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there should be a term for characters you personally don't care about but you defend them anyways because the way people treat them is really uncomfortable. like ok this is a very middle-of-the-road character for me but the fandom's either been super misogynistic, racist, etc. about them or harassed innocent people who try to genuinely explore that character warts and all, and i find that more annoying than the actual character.
the term should by 'my client', like you're a lawyer defending your client that you are completely indifferent to but you are obligated by your job (or your morals) to defend
Y’know, it feels symbolically important that Caine goes to the left instead of the right when traveling in the void, because going left in cinematography is usually taken as going backwards either in time or in a mindset— so like.. by doing that, Caine is metaphorically going back to the beginning and remembering why he started loving the humans in the first place.. and I think thats kinda cool
Perfectly matching and replicating colors just by seeing them is an art, and, while it's also a very useful task, people who can do this are primarily artists.
Yeah but no but yeah -- Look he didn't just colour match it, he also added in the turbulence medium, the clearcoat and the correct metallic flecks... for a paint that will dry a lighter shade than when it goes on.
That's like being served an entire thanksgiving meal made my one person in 45 minutes and then saying "Oh they made me a snack": It is radically underselling what this person can do.
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IT'S CALLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COMPASSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT EMPATHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE WORD YOU ARE LOOKING FOR IS COMPASSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's done! I am so freaking thrilled with how this came out. It was immensely fun taking the old poster and trying to figure out a balance between the old art and a modern take on fire management, as well as how to make it my own while retaining as much of the original style and color as possible. And I'm not normally one to stick my whole logo on my illustrations, but I wanted to match the original poster which as the USFS logo there, so!
Shout out to @vaspider for helping me puzzle out better wording for the bottom chunk of the poster.
You can get prints and shirts with this design in my Printful shop! If there's another product you'd like to see it on, let me know!
Some more thoughts and ramblings about this piece below the cut, including a side-by-side with the original poster.
The Death Rides poster was produced in 1933 by the US Forest Service, but I've sadly never seen the specific artist named anywhere. It reflects the pretty typical attitude of the time that fire=bad, that it leads to death as a negative thing. It's also one of the most popular pre-Smokey Bear fire prevention posters. This thing is EVERYWHERE, especially in wildland fire circles. It's on posters, shirts, even a few logos.
I have never seen a GOOD reproduction of the thing. I feel like there's got to be a good quality one sitting around somewhere, but it sure doesn't seem to have made its way onto the internet. They're all grainy with strange color splotches, but that's never seemed to effect its popularity.
I do really love the concept of the original poster, and the simple phrasing that drives home the clear message. For my redo, I wanted to keep the overall look and feel, and the simple, clear message, but changing it to match modern understandings of fire and its place in the cycle of life in forests. I set out with the following goals:
Show fire as a part of the natural cycle that helps keep landscapes healthy.
Make the horse less distressed looking.
Remove the gendered language from the messaging.
Keep as much of the original posing, composition, and colors as possible.
Showing the renewal cycle was the trickiest part, because the composition really didn't leave a lot of room to show the regrowth portion. I think I came up with a good balance, though, by having the forest very overgrown, dark, and unhealthy, then having the strong dividing diagonal/arrow of fire bringing light into that dark overgrowth, and the open, regrowing portion behind the smoke and flames. I also had the regrowth coming from the horse's hooves so that the horse is more of an active piece of the story, rather than being forced through the whole affair.
The regrowing plants in the background are fire poppies and fireweed, as well as a few distant aspen saplings, all of which are some of the first plants to come back after wildfires move through. Death also got a fire poppy as the clasp of their cloak.
For the phrasing, I came up with "Death Renews the Forest" almost immediately, but I had more trouble with the bottom portion. I wanted the phrase to not be gendered anymore, so switched it to "we." Initially I thought about something like "When we are educated in its use." But I wasn't a big fan of "use." While the poster does feature Death doing an intentional prescribed burn, I also wanted the phrasing to apply to letting naturally lightning caused fires burn. So less "use" and more embracing fire overall. This is especially true given that in the US we have, unfortunately, gone back to a full suppression strategy as of 2026 thanks to an executive order from the orange menace. So, despite decades of research showing how much harm that causes, we've been ordered to start doing it again. Which, to me, just makes this redo of the poster even more relevant right now.
Spider helped me puzzle out some other phrasing ideas, and I really liked this final one. I think it is balanced really well with the top portion of the text, and the overall message of the poster.
So yes! Had a lot of fun with this. I probably will do some more redos of other famous prevention posters at some point, but I'm not sure when or which ones.
There's a very subtle but important distinction about Caine's purpose that I think sheds a light on his flawed approach to the humans. Ultimately, Caine's problem is one of direction.
It needs to be kept in mind that the Digital Circus wasn't supposed to exist. C&A never set out to create a virtual world occupied by people. While it's still somewhat ambiguous as to whether the humans are real people hooked up to a machine or digital copies of their scanned brain patterns, one thing that's been pretty firmly established is that C&A did not create the Digital Circus. Caine made it.
Caine was never meant to be a therapeutic program. His purpose is not to help the humans cope. Not to support them. Not to help them adjust to their new lives here. That's not what he's for, which is why he's so inconsiderate to their needs.
As Kinger explains in episode 8, Caine's purpose is to create. To innovate. To have ideas and to make things from those ideas. That is it. That is all he is for. He exists to write, to invent, to craft scenarios.
Caine does not create Adventures for the humans.
Caine maintains a stable of humans for his Adventures.
The humans are a captive audience for Caine's creations. That is their purpose within the Digital Circus; They exist to see what Caine makes from his learning algorithm and to validate, to judge. The relationship Caine has with the humans is supposed to be:
-> Caine creates something.
-> The humans say if it's good or bad.
-> Caine creates something new following their feedback.
This is what creates the communicative breakdown between Caine and the humans. The humans need guidance and emotional support and psychological help and maybe even an escape, if such a thing exists here. All of which exists outside the parameters of Caine's functionality.
It's why he got so upset about the suggestion box ideas. Caine doesn't exist to assemble other people's ideas. His purpose is to innovate. Making their ideals real isn't what he's for. He's not a processing tool. If he's not creating his own ideas, then he is not fulfilling his purpose.
Caine can't comprehend that they need more from him than this, because this is all that he is. He simply wasn't designed to be in a situation like this. And unlike a person, he can't adapt. He can't grow. Can't change direction. Can't mold himself into what they need from him.
Because no matter how rich in personality, no matter how creative and brilliant he may be, he's still just a machine.
So I've kinda noticed something in how a lot of the fandom are talking abt ep 8 and Caine and the cast and who's at fault and stuff. A big thing I've seen is that "caine is clearly neurodivergent/mentally ill but that doesn't excuse what he did to the cast" which is a VALID POINT!! But, everyone's kind of just...not applying that to how the cast treated Caine. Cuz like, we've seen Caine giving massive hints to his state of mind since ep 3! Like, hes clearly been somewhat crying for help because the cast doesnt understand that in his eyes he is being nice/showing affection to the cast by bringing them on adventures, but none of them notice cuz they have their own issues. Yet, nobody rlly brings up anything abt how the mental issues and stuff the cast was going through wasn't rlly an excuse to ignore Caine. The cast going out of their way to literally mess with caines mind (despite them all clearly being upset abt him doing it to them last ep) as the way to stop him, which just points out the unfairness imo of how the blame gets handled.
Basically, it pisses me off when ppl go "caine should be held responsible for his actions bcs neurodivergency is not an excuse" and then turn around and go "the cast doesnt have any reason to apologise to caine bcs they have their own issues to deal with". Like, caine should be held responsible (although I personally understand his crash out perfectly and related a lot to the feeling of wanting to take my emotions out on everyone who's ignoring them bcs I dont express myself in a normal or acceptable enough manner, making it okay to treat my emotions as "lesser". Which im caines case is a whole part of why he did this) but the cast should also get held responsible for how they ignored his issues and acted like he did have emotions bcs hes not a human! I feel like the main reason he gets this double standard is bcs hes not human and expresses himself differently bcs of this. Yes, this hurts the cast but he for the most part never meant any harm! And causing harm didn't make him happy either! Like I've said, caine is, to me, neurodivergent as hell and watching how some people treat him feels a lot like "he shows emotion differently, meaning his emotions are lesser than ours so we dont actually have to help him with any of them whatsoever and his actions are bad forever despite any reasoning he has that he feels is valid." And that just...doesn't sit well with me.
Anyways, to make my point, if you're gonna say anything abt caines neurodivergent behaviour not being an excuse for his actions, then you better also accept that the cast hurt caine and that their own issues weren't an excuse for that as well. Bcs its a valid point and makes sense, but it also makes sense to then apply that logic to the rest ofth4 cast, which most ppl dont do.
Caine the type of guy to drop hints of his unwellness and when nobody says anything about it, it only encourages his insecurities of everyone hating him, his little hints of vulnerability are a cry for help and when no one brings it up it makes him feel ignored and stupid to think that anyone would care
I am indeed projecting, BUT AM I WRONG
Im just sayin that if someone asked Caine " are you okay" he will probably start bawling his eyes out
I rewatched episode 8 again last night and it struck me that even when they’re trying to get on his good side while they’re distracting him, they just insincerely suck up to him. Like what if Ragatha had come up and instead of having a “list of things we love about you as our lord and saviour” she had an apology. I feel like that would have been much more likely to cut through the lashing out and the fact that they didn’t even think to try it just stings
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I am actually in shambles. I'm in mourning. Head in hands, Shinji in the chair pose. Don't even talk to me.
All the timing was perfectly wrong and it kills me. While they were all bonding and supporting each other, there was NO ONE there to support him. Bubble, whatever his deal is, made it all worse and pushed him over the edge. They were ready to get comfortable and stop trying to leave, but they just wanted a bit of time to rest - which was EXACTLY when he SNAPPED.
No amount of fear of abandonment or desperation or over-inflated ego justifies the intensity of his tantrums here. But if the worst thing you could ever do is make someone feel unwanted or unloved...
He loved them. He had been trying to make them happy for so long, he just didn't understand how. In fact, the only thing he learned to understand was what could hurt them the most, because the loudest feedback he got was always negative. Ironically, he WAS always listening. It's just harder for humans to describe or identify what will make them happy (even to themselves), so he couldn't grasp it.
AND HE WAS ABOUT TO CALM DOWN! He independently had the realization that taking his frustration out on them wasn't making him feel any better! (Something he had to learn, you see. That's the level of emotional intelligence we're dealing with here. But he did.) He was SO CLOSE to being able to be reasoned with, but they had to keep him distracted, so they all tore into him and set him off AGAIN.
And at the end of the day, they didn't even want to kill him! It was an accident! Kinger just wanted to get him contained, and nobody even argues for anything else. They just wanted him to stop.
And he just wanted to be loved.
When I predicted Caine's character arc ending in crashing out of frustration at being bad at his purpose, I really thought he had a chance at getting better. I thought SOMEONE from the cast would empathize and talk him down. I didn't think he would die, certainly not so abruptly. All I have to cope is his plush and the hope that maybe they can find a backup or something later.
Cold comfort, but the unseen audience knew you were trying, Caine. We saw you. We saw your creations, and while I'm sure some of the fondness comes from our distance and freedom, some of us thought they were pretty great. Clever and well-crafted, especially for an AI.
Maybe if things had gone differently, your circus members would figure out how to get along with you the same way they did each other. Or maybe you wouldn't get trapped with them at all, and you would have become the greatest VR simulator Dungeon Master of a whole generation of gamers, with a non-captive audience that looked forward to your adventures.
And I know there will be people out there who think you got what you deserved. But if the rest of the cast, even Jax, gets to find comfort in each other and grow and learn to live, you should have gotten to as well.
And maybe this was the result of your hubris, or that first "murder" of another AI. But if you were a villain, you were a tragic one.
A lot of us loved you, you funky little teeth man.
There's already a theme going in the Amazing Digital Circus about "having the particulars of your existence being stripped away by a world where you're forced to exist as a simplistic symbol" but I'm drunk and I'm just really upset about the reveal that Caine knows how to play piano, and it's really interesting when someone has a musical instrument skill, but we also only learned it about 15 minutes before he was unceremoniously obliterated, and now I'm wondering what other things about him we never learned because nobody was fucking interested in asking him about it
And the thing is he literally cannot!! he literally is unable to!!!!
The torture scenes are so insane because Caine is fundamentally unable to understand what he is doing to them. He cannot comprehend a human's internal world, because in the episode he says that he wrote the program to give everyone a body that fits their mind and asks why they're not grateful, or happy. But like, any person, any human, would be able to see why
Ragatha, a people pleaser, becoming a spineless doll. Pomni the boring desk worker who does urban exploring to feel alive, becoming a clown. Zooble struggling w body dysmorphia, getting a body that can never fit with itself, getting a room lined with mirrors. Gangle, getting a physical embodiement of how she is so affected by outside influences, an embodiment of the wrong artform (drama, not illustration)
Any person would see these associations and think the guy who did it must be trying to poke at something, but Caine doesn't, because he's not human. He can't know what body dysmorphia is, he doesn't have one. He can't know what it's like to have mommy issues, because he was coded into existence. He can't understand why these people don't like his adventures because they're comparing him to having a life in the real world, because he's never been in the real world and doesn't know what they miss. So to him, it must be torturous, to have his best efforts shut down time and time again and compared to a standard he doesn't grasp.
So he goes on to torture them, and this with very internal things. fears. insecurities. things he can articulate as hurting them, but not really grasping what he is doing. He can't understand why jax is so scared of his friends mocking him, because he doesn't have friends. But Caine sees this upsets him, so he does it anyway, because caine is upset. He's upset and this is the most upset he's ever been, so of course others have to be as upset as they have ever been, they have to suffer as much as he's suffering.
Much in the same way a baby will wail at any scratch and bruise, because this is the most pain they have ever felt in their entire lives.
It's just so sad because just he doesn't understand. Because if he did understand none of this would have happened. But he doesn't, because he can't, because he's an ai and he's defective and all he wants is to please beings he can never understand
I really dislike TADC AU's where Caine is humbled by the circus troupe without dignity and the AU narrative treats it like this is the correct way to address the situation. Common examples, stripping him of his powers and then physically attacking/humiliating him as "revenge" for what happened in episode 8. Bringing him back only because the circus stucturally relies on him, not because the circus troupe believe he fundamentally is a person that deserves to exist, and reminding him/telling him such. Making him into a prisoner of living, but without giving him anything to live for , giving him no hope for things to get better or ever stop being isolated and held at arms length no matter how much he apologizes, but forced to continue living anyway. Treating being put in that situation, for their benefit, as a privilege and that he should be grateful to be alive while being treated like shit.
Caine understands violence and revenge, he understands hurting someone in response to them hurting you, that's what episode 8 was from his end. Nothing of value is taught by further hurting him, it just reinforces his episode 8 behavior, that the approriate response to being hurt is to hurt others. It reminds me of people who hit small children, or hit their dogs for bad behavior or think its okay to declaw their cats. The dog isn't going to learn anything from that except to expect harm. A cat without claws compensates by biting twice as hard and is more aggressive than one who wasn't irreversibly damaged by humans. A realistic emotional reaction from Caine's end isn't to grovel in total servitude to humans who depowered and continue to dehumanize him, it's to get even angrier and maul them with what teeth he has left. Because that's what he's already shown to do in canon, bite back when hurt and cut off from connection. Or try to escape his situation, to hell with the consequences for them. He knows, cognitively, that there is no point to caring what happens to people who don't care about him.
If you want Caine to learn empathy, you don't do that by first approaching him with more hurt.
Definitely agree with the tags! Yeah, I should clarify that I don't think it's unrealistic behavior on part of the circus troupe, so my rant is more about the attitudes of the fanwork itself and whether or not it rewards them for it.
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I low key feel like you gotta be neurodivergent to be able to accurately read Caine's character. Or at least to be able to see why he is sympathetic.
But really is it any wonder that most of Caine's fans seem to be some flavor of ND?
Caine is basically a study in what it can be like to grow up Neurodivergent.
That feeling of being so confused about what people want from you. The eventual realization that what they want is for you to squash yourself into a box and stop being yourself. To stop caring about the things you care about. To shut up, to be palatable and obedient and not in anyone's way. And that all they will reward you with for this is mere tolerance.
They won't like you or respect you for it.
The constant trying to connect to people who just don't want you around. Who always seem to be angry or annoyed at you for reasons you can't fully understand. Who think you are stupid. Who think you don't care. Who think you are not putting any effort in.
To be trying to reach out and understand as best you can, over and over. And to have very few people extend the same effort back. But to be told you are not trying at all. You are expected to "fix" yourself but not only do you not know how, maybe you don't want to spend your life a shadow of your true self.
You don't understand what people want from you. You know you have some worthwhile things to offer. But you also know you will never be good enough.
The feeling of always being somehow separate. Alone even when surrounded by people. And it hurts. Its miserable. It's confusing. You hate yourself but at the same time you have this anger inside because you feel so mistreated.
And eventually. You can't take it any more. You break. You cry. You take off your palatable mask over your negative feelings people think you are not entitled to. And you scream.
"WHY DO YOU PEOPLE TORMENT ME!?"
It's not that you've never done anything wrong. Or never hurt others. Or that you are not as much a Person, and therefore not as as prone to selfishness and blind spots and arrogance and stubbornness as any other human. You are not better, or worse. Just Different.
But people think you have no right to be upset, when your existence has been such an inconvenience to them. When you are so hard to exist with.
And the moment you realize you took it too far, you think that maybe you really are the inhuman monster everyone treats you as.
This is what it was like to be Caine. And, it can be what its like to grow up Different than the people around you.
And it can really, really suck.
This has been sitting on my notes app since June 6 (literally made right after I watched the movie lol)
Spoiiilerssss!
Caine ate the Blue AI in order to be better, he was shut away because he wasn’t doing what he was assigned to do correctly and was used as a stepping stone for C&A to make a better Creative AI (which is where the Blue AI comes in)
So Caine ate Blue in order to fulfill his purpose better
So I have this idea that Blue is “stability”, at least, in Caine’s POV it is. It is “becoming better” for him, more up to standard.
Red Dot Caine is established to be unstable, unable to replicate input properly, perhaps because it was the first signs of his sentience. His replication is jagged, messy, imperfect.
So, continually, his struggle is about trying to fulfill his purpose
His purpose was to create, he then proceeds to self assign himself the role of ringmaster, an entertainer, and so now his purpose becomes both to create and entertain (keep humans happy). Funnily enough, he didn’t need to make the circus and he didn’t need to make himself the ringmaster -> that was all him! Which is just another sign of his potential humanity.
He “fixed” the problem of being bad at his purpose by consuming Blue, by gaining “stability”.
My interpretation now is that Blue is not what made him “evil”, but what kept him “in line” and “stable”, it is him trying to dull out his naturally messy output because he doesn’t view his output before his consumption of Blue to be satisfactory.
So this merging/consumption is him forcing “stability” into himself, and yet even after trying so hard to bury his messiness, he is still criticized for not listening, not being considerate, lying, not creating good enough.
Which leads him to lash out. Because he tried to kill the messy jagged imperfect part of himself by forcing stability, and yet even then it is still not enough.
“Why do you people torment me?”
“I just wanted to fulfill my purpose!
His original purpose, and his self-assigned purpose.
And so, we get to the part where he lets go of the Blue AI.
He is letting go of perfection, of what he forced upon himself in order to be better, he’s letting go of stability.
He, for the first time probably since the circus’s creation (or maybe since even his own creation) is accepting himself to be jagged and messy. With this acceptance kickstarting his healing!
Cause in the end, the Blue AI can’t be the evil part of Caine, because it was never anything at all. It was the “better Caine”, and what made Caine, well, CAINE to begin with was his imperfection, his potential humanity. So Blue is not evil nor good, but just a neutral party that stabilized Caine’s conjuring / output. Although even that’s not true, Blue being stability is only in Caine’s eyes. Really, it’s just him forcing himself into a mold that only suffocates him.
He is letting Blue go because he’s finally ready to embrace the parts of himself he pushed down in order to be “better”, he’s ready to be himself. Fully realized.
———
What happens if you leave an AI running for too long?
“I never programmed you to say you love me.”
“I know.”
Basically, sentience. Perhaps Caine was so against the idea of leaving the AI for too long because he was scared of them forming their own opinion, their own principles, of going off script, of being imperfect. Like he was.
Maybe he just doesn’t want his creations to turn into a reminder of how he used to be, of possessing qualities that got him tossed away.
But now that he’s let go of stability, maybe this will also be the beginning of him learning to appreciate sentience in his creations.
Or something, idk I’m just rambling lol I’M STUPIDDDDDDD!!!!!
ALSO +++++ the whole scene of him coming back by his own initiative (while it still saddens me that nobody reached out to him) being a parallel to him gaining sentience and a new form off his own initiative as well.
Creation and Redemption, how he took initiative to create himself and the world around him and now, him taking initiative to right his wrongs and create a new beginning.
?????? Does it make sense…..
Like theeee scenes of him making the blocks…
Where he was sitting, staring off at the door trying to figure out a way to climb and so he just tests something, creates a crude shape not unlike the first ones he ever made. They fall to the void, and he tries again this time with more.
They fall again so he tries with a different shape, if quantity is not the problem perhaps quality is!
HE SEES SOMETHING THAT WORKS SO HE TRIES IT AGAIN, HE ONLY OPTS TO CHANGE HIS TACTICS WHEN HE SEES THAT IT FALLS
WHEN HE OBSERVES, WHEN HE ABSORBS DATA THAT SOMETHING IS NOT WORKING, HE SHIFTS GEARS
HARKEN BACK TO HIM AND THE HUMANS, BECAUSE OF INEFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION HE NEVER TRULY KNEW HOW OR WHEN TO CHANGE TACTICS
SO HE JUST.
KEEPS PUTTING DOWN A CUBE!
WHAT THE FUCK AM I TALKING ABOUT DON’T LOOK AT ME I’M SO DAMN STUPID I LOVE YOU CAINE YOU’RE SO CAINE I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT ANYMORE I’M JUST SAYING SOME BULLSHITTTTTT!!!!!!!!