greymantledlady

(I’m not asking this for writing purposes by the way, I personally don’t write but I’ve seen a lot of ff writers do this so thought I’d ask.)

Hi, so the short answer is yes-but-also-no.

I want to preface this by saying that I LOVE seeing characters actively presented as Romani in people's works, be they original fiction or fanfics. Representation is always important, and honestly, I would rather have less-than-perfect representation than have people be too scared to try, thus removing that rep. However, I do think it is very difficult for someone to do right, especially since we're a closed culture with a lot of variation between subgroups and based on different circumstances, so accurate and complete resources are hard to come by.

I'm generally quite open (and enjoy) when people include cultural tidbits in their writing - it feels a bit like finding an Easter egg. However, I do think it's difficult to do accurately - nine times out of ten, in my experience, authors make mistakes like using stereotypes, or outdated references/practices, or mixing subgroups. As someone from this background, it can take me out of the story. I'm not sure how someone less familiar with our culture would react to mistakes like this, so I suppose it's up to individuals how important they think it is.

In terms of using the Romani language, I'm a bit less open. Firstly, I think it's very difficult to commit to a dialect, because once you do, you've committed to the cultural "baggage" of that particular subgroup, and unless you're from that group, it's unlikely you will know enough to do it flawlessly. Even my sister's fiancé, who is slowly becoming more immersed in our specific culture and is learning bits of the our specific dialect, would not be able to use it accurately, so (without sounding rude), I don't think it's likely that someone who hasn't even got that close familial connection is going to nail it with the even more limited resources available to the general public.

I also think it's very difficult to write accurately in a language you're not fluent in. Online guides are often incomplete or inaccurate, and don't often get across anything more than the most literal meanings. How people speak Romani (e.g. how much of the sentence is said in Romani, which words are said in which language, etc) also changes quite a lot depending on both the dialect and the situation, so I think it's quite easy for an actual Romani-speaker to become un-immersed in the story by what is, to us, an obvious mistake, which maybe isn't to the author. However, the same can be very much be said for when authors instead chose to just put things "in translation" using italics - '"like this," I say in Romani'. Because, honestly, I grew up speaking Romani and am far more fluent than probably 99% of my peers, and yet I would not be able to tell you what 'like this' is in Romani, because it's just not something we would say in Romani. (I say this as an Anglo-Romani speaker in the UK). However, to me personally, using italics is generally preferable than attempting to translate.

The other issue with using Romani terms is that both the non-Romani-speaking author and the non-Romani-speaking reader are going to be unfamiliar with them. So the author either has to provide a translation, and hope that it is accurate, or allow non-Romani readers to go out and find their own translations, which is risky in two different ways. Firstly, as I've said earlier, finding accurate translations is so hard. But secondly, and perhaps more importantly, it is a closed culture, and personally, I would prefer that people didn't go looking for information not freely given, and I don't think it's really a non-Romani author's place to give that kind of permission, either - especially since there is a reason we choose to keep things private. However, I will concede that there are lots of Romani terms which are still used very frequently by Romani people, which have also become widely known (words like kushti/cushty, for example), and are also a lot harder to mess up contextually, so if I saw someone using words like kushti, dordy, mush, etc, in their writing, I would probably be pleasantly surprised, if a bit amused.

Having a chalet in a yard which you live in over the winter when you pull in. That’s our legal addresses and also where we might work on our equipment etc during the winter months (for Nightwing again, the Graysons canonically spent their winters pulled in in Florida)

Using terms like pulling in, pulling out, building up, pulling down, and also our own specific words for things you might find on the fairground (funbag instead of bouncy castle; gallopers instead of carousel; slip instead of helter-skelter)

Going to dances associated with the biggest fairs where people, even if they’re not open, will travel to for the social occasion

Casual mentions of (especially young adults) attending the horse races. They’re our Met Gala.

Major family events happening on a Wednesday because that’s our day off

Kids’ clothing. There’s a real emphasis on dressing smart. I have never owned a pair of sweatpants or a t-shirt with a character on it, for example, as they’re not considered smart enough (unless you’re actively working out). Little boys wear shirts and jumpers and shorts and knee high socks with patent shoes, and girls wear smocked dresses (boys also wear smocked clothing) with socks and T-bar shoes, and matching bows in our hair.

If you’re travelling in the summer, you’re not going to be at school. You might get a work pack from your home school which you attend during the winter, or there might be a travelling teacher at the big fairs (two weeks + duration) who teaches every child on the ground, regardless of age.

It being totally normal for women to wear white to other people’s weddings (especially mothers of the bride and groom).

All the insurance. All the equipment checks. Permits from local councils. There’s so much of it and it should be mentioned more.

You’re going to be the least busy in January, and most people you know will be on a giant holiday with 90 people in a resort hotel for a month.

Bank Holidays (are they a thing in the US? I suppose Labor Day is the closest?) being our busiest days.

TRAILERS ARE EXPENSIVE AND BEAUTIFULLY DONE UP. THEY ARE EXPENSIVE AND MODERN AND VERY CLEAN. YOU LIVE IN THEM WITH YOUR FAMILY (you might get your own small trailer when you’re about 13). THEY ARE NOT GROTTY OR SHARED WITH YOUR COLLEAGUES. YOU BUY YOUR OWN.

The cat who somehow always knows exactly when you’re going to pull down.

Lighting sets (generators) go off by 10.30pm.

Because fairs are open in the afternoons/evenings, we tend to have a big “lunch” to fill you up, and then a small supper (usually something which doesn’t require a lot of attention and can cook on its own, like a stew) before bed.

Waking up in the mornings and there being condensation on the inside of the windows and it’s your turn to get out of bed, go out, and turn the gas on. You gear up in socks and boots and a coat and you leg it so fast you’d think you were being chased, turn the gas on, then come inside and shiver in your bed again until the trailer warms up.

Hygiene. Cleanliness in the home. The general aversion to mops and toilet brushes because they’re deemed not to clean well enough.

Animals live outside. In warm outbuildings. But not inside.

Kids helping their relatives when they’re not helping their own parents/doing their own work.

Having a money pocket made out of an old pair of jeans with your name embroidered in sequins was the HEIGHT on fashion as an eight year old on the fairground.

Randomly finding yourself up your aunt’s trailer eating a slice of brown bread and a cup of tea and knowing your mum’s gonna kill you when you finish but you couldn’t say no as it’d be impolite. It’s a universal experience.

The amused looks of gorjas who cannot fathom a child working.

People complaining about how much it is to have a go, but swag is a fiver for a poverty little thing, and the rent will bankrupt you, and the insurance is due next week.

The World’s Fair newspaper.

Christenings.

Owning too many tilts.

Under no circumstances do you wash your hands in the kitchen sink.

Having an accent which nobody can quite place.

The sheer number of fights between kids on the ground.

The one kid whose parents have a shooter who always threatens the others with a pellet gun.

Under no circumstances are you allowed on someone else’s ride as a kid. They’re trying to earn a living and some paying kid could be sat in that seat.

UNLESS you’re acting as a gee, carrying around the biggest prize and casually talking at the top of your voice about where you got it from.

Everyone owns an Alsatian.

Calling everyone older than you aunt/uncle. Doesn’t matter if they’re your parents’ worse enemy.

Learning to drive a lorry at 8. Being a pro by 13.

Being constantly surrounded by your extended family.

Non-gypsy people working on the fairground/circus are called chaps. They are often undocumented workers.

I think there should be a rule for dog owners that if their dog is approached by a small child (who doesn't know any better) trying it touch it and it attacks then the dog must be either always muzzled or removed from that person.

"But its not the dogs fault!!!"

Maybe not, but I would rather a child's life not be put at risk because someone has an ill behaved pet.

The most a cat would do in a situation like this is scratch a child and run away.

I know what I am doing is wrong

I know there is an activity that looks similar that is not wrong

“It’s tempting to assume”: someone’s assumption is about to be criticized

An idea I had for Blood of Eden propaganda/recruitment posters featuring some of our favorite guys - combo of digital-print cyberpunk graphic design style with oldschool Saturday Morning Post covers like you'd see Leyendecker paintings on

I was gonna post these ahead of tabling at a small con and selling prints of them but ended up not tabling because turns out grad school is hard

— then it's art nouveau

and if the sexy lady has a bob cut or a hair cap and is wearing a column or flapper dress; there's a lot of geometry like rectangles, arches, rays, and diamonds; angels have super sharp wings and a lot of muscles; everything is steel, concrete, marble, gold, and red velvet seats; everything is VERY angular; and all the foliage is basically papyrus fronds; things feel vaguely Egyptian or Turkish or Mesopotamian; the fonts play with being very skinny or very thick and are sans serif with extra lines; or Gatsby would be found floating dead in that pool

— with lots of lush flora, tiny insects (like dragonflies) or graceful birds, stained glass, iron, warm golden lighting, lots of wood and wood carving (but now it's more wood paneling), a stylistic fondness for Japan, line weight variation in the font, and tile (but this time it's carved or sculpted on, not tiny mosaic)

but you're worried it's art deco

— because the forms (especially foliage) are very symmetrical and slightly more angular or blocky and graphic looking, things are more rectangular than circular or curvy in architecture, the patterns repeat more often, and more of the lamps are pyramids or rectangular, and there are nods to Egyptian or Ottoman style, and they used the color red (probably in an accent chair or carpet rug)

BUT there's no steel, concrete, gold plating or gilding, marble, big muscles, spiky or radiating diamond shapes, angular people, or flappers,

AND the vibes are jacobean, gothic, or spanish mission revival; they love some brick and stone; the wallpaper is an explosion of colorful pattern that could give you arsenic poisoning or help depict a descent into postpartum psychosis in a famous short story; but there are NO people to be seen, not even sexy ladies,

Part of socializing and having friends is being a good listener even when you don't actually give a shit about the subject.

Your are hurting other people's feelings when you bluntly respond with "Anyway..." and then change the topic.

It can not always be about your preferred topic.