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do we know if Foscolo actually spoke Greek or not

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HE DID

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it's not like this comes to me like shocking news. he was Greek. it's only logical. but in Italian schools Foscolo is always taught like "yeah he was born in Greece but he studied in Venice" so his multicultural identity is always erased and he is claimed as Italian only.

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okay prev I'm no great expert I'm only a little Foscolo simp and definitely don't have all the answers as I share most of the questions with you BUT I have read stuff and I do know that he had learnt Italian from literature (after having learnt Veneto from basically scratch. crazy) (doubly crazy cause Italian lit is not as easy/close to the spoken language as idk English lit for example) so he indeed he felt a bit awkward and stiff writing in Italian for it was not his native language. (side note. and he wrote that??? how...). The fact that a lower lexicon and/or terms from Veneto do not appear at all is a big indicator imo. Even other great authors sometimes let their pure thought slip into poetry in a lower form, just to let it breathe, if you know what I mean. Even though we need to consider that Neoclassicism did not really allow that.

About Greece: the fact that every time he mentions Greece, even if he adresses it as his motherland, he refers to the ancient times, is interesting. He calls his island Zacinto, not Zante, and even if Greeks still call it Zakynthos, I'm not sure that's the reason; it's most likely he just picked its ancient name. The fact is very peculiar and for sure Neoclassicism strongly influenced him but I reckon that, at least partly, it was Greeks' own fault. At the time (it started around 1760) they were discussing which language should've been the official one in Greece: the choise was between demotic (spoken by the people) or katharevousa (“purified” and strongly inspired by ancient Greek). Now: why did I bring this up? Cause it was one of the main traits of how Greeks shape their image, how they perceived themselves an how they wanted to be perceived. In the end they picked the katharevousa (which was hated, and demotic started being picked only in the 1880s, but just read the article atp). How my teacher simplified it to is: they wanted tourists/similar to come to Greece and to say “oh! it's just like the ancient times!”. So yeah even the Greece of 1700/800s was VERY tied to it's ancient origins, much more than Italian culture to ancient Rome imo. Moreover, Greece was under the Ottoman Empire and little to no freedom to build their own complete identity: the only thing they could do was to go back to the past. So this is part of it for sure.

THEN there's also the fact that Foscolo was born in the Heptanese (Ionic sea, not Aegean), which kind of felt a bit "less Greek" than other parts of Greece (like idk Trieste in the past for Italy? since it was added to Italy later; the Heptanese became part of the Greek kingdom only in 1864). Not sure how relevant this is though. One thing is sure: he picked Italy over Greece in his battles and his writings, whilst Greece became for him something more intimate than something else. He kind of speaks it as if modern Greece didn't really existed. I'm definitely not saying that he erased his own Greek origins but he did have a weird relationship with the Greece of the time, and the fact that he did not intervene at all in the Greek Revolution is kind of eloquent (about this).

girldante

thank you so much for the historical insight + reading recs!!! lowkey losing my mind thinking about how talented he must have been to learn to write like that in a language that wasn't his own to begin with and also was not even the one he spoke daily. i'm sure there are plently of studies on this topic already but it's disappointing that this aspect of his personality is not really explained that much in school besides the very basic information you might get in order to understand a zacinto, it explains so much of his style. can't wait to read about his weird relationship with greece it sounds so crunchy (and so modern too. i think many people with a complex national/ethnic identity can relate to his experience which makes me even sadder it's not delved into as much).

#ugo foscolo #litaliana

fairycosmos

you can’t even move to a brand new city and teach yourself how to die in this economy

eresia-catara

remember when silvia diacciati said guido was podestà in empoli in 1292

#guido che legge e impara i brevi di empoli e ha il suo piccolo sciame di assistenti #e registra tutto ciò che fa #chissà che decisioni ha fatto...#e che opinione ne avevano i cittadini?#guido cavalcanti #also 1292 is not a neutral year #dante was having a crisis and guido was Not in the city #much to think about #< PREVVVV #i was thinking about this just yesterday like. guido's unorthodox ass? podestà???#i'd love to see such a specimen not only interact with bureaucracy but be in charge of it #ALSO it makes so much more sense to think about dante's crisis now... guido was Not Around...

eresia-catara

[ABBB ABBB CDD DCC] sorry about that do yuo still love me

#hashtag our weirdo

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hyperions-fate

People construe the 'Mediterranean lifestyle' as an olive oil diet and heroic job shirking. But these are tangential to its true historical meaning: accepting that your town could get raided and you'd have to spend a fun gap decade identifying as a Turk or Sicilian.

ghostisredacted

just saw someone say "a fandom is small, so like only 1-3 fics posted per day" . you wouldnt survive a day in the place where im from

#we have one single fic in the entire fandom bro #eternal war

2productive

#!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hate the way my mind works in endless chains of links. i tried to sit with aristotle and somehow ended up on a wikipedia rabbit hole about the occitan independentist movement. i have to read this frances fontan guy

love reading the nichomachean ethics from dante's pov. i just imagined a young dante gasping at aristotle writing "are we to suggest that happiness is only to be reached after death? that's absurd" like yeahghggggg challenge those christian doctrines!!!!!! (<probably not what happened considered that christian thinkers had already integrated aristotle and christian doctrine before dante but. can't a girl have fun imagining scenarios[gunshot]

#dante alighieri

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Mark Rothko, Untitled (Red, Blue, Orange), 1955, oil on canvas, 66 5/8 x 49 3/8 in. Signed “Mark Rothko” on the reverse

(it may be worth clicking here for the big version!

#girldante colors ahh rothko #arte

saw an ig user claiming they're writing yet another historical novel about gemma donati because she was "so unjustly overshadowed by beatrice" "dante's true earthly love" and they are going to "give her back her voice". honest to god academics and philologists and historians having to provide 38482749 pages of bibliography to prove one (1) single claim in their papers and then these fuckass bookstagrammers are out there spouting unproven claims based on vibes like they're gospel truth to an uneducated audience completely unchecked. like would you mind sharing your sources at least? because clearly you seem to have access to information the entire scientific community has casually never even stumbled across

#it's so dark in here #like i'm not even personally against the concept!!!! i quite like it in fact!!!!#but let's Please be aware that anything we say about who she was as a person is a pure conjecture. it just is

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do we know if Foscolo actually spoke Greek or not

fatal-quiete-png

HE DID

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it's not like this comes to me like shocking news. he was Greek. it's only logical. but in Italian schools Foscolo is always taught like "yeah he was born in Greece but he studied in Venice" so his multicultural identity is always erased and he is claimed as Italian only.

#oh my god finally someone talks about this #i've been wondering forever about why no one seems to talk about his intercultural status #and i wonder how much of the greek culture of his time he brought into his writings.#i'm not talking about classical greece but literally. the greece of the 18th century.#has anyone ever investigated his works from this lens #because surely moving from one culture to another when you're already grown and learning the other language almost from scratch #HAS to be a major influence in your life #also! i wonder if the pompous epic language he's known for is at least partially the result of a non native speaker learning a language #almost exclusively from books and trying to accentuate grandiosity more than a native speaker would #another thing is. i wonder how much of his self proclaimed greekness was his own native culture #and how much was an internalized idea of what italians of the time thought of greece and its culture looked like #because from what i know all he shows of his greekness in his works is essentially classicism. i might be wrong though!#these are pure conjectures btw i'm not that much of an expert on foscolo sadly #anyway you're soooo right op i wish school programs stopped ignoring this side of foscolo #ugo foscolo

vthina

rip Giacomo Leopardi you would've loved having a tumblr blog

#the zibaldone was sort of his blog when you think about it #< PREV!!!!#giacomo leopardi

petrarchesco

Francesco Petrarca, nessuno come lui <3

Da "Storia della Letteratura italiana, vol. II: il Trecento", Salerno Editrice.

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imagefragrance

this is literally how it feels

#literally me about this medieval philosophy course #i'm supposed to write a final paper but brother am i too stupid for it

auxoubliettes

#!!!!!!!#italia #sardegna #albania

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