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This person came into my PMs and is threatening to dox + silence fans of Vivziepop's work on behalf of myself and others, despite being told not to do so. They are encouraging harm against her fans and claiming to do so for me despite being told not to. Regardless of circumstance, I do not endorse threatening the life of others, be it through sui baiting, threatening, or doxxing.

There is absolutely zero excuse for such behavior, especially over online discourse that I have stated has not endangered me physically or mentally. If you are a fan of Vivzie's work, and get a PM from them, please block and disengage. Do not answer it. I cannot stress enough that I do not condone this behavior.

Disgusting? Yes, but I can’t say I’m surprised. I’d like to stay cordial, but her dismissal of victims time and time again (evidenced by prior outcry and my own experience) is disappointing. Even now, she’s on Bluesky, acting as though the joke where lack of consent isn’t rape.

https://www.tumblr.com/mhfkah/782297587795525633/there-are-people-on-x-that-also-called-me-a?source=share

Also this for more info on them:

https://www.tumblr.com/askhezureviews/778025026847916032/be-careful-with-whoever-sent-this-a-lot-of-other?source=share

But can't you see... it was the stolitz yoai slop slurpers the whole time.....

The fandom is horrible in general.

God bless you, I know that Vivziepop will never apologize but just know that there is still light in the world and to never lose hope.

-Sincerely, another SA victim who's sick of Vivziepop and JK Rowling's crap.

Thank you so much for the support. I'm incredibly sorry all that's happened to you :( harassment to that extent cannot be good on the psyche. It might be in your best interest to take some time away from this portion of the internet, passion be damned.

Hope you don't mind this question and sorry if it comes off as insensitive, it's to understand your pov: how would you have preferred Vivzie respond? Would there have been any other way she could have approached that that would have left you more at ease? How do you think she should have approached the redemption arc?

Hi there, sorry for the delay on this one. Had to think it over a fair bit. I thank you for the support, and love to hear the insight of other victims! As stated prior, take away what you want from this show— I will always prioritize the mental health and safety of those similarly affected. While I still believe it is harmful, I'm glad you can find comfort or enjoyment in something I personally cannot.

With that said, how should she have responded? If I'm frank, not at all. There is no reason you, as this large of a creator, should be responding back to targeted jokes online. I do not even have a fraction of her influence, and I can't think of a time I've blown up on a follower because they made a mean jab.

As for my genuine (albeit heated) critique, I'd have preferred just a simple PR response. Once you receive direct criticism from someone that personal, the best thing you can do is thank them for their insight, express sympathy, and move on. A simple 'I'm sorry that happened to you. Thank you for the feedback' would have sufficed. When you're this online directly as a creator of a popular IP, you need to step back and remove yourself from it. Criticism against your work isn't personal unless you let it be, and she is consistently allowing it to be by her immature replies.

-s0da_an0n-

Not exhausting at all! Thank you for the insight and support <3

I cannot wrap my head around closing yourself off from all venues of criticism under the guise of, 'oh well, it's my story, so what I say goes'. This sort of mindset only works if you are a novice engaging in a hobby with no interest in broadening your reach or improving your work. Once you have that sizeable of an (impressionable) audience, you can no longer disregard the opinions of people telling you your work is harmful.

If you have a platform, you need to consider what it is you're pedaling. You can and will be held responsible for your actions and choices made; this isn't exclusive to Vivziepop. Your fans look to you for inspiration and will lift ideas from your works. They aren't going to think twice about whether or not it's wrong because they idolize you and your body of work. I'd be going this hard on any other creator if they were making the choices she was.

It's just frustrating. You have younger, fledgling creators just breaking into the sphere taking harmful aspects from her work and running with it. There have been takes made in earnest about how Blitz' lack of consent was just, 'part of their game', and that Stolas came from the purest of intentions and is simply blissfully unaware of their class disparity!

Thank you tons! I'm glad you've found some solace in my rambles here. I do think it's important to document these things as I've never seen an online space (that claims to be a safe one) be so vitriolic towards victims who disagree with them. It needs to be preserved and remembered, frankly.

any thoughts on charlie's character design and her 15 colors?

If they're the incarnation of the Sin, then yeah, it'd be weird if they didn't also have the worst traits (like with Helluva Boss, it's weird that Beelzebub stops Blitzø from... overindulging because he's sad?). But if they're just the ruler of the Ring that shares those traits but not fully embody those (like when they're fallen Angels and not personifications of those Sins), then it can still fit.

Me and my friend have a set of Deadly Sins that, while there's definitely bad traits they each have (especially the 'big three', Beelzebub, Satan, and Lucifer), but they're definitely not JUST evil (especially since our version is more like Order vs. Non-order and not Good vs. Evil). They were once angels and rebelled not for power, so they're not just hateful and deplorable (they, uh, definitely don't have only good traits, though. Especially Beelzebub and Satan, with Asmodeus once being worse than he is nowadays. Lucifer definitely doesn't have his good moments either. I'd say the least bad is MAYBE Belphegor in our universe.)

Sorry for this rant, and sorry if it seems aggressive in any way, I just love rambling and get passionate about me and my friend's characters :)

Thanks for the input— sounds like your story's going well. The great thing about these stories is the fact it is all open to interpretation. Anyone can take source material (i.e. the Christian mythos and other Abrahamic texts) and turn it into whatever they’d like. However, as with all fiction, I expect them to abide by the rules of their own established universe.

It's been established that in Viv’s universe, there is no War in Heaven. The inciting incident that cast the other angels down to the fiery conflagrations we all know and love did not occur here. As such, the audience is left confused as to how exactly the sins got here under the assumption that they, too, fell. There is one line that could hint towards their plight, but that could just as easily be read at them referring to Lilith's formation of Hell.

"[…] I knew that guy before he was anything."

This line is said off-handedly by Asmodeus in S2, E7: Mammon's Magnificent Musical and Mid-season Special. This could imply that they knew each other prior to their speculative fall, but it could also just as easily refer to their time as fledging demons in the beginning of Hell's formation. No where in the writing of either show does it give an adequate enough implication that these demons are, in fact, fallen angels. It would make more narrative sense (in the world Vivzie herself has set up) for each respective sin to be hellborne. And if they're hellborne (which I stress makes more narrative sense here), why would they not be emblematic of their sin?

Each sin (excluding Lucifer) has no indicators in their designs that they were once angels. If we are operating under the assumption that they too were high-ranking angels, why are they so visually different from every other humanoid angel we have seen thus far? Lucifer and Vaggie stay relatively the same, save for a hue shift, so why would each sin be so radically different in appearance post-fall?

Even if they were fallen angels, and just fell at a different point in time, why would they be seemingly disinterested in Lucifer? The other sins don't seem to think fondly of him; why would they roll their eyes at his mention in Mastermind if they suffered the same fate?

Does this honestly read as respect for someone who aligns with your viewpoint that both systems are corrupt? Do they look like they're even remotely similar to the appearance of a once high-ranking angel akin to Lucifer? It seems more like annoyance at someone foreign to your world stumbling in, taking over, and proclaiming themself your new leader. It's incredibly confusing.

Overall, while working in a vacuum, them being fallen angels in this universe makes absolutely zero sense to me. If they fell for similar reasons to Lucifer (i.e. rebelling against Heaven's supposed corruption), why aren't they touched on whatsoever in Hazbin Hotel's picturesque storybook retelling of events? Why doesn't Lucifer vaguely allude to the other angels' falls when explaining to his daughter that Heaven is corrupt? Why are they so visually different than other fallen angels? There are so many questions that can be raised here... none of which are answered within the show(s).

This is why you cannot sacrifice establishing your world over serialization. Since Hazbin Hotel's first season prioritized its high-stakes story over proper establishment of its worldbuilding, we're left confused as to how this world operates, and how close this universe (and its respective spin-off) is to the original bible's mythos. I wish Hazbin Hotel's first season focused on the world and characters as opposed to a high-stake war on Heaven.

I'd love to be able to tie these two together neatly and logically, but I just can't. Helluva Boss suffers greatly from being set in the same universe as Hazbin Hotel, but that's my take on things.