Hologram Cowboy

Also, to be clear, I've been trafficked and abused for most of my life. I'm barely even free now. I very much know what abuse looks like. Making your partner the butt of the joke is really mean, but it isn't life destroying. Also, reminder, we do not know these people. For all we know Jensen might think that's the funniest shit on the planet and him acting like it isn't is part of the joke. We do not have cameras in these peoples houses. Their relationship isn't happy and healthy, that much is obvious, but I really don't think throwing around such a heavy accusation is good for anyone here. If there's video of something like Daneel hitting him or berating him I'd change my opinion, but I've never seen such.

If you think she's abusive, hate her for being abusive. Not because you think she's actually too skinny or whatever. Feel however you want about her body but talking about it in such gross ways perpetuates misogyny.

I am deeply sorry about your experiences, Anon. I’ve watched several documentaries about human trafficking and even spoken to journalists undercover in the field. Words cannot encompass what you’ve been through and no one should ever go through something like that.

That being said, I just want to point out that abuse comes in many forms. My ex was viewed as perfect by everyone, little did they know that at home he gaslighted and devalued me to the point where I ended up wanting to end my life. What I’m trying to say is that abuse doesn’t always leave visible scars, something the scars are internal and they can fester and become highly dangerous to an individual’s mental and physical health. If only Danneel were simply joking, unfortunately, she full on devalues Jensen in from of other people. It may seem harmless but in reality it chips away at someone’s self worth. I have no idea if she abuses him physically( though he did once have a wound he had several excuses for.) but she definitely devalues him. Jensen has stated many times that he must continuously work to impress her, that is not a normal relationship dynamic and walking on eggshells around your partner and never feeling like enough is not a healthy dynamic. Many people think it is, sadly, because they don’t know anything better. I think that, as a celebrity(by proxy thanks to Jensen, without him she would be nothing), Danneel is an example to people and so the behaviour she models is highly important, the same goes for Jensen, he needs to set boundaries. I know Jensen isn’t exactly the perfect partner but no one deserves to be devalued.

Let’s take my example. I am a victim of CSA. There is nothing more horrifying than that. To be a child and have yourself taken advantage of because somebody decides they can. People believed my abuse and I got the help I needed.

My friend, she was a victim of coercive control and child neglect. For years she tried to get help but was constantly pushed back. ‘Others have it worse.’ ‘Oh they were just joking.’ ‘You’re overreacting.’ Those were the kind of statements she lived with until one day her mind completely fractured and she tried to end her own life. When I spoke to her about it and asked why she never told me what happened she said ‘because you were a victim of abuse, I wasn’t.’

I was heartbroken that she saw my abuse as more worthy than hers because it was physical and hers was mental. I have recovered from what happened to me, she hasn’t. She’s lived nearly 40 years with people who have your attitude telling her she wasn’t a victim of abuse. She was, she lost her childhood, teens, 20s and most of her 30s to it and it’s only now she may finally be able to have a life at nearly 40.

Exposing a girl for calling her out that Jensen settled and had her fans attack her. Also her not being there for Jensen after the finale or the Rust tragedy. Telling him to talk to someone else.

So. I disagree there with the whole "hit dogs holler" thing for one reason. None of us match the criteria for which you're describing us. None of us have shamed Danneel for being "fat" (honestly, who did??) nor have any of us poo-pooed her for being too thin for the sake of being too thin. If anything, I think just about all of us expressed concern over her growing slim form.

But here's why we reiterated we're not misogynistic: because we've had that flung at us over and over and FUCKING OVER despite all the repeated reasons all over our goddamn blogs! Mine is this HUGE master post no less! I have a well-researched master post covering over a decade if not MORE of her nasty behavior toward fans and Jensen! Oh and JARED too! Do you honestly need more evidence of her bad behavior and personality to explain why I don't like her?? I got more, I swear, but I stopped because I got tired of reading about her toxic behavior! It was actually making me sick because it just keeps going on and on and ON!

No reason to dislike her? We have PLENTY outside of her being Jensen's wife! Plenty! And it stems from her being a bitch to fans, attacking them for no reason, to putting down Jensen left, right and center! No, it isn't FUNNY to belittle your spouse, to demean them, to LIE about something beloved (like Supernatural), to constantly diminish them. No, I don't think he thinks it's funny--because of how she had to follow up with "I'm just kidding!" during Wales Comic Con. Only people who know it wasn't funny follow up with that.

Science has shown it isn't funny, anon, to belittle your spouse like that. Negativity like that actually does eat away at them, chips away at them, and destroys them. It just takes longer. Think of it like a river at a stone. Eventually the stone is destroyed. It IS abuse, period. And I don't think Jensen likes it, or he wouldn't have actively tried to avoid her during Wales Comic Con panel the way he did. He pulled away from her the whole time, avoided responding to her the way he did, and essentially did what psychology calls "grey rocking". If you don't react to the narcissist or abuser, it weakens their power. And she tried HARD to get him to respond.

It IS abuse, anon. It may not be recognized as a crime, but it is when an adult does it to a child, so why not if an adult does it to another adult? Explain that mystery. I'd love that explained one day.

I'm sorry for what happened to you, but I assure you, emotional abuse can be life destroying. I could throw study after study after study at you about how it can literally damage your body, creating chronic health conditions that would take decades to recover. Don't dismiss it that easily.

We don't hate Danneel. Don't accuse us of that. We dislike her. If one of us have said that, fling that ask at the person who has said that. If one of us has said something that deserved the accusation of misogyny, throw that ask at the person who has legitimately deserved it, not at the wide-spread anti community. We--Walkergirl, Hologramcowboy, myself, my other mutuals--are downright exhausted at the accusations of being misogynistic when we have legitimate reasons to dislike Danneel. Just absolutely done.

I am anti abuse. My reasons to dislike Danneel are long, varied, and downright well researched. Others have come across those reasons and agreed or disagreed. Which is FINE. But don't accuse me it's because I'm jealous of her because she's Jensen's wife.

It isn't.

It will never be that reason.

So a certain feminist group are calling out women for shaving because its patriarchy. I myself shave and i do understand thats shaving is a beauty standard for women but i just like having a shaved body. What my problem is tho that these certain people shame women for shaving saying they are "less of a feminist" if they shave and tell them shaving is a part of patriarchy and pedophilic.

Wasnt the goal of feminisn that women can decide what they do, without having anyone tell them what to do, especially men. And these feminist telling women what to do just doesnt make sense to me. Having body hair is normal, i wont shame anyone for not shaving but why shame someone for shaving? I guess the "my body my choice" doesnt apply here for some reason. At this point we are not allowed to do anything. Shaving? No go. Not shaving? No go.

Most feminist destroyed the meaning of feminism with telling women what to do or hating on men. Feminism is about wanting to be equal and women should have a choice without anyone telling them what they should do or not.

Anyway i wanted to see the opinion of more women about this so feel free to answer or ignore this message. Have a nice day :)

Also, to be clear, I've been trafficked and abused for most of my life. I'm barely even free now. I very much know what abuse looks like. Making your partner the butt of the joke is really mean, but it isn't life destroying. Also, reminder, we do not know these people. For all we know Jensen might think that's the funniest shit on the planet and him acting like it isn't is part of the joke. We do not have cameras in these peoples houses. Their relationship isn't happy and healthy, that much is obvious, but I really don't think throwing around such a heavy accusation is good for anyone here. If there's video of something like Daneel hitting him or berating him I'd change my opinion, but I've never seen such.

If you think she's abusive, hate her for being abusive. Not because you think she's actually too skinny or whatever. Feel however you want about her body but talking about it in such gross ways perpetuates misogyny.

I am deeply sorry about your experiences, Anon. I’ve watched several documentaries about human trafficking and even spoken to journalists undercover in the field. Words cannot encompass what you’ve been through and no one should ever go through something like that.

That being said, I just want to point out that abuse comes in many forms. My ex was viewed as perfect by everyone, little did they know that at home he gaslighted and devalued me to the point where I ended up wanting to end my life. What I’m trying to say is that abuse doesn’t always leave visible scars, something the scars are internal and they can fester and become highly dangerous to an individual’s mental and physical health. If only Danneel were simply joking, unfortunately, she full on devalues Jensen in from of other people. It may seem harmless but in reality it chips away at someone’s self worth. I have no idea if she abuses him physically( though he did once have a wound he had several excuses for.) but she definitely devalues him. Jensen has stated many times that he must continuously work to impress her, that is not a normal relationship dynamic and walking on eggshells around your partner and never feeling like enough is not a healthy dynamic. Many people think it is, sadly, because they don’t know anything better. I think that, as a celebrity(by proxy thanks to Jensen, without him she would be nothing), Danneel is an example to people and so the behaviour she models is highly important, the same goes for Jensen, he needs to set boundaries. I know Jensen isn’t exactly the perfect partner but no one deserves to be devalued.

Let’s take my example. I am a victim of CSA. There is nothing more horrifying than that. To be a child and have yourself taken advantage of because somebody decides they can. People believed my abuse and I got the help I needed.

My friend, she was a victim of coercive control and child neglect. For years she tried to get help but was constantly pushed back. ‘Others have it worse.’ ‘Oh they were just joking.’ ‘You’re overreacting.’ Those were the kind of statements she lived with until one day her mind completely fractured and she tried to end her own life. When I spoke to her about it and asked why she never told me what happened she said ‘because you were a victim of abuse, I wasn’t.’

I was heartbroken that she saw my abuse as more worthy than hers because it was physical and hers was mental. I have recovered from what happened to me, she hasn’t. She’s lived nearly 40 years with people who have your attitude telling her she wasn’t a victim of abuse. She was, she lost her childhood, teens, 20s and most of her 30s to it and it’s only now she may finally be able to have a life at nearly 40.

Exposing a girl for calling her out that Jensen settled and had her fans attack her. Also her not being there for Jensen after the finale or the Rust tragedy. Telling him to talk to someone else.