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INTERVIEW: GRIMES ON âART ANGELSâ, TOURING, AND HER ARCANE ART.
âThank you,â CLAIRE BOUCHER kind-heartedly says, for what must be the 39th time today. For any artist agreeing to do a three hour photoshoot in the midst of a busy touring schedule with Laneway Festival around Singapore, New Zealand, and Australia, it would be far too easy to succumb to jet-lag, especially when working around the clock with little to no days off. But not Boucher, known best under the moniker of GRIMES - an artist who not only released a critically acclaimed album last year, but also has a live show like no other, and at her core is deeply passionate about every aspect of her career and her art; something that is obvious when in her presence for any length of time.
Boucherâs 2015 Grimes album, âArt Angelsâ, is no ordinary album. Itâs not simply a collection of songs track-listed together, itâs a brilliant masterpiece that Boucher wrote in full, produced in full, played every single instrument heard on the album, and also created every original artwork to accompany each song on the record. Boucher has also directed and art-directed each of the albumâs music videos to be released so far - there are more on the way, her brother, Mac Boucher, has promised - and even contributed her own custom animation to the visually spectacular 'Kill V. Maimâ video. In an age where collaborating is considered imperative for musicians to chart and the music industry exploits short-cuts to success by pairing much-hyped producers with ascending artists, Grimes exists as an independent entity with Boucher orbiting her own solar system, choosing to create autonomously.
Grimes has an artistic integrity like no other, yet still, is unmeritedly subjected to scrutiny over everything 'Grimesâ. Every move she makes is questioned, and every lyric is over-analysed to the point where its meaning becomes lost. Music has become something of a weird anomaly in the arts world when it comes to consumers - myself, included - expecting artists to offer official justification and rationalisation to accompany their art. Itâs bizarre to consider. No-one ever questions a visual artist behind the meaning of their work, so why have we become so accustomed to pressing a musical artist to explain the meaning behind their music? And why is there such a deep sense of entitlement about this?
Lyrics are so often deeply personal, itâs what separates music from other art-forms. Itâs why when you hear Grimes sing on âFlesh Without Bloodâ the universally relatable lines, âAnd you had every chance / You destroy everything that you know,â one canât help but absorb those words and link them to your own life. And although Boucher revealed after the release of the song via Twitter that, âFlesh without blood isnât about a breakup! I donât write about love anymore,â itâs easy to translate her words to fit a different context of your own choosing. And therein lies the problem. The disparity that now exists between the public - or the Internet, rather - deciding the meaning behind a song, and the actual meaning it holds for the musician.
âThe things they see in me / I cannot see myself,â Grimes sings on âCaliforniaâ, alluding to problems that sheâs had with the press - including misunderstandings of songs and numerous news articles written based entirely on her Tumblr posts. Itâs a no-win situation for artists when questioned by music journalists about the meaning of their music - theyâre portrayed as 'difficultâ if theyâre not forthcoming with anecdotes about how a song was written, or its true meaning. And when music is consumed by a critical mass, its meaning can be stripped and changed altogether, with online commentators endlessly debating the meaning and construction behind each song. These unfiltered and unverified online posts can even lead to misinformation in some instances - which in the case of 'Art Angelsâ, has induced a widespread misconception that the Grimes song âCaliforniaâ samples Rihannaâs 'Pon De Replayâ, with numerous websites and album reviews stating incorrectly that it does.
The kindness that I first encountered during Coup De Mainâs Grimes cover-shoot, continues when we reconnect over the phone at a later date with Boucher. She thanks me for waiting for her to go through airport security, calling me from a gate lounge ahead of a long flight - leaving Laneway Festival in Perth to fly to Berlin, with a stop in Abu Dhabi on the way - and also apologises for eating a brownie at the same time as our call.
âArt Angelsâ is a testament to Grimesâ immense artistic talents, from 'Butterflyâ (written from the perspective of a butterfly in the Amazon while trees are being cut down), to 'Screamâ (which features Boucher screaming alongside Taiwanese rapper Aristophanes), and the ultimate empowerment song, âVenus Flyâ (featuring JANELLE MONĂE). âKill V. Maimâ is another one of the albumâs many stand-out tracks, a song written from the point of view of a gender-bending, time-travelling version of Al Pacinoâs character from âThe Godfather IIâ, because, Boucher says, âI had watched the movie the night before I wrote the song.â And why not? Writing from other perspectives isnât something she thinks too much about during her songwriting process, Boucher explains, âItâs not really that serious⌠I think anyone does that when they write any song. BeyoncĂŠ wrote âSingle Ladiesâ, and she was obviously married to Jay-Z when she wrote it. I think a lot of times when people write songs, itâs not just 100% of their lived experience or whatever.â
The album also features a sequel song - âWorld Princess Part IIâ being the follow-up to âWorld Princessâ from her second studio album released in 2010, âHalfaxaâ. When questioned about the link between the two songs, Boucher says, âI just felt like it was a really iconic song title, and I just wanted to use it again, and obviously thematically it really works with what the lyrics of the song were talking about. I always wanted to make a âWorld Princess Part IIâ, I donât really know why. But it just seemed like a good song for it.â
'Art Angelsâ comes at a significant time in musical culture - the state of the music industry is in such a place that artists are expected to release an album at least every two years in order to continue their career, and stay relevant in the eyes of the media, and their fans. This cyclical album roll-out is particularly important in a musically oversaturated world where fans are so fickle, and can forget about an artist easily. The reality of being a casual musician is much harder once youâve earned a sizable fanbase, and Boucher has experienced the worst of this. Since the release of âVisionsâ in 2012 and the critical acclaim that followed it immediately following, the press and fans alike, were so anxious for new Grimes music - they demanded it. Similar to George R. R. Martin being urged to rush-release a new book in the âA Song Of Ice And Fireâ series, Boucher was berated over and over for taking too long to release a new album.
But can you put a time limit on art?
Boucher firmly believes the culture of releasing albums has changed due to the mainstream music community, stating, "I think thatâs mostly the result of the mainstream music community, because I think most musicians, like, most straight albums that were actually written by the musiciansâ like âThe Fragileâ took five years, âDownward Spiralâ took three years, âTragic Kingdomâ took three years. I think thereâs a culture where artists are just buying songs and not writing them, which leads to people just putting out albums every year, and thatâs just not really how it works if youâre making your own stuff - and I think itâs kind of unhealthy. Because itâs a LOT of pressure, everyoneâs like, 'Your albumâs taking so long, your albumâs taking so long,â Itâs like, actually⌠I wrote âArt Angelsâ in like a year. This is way faster than most albums that are written by people who do all their own stuff.â
When Boucher was working on âArt Angelsâ, she set her own deadline. After being rushed to createâVisionsâ in only a few weeks with pressure from management weighing down upon her, âArt Angelsâwas a more leisurely process - taking around a year to fully write. She says, âI kind of set a deadline, basically. I knew I wanted it out before 2016, so I think it was the end of August or something where I had to have all the songs done. I just sort of imposed a deadline upon myself at some point.â
Boucherâs immense creativity is fostered further through the artwork that accompanies the physical release of âArt Angelsâ, with one piece of artwork accompanying each song on the album. Some of the pieces are obviously linked to their song - âLife and The Vivid Dreamâ and âCaliforniaâ both have the titles drawn on them - but some are more perplexing. The artwork for âPinâ features a monkey, a killer whale, and an eagle, because, âItâs a song about killing innocence I guess.â
We spoke further about the creation of these art-pieces, and whether they were created before or after the recording of the album. âIt was kind of different in every instance. Like there were some that were super⌠like the âVenus Flyâ artwork for example, thatâs a painting I made for Janelle [MonĂĄe] before I met her. And so it was definitely like that seemed like the right one for âVenus Flyâ. Some of them were kind of re-appropriating old paintings that Iâd done after the fact. The âWorld Princess Part IIâ one too is obviously, the painting is very reflective of the song. So itâs kind of half and half maybe, I had a bunch of paintings and then I was cutting them up with songs, then when the album was coming together I sort of finished the rest of them, and decided to make them coincide with the music.â
Her artistry is something she explores in every facet of her life, and she reveals that someday she would like to be involved in the making of a full-length film. We should be so lucky. Just check out the credits for the âFlesh Without Blood / Life In The Vivid Dreamâ short-film music videos - "Written, directed, edited, coloured, and art directed by Grimesâ - and youâll be next to petition for a Boucher-involved movie. Personally, Iâm holding out for a vampiric gangster mob film with âKill V. Maimâ as the opening sequence - bring on The Oscars in 2017 (I hope).
The importance of a good live performance cannot be undervalued or understated. Every artist is judged on their live show - by fans, by the press, and also by other artists. Whilst making small talk with other acts on the 2016 Laneway line-up for New Zealand, Iâd always ask who they were planning on watching themselves during the festival run. Unanimously, Grimes was the favourite of all, her peers showing her great respect - most noticeably, Goldlink and members of Health side-of-stage in Auckland, and the elusive producer Sophie, parked front-of-stage at Laneway Sydney.
Seeing Grimes live is an altogether other-worldly experience. Despite having seen her thrice throughout this yearâs Laneway stretch, itâs a show Iâm unfailingly still in awe of. Boucher is not only the frontwoman for her live show - athletically running around, as well as singing and dancing alongside her back-up dancers - but she also triggers all the live sounds for the show. Thereâs also no denying that her tours and shows have the most inventive names ever - with the Rhinestone Cowgirls Tour, Acid Reign Tour, and March Of The Pugs, serving as a testament.
Boucher is forthcoming about wanting to keep the show as it is currently, when I ask as to whether she would ever want to tour with a full live band. âNo - the showâs got a lot of live instruments in it already. I feel like itâs pretty hard, everything is so sampled and so effect-ed, it would be almost impossible to recreate it with⌠I donât know, all the basses are synth-basses, so what would I do? Hire a bass-player and have them play the bass? It would just be weird. I donât think it would work.â
The live show is so imperative to Grimes, that thereâs no way to do a stripped-back or easier version of it, and each night, Boucher brings a boundless energy to the stage. It looks like an exhausting show to put on, but she does it night after night - she once played 52 shows in 53 days; Iâm tired even thinking about the reality of that - and, even if she isnât at 100% full health, as any human is bound to feel now and again.
The intensity of 'Screamâ is totally transformed live, with Grimes taking centre-stage, rapping not in Taiwanese, but in Russian, and screaming at the top of her lungs in each chorus. Itâs an act that sometimes shocks those in the audience, but simultaneously impresses.
Another highlight of Grimesâ current stage-show occurs when her back-up dancers disappear from the stage, and a single spotlight shines down upon her, making Boucher look particularly angelic. Performing a cover of a well-known Latin song called âAve Mariaâ - a song usually reserved for performances by high school choirs - Boucher reworks it into something distinct and âGrimesâ. She opens the song entirely a capella, dispelling any unfounded assumptions that Boucher hides her voice behind production when performing live.
When you go to a Grimes show, youâll notice the array of talented women, also performing live. Hana currently performs as Boucherâs back-up singer and occasional guitar player - as well as being a talented solo musician in her own right who often opens for Grimes - and Alyson Van and Linda Celine Davis, are two dancers that travel the world with Claire. Theyâre responsible for the choreography in any Grimes performance, which injects another layer of energy into the show. Their individual talent is further showcased during their individual solos, as well as their inventive use of props - laser-pointers, ribbons, and Sai (a Okinawan martial arts weapon), which all contribute to the overall spectacle of a Grimes show. And all of the lighting? Thatâs all also programmed by a woman.
Boucher says, âIâd like to have all women on stage, for sure. In the past when Iâve had guys on stage, people just assume theyâre the producer and stuff. But, honestly I just hire the best people, and a lot of them happen to be women.â
The cost of being a musician on tour can take a personal toll - itâs an overwhelming experience being in a different city every day, and working relentlessly 24/7 - but the only cost that Boucher voices major concerns about, is the environmental cost of being on the road. Itâs something sheâs been vocal about in interviews, and even, deliberately, has chosen a minimal stage back-drop consisting primarily of just a camouflage net.
Explaining the ways she consciously tries to lessen the environmental impact of Grimes tours, Boucher says, âWe try to reduce our carbon footprint as much as possible - even just the fact that our production on this tour can technically be folded up and thrown into one duffle bag, so itâs not that heavy. And the crew is kind of reduced on this tour, a lot of people are doing double jobs which is good. But yeah, it does stress me out quite a bit. I probably wonât be touring as heavily in the future⌠thatâs why stuff like the [Laneway] sideshows are good - playing to as many people as possible somewhere.â
Boucherâs passion for preserving the environment is reflected in every aspect of Grimes - with her management requesting real plates and cutlery to accompany any food served during her CDM photoshoot, and a pitcher of water to be available instead of individual water bottles and disposable products.
Obviously a subject that Boucher cares deeply about, I asked her for five everyday things that anyone can - and should - improve upon in order to make a difference to the environment.
Boucher recommended via e-mail: â1. Call ahead to hotels and ask them to only put the bedding and towels that you need in your room, since they legally have to wash everything in your room, even if you didnât use it. 2. Carry a stainless steel water bottle instead of buying water bottles. 3. Compost. 4. Reduce dairy and meat intake. 5. Donât leave the tap running when you brush your teeth.â
The accessibility of music production and music recording - especially in regards to its relationship with privilege - is also something that concerns Boucher. So much of music, and the success of music in the modern music industry, depends on money. If you can afford certain gear, or if you can afford to rent out a recording studio and hire an audio engineer, then youâre more likely to succeed. Itâs a very real issue that Grimes is inherently aware of - and led to her in 2013 publishing a tutorial via Tumblr that recommended affordable microphones and set-ups, as well as giving people a basic outline of how to use the music software, Ableton.
I ask Boucher about the problem of privilege when it comes to music-making, and she ponders, âI think thatâs one of the big issues in music right now, is that itâs only really⌠I think itâs just really hard to be involved at all if youâre not coming from money. On artists that are signed too - even like hiring a publicist is really, really particularly expensive, I think for most people. And most press wonât write about you unless you have a publicist. So I think, especially, if thereâs any way to alleviate financial burdens on newer acts, from a gear perspective or a recording perspective, it would be super helpful and give a voice to some people who arenât as privileged.â
If thereâs anyone in the music industry who Iâd want to learn from, Grimes would be the one - and she freely imparts the most important lesson sheâs learnt in music production over the years. âThereâs a couple of things. You donât need a lot of low-end in the vocals, and you donât need too much⌠well, maybe not everyone, but for me, it was really hard to learn how to chill out on the low-end, because too much low-end can actually just be kind of annoying, and not sound good. Like when youâre starting out youâre always like, 'Yeah, the more bass the better, as much bass as possible all the time,â but thatâs definitely not the case.â
Her involvement and care for fellow musicians in the industry also extends to the 2015-formed Eerie Organisation - started by Boucher and her partner, James Brooks - which helps up and coming artists; providing support and advice for those who are unfamiliar with the industry. NICOLEDOLLANGANGER was the first major artist to release music through Eerie Organisation - though they donât describe themselves as a record label, more as a platform - last year, with her debut album,âNatural Born Losersâ. About working with Boucher and Eerie Organisation, Dollanganger told CDM over the phone that, âClaire and James are just living angels. They are so knowledgeable and their intentions are completely genuine. Theyâve always been genuine and authentic. They even said to me, that labels, if you donât know that world and all the ins and outs of it, can be completely overwhelming. Their intention is to support what they love and thatâs completely admirable.â
As well as creating her own bodies of work, Boucher has also worked with other writers and producers - one of those being JACK ANTONOFF (of Bleachers), who has also produced for Taylor Swift, and co-written with Sia and Carly Rae Jepsen. Grimes features on the Bleachers song, âTake Me Awayâ, and the pair also wrote âEntropyâ together for a âGirlsâ soundtrack. Boucher has also just signed to Antonoffâs new publishing company, Rough Customer. In a statement released to media about the new signing, Antonoff said: âI wanted to start a publishing company to work with friends who are making important work. It really couldnât be more special to start things with Claire. Sheâs one of my all-time favourite artists and a wonderful person. Her work matters on the highest level and I feel deeply proud to know her, have worked with her and now be involved here as well.â
One of Boucher and Antonoffâs writing sessions from several years ago also led to her being listed as one of the co-writers of TROYE SIVANâs song âHeavenâ (on his debut album, âBlue Neighbourhoodâ) - despite Boucher not actually being directly involved with Sivan or his record. When asked, she disclosed, âI think I had just done a session with Jack, like, a couple of years ago, and he sampled my voice and then reversed it. When he was in the session with Troye, I think they used the sample - for top-line - but then re-recorded over it. I wasnât actually there at all. Itâs just one of those weird things.â
In addition to strong working relationships with many of her musical peers, her relationship with fans is equally as reciprocal. Grimes fans are something special, and in Sydney recently, a fan bedazzled by hand a custom jacket with Swarovski crystals (spelling out Grimes), asking me to deliver the jacket to Boucher. Needless to say, Boucher happily posted about the jacket on her official Instagram account. The relationship between Boucher and her fans fosters creativity like no other fan-base, with her Tumblr being not only a space for sharing her favourite Lana Del Rey songs (âWithout Youâ is one, and the lyrics to âRideâ now feature in her Twitter biography), but also for the re-blogging of fan-art and 'zines made in her honour.
I remember the first time I ever watched the 2010 film, 'Inceptionâ. It absolutely blew my mind. And although the movie ended leaving audiences confounded and perplexed, with the meaning of the ending completely up in the air, Christopher Nolan has never outrightly stated what the filmâs ending signifies. And part of what makes the ending of that film and so many other films, so memorable, is that eternal intrigue and curiosity. So perhaps we should treat Grimes in the same way, and never expect to fully understand everything about her, or even hope to. After all, the Oxford dictionary defines 'artâ as, "Producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power."Instead of trying to unravel Grimes, letâs simply appreciate her.
Text by Rose Riddel for Coup De Main.
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