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would love to see a story ab the pre arthur gang…aurelius ambrosius igraine uther merlin ganeida rowena vortigern….mental illness central

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So folks here on Tumblr have established how characters like Beowulf, Dietrich of Bern, and as recently pointed out, Hua Mulan are all technically contemporaneous with King Arthur as their stories all occur within that period of c.400-600 AD. Other figures of this Heroic Age are Sigurd/Siegfried and his father Sigmund/Siegemund.
Now, if you consider the Volsunga saga version of Sigmund and Sigurd's story to be canon as opposed to the more chivalric Nibelungenlied, then one must consider how Odin is an active figure who appears at key moments in Sigmund's story, and Loki is a major part of the backstories of Fafnir and Regin.
Where I'm going with this is it raises the implication that along with all the Christian elements and the Celtic Otherworld, the Norse/Germanic gods also exist in some shape or form, which itself raises questions about the general cosmology of this Heroic Age.
I'm sure one can try to weave together something clever and coherent out of all this, or perhaps even leave it incoherent and purposefully ambiguous.
Just some food for thought.
Odin is also the ancestor of Hengist and Horsa. By extention, this means Rowena, Vortigern's paramour, is descended from Odin. Also, King Lot is part norse.
Also, Ninianne/Vivian/Nimue's lake is called the "Lake of Diana" and Diana herself is LotL's godmother. Sebile also tamed Cerberus, btw.
Not to start discourse but I will be forever mad that every time I go into the Goncharov tag I see people complaining that they watched the movie expecting a soft queer romcom about pure cinnamon rolls and instead they got a complex and violent film about deeply flawed people where everyone dies.
By all means, engage in fandom however you choose. But don’t blame the source material for not being consistent with some random fanon on tumblr. Kinda wild to get mad that the movie about violent, morally dark grey criminals has violence, crime and moral greyness in it. You know? Also, imho given the time this movie was made, the queer coding was daring; this is NOT an example of queerbaiting.
Goncharov is known to have derived heavily from the Shakespearean tragedy, Vortigern and Rowena; of course it gets violent!
Tristan and an unsympathetic Gaheris

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from culhwch and olwen
Yehaw!
All Arthurian ladies are unshaven everywhere and I need yall to remember that.
Like they got hair on their legs, pits, pubis. They are not smooth as a dolphin bro.
Hollywood makes us forget this with their portrayals of medieval era women with perfectly plucked eyebrows and hairless everythings.
I have had close to nothing but Morgause on the brain for the last week so it is Morgause Time... the thing is when a woman is deeply misunderstood and also actively done dirty (T.H. White I'm looking at you) I must become her defender
I like Culhwch ac Olwen I think more people should read it hehe
The Guinevere of the Chapel, from Post Vulgate
Hmm.
A story about a "Queen Guenevere" that's found nowhere else in Arthuriana. Who is said to be Percival's Ancestor, a concept also found nowhere else.
I have a sneaking suspicion that this is a random welsh folktale that somehow got inserted into the Post Vulgate. I suspect this because it lines up with a few things I know from the welsh canon:
Four sons = Amr, Gwydre, Llacheu, and Duran
Daughter who wants to marry one of her father's warriors = Archfedd daughter of Arthur from Bonedd y Saint, who married the warrior Llawfrodedd and bore two children, Efadier and Gwrial.
The Knight = Llawfrodedd Farchog, one of Arthur's warriors, who is said to have a knife that's one of the 13 Treasures of Britain.
Just my speculation though...

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The next generation Round Table (had Camelot not fallen)
Primary successors of Arthur: Amr, Loholt and Melora
Secondary successors of Arthur: Arthur the Less, Gwydre, Duran, Smerbhie/Moroie, Archfedd, Seleucia, Gyneth
The Round Table proper (Exempting Galahad and female characters):
Garanwyn/Gronosis (Son of Kay)
Amren (Son of Bedivere)
Annyanniog (Son of Menw)
Gingalain (Son of Gawain)
Florente (Son of Gawain)
Lovell (Son of Gawain)
Ysaye le Triste (Son of Tristan) (also filling in for other Tristan kids)
Elyan the White (Son of Bors)
Lohengrin (Son of Percival)
Kardeiz II (Son of Percival)
Melehan (Son of Mordred)
Melehan's Brother (Son of Mordred)
Menes/Menet or Munsolinos (Son of Palamedes)
Brisan (Son of "Galeazzo")
Bronsindel (Son of "Galeazzo")
Findonflor (Son of Hector de Maris)
Florismarte (Son of Lancelot)
Lac/Ilax II (Son of Erec/Geraint)
Yniol/Odus (Son of Erec/Geraint)
Cahus (Son of Ywain the Bastard)
Sodoc (Son of Lamorak)
Drian (Son of Dinadan)
Possible Extra:
Gargantua (Grandson of Lancelot and Guinevere)
Vanoc (Son of Merlin)
Afaon (son of Taliesin)
Tewdwr Mawr (Son of Hoel of Brittany)
Rhun (son of Maelgwn of Gwynedd)
Maranz (Son of The King with the Hundred Knights)
Cargril (Son of The King with the Hundred Knights)
Royth (son of Rhun son of Urien, Owain's nephew)
Brandor (Son of Brandelis)
Carduino (Son of Dodinel)
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In 1838 Lady Charlotte Guest published her translation of "The Lady of the Fountain", one of the earliest Arthurian legends. Between 1838 and 1845, she published seven further volumes of medieval Welsh folklore, mythology, and other tales, in what became the very first English language edition of The Mabinogion.
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Arthur: [To Glewlwyd Gavaelfawr] "...And here is Kay, my finest warrior. He killed the Saxons by the hundreds! Consumed them with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse!"

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Funny how people hate Guinevere and Lancelot for the whole adultery thing when Mordred is right there like who do you think started the whole adultery trend thing hm? Arthur?
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