She wasn't supposed to end up with either of them!
One thing is for sure, here where I am, the Brazilian fandom (some fans, obviously) doesn't recognize Sarah's hypocrisy in writing Tamlin and Rhys.
This is old news, but I'll never get tired of talking about it. Tamlin and Rhys are not the same, because Sarah insists on making one find redemption and the other not.
Rhys and Tamlin took Feyre into their courts at a time when she was most vulnerable in her life. They both welcomed her and did good things for her. The both used horrific methods to keep her safe and save her. The two kept her in a strange place, even though she wanted to leave. They both hid something from her (with the difference that Rhys did it out of pure selfishness and Tamlin because he was under a spell not to say). Feyre fell in love with both of them for the same reason in books different: "He's done good things for me. He understands me. He's protected me. He's good to me. He doesn't make me feel like I have to carry everything on my shoulders. He saved me. I get to have time for myself with him."
Do you know the difference? They handle Feyre DIFFERENTLY! One is blunt, direct, and doesn't know how to use words. The other is gentle, articulate, knows how to use words, and can read her mind!
Do you have any idea how hypocritical it is for Sarah to show a toxic relationship and tell you not to stay in it, but then have Feyre stay with a man who abused her just because he explained why he did it? The Instagram comment was, "It makes absolutely no sense that you want redemption for Tamlin! He's an abuser." And what was Rhys in UTM? A feminist fairy?
Sarah presented two men as examples of violence against women; the right thing for Feyre to do would be to not end up with either of them!
Of course there are people who want Tamlin's redemption! Because Rhys had his own, even after committing the worst female nightmare! "Ah, but it was a necessary evil. The context is different. He had to do that." Well, that's what the character says! Isn't it? Like the forced kiss to get rid of Tamlin's scent, but how did Tamlin get rid of Feyre's scent on him? Did Rhys kiss Tamlin, by any chance? Why did he take her to parties (leaving her physically and mentally unwell at the end), when he could have pretended to have fun in a room with her and let her rest there? Rhys just didn't think of that? He, of all people, who used his powers to convince Amarantha that he didn't want to kill him, but sleep with him? The intelligent Rhys? Who was manipulating Amarantha with his double game?Oh, ok.
Sarah Gmail made her saga a huge hypocrisy! She made a mistake writing Rhys doing all that against Feyre.
And despite all that, it was still a very good experience reading the novel, despite those questions along the way. Feyre forgives him, and well, that's what matters to most people, even with Rhys not directly apologizing or admitting he was wrong.
Tamlin also expressed remorse, but for some reason, his remorse is seen as something an abuser would doâsomeone who does something wrong and says they're sorry, but... This sounds familiar, doesn't it?
I'm playing devil's advocate here. Because my opinion is the one I've already stated: Feyre shouldn't end up with either of them.
Feyre romanticizes both men. They both took her in during her time of extreme need, despair, and spiritual destruction. In the end, Feyre turned out exactly as Tamlin wanted, and Rhys knows it. A Court of Frost and Starlight makes it clear that Rhys knows how ironic that was!
(Believe it or not, I like Rhys. I usually trash characters I like when they do something ridiculous. Who else is like that? I don't want to be alone.)
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Bruh the way I am so tired of every ACOTAR criticism conversation devolving into "Wait but I'm confused.. how can you say that when SJM *wanted* you to feel XYZ? So therefore that IS what it means and how could you NOT feel that way and since she said it, it's good and there's nothing to criticize."
Like girl I don't caaaaaaare what she WANTED me to feel! It didn't make me feel that way and I don't think it made any sense or felt earned! THAT'S THE CRITICISM!
I mean, don't get me wrong there are a ton of conversations where establishing what we think the author's motivations were is actually really helpful for interpreting things and for the context of the discussion. I do it all the time and it's helpful in analyzing the text.
It just isn't a good "STOP YOUR CRITICISM!" cudgel lol. It offers us context.. and usually that context allows me even MORE reason to expand upon where "what she wanted" and "how I felt due to these writing choices" failed to match up together.
Some people interpret Tamlin's actions as meaning he was afraid of Feyre's powers and that she was more powerful than him... And every time I read comments like that, I think, "Where did they get that from?"
Dude, Tamlin wasn't afraid of Feyre's powers or of her being more powerful; he was afraid that Feyre would be USED or that others would come after her because of it.
Tamlin never showed (at least I don't remember) any discomfort that Feyre is more important than him, for example. He never minded that Feyre was venerated, that she was a symbol or anything like that.He never cared about what it meant to HIM that Feyre had all the powers of the High Lords, but rather WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO HER if the High Lords wanted what was theirs back. It wasn't about being afraid of her power or whether it threatened his status, it's about PROTECTION. This is literally the ENTIRE basis of their relationship problem, to the point where Ianthe USES IT against Tamlin, making him even more paranoid and further restricting Feyre's freedom.
Another thing, Ianthe had more power to speak than Lucien... Who, besides being her best friend, is also a man.Priestesses in general, even in a patriarchal society, are EXTREMELY respected and powerful, as portrayed in the book. After all, Ianthe spent her life creating victims and wielding influence, power to perform wedding ceremonies and transform the wives of High Lords into High Ladies if requested.
Tamlin, even though furious and ashamed in front of Feyre, still didn't play his final card, which was to reveal that SHE possessed the powers of everyone there.He could use that argument just to further support the theory that Rhys wasn't trustworthy, and neither was she... That they could turn against them as soon as Hybern fell and took Prythian. (something similar, I don't know), but the guy remained faithful to that DAMN secret until the end out of pure concern for Feyre's life, still fearing that the others might want to kill her.
I think he's saying it wasn't anyone's business there, including... That would only further crucify him as UNtrustworthy along with the IC, but he did NOT reveal it.It was never about him being afraid of Feyre's powers or about wounded male ego, it was LITERALLY about what's laid bare on the pages from the very beginning of the book: protection, paranoia, and fear OF OTHERS.
All of this, in my opinion, is obvious. đ And even though I don't understand the interpretation of these specific people and how they arrived at that conclusion, all reading is valid at the end of the day.
Type A: "Tamlin didn't do anything to save Feyre UTM, he used his chance for a quickie"
Type B: "Tamlin couldn't do anything to save Feyre UTM, she had a bargain with Amarantha"
Tamlin did the most important thing to save Feyre from UTM - HE SENT HER HOME!!!
I know most people are talking about the specific interval of UTM after Feyre already got into the middle of the events, but seriously the best decisions are the preventive ones and Tamlin did it.
I don't remember the post or the chapter, but I think you'll know what I'm talking about.
I think the few times I felt sorry for Rhys were when Feyre used the fact that he was afraid to show who he really is because he didn't want to lose anyone.
Of course Rhys was being self-centered when he made that stupid villain-hero analogy, and even threw it in Feyre's face that she should start thinking about what she wants someday, but I really I feel sorry after Feyre said that nobody would want to deal with the mess that is Rhys. Not that Feyre isn't one too, right? Not that any character in this universe isn't a mess, it's just that some don't hide behind masks.(This whole mask thing irritates me... Thanks to ACOTAR I've started to find this metaphor corny)
I don't remember if Rhys apologizes to Feyre for saying she needed to think about what she wanted, even knowing it was difficult for her, after realizing she no longer wanted the same thing in the first book with Tamlin. All I remember is that Feyre started being ignored and apologized to Rhys for lowering her standards so much. (It reminded me of Nestha, who uses words as weapons.)
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I noticed a great deal of irony between Feyre's fans and the people who CRITICIZE Feyre, about what Feyre did in the Spring Court in Acowar
Feyre's fans are taking away the character's autonomy to make choices, saying that the blame lies solely with Tamlin, that Tamlin made terrible choices and caused the court to fall.Conversely, those who criticize Feyre grant her autonomy, saying that SHE chose to set traps, create circumstances, and manipulate people, being toxic to Tamlin in the same way HE was to her; making him jealous, pressuring him emotionally/psychologically knowing it would make his magic explode, and make it seem like he attacked her on purpose. She chose to lie about the abuse and about still being engaged to him.
It's funny to think that there are these two sides... And what's worse is that one of them keeps harping on the fact that the blame lies solely with one character because they were deceived, completely removing the "Boss bitch" weight from the protagonist.It means that Feyre wasn't ALL THAT great, that in reality everything was going to end the same way and she was completely useless, mainly because later on, the person who helps the most with information about Hybern it's Tamlin! Tamlin not only destroyed the court itself, but he was also a better spy than Feyre, who only pretended to be useful in the Spring Court... Logically, she didn't do anything and it was all Tamlin's fault.
I hate it when people take away Feyre's autonomy just because they don't want to admit she was wrong... Like, dude, the girl already lacks autonomy, and now you're taking even more away from her because you think the people who CRITICIZE her attitude are trying to be "different" and "want to blame the protagonist"?
Feyre herself calls what she does a trap. Feyre herself shows that what she does is on purpose because she knows it will imply something... Feyre herself calls herself a nightmare and thinks she's VERY COOL because of what she is doingThe dialogue between Feyre and Lucien in ACOFAS shows that she has no regrets and knows what she did... The problem isn't her seeking revenge on Tamlin, it's that this revenge has culminated in a domino effect of dangerous situations for innocent people who were completely innocent.
I was debating whether to launch straight into ACOWAR after finishing ACOMAF, or whether to break up the Maas a bit with something else, because MAF was a slog. But, partly because ripping into Maas is so much fun, and partly because I have my ebook of WAR handy but have yet to get the other one I want to do, I went with WAR. Let's see how long it takes before I start regretting it lol.
(Edit: and also because the new books were announced at the CHD interview. I want to at least get all the current books written before book 6 drops, so I am all up to date for the inevitable Discourse lol)
It looks like the book is going to test me right away, because we open with a prelude of Rhysand! Yay! We all know how much we love that fucker! He's wandering around a battlefield somewhere 500 years ago and angsting.
The killing field was now a tangled sprawl of corpses, human and faerie alike, interrupted only by broken wings jutting toward the gray sky
I see we still haven't learned how wings work between this book and the last. If they're broken, book, then what's holding them upright? Their bones aren't as solid as things like arms. Also, surely there's more than wings (and horses, mentioned just after) breaking it up, right? Broken weapons, banners, other limbs, etc.
But, we all know how much these books are about the wings.
It took most of my lingering strength to keep my wings from dragging over corpse and armor.
Speaking of. Gee, if only he could like, appear and disappear them at will or something...
He tells us about a fort that's "too valuable" to yield to the "Loyalists."
Not just for its location in the heart of the continent, but for the supplies it guarded. For the forges that smoldered day and night on its western side, toiling to stock our forces.
Uh huh. And what are the forges making? From memory, the only thing that can kill faeries are ash weapons, and, uh, you don't exactly make those in forges....
He moves through the battlefield and angsts generically. I'd offer more info, but it's all rather vague. I'm sure the book is very proud of some of the lines, though.
I now wondered if the lullaby of death was not a lovely song, but the droning of flies. If flies and maggots were all Deathâs handmaidens.
This one, for instance. And honestly, if the writing were more consistently like this, it would be fine. Unfortunately, it's not, so instead these more literary lines stick out like sore thumbs and come across as tryhard.
Rhys assures us that he's been the one holding it all together and rallying all the peasants his allies and etc, etc. And also that the evil mean bad guys will never give up their slaves, as if he himself doesn't run off and rule an apartheid state immediately after this.
A half-shredded Illyrian wing jutted from a cluster of High Fae corpses,
Oh my fucking god, enough with the wings! It's okay for other body parts to exist too!
Rhys simultaneously assures us that the army his father sent both saved the day and was also slaughtered immediately (hence why he thinks Cassian is in it), and all I can do is roll my eyes. It's contradicting itself even within the same train of thought, what else is new.
Anyway, Rhys keeps looking for Cassian, and the book describes more wings, and then the prelude ends. Knowing the context of the wider series now, it begs the question of why it was needed. To make us pity Rhys? At least with Feyre's prelude at the beginning of last book, it was to set the stage for her nightmares as well as recap the end of last book to us.
Now, at the end of ACOMAF, Feyre went back to the Spring Court with the intention of being a double agent of sorts. Our first official chapter opens thusly:
The painting was a lie.
Which I'm sure the book thinks is very clever.
Anyway, she's painting stuff, and bitching about
Incessant, unrelenting spring.
It will forever annoy me that the Night Court is conveniently not incessant, unrelenting night.
If Iâd painted this glimpse into the court the way my gut had urged me, it would have been flesh-shredding thorns, flowers that choked off the sunlight for any plants smaller than them, and rolling hills stained red.
God, reach a little harder, book. It's actually embarrassing how hard you're trying.
Anyway, Feyre explains the concept of a cover persona to us in frankly insulting detail, and talks about how she longs to use flesh-shredding talons on all the Spring people and etc. Yeah yeah, whatever, book.
The paintbrush snapped between my fingers. Iâd cleaved it in two, the pale handle damaged beyond repair. Cursing under my breath, I glanced to the windows, the doors. This place was too full of watching eyes to risk throwing it in the rubbish bin.
Because..... throwing away a broken paintbrush is suspicious.....?
Look, the suspicious thing is randomly breaking it in the first place, and the watching eyes have already seen that. And if they haven't, you can just say you dropped it and stood on it accidentally or something, ezpz.
I held my hands before me, one half of the brush in each palm.
For a moment, I let myself see past the glamour that concealed the tattoo on my right hand and forearm. The markings of my true heart. My true title.
High Lady of the Night Court.
Half a thought had the broken paintbrush going up in flames.
God, the attempts at symbollism in these books is actually fucking painful at times. And yes, your title, Feyre. That you neither earned nor deserve. Because being a "mere" lady isn't good enough for her, right? Also, if throwing the paintbrush in the bin is suspicious, then setting it on fire sure as fuck would be. How lucky Feyre's spy game operates at the whim of the author and not on actual logic.
There's more mental posturing and Spring-bashing, before Tamlin and Lucien walk in, and we get a weirdly detailed description of the process of forcing a fake smile to reach one's eyes. Which is an interesting inclusion, for meta reasons mostly. Apparently, there's some sort of meeting with Ianthe coming up, and Feyre needs to get ready.
It was Lucien who answered, studying my painting as if it held the proof I knew he was searching for. âYes. She ⌠had her reasons. She is willing to explain them to you.â
Perhaps along with her reasons for laying her hands on whatever males she pleased, whether they wished her to or not. For doing it to Rhys, and Lucien.
Why would she ever talk to you about that? What an awkwardly ham-fisted way to remind us of this. Oh, and we also need to be awkwardly reminded that Elain and Lucien are mates, as well. Seriously, the narration is all over the place here, because it's trying to be a sparknotes of the previous book, and of course SJM can't make it sound natural.
Despite what Jurian implied regarding how my sisters will be treated by Rhysand, I had told him, despite what the Night Court is like, they wonât hurt Elain or Nesta like thatânot yet. Rhysand has more creative ways to harm them.
Lucien still seemed to doubt it.
Lucien being based, as always. But I'm chortling at the idea that he's actually doubtful that the book Rhys could come up with anything "more creative" than... well, whatever "like that" is, I suppose. The book doesn't have the guts to say it, so I'm going to amuse myself by imagining that "like that" is having to listen to staged recitations of Rhys's Tragic Backstory. It's basically what he did to Feyre, after all.
But then again, I had also implied, in my own âgapsâ of memory, that perhaps I had not received the same creativity or courtesy.
That they believed it so easily, that they thought Rhysand would ever force someone ⌠I added the insult to the long, long list of things to repay them for.
Bitch, he's literally spent 500 years cultivating exactly this image about himself, why the fuck wouldn't they believe you? And also... why are you mad that they believe you? There's actual sexual assault victims (well, not that Feyre *isn't* an actual SA victim, but ya know. The book doesn't think so) that would kill to be believed just like that! Especially considering that Rhysand literally spent two months straight-up sexually assaulting Feyre right in front of Tamlin UtM! He's got absolutely no reason not to believe it. He's seen it with his own eyes!
But let's be real here, if they didn't believe her, she'd be complaining about that too. There's no pleasing this girl.
Speaking of. Tamlin compliments her painting.
âItâs nowhere near done,â I said, dredging up that girl who had shunned praise and compliments, who had wanted to go unnoticed.
Since fucking when? Feyre's always been kind of shallow and entitled, Rhysand just cranked it up to eleven.
Frankly, it was some of my best work, even if its soullessness was only apparent to me.
Don't.... don't you mean "even though its soullessness was only apparent to me?" Because the "if" makes it sound like Feyre/the book thinks soullessness is *part* of good work. Which is, uh. Certainly a take. Explains a lot about these books, tbh.
Tamlin continues to be inoffensive, so Feyre goes off to get changed, and spends a lot of time assuring us that she had to switch rooms because Tamlin "ripped hers apart as if looking for her", and also it's full of thorns now for some reason and is also a tomb. Again, you are trying way too hard, book. All you're making me do is roll my eyes.
I gathered the soft pink skirts of my gauzy dress in a hand
Literal inch-wide strips of sheer fabric = a-okay, empowering, even. Pink gauze? = evil, hiss, kill it with fire! You're fooling no one, book.
Anyway, Lucien is waiting for her outside her room. He's suspicious af of her, because she was behaving suspicous af last book. In this particular instance, he's suspicious because she was swearing to kill Ianthe last book, but she seems perfectly calm at the prospect of meeting with her.
I had not told Lucien of what I knew regarding her true nature.
Well I mean, he likely already knows. Given you've told us several times that she's having a go at him, as well.
It would mean explaining that Rhys had thrown her out of his own home, that Rhys had done it to defend himself and the members of his court, and it would raise too many questions, undermine too many carefully crafted lies that had kept him and his courtâmy courtâsafe.
Safe from.........? No, really, it's an important question. Lots of things are done in the name of "safety", and unless the reason is readily apparent, there's a nonzero chance it's a bullshit control thing. Seriously, what is so threatening to the Most Powerful High Lord Ever that he needs "carefully crafted lies" to protect his court? Also.... er, how was throwing Ianthe out "defending his court?" Like, he had every right to throw her out if she was being a creep, but like. Let's not pretend it was anything more than what it is. And also, why would Lucien finding out that Rhysand threw out Ianthe "undermine the lies?" "Oh, he didn't immediately have sex with Ianthe, this must mean he is Secretly Good and we must attack Velaris at once!" Seriously, book, do you *ever* think about what you write?
Though I wondered if, after Velaris, it was even necessary. Our enemies knew of the city, knew it was a place of good and peace. And had tried to destroy it at the first opportunity.
God, everything about Velaris is so fucking shallow. "It's good, literally the only good place ever. It must be protecc. And all the eeeeeeevil bad guys would immediately destroy it, just because!" Fuck off.
Anyway, Lucien is trying to warn her not to trust Ianthe, and for some reason Feyre feels the need to pretend she doesn't have a problem with Ianthe. Which is honestly even more suspicious than saying she hated her, given she was responsible for selling Feyre's sisters to Hybern. Lucien thinks it's sus too, because he's not a fucking idiot, and he grabs her arm as she tries to walk off.
I allowed it because not allowing it, winnowing the way Iâd done in the woods those months ago, or using an Illyrian defensive maneuver to knock him on his ass,
....an "Illyrian" defensive maneouvre, huh? Are Illyrians literally the only ones in Prythian with a codified fighting style? What do they teach the warriors of all the courts that don't have Illyrians in them? Or does the book just think that because the Illyrians' sole cultural traits are fighting good and sexism, that every fighting thing must therefore be related to them? Every time I think it can't possibly get shallower...
Lucien asks where Rhysand is keeping Elain, Feyre says she doesn't know, they argue over whether Lucien would even be able to rescue her anyway.
[F]âYou couldnât see that he had me in thrall. You let him take me back.â Lie, lie, lie.
Literally the only thing that makes the events in ACOMAF make even a lick of sense is the possibility that Rhys was mind-controlling Feyre the whole time. Also, uh, I'm 99.99% sure that Lucien *did* think you were mind-controlled. You had your Night Court "mask" on, after all, and your Night Court mask is Rhys's Bitch.
âYou donât even know Elain. The mating bond is just a physical reaction overriding your good sense.â
âIs that what it did to you and Rhys?â
A quiet, dangerous question.
And an incredibly valid and important one, given the circumstances. If you can dismiss Lucien's mating bond so easily, Feyre, then why can't he dismiss yours? Especially given the dubious circumstances under which it was established.
But I made fear enter my eyes, let myself drag up memories of the Weaver, the Carver, the Middengard Wyrm so that old terror drenched my scent.
And wouldn't you know it, Rhys is responsible for subjecting you to all but one of those things, and he was the chief lackey of the one who sicced the worm on you...
Anyway, Feyre is saved from having to realise this by a convenient clock chime, and they go to see Ianthe.
The High Priestess looked exactly as I remembered, both in those memories Rhys had shown me and in my own daydreamings of using the talons hidden beneath my nails to carve out her eyes, then her tongue, then open up her throat.
Jesus. I mean, yeah, Ianthe did a bad thing, but like. This is a smidge excessive, don't you think? Especially when we consider that there's really no downsides to being turned into a faerie, as discussed in the last book. There should be, but there aren't, and so all the angst about it makes very little sense. Her sisters essentially got a free upgrade.
And I just want to make clear, I wholeheartedly agree that they have every right to feel violated and wish it hadn't happened and etc. Trouble is, the book forgot to give the transformation any actual downsides, not even something vague like losing their human soul or the like. So it all comes across as a little hollow, just whining for the sake of drumming up drama.
She still wore the pale hood and silver circlet set with its limpid blue stone.
I'm sorry, but I can't see the word "limpid" without thinking of Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way. It's limpid blue, even.
We make sure to point out that Ianthe might be a fakey-fake with her power, maybe. No, there's no substance to the supposition, but when has lack of substance ever stopped these books from doing anything?
The High Priestess lowered her teal eyes to the dark wood table, the hood casting shadows on her perfect face. âI wish to begin by saying how truly sorry I am. I acted out of a desire to ⌠to grant what I believed you perhaps yearned for but did not dare voice, while also keeping our allies in Hybern satisfied with our allegiance.â
Feyre, of course, declares this nonsense and calls Ianthe a lying liar who lies, but... well, do we have any evidence that she didn't *legitimately* think this? Apart from meta ones? They only spoke about her family that one time on-page, after all, and it probably isn't impossible that Ianthe might have concluded that Feyre missed them. She cited her reason for not inviting them to the wedding being that she was a fae now, after all. So, if her sisters were fae, they could join in her life, right?
I mean, I know it's pointless to think about that sort of thing, this book does not understand nuance like that. But still. The lack of tangible evidence is worth pointing out.
They talk, without saying much new.
But I leashed [the snarl she was making at Ianthe], falling into that mask of pained quiet, the newest in my arsenal.
I wonder if the book understands that most people don't go about their lives with an "arsenal" of masks? Like, sure, we adjust our behaviour and the way we speak depending on context and whatnot, but like. Calling this behaviour a "mask" isn't really accurate, because people can easily do things like speak more or less politely or express emotion or whatever while still being genuine. Even something like "masking" done by autistic people and the like, I wouldn't call it "A" mask, per se, and certainly not an "arsenal." They try to tone down specific behaviours to fit in more socially, but aren't being ingenuine in any other way. But you know who does go through life with an "arsenal" of masks? Narcissists and sociopaths. I wonder if the book realises how telling the pervasiveness of this trait in the characters it wants to be sympathetic is. It's, uh. Certainly a choice.
âNo,â Ianthe breathed, eyes wide, the perfect picture of remorse and guilt.
And also the fact that it assumes that any facial expression other than rage is some sort of deliberate construction. The "perfect picture" of innocence. Book, why do you have so much difficulty understanding that people do, in fact, feel the emotions they make faces for? It's actually kinda disturbing.
Blah blah, generic threats and posturing.
[I]"...I made a grave mistake, and I will always regret any pain I caused, but let us continue this good work together. Let us find a way to ensure our lands and people survive.â
âAt the cost of how many others?â Lucien demanded.
Yeah, Ianthe, it's not heroic to try and save your whole court at the cost of an unspecified number of others. It's only heroic to try and save part of your court at the cost of literally everyone else, including the rest of your court. Wonder if the book realises it's literally exactly the same reasoning as Rhys, except Ianthe would have saved more people? Meta knowledge that this is bullshit aside, of course - the book has presented us with no actual counterargument apart from Feyre's word.
Anyway, Lucien trusts neither Ianthe nor the promises of the King of Hybern, which is fair enough tbh.
[Tamlin] still trusted her. Still thought that Ianthe had merely made a bad call. Had no idea what lurked beneath the beauty, the clothes, and the pious incantations.
And what, exactly, is that? A sex pest? I mean yeah, creeping on people who have expressly said they aren't interested is obviously a dick move, but. In terms of sex-pesting that it wants us to be willing to allow, the book literally set the bar in hell when it handwaved away Rhys's painted roofie groping from book one. If that's meant to be all g, well, how can it expect us to be mad that Ianthe is a creep? You set this standard, book. Don't blame us if we measure characters you want us to hate by it too.
For the record, I neither like Ianthe nor approve of her actions. It's just, her actions kinda pale in comparison to what Rhys did, and the book expects us to overlook that, sooo.....
Lucien seemed to be trying very, very hard not to roll his eyes.
Same, honestly. Probably not at the things the book wants me to be rolling them at, though.
Feyre's been spending this whole time posturing about the "things that prowl beneath her skin" and how she's such an awesome spy and whatnot. It's getting irritating.
But Tamlin said, âWeâll all try.â
That was his new favorite word: try.
Yeah, how dare he, uh.... try? Isn't that what you wanted him to do, Feyre? And what he arguably was doing the whole time, until Rhys started meddling and deteriorated the situation?
âLucien is right, though,â I blurted, the portrait of concern. âWhat of the people in this court during this conflict?â I frowned at Tamlin. âThey were brutalized by AmaranthaâIâm not sure how well they will endure living beside Hybern.
I mean, you endured living alongside Rhysand well enough despite how much he brutalised you, so I wouldn't be too worried. And honestly, I hate saying that, because it would be a perfectly reasonable concern for anyone to have in the circumstances. The problem is, the book is framing it as an accusation that Feyre is actually making towards Tamlin (and not just mask-making it for the sake of her cover), and of course, is framing it as one that she is absolutely right to make (and Tamlin is wrong, because of course he is). Hence, my comment. You really don't get to claim the high ground here, Feyre. Get off your fucking high horse.
And it's especially galling considering how this all plays out. You do more damage to the Spring Court's innocent people than Hybern ever could, Feyre.
[F]"...They have suffered enough.â
God, shut the actual fuck up, you mouth-breathing hypocrite.
Tamlinâs jaw tightened. âHybern has promised that our people shall remain untouched and undisturbed.â [...]âIt was a part of our ⌠bargain.â When heâd sold out all of Prythian, sold out everything decent and good in himself, to retrieve me.
Kind of like how Rhys sold out all of Prythian and also most of his court just to protect his party city? No? Not gonna go there? Yeah, didn't think so. Hypocrites, the lot of them.
[T]"...Though Iâve sent out word that families should ⌠relocate to the eastern part of the territory. For the time being.â
Good. At least heâd considered those potential casualtiesâat least he cared that much about his people,
I mean, it's more than Rhysand did for his non-Velaris people so
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If he was already moving those most at risk during this conflict out of the way ⌠It made my work here all the easier.
Yeah, how convenient that he moved all the innocents out of the way for you. Now you can claim that you totally deliberately didn't harm them even though you've had literally 0 thoughts about them until now. Which leaves the unfortunate impression that, had Tamlin *not* done that, Feyre would be more than happy to subject them to whatever she has planned.
And then Tamlin says there's a delegation coming from Hybern tomorrow, and Jurian will be there by noon! Dun dun dun! Yeah, Jurian is still such a baffling choice as a villain in every possible way. But whatever. That's a problem for next chapter.
[I]"...I made a grave mistake, and I will always regret any pain I caused, but let us continue this good work together. Let us find a way to ensure our lands and people survive.â âAt the cost of how many others?â Lucien demanded.
Yeah, Ianthe, it's not heroic to try and save your whole court at the cost of an unspecified number of others. It's only heroic to try and save part of your court at the cost of literally everyone else, including the rest of your court. Wonder if the book realises it's literally exactly the same reasoning as Rhys, except Ianthe would have saved more people? Meta knowledge that this is bullshit aside, of course - the book has presented us with no actual counterargument apart from Feyre's word.
I could not agree with this more. Remember, everyone, morality is only applied to you when you are a member of the Spring Court! If you're chummy-chummy with the IC, it's just *not that deep*
I'm making this post because I reviewed my Acomaf notes. And there's one note in particular that made me think exactly what the title says.
The note is about Feyre having an internal monologue about how UTM changed her, and that Tamlin achieved what he wanted after regaining his powers; to be protective and a provider.
I find Feyre's statement curious, because Tamlin NEVER expressed that he wanted that. She combined Tamlin's instinct/quality/flaw with his obligation as High Lord and says it's his wish...
That's my interpretation, but reading the first two books, it's clear that Tamlin doesn't see being High Lord as a blessing or something incredible... In fact, it seems like it's too much of a burden for him. That he didn't want this and it's awful and it's wearing him down.
Unlike Rhys, who seems to find being a High Lord wonderful. Power, money, influence, etc. The story of "I'm the CEO," you know? The character seems quite comfortable in the position he's in.
Following this line of reasoning, I also started to think that we know NOTHING about Tamlin outside of critical life situations. We meet him in the curse, where he is melancholic, desperate, yet hopeless, unable to communicate properly, and spends half his time away because of the border. (Most of what we know about the character is superficial, coming from other characters or not as explored as you might imagine following the POV of the character's wife.) In the second book, we meet a traumatized, paranoid Tamlin, a high-ranking lord who NEEDS to pay attention to the people, more unstable and temperamental, more protective to the point of being suffocating.
We don't really know Tamlin outside of that... We don't know much about what he was like, for example, when he helped Lucien and Alis. We don't know what his government was like BEFORE the curse.
I strongly believe that if Tamlin could choose not to be a High Lord, he would choose to just be a soldier or play the violin in corners.So much so that the GREATEST moment of connection between Feyre and Tamlin is when he tells her he's not alone, that Feyre understands better than anyone the weight of being responsible for people... Having a responsibility that both didn't want and didn't expect... That if he didn't do something, nobody would.
Ultimately, perhaps I'm overanalyzing a character that's used to bring a specific couple together... But that's it.Whether it's Feyre's fault for not knowing anything about it, or Tamlin's fault for not saying anything (the most logical and obvious something to think about. He is very emotionally closed off), or the fault of both, we don't know much about Tamlin's most intimate desires... We don't know what his dreams/desires were or his complete past without these incomplete pieces.
It's very different from Rhys, for example, who takes every opportunity to talk about himself... He does it excessively, to the point where every little thing ends up revolving around him. We know what he does in his free time with his siblings, we know what he does with the money (we just don't know how he pays taxes, obviously because nobody tells Feyre and she doesn't want to think about it) And we know that his High Lord routine seems like just an office job because half of the IC seems to be used as a scapegoat.
In contrast, we know nothing about Rhys's hobbies... With Tamlin, at least we know this part, that he enjoys art and gets excited when Feyre says she paints, writes poetry, and plays the violin. Besides probably really enjoying reading or gardening, since her mother's roses seem well cared for (that's my little fan canon).
I wanted to conclude by mentioning that we don't know if Tamlin was always temperamental or if he became that way... Or if he was, but had ways of controlling it, after all, the guy is a great spy and soldier...I believe you need to be calm and strategic to do something without acting impulsively and letting anger get the better of you.The fact that in the first book, despite showing his claws, he controlled them and even showed them less as time went on with Feyre, especially in UTM, It seems that his change in the second book really has to do with reactions to trauma and that he can no longer maintain as much control over his powers, to the point that they react on their own.Similar to Feyre when she was locked in her house, but unlike Rhys, who stops his own panic attack and manages to control his powers.
It's not a promise because I know I won't be able to keep it.
I'm going back to blindly following Rhysand. In their view, the saga is noticeably simpler and more colorful because the book, and the author herself, is always on the character's side.
You don't bother to think or see nuances because even when Rhys is wrong, the book molds itself so that in the end he seems right, or a misunderstood, always selfless, even when he makes mistakes. And like, man! I want that simplicity in my life! Even the arguments are simple, like "Ah, that's already been justified in the book" or "Did you read the book with your eyes closed?" and also ""Dude, blame the author then, not the character" and my favorite, "Pfft, that wasn't abuse! He was saving and protecting her!"
I don't need to worry about worldly issues, consistency, the trivialization of sexual abuse/assault, and what people consider it to be. I don't need to think about the hypocrisy, double standards, lies of the character, or bad lines like "I wish I could take back that kiss under the mountain [...] Because I didn't make it pleasurable for you."
Books are for relaxing! Not for making me question my sanity as an individual in a society where even a law student defends Rhys and does not consider what he did to be sexual harassment. (I know very well who she would gladly defend in a court)
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Have you seen that meme about how stupid Amarantha was for continuing to pursue Tamlin, even though she had Rhys for herself?Poise.... In my head, If Rhys were a real person, he'd be disgusted by all the fans who do this.I think he would even go so far as to defend Tamlin, because NO ONE wants to be the object of affection for an abusive, tyrannical, and pedophilic woman.
It's the most anti-Tamlin and anti-Rhys meme disguised as a compliment I've ever seen... What's worse is that this meme is accompanied by people saying, "That's why I believe they were partners, because there's no way a person could be like that over Tamlin." The drama is literally Feyre being Tamlin's heroine.... because she loves him
You know, I personally can dislike a character and still understand that even they don't deserve to be harassed, psychologically pressured, or raped....
It's such a ridiculous "who's better" meme, especially when we know Rhys had to put himself in that position...
I didn't want to get to this point, but here goes... What if it were the other way around? What if Amarantha was a man and Tamlin and Rhys were women? It's not just Sarah who doesn't take abuse issues seriously... These people don't either, and it's not their fault! It's the book's own fault for not dwelling much on Tamlin's abuse and focusing on the abuse of Rhys somehow very distorted "a choice" of his... And the fact that Tamlin is toxic/abusive in the second book completely negated the persecution and harassment he would suffer from Amarantha. To the point that nowadays the theory that Amarantha and Tamlin are partners is only considered because... They deserve each other... I think that's the argument that supports this theory.
I would like to talk about Rhysandâs morality in ACOTAR.
Iâll be honest, I loved ACOTAR Rhysand when he was introduced. Like yes Rhys be evil. And then I moved to ACOMAF⌠which was an entire book of justifying Rhysâ actions as ânecessaryâ or âfor Feyreâ safetyâ.
No? No, Feyreâs â¨sexual assault⨠(letâs call it what it is. Because she definitely didnât consent to being objectified) was not for her protection nor it it a required step in âmotivatingâ Tamlin to kill Amarantha. Tam would have killed her anyway. I donât understand the argument or logic behind stripping Feyre bare and parading her around whilst drunk on wine.
Also, this is something I donât see talked about often, whatâs the point in being most feared if Rhys has to dehumanize Feyre for her protection? I feel like it shouldnât have mattered what Feyre wore or how she acted as long as was claimed as âRhysandâs playthingâ. As long as she was âhis publiclyâ, no one who cared for their life would mess with her.
Because Rhysand would have free range to kill anyone who touched her anyway.
Amarantha wouldnât have cared. :V Why would she? She trusted Rhysand ( evidence from ACOMAF chapter 54, read it. And the ending of ACOTAR where Amarantha seemed surprised and called Rhys a traitor)
Besides, in the narrative there were no stakes for making it look like Feyre was a harlot. 𤡠Amarantha did nothing. And I think it would have been more fun for Feyre to experience the court Under the Mountain.
Like: what do they do all day? Is dancing to untuned music all they do? What if we saw Rhysand converse with Eris UTM. Or had Feyre bond more with Rhysand/ have her see the cruelty that is UTM. Because đ§đś it wasnât that bad. Yes, that was the point of drugging her but like ugh UTM was my favorite arch and I wish there was moređ
Has anyone read a theory post about why Feyre's tattoo has NOTHING to do with the Night Court?I don't remember now, and I could be wrong, but doesn't the tattoo have floral patterns? Like, lines that resemble growing plants? And the eye is the only thing close to what you could say has to do with the Night Court.
I think itâs kinda funny that Rhysand thinks heâs so much stronger than Tamlin, even though a lot of what we actually read proves that at best he could go toe-to-toe with him, and Tamlin is known for holding himself back the majority of the time.
Yes! The fact that Rhys was betting on Tamlin's anger, even before he had fully regained his powers, to confront Amarantha, also proves that Tamlin is very strong! But Tamlin himself probably doesn't see it that way or think that way.
Rhys was also concerned about the civilians and the fighting that would ensue if Tamlin fought him, so Tamlin could certainly go toe-to-toe with Rhys without problems, but it would cause a wave of catastrophe.
The mere fact that Tamlin's powers manifested on their own due to a panic attack shows that he has little control over his own powers or knowledge, just like Feyre, When she was locked in the mansion... She didn't explode, but her powers manifested on their own.(Although I mention this, I know that a large part of the characters kind of follow the same line... That emotions end up activating their powers unintentionally, but I'll stick to the argument). Unlike the other two, Rhys has greater control... not only over his powers but also over his emotions. Rhys stopped mid-way, seizing a panic attack and preventing his powers from continuing to manifest.
As a fan of Raven, Scarlet Witch, and Jean Grey, I know that powers tied to emotions are ABSURDLY STRONG, and if you don't have a way to stay in control... Goodbye world lol
Another issue is that even with Tamlin all battered, depressed, and crippled, Cassian still says in ACOSF that they will need the "forces" of the Spring Court, and Rhys insists on taking care of Tamlin...The guy cares more about Tamlin than he does about Nestha, who literally has the power of pure death and knows how dangerous that is in the hands of someone unstable. (It might just be Sarah's inconsistency, but it's her fault for canonizing this concern.)
Tamlin has something that not only equals, but also rivals, Rhys.
Despite everything I've pointed out, we know it's not that deep, and Sarah just wants you to see Rhys as the badass of the ACOTAR universe. So much so that Feyre needed his help to save the world, meaning that even SHE, who has the power of seven cuts combined, can't be more powerful than Rhys.
Let's see. I hope that Sarah's flawed power dynamic makes sense, at least A LITTLE.
I strongly believe in the theory that Sarah hasn't said anything about the new book yet because it will have something to do with Tamlin, and that would displease a large part of the fandom. So she's taking advantage of all this mystery in the pre-sale to sell as many as possible and then reveal it later.
Or maybe Elucien. The publisher here in my country revealed the couple from the book... I mean, maybe it's a bluff and a fake, but if it's notâjust so you know, they used Lucien and Elain in the post about ACOTAR 6 đ¤Ł
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I laughed. But itâs very true that ACOTAR is built entirely on sexism.
It makes me physically ill that the strongest man in Prythian⌠must also whore out a woman (that he ârespectsâ) to control his people.
It doesnât make sense and never will.
Whats the point of Rhysand being feared by all⌠if not for it to be aura farming.
Rhysandâs power is a joke. Itâs just words on a page, because he doesnât use/abuse it AT ALL. (except for people close to him like Feyre, all of IC except for Amren, and towards Tamlin like during the High Lord meeting where he muted his voice.)
And if I had his power, guess what? Call me morally corrupt ect. ect. but Iâd abuse the shit out of my magic to do whatâs best for âthe futureâ I envision.
Especially to prevent a world war/ get allies. And keep my loved ones safe⌠and not treat them as a whore for an elaborate âdistractionâ.
Plus Rhysand is supposed to be morally gray, whatever. Bro never uses his tools that are right there (for real plot purposes. Because he does use his power to torture people off the page.) And spare Feyre from the humiliation that is supposed to be a âwoman empowermentâ moment.
WHERE? Is the feminism in the room with us? I donât think so.
Feyre also has that same power, HELL SHE HAS MORE. She has all seven Courtsđ¤Ś. And she doesnât do a thing for herself without her husband. â°ď¸đś
Feminism and âchoiceâ is all an illusion. Especially when Rhysand is in the same page. Because, Rhysand limits the options to âA or Bâ. Thats not Feyreâs choosing, she is just complying with the narrative, and it certainly never gives her any agency.
Rhys already dodged that argument when he said that the Court of Nightmares practically rules on its own.
But also, the guy couldn't make up his mind about it. He says she's independent while also going there to govern sometimes, but he kind of left Mor in charge there... He also says, I think in another chapter, which definitively gave the city...
So, does he govern or not? Then he shouldn't even have his own throne if the city is independent and has its own people governing. Which, apparently, is Rhys's own fault for functioning this way...
I think Rhys wants to be seen as the leader of that place, but at the same time he doesn't want to take responsibility for the city... He just wants the authority (And he doesn't even have that, believe it or not... Feyre had to behave like a prostitute for them to get what they wanted, and Rhys only agreed because... I don't know, if he didn't agree someone would complain.) He clearly doesn't have it, since he and Feyre had to sexually expose themselves instead of demanding what they wanted from Keir. In other words, Rhys is powerless and utterly useless, unable to protect the integrity of the woman he respects, thus preventing this kind of thing...If THAT were the only option, I could understand, but it wasn't...
The intention was clearly to create something involving female empowerment, exploring female sexuality and such... But if I were to rely solely on the author's intention, then Sarah's books should come with a instruction manual.
The fact that Feyre and Rhys seem fine doing that also doesn't make sense to me. Feyre is fine, she doesn't have trauma related to sexual exposure or what Rhys did to her in UTM, but Rhys? Rhys clearly has trauma related to that... He must feel disgusted having to resort to things like that. To let Feyre think she needs to do this to help them.
I totally agree. Rhysand does not have authority over Hewn City and he does not care tbh. đ§đś he literally only visits when he needs something.
Kier is supposed to be the man head of the Court of Nightmares and Morrigan checks up on it every now and then. Itâs part of the territory, but runs on its own like Illyria. But my main issue isâŚMorrigan also doesnât care about her people. And honestly the entire IC is racist. No joke, the way they talk about Illyrians and Hewn city is disturbing.
Rhysand is also⌠not good with politics. He literally could have negotiated with Kier. Like he does in ACOWARâ which I also didnât agree with how that went down. Or use his mental powers.
But I believe nuance and political plot points are not SJMâs strong suit. when I read the story, I mostly donât blame the characters, but instead the literary direction that SJM takes. Because Iâve read Crescent City and began Throne of glass⌠they show very similar flaws.
Also for the end part where you mention âRhysand probably feels disgusted with exploiting Feyre like thatâ: he does not. ( Rhysand does say he feels uncomfortable. He does say that he doesnât want to re-traumatize Feyreâ but look at his actions. When he talks, it sounds terrible I know, but imagine heâs ALWAYS lying. X,D it makes me laugh. But LITERALLY Feyre couldnât teleport or fly. She didnât know where Hewn City was. And he could have omitted the whole thingâ like he usually does.)
So, in the scene before the The âthrone roomâ part, Feyre was the one fighting to be involved in the plan. (Again Rhys USUALLY omits information, yet he did not omit this? Hm.)
Rhys was like âoh but Feyre, Iâm going to have to be the bad guy. You will have to play as my whore like UTM.â
feyre said, âyou donât scare me!â And then guilt tripped him. Because she was being excluded and has that âtraumaâ with Tamlin, with not being told anything. (Which Rhysand doesnât respect⌠because he does it in ACOSF)
Rhysand would have said no harder, if he cared. But he doesnât. Another instance of him not caring and Feyre being âempoweredâ is in ACOSF with Feyreâs pregnancy reveal. She was wearing a similar dress, but emphasized her belly. Itâs fine to wear revealing clothes, but the intention of the story is not okay.
But Feyre DOESNT dress that way. Morrigan does. Only in Hewn city does she wear these overly revealing clothes.đ§
-Women should not be âempoweredâ just because theyâre attractive, they should not be âempoweredâ only by exploiting their body.
Women can weaponize seduction but⌠ACOTAR is not the story for that.
( Game of Thrones did a better job, and that story has whole other issues. But a lot of the women are written well and show various ways to gain power.)
Amarantha and Ianthe are better representation of women empowerment (Yes villains, etc etc letâs ignore their crimes for a moment. ). Amarantha tricked all the High Lords without selling her body or seducing them for 50 years. Ianthe had the ear of Tamlin, another High Lord, and got him to make a deal with Hybern by exploiting his protective nature for Feyre.
THATS FRICKING COOL.
the way women are treated as a whole⌠is very poor in ACOTAR. I think it hits an astonishing low in ACOSF. But thatâs⌠a lot to unpack. And Iâve seen a LOT of people dislike Rhysand in that book. A lot. Becauseâ literally I think itâs the angle. Rhysand isnât a good guy. If he is painted as a good guy, his character flops entirely. Itâs sad to say, but the way that SJM wants us to see his characterâ is not the way heâs actually written.
This is a big rant. But, when I first read ACOTAR⌠I was confused BECAUSE I thought Rhysand was good. đ I was confused⌠on why the good guys are racist and refuse to help their own people because theyâre âirredeemableâ. I was confused on why THE GOOD GUY went to his wifeâs abuser to bully him and make him more miserable.
LIKE WHO WOULD DO THAT. I wouldnât! Iâd leave him the fuck alone and send someone else. Thatâs fucking WILD. Literally when Rhysand went to kick Tamlin back down in Acofasâ I was taken back. and then HIS MALICE towards Nesta in ACOWAR and ACOSF?! Leave the mentally ill people ALONE MY GOODNESS. If I was Feyre, he would be catching my HANDS. AND ALSO he how he treated Lucien in ACOWAR too. nah thatâs my son. đ the good guy CANNOT be this malicious!
RHYSAND would do so well in Cruel Prince. JUST SAYING.
He doesnât care about people, except his family. EVEN THENâ he harms them too! 𤌠and I donât think itâs badâ- except for the fact that the ENTIRE story tells us âRhysand is goodâ. Even Nesta thinks heâs good to a degree and sheâs his number one hater in the story.đ§đś
I don't have much to defend myself with, but I WILL TRY.
Lucien went to "rescue" Feyre on Tamlin's orders.In this case, it would be Lucien wanting to return Feyre to her abuser.Okay? Okay... But, at the same time that we have THIS context, we also have the context of Rhys being the individual who abused Feyre, has a reputation as a villain, with a repulsive court, and who spent 50 years next to Amarantha
You know what I think? Lucien wasn't just following orders; at least by taking Feyre back to Spring, she wouldn't be with someone WORSE, but simply someone negligent and overly protective.
Regarding him ignoring Feyre's wishes... I believe the obvious; he simply didn't believe that Feyre TRULY wanted to stay there... Again, because of ALL the context surrounding Rhys's reputation, the fear of Feyre being used by him again.
Both Tamlin and Lucien had this in mind... And it was precisely this vision that Feyre used to manipulate Tamlin, among other things. Lying that she was abused, lying that she was controlled, reinforcing this MORE than it already was.
So, I admit I'm totally obsessed with Lucien and defending him, and thinking, "Oh my god, she's focusing on the man," but in my defense, even Sarah does that, especially with that whole story about It was a high-risk pregnancy, and Rhys was still carrying that burden while "learning". Ultimately, it's not fair to blame Lucien entirely, not only for obeying orders, but also for thinking it's right to remove Feyre from there even though she says she doesn't want to leave... Not because "he doesn't respect a woman's 'no,' and his mother didn't teach him that," but because it was unbelievable that the woman who died for them was standing next to the guy who exposed her in UTM and can control minds...
I'm very much on Lucien's side, both in this situation and regarding his supposed "omission" at the mansion.