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the wincest fandom is just so full of clowns because genuinely i still can’t help but laugh at how so many shippers will harass people for calling sam “atticwife” or “brotherwife” and then turn around and claim that it’s somehow in character for sam to rape and abuse dean, that sam is basically john 2.0, and that he wants to keep dean as his little submissive wife

people talk about top/bottom dynamics so definitely (“but they must switch!”) as if switching is the only way to interpret the relationship. fixed dynamics exist in real life, and it should also be represented in fiction, especially in the context of wincest, which isn’t a typical m/m relationship. wincest is a canonically familial and power imbalanced dynamic. and it is built on heteronormative stereotypes, whether you like it or not. you either accept it and work with what’s given by canon, or try to erase it like a coward and make it everyone else’s problem, harassing others over “heteronormative” interpretations when people acknowledge dean’s canonical misogyny, homophobia and his abusive tendencies when it comes to the way he treats his brother

wincest could’ve been a great and aesthetically pleasing ship if the shippers weren’t reducing it to fetishizing submissive omega bottom dean, turning sam into a caricature domtop, and making their dynamic about fanon johndean just to make sam some sort of third wheel

s5 sam saying dean will never punish him as much as he’s already punishing himself is the line that drives me positively insane, because it’s yet another blatant example of their power dynamic and how deansam is father-son coded. dean doesn’t just want to punish sam the way an older brother might — he wants to punish him in a very much paternal way. and sam knows it. and he’ll take as much emotional & physical punishment as dean feels he needs to give him

to those who are interested, i’ve made an ao3 account

Absolutely obsessed with everything you write for Wincest. What's it like knowing that you're the only one who gets their dynamic right?

perhaps dean wouldn’t have taken john’s side if he’d known that john had been molesting sam the whole time

the fact that john mentions in his journal that sam reminds him of mary, and that he used to send dean away so he could be “alone with sammy”, is enough to suggest that something sinister was going on between them (especially when you remember that john is canonically physically violent towards sam)

i love conflicted & tragic wincest. i love dean who locks up his screaming baby brother in a basement and says “at least he dies human” which really means “at least he dies mine”. i love sam who’s devoted to his big brother with his whole being, but also wants to get out and run away as far as possible