RAW POWER: Raw Notes from My First Recorded Interview with Jim Stewartson, by Heidi Siegmund Cuda
For me, Twitter has been the best of times, and the worst of times. I have met tenacious angels from every corner of this earthâmany of whom have supported me in the last six months of my activism. And I have been hurt. I have suffered real world harms by online active measures. Like many things in life, itâs not a pure play.
So I made a point of meeting key people doing good work online in real life. I am happy I met Jim Stewartson. He is not only a talented OSINT investigative researcher, he is a good friend. And now, a colleague, as we cohost our investigative podcast together RADICALIZED Truth Survives, with our friends High Fidelity and Sean Conner. I created the show around these gentlemen, because they do brilliant work.
Lonely are the brave. Together, we are not lonely.
As I watch a dedicated active measures operation to discredit my teamâs work, focusing their online terrorism on Jim, I revisited the raw notes from our first recorded interview. Iâm glad I did. I can see why they try so hard to silence him: he was fucking right. And they should fear guys like him, who are all out of fucks as they try to save this country from harm.
Below are the unedited notes, so those who are real can see for themselves why Jim presents such a danger to the traitors who lurk among us.-hsc
Jim Stewartson Notes, August 3, 2021, from interview on July 31:
WORKING TITLE: Chaos and Trauma
Jim Stewartson explains the apocalyptic ideologues who created a brainwashed death cult. And what we can do to stop them.
HSC: You estimated about 30 million Americans arenât well in the head right now. And to put it bluntly, theyâre being mindfucked, whether willingly or unwillingly. How did we get there?
JS: To be clear, nobody gets willingly brainwashed. The bad actors we will talk about are absolutely doing things on purpose, but the vast majority of people who are in this cult are there because they got brainwashed, because they got trapped, they got traumatized, they got coerced, over and over and over again, through traumatic propaganda material, until they were literally another person.
Theyâre suffering from a dissociative disorder. Itâs a psychological disorder that is real as fuck. Itâs not pretend, itâs not science fiction. People get into a dissociative disorder that affects their personality. It changes them. When people talk about going to see grandma, itâs âWho is this person?â âWho the fuck is my wife?â âWho is my husband?â âWho is my daughter?â âWho is my neighbor?â The reason that it feels that way is because they are different people, because they were traumatized and disassociated, cultic influence through ideology was basically inserted into their mind, and then they were refrozen, so that all of those ideas, and all of that trauma and damage that happened while they were disassociated becomes imprinted on their mind.
HSC: Itâs critical we start viewing these people as victims/we have to stop taking a warlike stance against our neighbors who have been radicalized, and we have to view them as victims.
JS: Here is the problem and why this is so pernicious. I completely agree that they are victims, and we need to find a way to see them. The problem is the way cults are designed: they are designed to make you have no sympathy for them. Theyâre designed to make people as combative and enemy-like as they can (Jan. 6). Itâs their plan.
Whenever I tweet something about them being victims, you get a lot of angry people saying, âTheyâre not victims, what are you talking about?! Theyâre dumb! Theyâre just racists! And I completely understand. It feels that way, because theyâre saying stupid shit, theyâre saying racist shit.
And some of them may have been racist before but not all of them, not at all. Itâs really important to understand that those ideas are put into their head by the cult.
HSC: Itâs like invasion of the body snatchers.
JS: Itâs exactly like invasion of the body snatchers. When I first got started, I went back to Facebook to do some research, and I hadnât been on there in 18 months, and it was fucking invasion of the body snatchers, man.
Everybody was in some state of being affected by it. They were either in it themselves, or they knew people who were, their loved ones were. Or they were just freaked the fuck out. Everybody was saying all this weird shit. And that really cemented this whole thing for me. I was seeing it in the real world, and then I went back to my own connection to it, and said, âOkay, this is real as fuck, and someone has to start yelling about it.â
HSC: There is nobody that I know whose life is not being touched by this, and itâs incredibly important, and itâs so deceptive.
JS: Itâs why it upsets me when people push back. I have been attacked so hard for a year, by people who should not be doing that. Itâs amazing to see how people on all sides of the political spectrum act against their own interests. What are you guys doing? Why are you attacking me for trying to expose this? âAre you BlueAnon? Russia Russia Russia.â The free speech objections. âOh, youâre just trying to shut everyone down, they just think different then you. No, no, no.
Theyâre victims of a psychological attack, they need help.
HSC: Crazy making, itâs creating an unwell and sick in the head America.
JS: Steve Bannon said it himself, when all else fails, flood the zone with shit. That works. It doesnât even matter what it is, because he and the other people we are going to talk about really want to destroy the administrative state.
He means the entire project of civilization. He wants to burn it all down and build it back up with him in his golden tower.
(Jim explains his history, ARG, creating scenarios for good and for sport)
Two decades ago, I helped pioneer this thing called alternate reality games, which were fun. We would set up puzzles, and scavenger hunts, and online websites of strange companies and allow people to discover them, doing real world and internet archeology to find mysteries.
It was a very big thing in the aughts. It got huge amounts of press, and it was the quintessential viral marketing. We never said the name of the product, it was more like, âOoh, thereâs a weird URL in the Halo trailer, whatâs that?â And people would go and find it.
Halo 2, Microsoft came to us and said, âHey, can you do one of these games for Halo 2?â Sure, whatâs it about? âAliens come to earth and blow shit up.â We said, we can do that. We had a brainstorming session, came up with a War of the Worlds concept, where everyone comes in the middle when Mars is attacking and people think itâs real. We were like, âCool!â Letâs do that shit!â Sounded awesome.
Thereâs that moment: is it real, is it happening, itâs fun.
So we put a URL in the trailer, one frame: I love bees. And people saw it, and within a couple of hours we had a quarter million unique visitors on the website which in 2004 is a lot. And it was this Napa Valley beekeeperâs normal looking website, and all of a sudden this black box would come up on it and all this weird shit would happen.
And people were blown away. It started this nine month adventure where people would literally go out into the real world with GPS and find a location and a time and wait there, and when they do, a pay phone would ring, and it would have a little bit of what we recorded, a six hour radio drama set in the 26th century. We had tens of thousands of these little groups of people going out in the world, answering pay phones. And I built this system, where when somebody would pick up the phone, I would have an AI voice ask a question, and voice recognition on the other side would know if they answered the question correctly, it would unlock a piece of audio for everybody online.
Everybody online was putting the pieces together.
The thing that would happen is, if we werenât really clear where the puzzle was supposed to be, people would drive themselves crazy trying to find content that didnât exist. If someone thinks there's a mystery, they want to solve it.
So whenever we would see that, we would shut it down. We didnât want them to go crazy. Weâd put a boundary on it and tell them where to look, where the puzzle was.
We didnât want people to drive themselves crazy, we did not think that was a good idea.
(PokĂŠmon Go, I love bees for Halo was basically a proto PokĂŠmon Go. Youâre going into the world and trying to collect something. He worked at Niantic when PG was being developed)
So letâs fast forward to 2020, 28 years of experience, high school education, punk rock bands, only child, single mom, nerdy, independent, wasnât into anyone telling me what to do, was literally in punk bands for 20 years.
Bass player, I always wanted to do that, the nexus between the rhythm and the melody.
I was in punk rock bands, got a temp job moving boxes of womenâs clothing, 18 months later, I was VP of central planning.
I was good at math and could figure stuff out. I built a computer system to automate a bunch of stuff, and found out I was way more interested in the computers than the clothing. And so eventually, we had a kidsâ division 92, 93, I created some graphics, and showed them to our childrenâs designer, and she sold 20,000 of them to Mervynâs.
This is awesome! I donât have to do anything! I donât have to have a degree! I can just do computer shit. So I started my own graphics design company, and aside from a stint at Google, I have always run my own companies.
I got into VR in 1995, the only grown up job I ever had was Google, but Iâve run my own companies for decades doing virtual reality, augmented reality, alternative reality games, trans media, AI, all that.
(2020, what happened to Jim)
I knew about QAnon vaguely, I knew it was kind of like an alternate reality game, I was poking around at it a little bit. Then a friend of mine wrote a really important piece about how QAnon was exhibiting some of the characteristics of ARGs.
He was O.G. The Hon brothers.
I read those, and was like, âWell shit! Letâs check this out.â
I went there, I did what most people wonât. I immersed myself in what I call Qwitter. QAnon Twitter. All the QAnon people were harassing Chrissy Tiegen and going on peopleâs threads and creating all sorts of havoc.
In July of 2020, Twitter got pissed off about it and did a decent job of stopping people from coming into Normyville, but what they did was insulated all the QAnon people so that nothing but curated feeds from the outside world.
QAnon is a cult, a set of cults, that was created by a psychological operation that started in 2017. It grew out of a desire by a set of sociopaths and apocalyptic ideologues to destroy America from the inside out.
And they leveraged Trump and had free reign for four years to do whatever the hell they wanted. And they did. And they set up a very damaging psychological operation inside America to mindfuck, brainwash and ultimately weaponize a huge percentage of our population.
When we did it, if people started going crazy we would make them stop. QAnon does the exact opposite. Thereâs a psychological condition called apophenia, which is a condition you get if you are presented with a lot of noise, and there is no signal. Your brain wants there to be a signal. Your brain wants there to be a signal no matter what. Itâs a pattern matching machine. And so if you sit in front of a television set with snow on it, you will see stuff. For some people it will take a long time, for some people it will happen instantly. For those where it happens instantly, they are schizophrenic. Itâs literally a pre-schizophrenic state.
It allows you to be very easily influenced. So Q would set up these cryptic bullshit, Q drop clues on 8Chan, and people would invent all kinds of reasons for these drops, these bits of text and words, it really didn't mean much and that was intentional.
So Q, who doesnât exist by the way, sent people off to solve mysteries that didnât exist. People would get in this state of apophenia really wanting to find an answer. The trouble is, the content they were doing that in was traumatic, sadistic, and harmful propaganda. Child abuse videos, horrific adrenachrome child raping shit, all of that content was there, right next door, for the people who were trying to solve these mysteries to mire themselves in.
Thatâs the plan, thatâs what they did, to tens of millions of people. They said, hereâs a mystery, go solve it, and by the way, hereâs a bunch of traumatic material to go marinate in, while you look for it. And that is how so many people got brainfucked in America.
HSC: How sick or evil or greedy are the people who are producing this? Clearly, you're describing something that exists because some people knew how to weaponize and traumatize people with psychological operations.
JS: All of them are sociopaths or psychopaths. The reason for that is simple: you have to be in order to on-purpose design a system that is going to control the minds of people and harm them irreversibly, you have to not care about human beings. Thatâs the definition of sociopath. You donât care, you canât care. If you do, you wouldnât be doing this.
HSC: So Trump was a perfect vector for this to metastasize.
JS: Absolutely, a sociopath narcissist, it was all about him so he was easy to manipulate. His motivation is as obvious as it gets. Itâs just about him. But the people around him are different, Bannon, Stone, Flynn, Thiel, and Prince, they have bigger ideas. Theyâre ideologues. They genuinely feel what they are doing is great. It doesn't matter if they are destroying the lives and minds of tens of millions of citizens.
HSC: What is their objective or are there multiple objectives in weaponizing and traumatizing people like this? Obviously, Jan. 6 was a culmination.
JS: It was just a rehearsal sadly. The sociopaths who are really running the show are kind of strange bedfellows but theyâre also not. The ultimate goal, the shared project as it were, is the destruction of the concept of liberal democracy. Small L, liberal democracy.
They think multiculturalism and all the âwoke, sjw, racist, anti-Semitic all of that shit, is designed to destroy the reasons for liberal democracy. If you donât care about other people, if you donât care about other races, if you donât see there is good in diversity, then your project has to be to convince everyone that you are right and destroy the ideas that oppose you. And thatâs why they attack who they attack, and that is why they do what they are doing.
They want to destroy global liberal democracy and replace it with fascism and authoritarianism, because they believe that situation is the best for them, and they may be right. Because if youâre rich, king of the world, you donât need all these gaddam people, what do you need all these people for?
HSC: You just described a playing field why facts donât matter, weâre not penetrating with facts. We canât refute the insanity of this stuff with facts.
JS: If you dispute the facts that the cult has put in the head of whoever it is youâre talking to, you are automatically the enemy. You have just proven what the cult said. So you canât do that. You cannot argue somebody out of being brainwashed. Ultimately, you have to allow the personality that is still there, that is still buried underneath this fucking fascist zombie that a lot of these people have turned into, youâve got to give the original personality of that person some oxygen, and some room to remember who they are and to reassert their boundaries from this other trauma that they experienced, which it was it is, itâs trauma.
If there is this cascading thing that happens, once they kind of pop out, they look around and say, âFuck me, what just happened?â
HSC: Keeping us fighting against each other is a losing proposition and part of the game, they need to be seen as victims.
HSC: Who are the five apocalyptic ideologue.
JS: Flynn is genuinely a theocratic fascist. The shared project they have is destroying liberal democracy.
They have different reasons for it.
Bannonâs apocalyptic ideology is traditionalism, but itâs a special fucked up form of traditionalism based on a couple of old philosophers Evola and Dugin, they share a view and genuinely believe the world goes in cycles, and we are now at the end of the dark ages and the world needs to burn in order for the elites to rise and begin the next cycle. Itâs an occult belief system. Modeled somewhat on Catholicism and masonry and a bunch of other occult shit, but he believes it. Itâs his actual philosophy. Itâs the reason heâs so smug. He knows exactly what he is doing. He doesnât believe any of the shit he is saying. Heâs doing it in order to push through the apocalypse.
Big Lie, Anti-Vax, Epoch Times, Guo, Breitbart, Cambridge Analytica. War Room is on the same server as X22 Report, which is the largest QAnon account. 400,000 subscribers, Praying Medic, grifter, Jesus thing.
Bannon has been part of this thing from the beginning. He brings in a shitload of money. Heâs been in the Trump zone, while QAnon was being built.
To be clear, there is no Q. Q is a fake, Q is a larp. Q does not exist. Itâs like saying, who is the real Santa Claus? Santa Claus does not exist.
Q is not a person, itâs a project, it is an op. That went on for three years, but if there was a Q it would be Mike Flynn. Mike Flynn started talking about digital soldiers since 2016. Mike Flynn was in Trump Tower with all the people who fit it, who have all the money for all of the psyops, which the Mueller Report talked about. Flynn got fired three weeks after he began working as a national security advisor, six months after that Ezra Cohen-Watnick got fired and both of them specially went to work to create a psyop on America.
Heâs beyond treasony. Last week I found video of Mike Flynn in a church, getting an AR-15 as a gift and saying, I should go find somebody in Washington, D.C. Thatâs not treasony? Sounds like a threat to me.
HSC: Thank you for following this stuff. I am too weak of heart. I canât look at it. The media didnât credit you for finding that Flynn clip.
JS: They donât like me. Because there are bad actors in the media and surrounding zones that literally ran ops on me for a year, and still are.
If I have receipts on anything, itâs all of that.
Flynn is the worst traitor in American history.
This guy has been running a hot war on the United States and has captured a third of our population.
Stone has been a charming ratfucker, and heâs been working for the Russians and other foreign powers for 50 years. Literally since Watergate.
He has the most incredible string of bad shit he has done almost outside of anything you can think of who hasnât committed murder.
Heâs arguably worse because heâs hurt many people with the shit he has done.
Jason Sullivan Ron Watkins, Sullivan was Stoneâs Twitter guy, Stone is connected to Alex Jones, one of the worst propagandists. He helped organize 1/6 and has been in Trumpâs ear since the â80s. He doesnât have an ideology, heâs just a smart Trump. Heâs just a scheming little fucker. Heâs a sociopath. At this point, heâs just an old ratfucker.
Peter Thiel does not have an ideology other than Peter Thiel. Heâs a psychopath, a legit brilliant psychopath. Capitalism propels sociopaths, if you have no regard for human life or health itâs a superpower. You have an entirely different set of options than most people.
So while everybody else is trying to save the world, Thiel set us his entire life to short the world, in investment parlance. To make a bet on the world devolving into chaos and pain and death.
Palantir, Clearview, Facebook for that matter, they all benefit from chaos and vitriol and destruction.
He wants the world to burn because itâs good for business. The reason heâs into sea steading, he thinks heâs going to be on an island in the ocean, cuz everything else will be burning. Thatâs his elitist paradise and heâll lead everything else to the battle.
Dude is a fucking psycho.
On Trumpâs transition team, his CTO was Thielâs chief of staff.
Thiel also funded Maga3X which was the group that started QAnon.
So if you want a direct line, there is it.
Erik Prince is a fucking Nazi.
(Tells the story of Thielâs priest Opus Dei mentor father Arne Panula at Stanford, who became head of the Catholic Information Center, Opus Dei and Knights of Malta, K street lobbying firm Leonard Leo, that whole thing was put in place you the guy who had a weird relationship with Thiel in college)
They all have their roles, Flynn is the psyops guy and the general, Stone is the sneaky ass ratfucker who will just do anything, he doesnât give a shit, Bannon is the guy who brings the billionaires along and runs the enormous targeting and propaganda operations, Erik Prince trains everybody and executes specific targeting operations, he had training centers in WY NC and VA, he trains physical troopers, but he trains psychological terrorists who started and operated QAnon.
(RNC 2016 is when they were all together)
PsyGroup did data collection and surveillance at the RNC,ever wonder why Republicans acts like theyâve got kompromat.
Live Action Role Playing, Q is a LarpâŚ
Patriot 27 Storm is Upon Us⌠LARP, not an identifiable human being.
Louise Mensch is a LARP humanâŚ
She was the 18th person that Rupert Murdoch followed, sheâs an opâŚ
They set up factions to war against each other
She fought against right wing friends and the goal is to get everyone radicalizedâŚ
Itâs the same five white men who are running all of it
What do we do about this? Arrest them! For trying to overthrow the country. It seems like a crime, arrest them. Or commit fraud on the entire country. There are so many crimes. RICO. Itâs a legitimate conspiracy to mindfuck the country and mindfuck the world to destroy liberal democracy.
It all goes back to misogyny. Gamergate was started by Fred Brennan on WizardChan, then it went to 4Chan, and what it was was a fake critique of female, woke, SJW gamer, and the people who support them.
(It was to denigrate woman who were trying to do good in the world)
Yes, Zoe Quinn, who was the target, and still is the target, created a game about feminism and misogyny and they saw an in. They targeted her and picked on her, since 2013.
They grew the issues and just churned on it, until all these gamers, and 4Chan denizens were all pissed off about it. And Fred Brennan, when it got too intense and too violent, he literally started 8Chan to take all the Gamergate people to that platform.
Ron and Jim Watkins offered to buy 8Chan.
Theyâre the worst websites in the world, uncensored anti-Semitic misogynist where trolls go to be radicalized.
From this Gamergate metastasized into the alt right.
Fred Brennan wrote an article in Storm Front in favor of eugenics, Storm Front being a straight up Nazi website and Milo from Breibart loved it. He loved all the Gamergate shit. He saw these radicalized people, which was basically his job. So he started covering Gamergate for Breitbart and Steve Bannon saw it, and likely thought it was the best shit heâd ever seen and there are many quotes from him saying if it wasnât for Gamergate we wouldnât have had Trump.
Itâs a very clear simple progression. You have this angry set of white repressed, threatened, incels (involuntary celibates) that generate all of this hate, and basically get siphoned off through Breitbart and Richard Spencer through all these diffferent vectors into straight up white nationalism.
So thatâs why we have all these fucking Nazis.
(I tell him broadcast news nazi vs punkvoter story. How when there would be a ratings sag, Iâd be asked to scrounge up Nazis, instead I delivered ratings with the Rock Against Bush/PunkVoter tour)
JS: This is not that. There is a new thing that happened in late 2020 and 2021. Thereâs a Nazi explosion. I can show you on Telegram there are millions. Telegram was operated out of Russia and now its Pavel Durov in the UAE with Erik Prince.
(He shows me the racist and Nazi postings, strewn throughout his trauma video, violence, all trauma violence. All the time. Anti Semitic Nazi âŚthis is one of hundreds of these channels. This is one of the bigger ones. All of these are nazis.)
HSC: How are you able to do this work without infecting your own soul?
JS: It does, of course it does. It hurts, it sucks. When I started this, I knew it was gonna hurt, I knew it was gonna suck. But I got the callouses to deal with it. Thatâs fundamentally what it comes down to.
Itâs hard man, especially when youâre seeing this shit and trying to do good in the world, and you get attacked by people who you expected to be your friends.
This shit is hard, Iâve been in the fetal position a lot of times.
Thereâs also something really obsessive about it. I know that if I spend another 15 minutes looking through these channels, Iâll find something that people should know about, like the Mike Flynn video.
I think itâs important that someone is documenting it, as more things happen and we have to look back to see how we got here.
To radicalize people into a cult, you used to have to bring them to a compound, or kidnap them like Patty Hearst, they kidnapped her and worked on her for months, until she finally was indoctrinated. Itâs almost impossible for people to resist real serious coercive trauma programming. It goes to the origin of the word brainwashing by the Chinese Communist Party in the â50s. You used to need a compound like Waco, very close constant access.
The internet changed all that. 2020 was this perfect storm, the pandemic hit and now suddenly literally everyone in the country is home all day long.
That was the rocket fuel for this thing, and it came at just the right time, and the cult was already there, it was already radicalized but when the pandemic hit, thatâs when I saw shit really start to take off.
We have to get serious about cutting off these bad actors and propaganda outlets. Forget about Fox for a minute, which has been doing this shit for 30 years, we have OAN and Newsmax beaming into our living rooms, on our cable. These are straight GRU propaganda. What the fuck is that doing on our TVs? Why is that on our TVs?
Why should I be able to turn on Newsmax in my living room or my kid or my wife or grandmother?
We have to get fucking serious and understand what these things are. They are literally there to support this psyop. Thatâs what they do. OAN is a psyop validator, the entire purpose of it, same as Newsmax, they just put this bullshit out into the world to strengthen these operations.
There have to be fucking consequences. I did a map on the top 20 people on QAnon and nothing has happened. Nothing has ever fucking happened.
Until we start arresting some of these fuckers, itâs just going to get worse.
Putin is deeply behind this. Everything in QAnon is Russian propaganda. All of it. The top three heroes in QAnon, Trump, Julian Assange, and Vladimir Putin.
QAnon is supposed to be so patriotic, but the enemy is Putin.
What I mean by fuck the norm is the lack of seriousness that the Democrats and others are taking the destruction of our government.
A lot of our government is still run on norms, and Trump destroyed all of that. Because he didnât give a shit. And now weâre back in there and weâre trying to do bipartisanship and trying to go through all these processes that used to work, they donât fucking work anymore. Get rid of the filibuster, pack the court, do what it takes to save this gaddam country because if you donât weâre done here. So thatâs what I mean by fuck the norms. Stop worrying about powdered wigs and collegiality and start getting serious.
(Pedo Q is code for dehumanizing)
JS: Itâs always projection. Trump obviously has a pedo problem in his orbit.
(Thielâs adrenochrome company)
In the real world if you're in a store and 50 Nazis come in and start harassing you you can call the cops. When youâre on Twitter and your just doing your thing and suddenly 50 nazis come and attack you, you donât have shit.
And hereâs the thing, itâs just as psychologically damaging as it is in the store. Itâs not any different.
You have all these rules in the real world and the digital world used to be a reflection, take a picture of it online. Itâs not like that anymore, it hasn't been like that for a long as time. If your character is assassinated online, youâre screwed. And we need to start paying attention to it as if itâs the real world because it is. Itâs as real as the real world. Itâs no longer a reflection of the real world in some ways its the other way around,
January 6 is a reflection of the online world. Not the other way around.
I donât think most people understand what happened.
All the dying people in the hospital are because of this cult.
HSC: If we donât start arresting the Big Five, what's next?
Follow me on Twitter, if you have information let me know. I made the decision to not make money from it. I tried to set up a group on Twitter to do some work and we got attacked.
Right now, itâs just about getting information.
I have three boys, three kids, and I donât want them to live in a fascist hellscape. Itâs basically that simple.
For some reason, Iâm good at this. Iâm terrible at a lot of things, but Iâm good at this.
I donât see how ignoring it is a responsible pathway.
Turns out, it was right-wing coup.-hsc
(Below, our first meeting, July 24, 2021. We recorded the interview above a week later.)