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if i start calling you goonwatcher from now on will that get me permanently blacklisted from hive

Not blacklisted, but Im not comfortable with the name at all 💔

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#Gaehive #hiveblr

I keep reposting things meant for my main blog to here ☹️ It’s confusing since this username used to be the username for my main

mikuzoid

recently atari made a post about not liking people lumping the managers together as "the managers" but brook is encouraging the lumping of "the curators" and "faccfc" and making them out to be enemies, and seems to have the intention to "gossip" when matt, a new manager, said she did not "side with" the managers but whateverrrr whatever. idk its just so odd.

m00nwatcher127

Please ask for context from managers before posting stuff like this, because there is literally a normal explanation. Matt doesn't have tumblr or discord or any of the offsites in which all of this stuff happens, so Matt literally just didn't know about what's been happening the past few days. And so I said that we need to like, fill her in.

mikuzoid

that was more of something i tagged on with less thought. i was trying to explain the fact that there is an exaggerated divide? idk it came off as really weird to me especially with how youve said certain things are "because youre a manager" and with the fact many curators are also not in on things, or many curators are "on the managers side". i dont think the. sides are as black and white as that. i dont hate all the managers. i dont love all the curators. i dont support evrrything or hate everything either does. i havent posted about like bo or xen or xy because i myself do not have issues with them and am really neutral on how they manage the studio? im really disoriented right now and kind of just posted because that in that moment bothered me and that is kind of what i do with this account

mikuzoid

also ajax isnt a manager why does ajax need to be told if the case is just managers need to be filled in

m00nwatcher127

It was a comment I replied to without thinking too deeply into it. Won't happen again.

I'm confused on how what Jace said is relevent. Ajax is a friend of Jace's. Jace can tell Ajax how he feels about his manager position if he wants. Things can be shared with friends. Ajax also isn't even on the studio anymore

I'll be so fucking real, I'm tired of every comment and every reply I make scrutinized, speculated and talked about in the hiveblr tag. If it is that concerning, please just bring it to us directly. Because it just leads to words getting twisted and misunderstandings

#Yes this isnt worded well yes I know that yes i dont know how else to word it #So ask if you need anything clarified

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mikuzoid

recently atari made a post about not liking people lumping the managers together as "the managers" but brook is encouraging the lumping of "the curators" and "faccfc" and making them out to be enemies, and seems to have the intention to "gossip" when matt, a new manager, said she did not "side with" the managers but whateverrrr whatever. idk its just so odd.

m00nwatcher127

Please ask for context from managers before posting stuff like this, because there is literally a normal explanation. Matt doesn't have tumblr or discord or any of the offsites in which all of this stuff happens, so Matt literally just didn't know about what's been happening the past few days. And so I said that we need to like, fill her in.

hfhmjfyuhgtygh

!! trafficking + rape + suicide mention !! be warned ⚠️⚠️⚠️

the double standards placed on the managers are actually insane. brook calling himself a dictator is bad, but it's totally fine if people call him netanyahu or compare him to any other dictators. you can compare the studio's management to REAL horrible events with no consequence, but the managers joking about fake situations is awful. having matching epstein profile pictures is fine, along with many other horrible people, but having presidents as your profile picture is bad (to be clear, i don't think either is okay). in that same vein, it's okay to send us uncensored torture, cuss us out, and tell us to kill ourselves over doing something that hurts you due to what you experienced, but when i as a victim of trafficking & rape get upset about turning epstein into a joke i'm being unreasonable. and i dare anyone to act like they "weren't minimizing his actions" by having a profile picture of him, because i have screenshots of someone else with their name set to "epstein island system". since setting your name to "dictator" is minimizing actions, so is that. there's so much hypocrisy and if the managers were the ones doing the things you're doing i GUARUNTEE you'd all be calling for our demotions. if i were to tell someone to kill themself i'd be unforgivable and everyone would want me to step down.

also, none of you know us. you don't know our experiences and you don't know if we can "relate". there are people on the management team who have had similar if not the same experiences as you. there are people on the management team who have been raped, and tortured, and have families involved in war and genocide. don't act like you know us, or that we're all the same exact white transmasc athiest template. you don't and we aren't. i'm so so so sick of the hypocrisy and monolithing. you genuinely know nothing about us

mikuzoid

defending a groomer and then denying one of their victims that they could have possibly been groomed (even going as far as to convince that victim that they and someone else made it up for attention); then using them "taking back" the accusation because of what you told them so that the groomer could so you could keep the groomer in a position of power over children while they still had multiple other victims at the time doesnt sound supportive of groomers at all now, does it?

soldmyfuckingsoul

i was a curator when the first allegations came around [most of which werent enough proof or were made up] and then when i became a manager i helped kick jord out after legitimate accusations came to life. if you weren't there stop spreading stuff. not to be rude but i was groomed and it was like two years ago and i apologised to the people i hurt, who i now have an understanding with. dont play. groomers aim to isolate their victims and for want of a better word indoctrinate them. that is what happened to me and as soon as i realised i had been groomed and that my friend was getting groomed i stopped defending him and kicked him out.

The 6hive point is false equivalence because all i did as a result of my grooming was dismiss accusations made by another victim [didnt seem like enough evidence, i apologised, i didnt even take the lead in investigating it, i was a curator], dismiss accusations made by a nonvictim [absolutely no proof and every time we asked for proof excuses were made], and then investigate accusations made with substantial proof, realise i was groomed, help demote jord.

6hive, not all of whom were groomed by shay, to my knowledge, told people to kill themselves, called them slurs, bullied them, and sexually harassed them [not every member did this]. i never engaged in that sort of behaviour, i engaged in defending my groomer before i realised i was groomed.

mikuzoid

i will admit this post was mainly written because "groomer defender" being in brook's post of things they've been called for just managing the gaehive, and pointing out there was actually a reason. you were mentioned by proxy because of the fact the person who has spoken to me about it explicitly mentioned you as well. my tagging system is a bit confusing due to how new this blog is, so i understand where the confusion that this was targetted at you came from

m00nwatcher127

the “groomer defender” comment wasn’t even made about jord, it was made about chaos. In the future, just ask me next time what the context for it was

mikuzoid

well that was also something really weird you partook in was promoting chaos after a large number of users said they werent comfortable with chaos as a manager. i can't call chaos a groomer since i dont believe it actually did anything to specific people? however that was neglecting the best interests (maybe even safety) of hivians which goes against your role as a manager

and also the amount of harrassment chaos apparently recieved likely would not as been as high had it not been promoted, so the promotion invited harassment

m00nwatcher127

I was the one person hesitant about promoting Chaos. Was outnumbered in that regard. But maybe instead of taking it as “inviting harassment”, we should like, hold the people accountable who are harassing others?

I really am not a fan of you blaming the harassment that Chaos went through on us, instead of those harassing it.

And how was it neglecting best interests? We talked to Chaos about its beliefs before they were promoted

mikuzoid

i assumed you would say something like that and i have no reason to deny or trust that completely

i am saying a higher position of power and recognition invited awareness and harrassment that would not have been as bad had they remained a curator and that is something that should have been taken into account considering the already present backlash but i am not saying it is entirely your fault

minor miscommunication! i meant neglecting the hivians best interests as in that action outright ignored the amount of hivians who were distressed and openly said they did not what it to be promoted

ALSO i realized this while i was making ice cream. i made this post in reaction to you compressing the entire reason you were called such things as just "managing gaehive" but you are actively acknowledging and even telling me the reason you were called that personally. and there is an action behind it that shows why you wouldve been called that, not just your status as a manager. that doesnt make sense to me that you would minimize this reason that you clearly are aware of

m00nwatcher127

I’m thinking out my response more. But to your tag of “you posted it thrice, so you wanted attention”: I only ever meant to post it once. I only typed it out once, if it was posted multiple times, I’ll delete them, but it was only ever posted once

mikuzoid

defending a groomer and then denying one of their victims that they could have possibly been groomed (even going as far as to convince that victim that they and someone else made it up for attention); then using them "taking back" the accusation because of what you told them so that the groomer could so you could keep the groomer in a position of power over children while they still had multiple other victims at the time doesnt sound supportive of groomers at all now, does it?

soldmyfuckingsoul

i was a curator when the first allegations came around [most of which werent enough proof or were made up] and then when i became a manager i helped kick jord out after legitimate accusations came to life. if you weren't there stop spreading stuff. not to be rude but i was groomed and it was like two years ago and i apologised to the people i hurt, who i now have an understanding with. dont play. groomers aim to isolate their victims and for want of a better word indoctrinate them. that is what happened to me and as soon as i realised i had been groomed and that my friend was getting groomed i stopped defending him and kicked him out.

The 6hive point is false equivalence because all i did as a result of my grooming was dismiss accusations made by another victim [didnt seem like enough evidence, i apologised, i didnt even take the lead in investigating it, i was a curator], dismiss accusations made by a nonvictim [absolutely no proof and every time we asked for proof excuses were made], and then investigate accusations made with substantial proof, realise i was groomed, help demote jord.

6hive, not all of whom were groomed by shay, to my knowledge, told people to kill themselves, called them slurs, bullied them, and sexually harassed them [not every member did this]. i never engaged in that sort of behaviour, i engaged in defending my groomer before i realised i was groomed.

mikuzoid

i will admit this post was mainly written because "groomer defender" being in brook's post of things they've been called for just managing the gaehive, and pointing out there was actually a reason. you were mentioned by proxy because of the fact the person who has spoken to me about it explicitly mentioned you as well. my tagging system is a bit confusing due to how new this blog is, so i understand where the confusion that this was targetted at you came from

m00nwatcher127

the “groomer defender” comment wasn’t even made about jord, it was made about chaos. In the future, just ask me next time what the context for it was

mikuzoid

well that was also something really weird you partook in was promoting chaos after a large number of users said they werent comfortable with chaos as a manager. i can't call chaos a groomer since i dont believe it actually did anything to specific people? however that was neglecting the best interests (maybe even safety) of hivians which goes against your role as a manager

and also the amount of harrassment chaos apparently recieved likely would not as been as high had it not been promoted, so the promotion invited harassment

m00nwatcher127

I was the one person hesitant about promoting Chaos. Was outnumbered in that regard. But maybe instead of taking it as “inviting harassment”, we should like, hold the people accountable who are harassing others?

I really am not a fan of you blaming the harassment that Chaos went through on us, instead of those harassing it.

And how was it neglecting best interests? We talked to Chaos about its beliefs before they were promoted

mikuzoid

defending a groomer and then denying one of their victims that they could have possibly been groomed (even going as far as to convince that victim that they and someone else made it up for attention); then using them "taking back" the accusation because of what you told them so that the groomer could so you could keep the groomer in a position of power over children while they still had multiple other victims at the time doesnt sound supportive of groomers at all now, does it?

soldmyfuckingsoul

i was a curator when the first allegations came around [most of which werent enough proof or were made up] and then when i became a manager i helped kick jord out after legitimate accusations came to life. if you weren't there stop spreading stuff. not to be rude but i was groomed and it was like two years ago and i apologised to the people i hurt, who i now have an understanding with. dont play. groomers aim to isolate their victims and for want of a better word indoctrinate them. that is what happened to me and as soon as i realised i had been groomed and that my friend was getting groomed i stopped defending him and kicked him out.

The 6hive point is false equivalence because all i did as a result of my grooming was dismiss accusations made by another victim [didnt seem like enough evidence, i apologised, i didnt even take the lead in investigating it, i was a curator], dismiss accusations made by a nonvictim [absolutely no proof and every time we asked for proof excuses were made], and then investigate accusations made with substantial proof, realise i was groomed, help demote jord.

6hive, not all of whom were groomed by shay, to my knowledge, told people to kill themselves, called them slurs, bullied them, and sexually harassed them [not every member did this]. i never engaged in that sort of behaviour, i engaged in defending my groomer before i realised i was groomed.

mikuzoid

i will admit this post was mainly written because "groomer defender" being in brook's post of things they've been called for just managing the gaehive, and pointing out there was actually a reason. you were mentioned by proxy because of the fact the person who has spoken to me about it explicitly mentioned you as well. my tagging system is a bit confusing due to how new this blog is, so i understand where the confusion that this was targetted at you came from

m00nwatcher127

the “groomer defender” comment wasn’t even made about jord, it was made about chaos. In the future, just ask me next time what the context for it was

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soldmyfuckingsoul

eeeeverybody wants to say "the managers" and nobody wants to say which ones

mikuzoid

defending a groomer and then denying one of their victims that they could have possibly been groomed (even going as far as to convince that victim that they and someone else made it up for attention); then using them "taking back" the accusation because of what you told them so that the groomer could so you could keep the groomer in a position of power over children while they still had multiple other victims at the time doesnt sound supportive of groomers at all now, does it?

soldmyfuckingsoul

i was a curator when the first allegations came around [most of which werent enough proof or were made up] and then when i became a manager i helped kick jord out after legitimate accusations came to life. if you weren't there stop spreading stuff. not to be rude but i was groomed and it was like two years ago and i apologised to the people i hurt, who i now have an understanding with. dont play. groomers aim to isolate their victims and for want of a better word indoctrinate them. that is what happened to me and as soon as i realised i had been groomed and that my friend was getting groomed i stopped defending him and kicked him out.

The 6hive point is false equivalence because all i did as a result of my grooming was dismiss accusations made by another victim [didnt seem like enough evidence, i apologised, i didnt even take the lead in investigating it, i was a curator], dismiss accusations made by a nonvictim [absolutely no proof and every time we asked for proof excuses were made], and then investigate accusations made with substantial proof, realise i was groomed, help demote jord.

6hive, not all of whom were groomed by shay, to my knowledge, told people to kill themselves, called them slurs, bullied them, and sexually harassed them [not every member did this]. i never engaged in that sort of behaviour, i engaged in defending my groomer before i realised i was groomed.

mikuzoid

i'm incredibly curious about the yikes server and what was said in it because that would be another example of managers doing behaviors that would get them marked as affected by rule 6 by their standards before getting promoted from what ive heard

m00nwatcher127

You also do realize that any rule 6 things given because of things said in a server (specifically the faccfc) were taken back, right?

mikuzoid

the faccfc is not a server, that is a scratch studio that is actively not connected. and it did take days? (depending on who )of people discussing the placement. then while being told issues should be communicated directly, multiple managers cut off contact with some members

m00nwatcher127

It took days because some people did things off the server too

Multiple managers cut off contact because we were sent uncensored gore and told to kill ourselves.

I won't sent the uncensored gore. But there was uncensored gore and torture.

mikuzoid

that's understandable then, but there were members who did not do that and still had contact cut from them?

m00nwatcher127

Anyone from that group chat who wasn’t a manager seemed okay with what Chalavya said, which is why some were cut off from some managers.

mikuzoid

i'm incredibly curious about the yikes server and what was said in it because that would be another example of managers doing behaviors that would get them marked as affected by rule 6 by their standards before getting promoted from what ive heard

m00nwatcher127

You also do realize that any rule 6 things given because of things said in a server (specifically the faccfc) were taken back, right?

mikuzoid

the faccfc is not a server, that is a scratch studio that is actively not connected. and it did take days? (depending on who )of people discussing the placement. then while being told issues should be communicated directly, multiple managers cut off contact with some members

m00nwatcher127

It took days because some people did things off the server too

Multiple managers cut off contact because we were sent uncensored gore and told to kill ourselves.

I won't sent the uncensored gore. But there was uncensored gore and torture.

#hiveblr

mikuzoid

defending a groomer and then denying one of their victims that they could have possibly been groomed (even going as far as to convince that victim that they and someone else made it up for attention); then using them "taking back" the accusation because of what you told them so that the groomer could so you could keep the groomer in a position of power over children while they still had multiple other victims at the time doesnt sound supportive of groomers at all now, does it?

m00nwatcher127

Hey so like. Have you considered that managers could’ve also been groomed and manipulated by said groomer?

mikuzoid

i would like to say you have never mentioned anything implying that so it hadnt come to mind. however, the amount of censoring you, and i believe other managers, did of anyone who tried to talk about their experiences was incredibly disrespectful? for lack of better term coming to mind.

by the way, it is kinda hypocritical of you then to get mad at groomed victims of 6hive specifically for doing actions their groomers also manipulated them into

if you're going to say others are monsterously harmful for what they were forced to do, you should acknowledge the fact you greatly hurt others that you are in the position to protect

m00nwatcher127

Because it wasn't appropriate for scratch??? It was told in the hive community, it was told in a hive discord server, it /was/ told to people, just not on scratch. Because that would've gotten the studio taken down.

I think you also have to acknowledge that the manager team is different from when jord was a manager. Most managers on the team today didn't even deal with the accusations with jord, so it's unfair to blame them for something they never contributed to. In reality, there are 2 of us who dealt with the original allegations on the studio who are still active managers.

I also do just want to point out that the allegations that were on the studio were not what got jord demoted. As those genuinely were proven false. The allegations that did get jord demoted were brought to me separately, offsite, and much later than the original allegations.

mikuzoid

your first paragraph was a fair point but i simply meant to say that possibility did slip my mind, not attacking you for not sharing the information to scratch users. i did not have a way to know you said it anywhere so once again, i was saying i did not know that.

to your second paragraph, i did not say all managers. i said "other managers" to refer vaguely to who had been managing at the time because i quite literally do not remember that information fully. i'm saying that wasnt fully you in sole responsibility, but i do not remember who else was relevant.

i was not active at the time jord was demoted. i am mostly intent on speaking the ignorance of original confessions and your hypocrisy, the latter you havent addressed

m00nwatcher127

I haven't addressed the last point because I don't know how to word it at the moment

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mikuzoid

i'm incredibly curious about the yikes server and what was said in it because that would be another example of managers doing behaviors that would get them marked as affected by rule 6 by their standards before getting promoted from what ive heard

m00nwatcher127

You also do realize that any rule 6 things given because of things said in a server (specifically the faccfc) were taken back, right?

mikuzoid

defending a groomer and then denying one of their victims that they could have possibly been groomed (even going as far as to convince that victim that they and someone else made it up for attention); then using them "taking back" the accusation because of what you told them so that the groomer could so you could keep the groomer in a position of power over children while they still had multiple other victims at the time doesnt sound supportive of groomers at all now, does it?

m00nwatcher127

Hey so like. Have you considered that managers could’ve also been groomed and manipulated by said groomer?

mikuzoid

i would like to say you have never mentioned anything implying that so it hadnt come to mind. however, the amount of censoring you, and i believe other managers, did of anyone who tried to talk about their experiences was incredibly disrespectful? for lack of better term coming to mind.

by the way, it is kinda hypocritical of you then to get mad at groomed victims of 6hive specifically for doing actions their groomers also manipulated them into

if you're going to say others are monsterously harmful for what they were forced to do, you should acknowledge the fact you greatly hurt others that you are in the position to protect

m00nwatcher127

Because it wasn't appropriate for scratch??? It was told in the hive community, it was told in a hive discord server, it /was/ told to people, just not on scratch. Because that would've gotten the studio taken down.

I think you also have to acknowledge that the manager team is different from when jord was a manager. Most managers on the team today didn't even deal with the accusations with jord, so it's unfair to blame them for something they never contributed to. In reality, there are 2 of us who dealt with the original allegations on the studio who are still active managers.

I also do just want to point out that the allegations that were on the studio were not what got jord demoted. As those genuinely were proven false. The allegations that did get jord demoted were brought to me separately, offsite, and much later than the original allegations.

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