these observations are not unworthy of his patriotism,â they should still accept the donation, as they need to focus on the bigger picture. He had his way.
In the big discussion of war and peace that started in late November 1791, Danton and Robespierre at first stood united. On December 14 1791, both of them cautioned against war and proposed the jacobins should follow the Legislative Assemblyâs discussion of it closely. Two days later, December 16, right after Brissot had held his very first speech in favour of the idea at the club, Danton, while praising the speaker as an excellent patriot, objected to the thought of a war right at the moment â âI want us to have war; it is essential. We must have war. But above all, we have to exhaust the means that could save us from it.â Then on December 30, after Brissot had just finished his second speech on the subject, Danton and Robespierre both demanded a change be made to a passage when it got printed. Following this moment, it would however appear like Danton abandons the question. From the notes Robespierre prepared two years later, we can suspect he felt a bit abandoned, as he there accuses Danton of having âsupported [the girondinsâ] opinion regarding the declaration of war. Then, pressed by the reproach of patriots, whose usurped confidence he didnât want to lose, he seemed to say a word for my defense and announced that he carefully watched the two parties and withdrew to silence.â Robespierre also claims Danton at the same time in a private meeting had told Legendre: âSince he (Robespierre) wants to ruin himself, let him ruin himself, we do not have to share his fate,â words which Legendre in his turn then had reported to Robespierre.
On May 10 1792, three weeks after war had been declared, Danton did however defend Robespierre when the latter got drowned in murmurs at the jacobins when trying to spek in favour about a motion to only let members who had payed their subsidy enter the hall:
I requested the floor for a simple point of order. The more I approve of M. Robespierre's motion, the more I believe a discussion of it would be worthwhile. M. Robespierre has never exercised anything but the despotism of reason here; it is therefore not love of the homeland, but base jealousy, indeed all the most harmful passions, that incite his adversaries against him with such violence. Well then, gentlemen, it is important for all of us to completely confound those who propose resolutions so egregious to the majesty of the people. (Applause.)
In the night between August 9 and 10 1792, the Tuileries Palace was stormed, and the following day Danton was made Minister of Justice. On August 14, we find the following letter from him to Robespierre (the first of two conserved between them), offering him a job at the Revolutionary Tribunal. As can be seen, it is written in a rather warm tone, though Danton still addresses Robespierre in vouvoiement:
I ask you, my dear friend, to do me the pleasure and to render this service to the public good, to accept a few hours of work per week in the council of justice of which I have appointed you a member. It will only be three times a week and for part of the morning that we will assemble. I have given you three colleagues worthy of you. This is not a position as a public official, but only one more way for your heart and your talents to fight the enemies of liberty and above all to follow the cause of the unfortunate.
Robespierre would however come to decline this offer, probably since he already was occupied at the Paris Commune.
Dantonâs reconciliation attempts had been in vain, as the hostilty between girondins and montagnards showed up almost immediately after the opening of the Convention on September 21. There, Danton, Robespierre and Marat were soon met with attacks of forming a so called âtriumvirateâ and having masterminded the September massacres together. They all denied this to have been the case. Danton and Robespierre did however come to adapt the same view of the massacres as a tragic neccessity, on February 4 1793 Robespierre is recorded to have â[recalled] what Danton said about the days of September 2nd and 3rd, and he proves that they were the necessary continuation of the memorable August 10th.â
They also continued to back each other up at the Convention and jacobin club. On September 25, Robespierre supported a motion put forward by Danton that proposed the death penalty for anyone wanting to destroy the unity of France. On October 28, he held a speech at the jacobins in which he called Danton â[a deputy] known for the great services he has rendered the Revolution.â After the speech was over, Danton, who presided over the session, ordered for it to be sent not only to the sister clubs but to âall interested parties.â One day later, October 29, when girondin Louvet came forward with a prepared denounciation speech against Robespierre, shouting âIt is I who accuse you!â Danton stepped in and told the president to âplease allow the speaker to continue, and I too will request the floor after him, it is time to sort all of this out.â Finally, in number 1 (September-October 1792) of his new journal Lettres de Maximilien Robespierre Ă ses commettans, Robespierre wrote that â[Dantonâs] talent is perfectly complemented by the strength of his voice and his athletic vigor.â
In her memoirs (1834), Charlotte Robespierre tells us her brother and Danton, while never super close, had âgood friendly relationsâ with each other, even if the big differences in their personalities meant they were held together only by âlove for the homeland.â Charlotte claims to have witnessed their discussions on several occasions â âthey conversed with a great outpouring of their hearts; their conversations almost always focused on the republicâ â and that the trial of the dethroned Louis XVI which started on December 3 1793 occupied them a great deal, with the two concerting âthat the monarch who had betrayed France with such perfidy could not enjoy impunity, and would receive the punishment for his crimes.â In his notes against Danton, Robespierre does however contradict his sister somewhat, claiming instead that Danton âdidnât want the death of the tyrant; he wanted that one settled for banishing him,â and that it was only the force of public opinion that determined him to on January 16 1793 vote for death regardless.
My dear Danton,
In this sorrow that alone can break a heart such as yours, if the assurance that you have a tender and devoted friend offers any consolation, then I give it. I love you more than ever, until death. In this moment, I am you. Do not close your heart to an expression of friendship that feels all your pain. Let us weep for our friends and let our deep grief defeat the tyrants who are the cause of all our misfortunes, public and private. I would have come to see you except for the respect in which I hold your first moments of grief.Â
Embrace your friend,Â
Robespierre
In February 1793, Danton went on a mission to Belgium together which Delacroix. They were back in Paris again by early March. On March 10, Robespierre praised their efforts at the Convention:
Remember, citizens, that the Minister of War was misled by the generals' dispatches; remember that if Lacroix and Danton had not come here to reveal important secrets to you, you would still be in profound ignorance of what was happening in Belgium.
In the same intervention, Robespierre asked for an act of accusation to be issued against Stengel, a general deemed responsible for the Austrian taking of  Aldenhoven on March 1. Right after him, Danton did however intervene to propose Stengel and another general only be sent to be held accountable before the Convention.
On March 26 1793, Robespierre and Danton were both elected for the so called Commission of Public Safety, alongside 23 others. The commission, which consisted of both fervent montagnards and fervent girondins, was however off to a rocky start, and already on April 6 it was put to death and replaced by the Committee of Public Safety.
On April 1, Robespierre accused the girondins of âwant[ing] to deprive us of all means of loyal defenseâ by âslander[ing] the patriots and blam[ing] them for all the attacks they are plotting.â He pointed to Danton as an example:
Danton was accused, a pretext was found to slander him because he was too credulous, because he did not take it upon himself to bring charges against Dumouriez, and attempts were made to extend suspicion to all citizens who shared Danton's civic spirit. I must also inform you that, at this very moment, rumors are circulating that the Committee of General Security has arrested Danton. You know with what superiority this patriot crushed his enemies. You know with what energy he uplifted all souls.
On April 10, about two weeks after Dumouriezâs defection, Robespierre excused Dantonâs earlier praise of the general, saying that âit is not surprising that an army commissioner could have been deceived for a moment about Dumouriezâs plans, whom he only saw in his official capacity, in the midst of his army.â Two days later, April 12, he praised him again at the jacobin club:
Danton spoke with a superiority of reason and eloquence that uplifted the spirits of all who heard him, and proposed infallible measures for the public good. Danton proposed placing a price on the heads of the Bourbons, the former Monsieur, and indeed all traitors; he requested that the question raised to destroy one of the most ardent defenders of liberty be referred back to the Committee of Legislation.
The day after that, April 13, Robespierre proposed decreeing the death penalty for anyone who wished to negotiate with the enemy, and was supported by Danton, who nevertheless also underlined this decree could not be given the âscope which its author did not intend to attribute to it.â He therefore proposed the decree state that âthe death penalty is decreed against anyone who who proposes that the Republic compromise with enemies who, as a preliminary step, do not recognize the sovereignty of the people.â This proposal carried through.Â
Robespierre says that new men, patriots of a day, want to lose the people's oldest friends. He cites Danton as an example, whom they slander; Danton, against whom no one has the right to raise the slightest reproach; Danton, whom they will only discredit after proving they have more energy, talent, or love of country. I do not intend to identify with him here to elevate either of us; I cite him only as an example.
In the middle of September 1793, Danton left Paris for his country house in Arcis-sur-Aube. Illness was the official reason, but according to Dominique-Joseph Garat, anguish over what was soon to happen with the girondins also played a role. In Memoirs of the revolution; or, an apology for my conduct, in the public employments which I have held (1795), Garat recalls going home to Danton and finding him sick. âIt only took me two minutes to see that his illness was above all a deep pain and a great dismay at everything that was coming. âI won't be able to save themâ, were the first words out of his mouth, and, as he uttered them, big tears strolled down his face.â Garat claims he later also went to discuss the upcoming girondin trial with Robespierre, who on the other hand showed no signs of mercy or empathy. In his own notes, Robespierre would indeed go on to accuse Danton of having âmade every effort in order to save Brissot and his accomplices. He opposed their punishment.â
I ask you to make your charges against him more specific. No one speaks? Well then, in that case I will do it. Danton! You (tu) are accused of having emigrated; they say that you went to Switzerland; that your illness was feigned in order to conceal your flight from the people; they say that your ambition was to be regent under Louis XVII; that at a certain date everything had been prepared for proclaiming it; that you were the chief of the conspiracy; that neither Pitt, nor Coburg, nor England, nor Austria, nor Prussia was our real enemy, but that you alone were, that the Mountain was composed of your accomplices, that we should not concern ourselves with the agents sent by foreign powers; that the conspiracies were fables that should be despised; in short, that he must be slayed.
The Convention knows that I have disagreed with Danton; that, at the time of Dumouriez's betrayals, my suspicions preceded his. I reproached him then for not being more incensed by that monster. I reproached him for not having pursued Brissot and his accomplices with sufficient speed, and I swear that these are the only reproaches I made to him...Â
Danton! Don't you know that the more courage and patriotism a man possesses, the more the enemies of the public good strive for his downfall? Don't you know, and don't all of you know, citizens, that this method is infallible? And who are these slanderers? Men who appear free from vice [sic], and who have never shown any virtue. Ah! If the defender of liberty were not slandered, it would be proof that we would no longer have priests or nobles to fight. The enemies of the homeland seem to heap praise upon me exclusively; but I reject it. Do you think that alongside these praises recounted in certain newspapers, I don't see the knife with which they tried to slaughter the homeland?
From the very beginning of the Revolution, I learned to distrust all masks. The cause of the patriots is one, like that of tyranny; they are all united. I may be mistaken about Danton; but, as a family man, he deserves nothing but praise. In political matters, I observed him: a difference of opinion between him and me made him scrutinize him carefully, sometimes angrily; and, if he did not always agree with me, would I conclude that he betrayed his homeland? No; I saw him always serve it zealously.
After Robespierre was finished, Merlin de Thionville picked up his suggestion everyone should say what they truly thought about Danton, hailing him as a patriot and saviour of the revolution. Other than him, no one else spoke up, and Momoro concluded this meant no one had anything to accuse him of. The session therefore ended with Danton getting drowned in applause and embraced by Fourcroy, the current president of the club.
Danton:Â Camille mustnât be frightened by the rather severe lessons Robespierreâs friendship has just given him. Citizens, let justice and cold-headedness always preside over our decisions. In judging Camille, be careful to not strike a deadly blow against liberty of the press
Robespierre did however reflect negatively on this intervention in his notes, writing that Danton had âdared, at the Jacobins, to demand in [the numbersâ] favour the liberty of the press, when I proposed for them the honours of burning.â
Robespierre mentions a different meeting in his notes against the indulgents, that would have taken place at his house and included him, Danton and the Convention deputy Laignelot, who kept âstubbornly silentâ throughout the whole interview. It is however less clear if this too was a planned meeting mutually agreed upon, or if Danton just unexpectedly showed up at Robespierreâs house. Regardless, Robespierre writes that Danton during this visit talked about Desmoulins âwith contempt,â attributing âhis deviancesâ to âa vice that is private and shameful, but absolutely foreign to the Revolution.â Danton also made an effort to cry, that apparently turned out to be âpowerless and ridiculous.â This could be the same meeting Convention deputy Duhem is referring to, when he on October 22 1794 told the jacobins that, âfour days before his arrest, Danton had another meeting with Maximilien about their conspiracy.â That would give us a date for this encounter as well.
Finally, Robespierre also threw shade on Dantonâs moral qualities, claiming he surrounded himself with ârascalsâ and tolerated âvicious living,â had quipped that public opinion is a whore and posterity a folly, that his most solid virtue was the one which he practiced with his wife every night, and that what rendered their cause weak was the fact that the severity of their principles frightened a lot of people.Â
Robespierre then handed these notes over to Saint-Just, who began constructing an act of accusation with the title Rapport sur la confirmation ourdie pour obtenir un changement de dynastie. After finishing the first draft, Saint-Just handed it back to Robespierre, who  annotated it and suggested some additions.Â
On March 30 1794, Robespierre, alongside seventeen others, signed the arrest warrant for deputies Danton, Desmoulins, Philippeaux and Delacroix. If weâre to believe the pamphlet à Maximilien Robespierre aux enfers (1794) by Taschereau de Fargues and Paul-Auguste-Jacques (who in their turn claimed to have gotten the anecdote from Committee of General Security member Vadier), Robespierre and Saint-Just had wanted the implicated men to be present in the Convention when the report against them got read, after which they would be arrested, fearing that arresting them beforehand was an approach that âsooner or later would be seen as reprehensible.â Their colleagues did however manage to convince that would be too risky of a move to make.
In the morning of March 31, as news of the nightly arrests started to spread, the deputy Delmas mounted the rostrum of the Convention and asked that the members of the two government committees be invited to immediately present themselves there, a proposal which was adopted. Legendre then followed, asking that before any report was read the four arrested deputies should be taken there as well so that they could explain themselves and be either accused or absolved by the Convention â âCitizens, I declare that I think Danton to be as pure as myself, and I don't think anyone can accuse me of an act that offends the most scrupulous integrityâŠâ When Legendreâs proposal was drowned in murmurs, president Tallien called for order, evoking liberty of opinion, and Legendre could keep talking, reminding the Convention of Dantonâs past services and warning them that they were making a mistake. Immediately after this, Fayau opposed Legendreâs motion, citing the fact one should not look at peopleâs past action but at what they are doing here and now. After him, Robespierre took to the floor and firmly cemented that none of what Legendre had suggested would be happening, and that this was âa question of knowing whether the interests of a few ambitious hypocrites should prevail over the interests of the French people.â Robespierre did not shy away from admitting he had once been close with the now imprisoned Danton, but that such bonds meant nothing once someone proved themselves to be an enemy (Moniteur, number 192, page 775-776):
In the tumult that followed when Robespierre a month later was himself overthrown, Billaud-Varennes  is recorded to have exclaimed: âthe first time I denounced Danton to the committee, Robespierre rose like a madman and declared that he saw my intentions, that I wanted to lose the best patriots.â (Moniteur, number 311, page 1272) Billaud did however not specify exactly when this denounciation had taken place, nor if he had suggested to actually arrest and execute Danton or just that the committee ought to keep an eye on him.
The famous claim that someone would have shouted âThe blood of Danton chokes you!â to Robespierre, whereupon the latter would have replied âSo it is Danton you want to avenge. Cowards, why didnât you defend him?!â does however, interestingly enough, not show up in any minutes documenting the session in question. According to 9-thermidor.com, its first attested apperence is in fact from a whole year later, when the pamphlet Histoire de la conjuration de Maximilien Robespierre(1795) attributes it to the deputy Garnier de l'Aube and has it go as follows: âYouâre not going to speak, the blood of Danton is falling back on your head, it flows into your mouth, it chokes you!â No alleged reply from Robespierre is included. The idea that some of Robespierreâs last recorded words were about Danton does in other words appear to be just as much of a myth as the idea some of Dantonâs last words were about RobespierreâŠ
Contemporary descriptions of the relationship that I could not fit in anywhere elseÂ
After his death, Robespierre left only a fifty-franc assignat and mandates from the Constituent Assembly which he had disdained to collect. Danton said of Robespierre:Â He is afraid of money.
Notes historiques sur la Convention nationale, le Directoire, l'Empire et l'exil des votants (1893) by Marc-Antoine Baudot, page 261.
Workplace situationship ended in divorce now everyone must suffer the consequences.
Just imagining ppl listening to Robs speeches that mention Danton post break up just like- âsave this for the couples therapy sessions, my godâ
Love the fact multiple people were kinda in the middle as far as their alliances went kept trynna set them up on lil dinner dates in Ă bid to mend burnt bridges.
DâAubigny also claims danton started off using the what is it- familiar âtuâ ? Pronoun before switching to the informal one during their little meeting. I donât understand the intricacies of the French language but I found that amusing.
All roads lead back to Fabre on this whole breakdown in relations I fear. Go hang out with people your own age FFS. I forget he was like 40. That man should have never got into politics.
Robespierre ripping into danton the most to me seems to come from Ă place of betrayal. I just think heâs too on the nose. Like heâs trynna CONVINCE himself of something not true. Also idk- potentially trynna prove something to the CSP. Prove his loyalty. Tbf I donât think they really HAD an alliance they sort of got pushed into eachothers arms by the Girondins. Same way Danton was all âI have never seen this man in my lifeâ when Marat started laying on praise for him Ă nd he was kinda forced into association with him by the Girondins.
I also note. If I can be bothered to track down my sources. That I know Lawday writes about Danton demanding Ă republic Ă nd Robespierre piping up with the question âwhat is Ă republic?â To which Danton, on this rare occasion, had no response. This was briefly before the champ de mars.
(heavily inspired by and based on j.c. leyendeckerâs painting âcouple dancingâ)
a ramble on some of the detailing and symbolism that some of you might be curious about:
itâs meant to be danton dancing with the ghost of his first wife, gabrielle, as she had unfortunately died young in 1793. but when it comes to the details firstly there are the small lily motifs which are meant to showcase the life and death cycle. the one nearest to danton is meant to represent how his death is nigh whereas with gabrielle hers is reversed to illustrate how she may have perhaps instead been reinvigorated of life in whichever afterlife she would be in (if you believe in that sort of thing). the delicate red motifs are similar where with danton, obviously, itâs a reference to his later execution- nothing specific with gabrielle, however. last thing to note might be their facial expressions as gabrielle is as serene as she could be whereas danton appears more complex and perhaps cautious or ever-so-slightly fearful as he maybe fearing for his own self when it comes to his life as he certainly knew what laid before him.
i hope you enjoyed reading that ramble! lol
some of these wips were already posted before,, but whatever:
OMG we finally finished chapter 4 omgggg it only took over a year đ A friendly reminder that you can buy vol 1 of Incorruptible here, both the print version or a pdf if you want to pay whatever price you want for it~
Also...lol a comment @anotherhumaninthisworld made before, made me wanna add this:
I wanted to add all the ways they f*cked each other over to end up in their end situations but...there is no room. Guess I'll hafta draw it all out in the comic lmao
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I didnât make the timer for this poll long enough but second highest amount of votes as of when it expired. Ăbt 29 to 27 is Ă good effort. Thanks to everyone who voted Ă nd made me feel better Ă bt my fave pairing being erased. Again. Because danton was Ă bad person Ă nd therefore can never be included in fandom discussion EVER!
I wrote some lore for my own twist on the whole vampire Robespierre concept Iâll make Ă post abt it soon I have more art. (Creds to @revolutionarywig for inspo how the actual fuck did those hats work, I just drew some bullshit)
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I chose to focus on one relationship. It doesn't mean I don't believe others existed. The reason I post about this one relationship is that many people, in 200 years, have sought to diminish, vilify, distort or erase it. Couthon was a close friend to them both, but also no one wastes ink to deny it.
(If I focus mainly on Ălisabeth Duplay-Le Bas, it's not because I don't care about other women who lived through the French Revolution or deny they exist, it's because I focused my studies on her.)
Reading through this Ă nd giggling bcs I canât stop thinking about when Danton Ă nd Robespierre had one of their awkward dinner dates Ă nd he started off using âTuâ but he was said to have switched back to âVousâ Ă nd i Ă lways imagine Robespierre giving him the nastiest blank stare đ. âHey Buddy!â ââŠâ âokay- not buddies, not my buddy- message receivedâ
Which is Ă case in point that it wasnât formal language lol.
Edit: someone tried to explain to me âvousâ was like- something you called someone- you look up to/see as Ă superior. Not to say danton couldnât grovel but kind of hard to believe heâd use subservient language? Ăt Ă ny rate it seems âTuâ was socially inappropriate for their relationship Ă t that time. Given the fact he seems to have dropped it quickly in response to Robespierreâs perceived cold reception.
"Vous" is actually much more complicated than that! This is the formal polite address for people you're not familiar with but some people might continue using it as a form of respect. Fun story: I use it with my thesis adviser and he uses it with me even though we've known each other for, well, almost 20 years now. đ We tried to switch to "tu" at one point but instantly dropped it because we're two poorly socialized awkward nerds. (In Quebec, using "tu" is much more common for gens X, Y and Z, unless you went to a private high school where they drilled you to use "vous" - like I did. France, however, is much more strict about the "vous".) That's one of the cases I meant in my other post when I talked about how it can be complicated. It can indicate a sort of polite distance between people, but upper-class couples used it for each other in the 19th century. I don't actually know all the specifics, not even on the late 18th century which I know more about.
Depending on the date (whenwas it? can I read the anecdote?), it's possible the "vous" was just more commonly used among people of their class and in the social setting it might have seemed out of place. Danton seems to be more easy-going, so that he would try to get familiar seems obvious with his temperament! Hence why Le Bas also seems more hesitant to use it, but even Saint-Just does at first when addressing Pichegru.
There's a letter from 1791 that Marguerite Chalabre (she only signs Chalabre without a "de" so it's possible she's dropped it by that time) wrote to Robespierre. While she still uses the "vous", her post-scriptum indicates: "You will approve that I have removed the servile customary forms." Now what she means is that at the end of her letter, she didn't add the (extremely annoying lol) phrase that usually goes "I am your most loyal, indebted, faithful, submissive servant" (I'm exaggerating but you get the point). I think it's super interesting to see how the formal styles of address and various titles or signs of status were progressively abandoned before we get to the very equalitarian phase of Year II!!
As for Saint-Just... well, like I said, everything about him is political (because the personal is political etc.) but he does have a genuinely friendly side: he just keeps it extremely hidden because he wants to be taken seriously and projects a certain image of himself. That's what I and others call his "mask" (aka his mask of marble and ice). You see it very clearly in Ălisabeth Duplay-Le Bas' memoirs: when he's alone with her, Henriette and Philippe Le Bas, he's very accommodating and friendly. The moment they arrive in Saverne though, it's serious business, and he becomes stern again. However, I would argue he's not necessarily being rude so much as not performing gallantry - he seems to be talking to the two young women the same way he would talk to young men. (I have one or two posts about that in my drafts.) Moreover, when the elderly Ălisabeth was shown the portrait Lamartine wrote of Saint-Just as someone cold who had drained himself of all feelings, she told her son that she did not recognize him there. In some ways, his self-propaganda was a bit too effective.
I have- now regrettably- left my book back in Queensland due to weight restrictions on my flight- Iâd finished it Ă nd logically just brought some unread books with me to Melbourne. I will leave some clues? If someone can help me. It was either the first or second attempt they had Ă t reconciliation. Sooo- March 1794? There was Ă dinner host, I believe it MAY have been their meeting in the Hamlet of Charenton. (Which I have written down but not the date or name of their host for god knows what reason) The host is the one to claim the use of Tu Ă nd Vous. But I cannot remember his name for the life of me.