Over the past couple of months, I’ve really struggled with how hard it was for me to like TLG. I loved the show and maybe that made me biased towards the HR book, but despite very obvious issues with the book, enough cohesion and elements are in there for me to not hate it.
Then I moved onto TLG, and right away, it was quite obvious that it read like a dumpster fire. However, I really wanted to like it, and like many readers, I relied on some inaccurate fanon and interpretations to rationalize the inconsistencies (ie. Ilya is an unreliable narrator). This gradually fell apart when I realized those head canons are simply not true. What’s become unacceptable to me is the way the characters I fell in love with (mainly from the show tbh), flawed but fundamentally decent, respectful and loving individuals, seemed almost unrecognizable in TLG.
Reading it again (out of a curiosity to figure out where it went wrong), it became clear that almost all issues and consistencies with TLG are related to RR’s very bizarre framework (what I started calling “RR’s fundamental principles of TLG”):
- Ilya cannot be viewed negatively. Ilya is smart, charming, selfless loverboy, beloved by all who get to know him, bestest at everything and knows so much about the dark side of hockey. Even if he acts poorly, it’s not his fault because depression made him do it and you should feel bad for him instead
- If Ilya’s bad behavior cannot be explained well enough by depression, then it’s probably Shane’s fault
- Readers should not feel sorry for Shane. Bad things that happen to him are not a big deal (some head canons go a step further into the “all the bad things that happen to him are his fault”)
- Shane is a selfish villain who needs to be punished and taught a lesson on how to be less selfish. Even if he tries to make compromises or tries to communicate, it’s not enough and he’s not doing it right.
This is the reason we have Schrödinger’s homophobia with the Voyageurs, homophobia becoming almost a nonissue in MLH, Centaurs being Schrödinger’s bad team, Ilya not able to bond with his team but also feeling close enough with them to trust them with his deepest secrets, Shane’s dietary restrictions fitting almost all criteria for orthorexia and causing profound anxiety but also not a big deal and can disappear overnight, Ilya’s fear about being queer and being Russian disappearing despite not having Canadian citizenship yet, etc etc etc.
Whenever any characterization or plot develops somewhat organically but deviates from her bizarre goals, she puts a hard stop to it and takes a u-turn. The characters act erratically and nonsensically because in addition to following normal literary rules and act like normal human beings, “RR’s fundamental principles of TLG” must be followed as well.
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I don’t really mean this judgmentally and don’t blame people for hoping for this but there’s no point reserving judgment of tlg until Unrivaled comes out because there isn’t any way Reid could completely remedy the flaws of tlg and in fact the flaws of tlg are going to make it so that even if Reid abruptly became an astonishingly good writer with a ton of empathy for Shane Unrivaled would still be hindered by tlg. Sequels do not strengthen prior installments. Prior installments weaken sequels. If anything tlg has set Unrivaled up for failure.
You know it would make me have a little hope if Rachel Reid comes across as somebody who likes to reflect and engages with criticism in a thoughtful way.
In almost all instances where I see her confronted with criticism, she seems defensive and she’s either doubling down or just mocking and disrespecting whoever is questioning her.
Basically when she’s asked if Shane has an eating disorder, she doesn’t consider why people would ask her that, doesn’t do any research before responding and basically gives an answer that’s totally the opposite of science and medicine. When somebody asks her about her approach to Shane’s race and the impact on his character, she basically spends the whole time talking about how traumatized poor Ilya is for having had parents.
Ilya is seen as having demonstrated (beyond all doubt) that he’s already chosen Shane over hockey by captaining a very promising MLH team in a rebuild phase that’s not going very well and losing lots of games, after having refused to play for Montreal due to cap space.
Shane needs to accept the possibility that he’ll never play professional hockey again to show the same thing
If we’re going by Shane’s standard, the line after “I already have” should be “did you really”.
Also, the honest answer to Shane asking Ilya whether he would give up hockey for him would also be “no”, based on how the two of them ended up arriving at The Ottawa Plan jointly in HR.
Galina asked Ilya if he’s talked to Shane about the sacrifices he’s made. Maybe somebody should also talk him about the sacrifices demanded of Shane.
Honestly, the way people (both within the book and in the fandom) are acting, it’s like to be with Shane, Ilya is now working as a cashier at Walmart and Shane is refusing to come out for no reason. (I mean, even if that’s the case. Shane still has the right to not want to work at Walmart too?)
To make the horror show of TLG’s ending complete, Shane Hollander doesn’t even get HR Ilya after losing everything. Not only has he lost his team, his reputation, his captaincy, his professional dignity, the man he loves, who is good at comforting him and making him feel seen, has been killed by RR and replaced by an evil clone who dismisses his distress and makes bad jokes about his pain.
If nothing else, can we have a fix-it and give Shane his HR Ilya back?
Hey, people are free to have their opinions of TLG. I’m not here to make you hate it against your will.
People can defend TLG all they want, but only they know deep inside how worried they actually are about season 2 of the show. All we can see is how many people are worried publicly. I’m sure this isn’t the first time we’re following the adaptation of a sequel. You can form your own opinion about whether this level of concern after reading the book is normal or not, and what that says about Rachel Reid’s writing.
(Btw, most of my friends just watched HR and they haven’t read any books or paid any attention to the actors or fandom, and I’m super jealous of them. Because they’re super carefree and stoked for season 2).
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ok so there are two options. first is set post-tlg with a shane that is actively spiralling and deeply in denial about what he’s feeling. he cannot emotionally regulate. he gets no support from his parents or ilya or his new team. everyone thinks he’s blissfully happy. he has to prove they’re right at any cost. a very slow, highly publicised free fall
orrrr we have a bridging fic set between chapters thirty seven and thirty eight, wherein we get actual closure about: the metros, jj, shane’s eating disorder, ilya’s behaviour, the trip, etc. this probs would not end in shane going to the centaurs and instead refocus on resolving issues in montreal and actually addressing how ilya treated shane throughout the book. maybe they take some time apart to come back together stronger. more of a reckoning
So obsessed with the aftermath of the possession in the stepford au. We've had a bit of Shane's pov, but now I'm just thinking about ilya. Being torn apart by hatred and self doubt about every single thing he missed. When he threw up in the au of the au, that moment when a year's worth of horror hit him all at once -- it's just so explosive.
He has an entirely different journey than Shane -- his entrance into this horror story happened at the exact moment Shane's ended. How do you look back on a year's worth of good times and recontextualize that as the worst year of your life? It's really encapsulated in the fact that he was participating in raping Shane every time he thought they were having sex. I unfortunately (or I guess fortunately, since it seems to be a traumatic book lol) don't know enough about tlg to theorize about ilya's character here, but this is just such rich ground for discussing a character's views on regret and forgiveness and etc.
I'm also thinking a lot about the interactions they'll have afterwards. How do they talk to each other? What do they say? Every word would feel so loaded. A wall has been hammered up between them and I just having so much fun thinking about how it would be crossed or not crossed. Ilya definitely wouldn't reach out to Shane, so why would he to ilya? Would he be checking in? Just telling him where he'll be going? Submitting his leave/legal papers to the team? Agh, again I wish I could join in the fun but I don't go here!
**TW - rape/non-con, suicide**
Ilya really fascinates me because he’s definitely also a victim in this au and we don’t really have a real world comparison as to how.
Like. We don’t have a real world comparison for “I thought I was in a happy marriage and actually the other person was locked screaming on the inside of their head.” We just don’t.
In my opinion, neither Shane nor Ilya consented to their sexual interactions over the last year. Consent needs to be knowing. Ilya did not know that Shane was cursed. He would have never consented to having sex with him if he knew. He has also been victimized by the curse in this way.
But the type of harm is different. And it’s one we just don’t have a real world equivalent to.
Shane had to experience the horror in the moment of being raped. He had to experience the horror of feeling himself participate in his own rape. He knew he wasn’t consenting to the sex when it was happening. But he had to feel his body participate anyway. He had to watch his body initiate a lot of the encounters. It was a horrible violation that he experienced in real time.
Ilya’s injury is different. He believed he was consenting in the moment because he believed Shane was consenting too. His horror and his violation happen in retrospect. He has to realize that he was the unknowing instrument for the rape of his own husband. And he has to live with that realization.
His entire world shifts on a goddamn dime. He thinks that he has a fantastic sex life and a very satisfied husband who loves his body just as much as Ilya loves Shane’s. He thinks Shane was walking up to him and literally asking for it. And he will have to look back on all of those previously happy memories and live with the fact that Shane was being raped in every single one of them. And I don’t see him being able to conceptualize “and, in a way, I too was being sexually assaulted because I was deprived of the knowledge I needed to meaningfully consent to the encounter.”
Like. The closest real world analogue I can think to this is when people consent to sex believing that they are having sex with a different person. Like if you think you’re having sex with one twin and it turns out that they lied to you and it was the other. He thought his very enthusiastic husband consented to sex with him and instead it was this awful fucking evil magic.
And even then it’s not a perfect comparison. At least with a twin situation you know that you are the only violated party. But the horror he has to live with is the fact that he was the instrument of Shane’s rape.
From a legal standpoint, Ilya is not criminally guilty of rape. There is a concept in criminal law called “mens rea.” It’s about the mindset of the person committing the crime. The law recognizes that what we intend and know in the moment something happens matters when we’re deciding whether you should be held criminally responsible for something.
For example, the police are not out here arresting every single person who ever gets into a car accident. The law recognizes that accidents happen. But if you get angry and purposefully drive in the back of someone else’s car, you will be arrested. Those two accidents could be identical in every other respect, but only one would be a crime because only one driver meant to do it. The difference between whether or not a crime happened sometimes comes down to what was going through your head in the moment.
Mens rea varies by jurisdiction and crime, but many jurisdictions recognize an intentional mens rea for rape. Ilya never once intended to rape Shane. And so legally he didn’t rape Shane. In this kind of universe, there would have to be some kind of statute imputing criminal liability for something like this to the person responsible for the spell. And I could see there being a different statute recognizing “some witch cast a curse that influenced someone into having sex with me and I didn’t know that they were under the influence of magic and had sex with them and now I have to live with the fact that my body was used to rape someone else” as its own form of sexual assault. You aren’t injured in the exact same way as the person who never would have consented to begin with, but you are still very much injured. I’d like to think the law in universe has codified a means of recognizing that injury.
It’s absolutely an injury Ilya suffers in this, and it’s not one that he had any real chance of wholly avoiding. Ilya was always going to participate in Shane’s rape at least once. The only real chance he had of avoiding it would be if someone else clocked the curse before he ever got home.
The curse initiates sex immediately upon seeing Ilya. It is the perfect spouse who is always eager. And I think it’s narratively important that in sex it is genuinely Shane’s perfect mimic.
There is no “something about the way he kisses is different” or “there’s no light in his eyes.” This thing moves exactly like Shane Hollander. It differs in Shane’s substance. In his values, desires, priorities, boundaries, interiority. It acts exactly how Shane acts in bed but suddenly it’s willing to have that threesome. It keeps his movements but gets rid of his boundaries.
Shane himself went into the first time it happened thinking that Ilya had absolutely no chance of spotting this in time to stop it. Ilya never had a real chance of completely avoiding his participation in Shane’s rape.
But he gets no comfort from that fact. Because even though he didn’t cast the curse, even though he didn’t know about the curse, he had opportunities to figure it out that he didn’t take. And that fact haunts him.
Ilya’s sin in this is just being a kind of shitty and unsupportive spouse. It’s just him at the end of the long game. There were inconsistencies in Shane’s behavior that he didn’t follow up, with the biggest being Shane’s career shift. Shane’s spent the past ten years like “bury me in metros blue.” Even in the long game itself, Ilya explicitly does not think that the media backlash would be enough to ever make Shane leave Montreal because he loves that team too much. And in this case, he’s right about that. But he doesn’t inspect the oddity of Shane signing with the Centaurs at extreme discount and a severe demotion, because having Shane with him all the time on his team is his dream. He checks out. He puts love blinders on. And, in fairness, he is struggling with a mental health condition that puts him at a disadvantage in recognizing and empathizing with Shane’s mental state. But he still makes choices during this time, and those choices will haunt him, with the biggest being his canonical strategy of offering sex whenever Shane expressed emotional upset.
He knows for a fact that Shane tried to signal that he needed help and Ilya responded by raping him. He didn’t know that’s what he was doing at the time, but that doesn’t make him feel any better about it.
I think Ilya’s already sort of unpacked and come to regret his strategy of using sex as a response to Shane’s post-trip upset well before the curse is broken. It’s one of the reasons why he blames himself for how “depressed” Shane is.
There’s a scene where Ilya and Shane overhear their colleagues talking about Shane at all stars. Shane’s there as Ilya’s spouse. He wasn’t invited as a player for the first time in his career. His reputation never recovered from the trip and in fact got worse because the curse didn’t do shit to repair it. They overhear other players laughing about what a joke Shane is now and how could he bear to show his face this year. Ilya is pissed but the real Shane manages to get out a jab about how his problems still exist after Ilya fucks the self esteem back into him, which surprises both Shane and the curse, because Shane hadn’t managed to get anything out in months.
Ilya thinks he was unsupportive and destroyed his husband’s self worth. Shane was at the lowest point of his life, came to him for support, and Ilya basically told him his fears were stupid and gave him a blowjob about it. Like. Ilya is very verbally dismissive of Shanes fears around the trip. He consistently framed it as a self-image issue. Shane would express concern around ever being signed again and he’d snort and say “of course they will.” He’d express concern about people thinking that he tripped on purpose and Ilya would dismiss it with “no one with a brain thinks that.”
Which doesn’t really address the issue. Shane has to deal with the reality of the media and the public ripping him to shreds right now. It’s nice to say that no one with a brain thinks he tripped on purpose, but it does jack all to actually address the actual problem Shane’s raising of almost every single teammate and coach he’s ever had as well as the media thinking he tripped on purpose. It’d be like if Ilya went to Shane and said “I’m really struggling with my mental health right now. I feel like I’m worthless and my life is not worth living” and Shane replied “don’t be ridiculous you are SO important and have so much to live for” and just. Ended the conversation there. Like. Nice sentiment, completely fails to address the actual issue.
Ilya’s looking back on the last year and thinking that Shane tried to get support for him and he told him that his fears weren’t real but he can always give him a blow job about it. And then Shane’s entire reputation did in fact tank the way Shane was afraid of. Of course Shane stopped coming to him. Like. He thinks he made Shane feel like that his problems weren’t important to him and he wouldn’t be there when Shane needed him. Because. That’s sort of what happened.
I think he had a period where he was looking back on the last few months and became really haunted by just how empty Shane’s seemed since the trip. Small things started to stack up. Shane wasn’t spam texting him screenshots of properties on zillow anymore with mini treatises about how the architect was on DRUGS when they designed this house DRUGS Ilya because look at this shit. His like, five hour phone calls with The Woman Shane Tried To Love Instead Of Him just… stopped. The bookmark in his book never moved unless he was reading with Ilya. The only ginger ale that left the fridge were the cans Ilya physically handed to him. At one point he drove all the way to Montreal to pick up a box of the pastries that Shane missed the most when he got on his diet in an attempt to spark something out of Shane. And Shane smiled like goddamn sunshine and kissed his cheek and said how much he missed these and how lucky he was to have a husband that was so good to him and then he didn’t eat a single fucking pastry unless Ilya handed it to him first. He’d count those stupid things every time he came home and just like the ginger ale cans, their number never went down.
The curse’s imitation of humanity is inherently imperfect. It can’t want anything for itself the way a person can. It cannot replicate Shane’s desires or interiority. And that’s what Ilya ends up missing. But he misdiagnoses the issue. He thinks of how depression robs you of your passion and energy and thinks that’s why Shane seems so empty now.
And the fact that he actually noticed something wrong tortures him. He knew that something was up with Shane for months before the curse was broken. If he had only thought of taking him to a curse breaker instead of being so sure it was a mental health issue, this would have been over for Shane months ago. He went through months of being raped, of being trapped, of counting goddamn whorls in the wallpaper, and Ilya could have ended it if he just thought of it sooner. He wants a goddamn time machine so he can save Shane sooner and kick his own fucking ass.
The tragedy of Ilya in this to me is that he does fuck up but he actually recognizes it and tries to fix his mistakes. He realizes he hurt Shane and actively tries to repair what he broke. He starts pushing to fix Shane’s reputation. He starts pushing Shane to go to therapy. He doesn’t accept the curse’s claims that he’s happy because he can tell something’s wrong. He fights just as hard as he did in 2014 and then some to win the goddamn Stanley Cup because he thinks it’s the first step in reminding the world that his husband is still Shane fucking Hollander and he’s got the Stanley Cups to prove it. He wishes for Shane’s happiness in part to help him and in part as a promise to Shane and to himself that he can fix what happened last year and make Shane happy again.
And then. Clang.
Ilya fucks up in this, do not get me wrong, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t also a victim here. He is still a victim, just of a very different harm than the kind of harm Shane experiences. They undergo different injuries. He has to live with the fact that he was the unwitting instrument of his own husband’s rape and that never would have happened were it not for this fucking curse. Whoever fucking did this does not get absolved of that just because Ilya was also a kind of shitty partner at the start of the curse.
But Ilya doesn’t get the mercy of thinking of himself as a victim after this. He thinks of himself as Shane’s rapist. He is so unbelievably fucked up from this.
I genuinely do not think they can do their recovery processes anywhere near each other, at least at the start. Their traumas are too tangled up in the other.
Shane’s torture gravitated around Ilya. It wore his face. When he left Shane would be trapped in stasis. When he was there Shane’s existence had to be dedicated to serving him. Laugh at his jokes fold his laundry suck his dick never say no. The fact that Ilya didn’t know doesn’t change all the messy fear and the pain and anger he now associates with Ilya’s face.
And seeing how bad Shane is left from this would be directly detrimental to Ilya’s own recovery. Every time Shane wakes up in a panic or takes a three hour shower trying to feel clean again, he’s going to drown in the guilt of that. This is something they legitimately cannot help each other through. There is a wall between them now. It would take a lot of time and work to tear that down again.
And there’s so much tragedy in that. They’ve been circling each other since they were 18. They were the person the other felt safest and most comfortable with in the whole world. And that safety and comfort has been taken from them.
I think it’s even more tragic in light of Ilya’s family history. He watched his father kill his mother. Not directly, but in her spirit. He was hard on her and crushed her emotionally and didn’t support her, and eventually she killed herself.
I think when he started to recognize how empty Shane had become, he grappled seriously with the fear that he would do to Shane what his father did to his mother. He wasn’t the best version of himself when they got married. Shane was hurt and Ilya didn’t support him and he even mocked him for what happened and now Shane just was… on autopilot or something. Empty. He tried so hard to make Shane happy again because he wanted to be a better man to Shane than his father was to his mother. He promised himself that he would not be the man who destroyed Shane Hollander.
And then. Clang.
Ilya doesn’t go see Shane in the hospital after the curse is broken. He does his own stint in a facility, and then he correctly assumes that seeing him or hearing his voice would hurt Shane’s recovery. But they think of each other every single day.
The first thing Ilya hears about Shane after the curse is that he’s awake, he’s coherent, he doesn’t think Ilya did this to him, and he wants Ilya to be alive. He’s demanding a suicide watch and refusing to cooperate with the investigation until he gets one.
I think that does more to get Ilya through the initial fallout than anything else. Shane wants him to be alive and Ilya doesn’t want to hurt him anymore than he’s already been hurt. So he stays alive.
At first they get news of each other from other people. In the first few days, all Ilya really hears is that Shane’s refusing all visitors. And Shane doesn’t hear anything about Ilya beyond the confirmation that he’s on a suicide watch, in part because he refuses all visitors so the only information he gets is what the police tell him.
Eventually Shane lets Hayden and J.J. in. The only people getting through before then was Rose Landry and poor fucking Carter Vaughn, who didn’t actually think Shane would let him in to begin with and was sort of fucking wrecked to learn that he got in by merit of sending one (1) sympathetic text post-trip, never telling Shane he liked him better post-curse, and also being in a different fucking country than Shane for most of the curse so Shane doesn’t blame him for never figuring it out. Like. The poor fucking guy showed up with a fucking get well card and a balloon fully expecting to drop it off at the desk and be shown the door like every other fucking person who tried to see Shane Hollander and instead found himself having the saddest fucking conversation of his life with Shane about his niece’s new pet turtle and how he and his wife are learning how to play Go together because sending one fucking “hey man I’m so sorry to see what you’re going through let me know if I can do anything for you you don’t deserve this” text a year ago was for a while the only sign Shane had that someone cared if he fucking died. He got fucking jumped on his way out of the hospital by Shane’s care team begging him to come visit again because Carter had gotten farther in one pathetic and turtle-centric conversation than everyone else save Rose had gotten since the curse broke. He doesn’t even live in this country.
I think when Shane eventually lets Hayden and J.J. in, he asks Hayden to go check on Ilya for him and to not be a fucking asshole when he does. Hayden does and he doesn’t say a goddamn thing to Ilya about not noticing and Ilya cries like a fucking baby in front of Hayden fucking Pike when he hears that Shane wanted to know if he was okay. He makes Hayden tell him three times about how Shane looked (bad) and if he was sleeping (doesn’t look like it) and if the hospital was taking care of him (aggressively so) and about his war on goddamn grippy socks, which Hayden found out about because Shane had retained their fallen corpses to keep his hands busy whenever his brain got loud (often). He cries again before Hayden leaves and Hayden fucking Pike hugs him and he cries harder.
Like. I think Hayden ends up being their intermediary at first and he is not throwing any fucking stones about this situation. Hayden blames himself for this.
The police are still looking for the witch who cursed Shane, but pretty much everyone thinks this was motivated by Shane’s outing or the trip or both. And the first domino to fall in that chain of events was Hayden fucking outing him on goddamn fanmail. Hayden’s got his own guilt to drown in. His best friend who saved the lives of his twin daughters spent a year in absolute hell because he couldn’t screen a fucking video.
I don’t think Shane and Ilya would be able to bear to see each other at first but they’d both want to know the other is okay (they aren’t). They’d use intermediaries at first.
Again, I like an open ending for this one where you get to decide if you think they’d make it so I won’t say definitively if they do either way, but I think that if they found their way back to each it would happen very very slowly and Shane would be the one setting the pace, especially at the start. Ilya would be petrified of hurting him by pressing too hard and reminding him of what happened. He’d wait for Shane to initiate contact.
I think they struggle in kind of opposite ways after this. I see Shane having issues with impulsivity. He Makes Decisions So He Can Remind Himself That He Can Make Decisions. But I think Ilya has a lot of difficulty trusting himself and his own judgment after this. He’s more hesitant. He doubts himself more than ever. I can kind of see them bumping into each other with that during the healing process. They have to learn how to communicate again.
Any communication would come slowly. A few texts that increase in frequency. Graduating slowly to phone calls that get increasingly longer.
I like the idea of them sending books back and forth to each other. I think Shane struggles being left with his thoughts after this. He needs to be reading something or watching a movie or listening to something whenever he’s not otherwise occupied. Like. That is not a man that can sit and wait patiently for his doctor’s appointment without something to entertain him. He is going to spiral if he has to think of all those hours and hours and hours and hours he spent staring at a wall.
I don’t think the curse often did anything to acknowledge Shane. Shane’s existence was treated as incidental. But he got the sense that sometimes it would punish him after he tried to wrestle back any control, and one of the ways that it did that was by blocking his line of sight so Shane didn’t have anything to count. Time would get very slippery for him when that happened. I don’t think Shane goes anywhere without a book or something after this.
I kind of like the idea of them mailing the same book back and forth with notes in the margins for the other. It’d be a kind of gentle point of contact. They get to glimpses of each other’s thoughts but they don’t have the pressure of direct communication, which they’re still relearning.
I think the hardest thing for them would be ever having sex again.
They would need years and to take things incredibly slowly. Ilya is not letting Shane or anyone else for that matter so much as bare a fucking ankle to his gaze without having them checked for curses, possibly multiple times. They would have to really reinvent the wheel on their sexual dynamic.
Which is a part of the tragedy in itself. They were a very sexually compatible couple before this. They had years to become comfortable with each other and learn what the other liked and they’ve been reset to more uncertain than when they were at their first hook up.
I think before this Ilya drew a lot of pride and satisfaction from just how good he was in bed and in particular with Shane Hollander. Perfect Golden Boy Shane Hollander would come undone under him and he loved that fact. He loved knowing he always knew exactly how to make Shane feel good.
That confidence and assurance is gone. He spent over a fucking year camped out in the honeymoon phase thinking he had at least kept his husband very satisfied in one area of his life and the entire time Shane was being raped. He is not drawing any comfort from the fact that the curse was perfect at mimicking of how Shane acted when he was having a good time in bed, at least not for a while. There would be constant check-ins.
They really gotta develop grade a communication skills if they want to make it. I don’t think it’s impossible for them to survive this or even to have sex again. They just have to take it slow and talk through a lot first. I feel like there’s I’ve sometimes seen a mindset of rape victims never being able to enjoy sex again but they absolutely can. I view Shane and Ilya as both having experienced sexual assault in this fic, their assaults and how they impacted them just took different forms, and they’re going to need a lot of time and help to process that trauma and figure out how to be comfortable with each other physically again.
And I think they could get there if that’s what they wanted. Maybe they don’t ever want to touch each other again and if so that’s okay. But I don’t think the road to healing is ever foreclosed. We can always come back from terrible things, the process to do so just fucking sucks. They could come back from this. They could be together again after this. But it’s up to whether they actually want that and whether they put in the necessary work.
In my mind, if Yuna Hollander found out Ilya’s reaction to Shane being paid peanuts now at the Centaurs is “haha. At least I’m rich”, I would not be offering him pasta and soup for a while.
Then again, maybe that Yuna went to the same place as HR Ilya and the two of them are fighting to break out to rescue their Shane as we speak (somebody please write a fic like this. I’m begging you).
Like, they really, really care about how much they are paid in comparison to other hockey players. A player's AAV is a sign of how much the coach and team value them as much as it is about getting paid. Negotiating an AAV is staking a claim about who your performance is going to be comparable to.
Hockey is a hard cap sport, so there is a limited pool of money and owners can't even buy their way out of it with a luxury tax, like basketball. Yet top hockey players regularly demand 15-16% of the cap space even as it starves the bottom of their roster and turns it into an unstable rotation. This directly impacts their ability to be consistent in the playoffs and reach the Stanley Cup, but it's still prevalent, because this is not an individual preference, it is a cultural attitude within the sport.
It's why Celebrini wanted $18.8m AAV so that he would be paid more than Leo Carlsson's $18m AAV and only gave a 5 year term so that his salary can be raised along with the cap. If he had taken $13m AAV, he would have made more than $100 million dollars before he turned 30, so it's not a matter of needing the money. It's why Jason Robertson took a single bridge year (risky in a full contact, high injury sport) rather than a $100 million over 8 year contract, because he knows his performance is most comparable to players who have higher AAV contracts and he refuses to be measured as less than them. Montreal's Suzuki's contract looks great now, but it was a fair deal when it was negotiated.
There is no such thing as a hometown discount that applies to the city you are born in. The hometown discount refers to the city that drafted you, because that is the city your career was born in. This drives me legitimately crazy. Stop using a term that really exists to describe something completely different. Professional athletes aren't handing out discounts to play for their birthplace.
The only major stars giving substantial discounts are Crosby (for superstitious numerology reasons, although his first contract was a huge % of cap back in the day) and McDavid (who is becoming genuinely desperate to win a cup before his window closes). Neither of these applies to Shane. 3 time Stanley Cup winner, 1C captain Shane Hollander giving a huge discount to a new, very mid team in order to play on their second line is loser behavior. It's desperate. If his peer group didn't think he was cheating before, they absolutely do now. If he's willing to abandon all self-respect as evidenced by his salary, why wouldn't he abandon his self-respect and cheat?
There are absolutely ways to clear cap space. If in two years, McDavid decided to move to Montreal, Montreal would trade away whoever was necessary to make room, including leaning on players with No Move clauses to rescind them, like they did to Gallagher when they wanted to clear his cap space. For Ottawa to sign him to a discount means that the team's leadership is telling fans and the broader hockey community that they don't value Shane and they are signing him as a favor to their star player Rozanov, which is a wild way to end your "fluffy" romance novel.
It IS a big deal, and you don’t need to be a huge hockey fan to know that. Any Canadian who turns on TSN or has come across any hockey news would know this!! Like I don’t know as much as you, but even I hear about salaries all the time.
People have already said it before, but it’s just so UNNECESSARY! It’s just so cruel, and she’s basically punishing him….for WHAT?
And the characters’ reactions to this huge humiliation are COMPLETELY disproportionate to what a big deal this was. Like this is the worst professional humiliation and hate crime against a queer character in the WHOLE SERIES. And the level of anger people feel on his behalf is almost nonexistent!
Rachel Reid said she wants Shane to overcome his selfishness. Is wanting to be paid his worth one of the aspects of selfishness he’s supposed to overcome? Why doesn’t ILYA have to overcome it then? Like he rejected the idea of playing for Montreal because of this exact same issue of cap space. If the Voyageurs only went off the deep end because of the Shane x Ilya rivalry, then maybe their reaction to the situation may be different if it was two of their teammates being together? Especially if the two teammates led them to Cups and they’d lose both of them in one go?
This part is just so bizarre. Like not only did she humiliate Shane, but she made Ilya seem like such a douchebag for no reason omg. His character got assassinated so hard that it’s just painful to me. Like why doesn’t she have Ilya at least offer to lower his salary? How he reacted is completely cruel for a hockey player who supposed loves his hockey player husband.
FYI, whether or not you can get over it easily is not a diagnostic criteria for orthorexia. However, competitive sports IS listed as a major risk factor. If you want to say Shane doesn’t have an eating disorder, maybe give some other reasons.
It’s like Rachel Reid went through the diagnostic criteria and hit every point, then went like “Nah. It would make Ilya look bad for making fun of his partner’s illness. I’m just going to ignore what the doctors say and make up my own rules”.
Please, I beg you to actually do some research or take fair criticisms seriously before doubling down.
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As problematic as RR is, it’s not like TLG is beyond redemption, at least not for a TV adaptation with a few changes. I’m almost tempted to dial back my criticisms of her work when I see that some Shane haters in this fandom are so much worse. One of them was like, Shane sucks so much in TLG, Ilya is better off with this perfect white woman I’m gonna conjure up for him.
OK, if you think the problem is with Shane only, you’d better keep the TLG Ilya the same in your universe then. When this new partner is checking in with Ilya and worrying about his mental health, is he going to tell her to shut up? When he asks her to go to a work party (in the exact same way Ilya asked Shane in TLG), and she doesn’t want to go, is he going to throw a fit and slam her against the wall? When she loses her fancy professional job and has to work as a part-time cashier, is he going to be like “wow. Sucks for you. But it’s so great for me that we can spend more time together”?
Or is this OC going to be a perfectly docile sex doll who never says no to Ilya ever and reads his mind so perfectly that she checks in when he wants and knows when NOT to check in on him before he has to tell her to shut up?
Wow, what an improvement over the relationship in TLG.
Like it’s one thing to be like “actually they were both imperfect”, but it’s another to blame Shane entirely to the extent that they want to remove him all together.
I’m sorry, but you’re right up there with the people trying to assassinate Ilya’s character even further by taking away his loyalty and devotion to pair him off with another white boy.
can you imagine if ilya had said to shane while they were discussing their future, "not montreal," because montreal couldn't afford both of them and he would lose his captaincy and he didn't want that, and shane had replied "oh please, i'm rich, i can take care of both of us!" and laughed off his concerns about his career. can you imagine
I actually think enough has been written about Shane’s eating in canon for us to determine this in a scientific way.
I’d like to ask Rachel Reid, did you do any research on this topic before you wrote the character of Shane Hollander this way? If not, after his eating was recognized as problematic by readers, did you do your research before responding that he doesn’t. And have you thought about the potential impact of your response on people who see their struggles in Shane?
Trigger warning: eating disorder
Content warning: long-ish scientific read
I will post diagnostic criteria for orthorexia nervosa (from the consensus document on definition and diagnostic criteria for orthorexia nervosa) below and let you make your own decisions:
Please note what’s ABSENT from the criteria is whether or not somebody can easily stop, and what’s listed as a risk factor is “competitive sports”
CRITERION A: DEFINITION, CLINICAL ASPECTS AND DURATION
A1. Definition
1 Orthorexia Nervosa (ON) is a mental health disorder associated with reduced wellbeing and falling within the DSM-5 category of “Feeding and Eating Disorders” (F&ED)
2 The definition of “healthful eating” or “pure eating” includes a dietary theory or set of beliefs whose specific details may vary. Subjects with ON often refer to “healthy" food as pure, clean, organic, right, correct, natural, safe; “unhealthy” food is often referred to as processed, with added ingredients, prepared, treated, toxic, contaminated such as to represent harmful consequences for the individual’s health. It might also include any other definition of healthy or unhealthy according to the affected individual (his/her background/culture/knowledge/moment in life) or to dietary trends and cultures
3 ON is characterized by a strong preoccupation with one's eating behavior and with self-imposed rigid and inflexible rules which are strictly controlled and include spending an excessive amount of time for planning, obtaining, preparing and/or eating one’s food
4 ON-related behavior involves disturbances of eating habits that lead to a nutritionally unbalanced diet, that negatively affects health status (both physical and mental health), and quality of life
A2. Aspects that are frequently present in subjects with ON
5 ON includes emotional (e.g. feeling guilty after having eating food considered to be unhealthy), cognitive (e.g. problems concerning attention and concentration) and/or social (e.g. social exclusion) consequences, that have a negative effect on the individuals educational, work or social life
6 In particular individuals with ON experience emotional distress, anxiety (if they are confronted with food they believe to be unhealthy and they fear they might be impaired by eating them), problems concerning attention and concentration (if an individual thinks about healthy eating all day) and a feeling of guilt as a consequence of not being able to eat healthy
7 In ON the adherence to self-imposed dietary rules has an undue influence on self-esteem
A3. Duration
8 Symptoms should be present during the last 6 months. However, if there is a severe impairment of health (e.g. severe malnutrition), the diagnosis can be given even after 3 months
CRITERION B: CONSEQUENCES
9 As a result of the excessive amount of time devoted to their diet (reading about, acquiring and/or preparing foods), ON has a negative impact on other important areas of psychosocial and personal functioning
10 The food selectivity, that characterizes ON individuals, can contribute to cause nutritional deficiencies (e.g. anemia, extreme weight loss, global or selective malnutrition) and hormonal disturbances
11 The rigid eating rules may result in low body weight and sometimes the sociocultural ideals of healthiness, at least in Western countries, may overlap greatly with thin and muscular ideals. However, this low weight may be better conceived as a side effect or a consequence of ON instead of as the result of body dissatisfaction
CRITERION C: ONSET of ON
12 ON seems to be associated with the development of other forms of EDs and/or with migration to other forms of F&EDs. It may precede others F&EDs, coexist with EDs (when orthorexic attitude represents a more socially acceptable way of deploying the F&ED), follow other F&EDs (representing in this case a faulty coping strategy when no longer able to practice other F&ED behaviors). It might serve as a coping strategy for individuals affected with AN to continue restricting their diet
13 People may develop ON as a consequence of prescribed or self-prescribed dietary rules related or not to clinical conditions (e.g. people with chronic/somatic diseases requiring specific restrictions; seeking food theories to adhere to cure a chronic disease such as fibromyalgia, food allergies or intolerances). ON may also represent in these cases a coping mechanism of chronic diseases in which strict dieting is needed (feeling of control)
CRITERION D: EXCLUSION CRITERIA
14 The food selection and/or exclusion from the diet is not attributable to a clinical dietary prescription (e.g. in renal insufficiency, obesity, food allergies and intolerances)
15 If clinical conditions are present and motivate food selection and/or exclusion, the onset of ON is characterized by a food selection and/or exclusion that is excessive, inappropriate, and goes beyond standard medical advice and practices
16 The food selection and/or exclusion from the diet is not attributable to economic conditions, values, cultural, religious beliefs or delirious ideas
OTHER CHARACTERISTICS ASSOCIATED OR POSSIBLY RISK FACTORS
17 Competitive sports, athletic performance concerns and high physical exercise frequency
18 History of others F&EDs or mental disorders (e.g. OCD)
Just wanted to remind everyone: I’ve said it before but I don’t hate Rachel Reid as a person, and I don’t condone any violence, threats, misogyny or ableism towards her.
But there is nothing wrong with anyone being critical of her as an author, and since she’s accepted accolades for being a pioneer and “changemaker” for her work representing queer and POC characters, I will judge her work by that standard.
Most of us can agree that she’s a highly flawed author, some would say flawed to the point of being bad, some would disagree. There is a huge inconsistency in what she’s telling and what she’s showing, and she retcons certain issues to fit a narrative. Certain important concepts that drive character action drop out of the series with no clear explanations (like Ilya being afraid to come out because of Russia).
My predominant feeling towards TLG is FRUSTRATION. It COULD be an adequate book within its genre of a lighthearted romance, and Season 2 of the show certainly isn’t 100% hopeless. The showrunners just need to realize (at least in private, I know they can’t badmouth the book in public) there are serious problems and make adjustments. They could even embrace some of the fanon and make them explicitly shown.
They need to let go of Rachel Reid’s central framework that Shane’s selfishness is essential to the conflict. Not only is it not essential, it wrecks both main characters and weakens homophobia as the enemy.
They cannot be afraid of making Shane look sympathetic.
Here’s my “fix-it”, if you will (and I know a lot of this won’t happen).
If Ilya’s desire to come out is unduly influenced by his mental illness, and he’s an unreliable narrator, establish him that way by showing that he hasn’t thought about the consequences adequately and that his demands of Shane are unfair. Have his line of thinking be challenged. When he goes “I’ve chosen hockey over you”, at some point, somebody could help him realize “No you haven’t. You don’t have any idea what would actually happen to you if you come out. Your sacrifices are hugely disproportional to what you’re asking of Shane”. He could also come to this realization himself and do some reflection after trip gate. In the conversation where he “opens up to Shane about his depression”, he could also acknowledge he was wrong to pressure Shane and that Shane’s fears were justified instead of just talking about how the way he sprung Bood’s party on Shane was misguided.
The unreliable narrator idea could also be established by making it clear that Shane’s fear of coming out is reasonable, instead of selfish and out of proportion to the perceived consequences (ie let go of the Shane is selfish framework!!!). The league should come across as much more homophobic and oppressive than it is in the book. The Voyageurs should be shown to be homophobic from the get-go, and hopefully this will be shown through the coming out scene. The characters who have come out before should suffer negative career consequences. If Scott Hunter is “spared” for the sake of optics, then the microaggression and homophobia inherent in tokenism should be very discomforting (there are opportunities to show the seriousness of this in the book too, considering there are multiple chances at private conversation between Scott and Ilya). Ilya should have more empathy towards Shane, and proportionally, his anger needs to be directed more towards the league than Shane (ideally he shouldn’t feel any anger towards Shane for something he can’t help, but he’s only human).
At the very least, do not portray him as happy about tripgate. It would go a long way if he’s shown to be grieving Shane’s loss alongside him instead of being all “yay! I get everything I want now”. Think about his anger, humiliation and pain after Sochi. His reaction to Shane being ousted from his team, losing captaincy, being tarred and feathered and being tarred and feathers should be on par with Sochi. Excitement is a bizarre emotion to have when the man you love has suffered this sort of loss.
On that note, Shane should be allowed to grieve, and the outrage from Ilya and Shane’s loved ones should be more prolonged and intense. The fallout from tripgate is the single greatest demonstration of professional hate crime against a queer player across the entire series, and reactions from all characters should be proportional to that.
If anyone follows my comments and posts, my views are evolving and I welcome discussions. If anybody likes TLG and are firm believers in the head canons and fanons that make this book more palatable, that’s great and I urge you to maybe not reread it too much because exploring this book more deeply was a bit painful for me.
I see people defending TLG being like “it’s part of an unfinished series. Let’s see Unrivaled”.
That’s great guys. I’m sure in Unrivaled, Shane will receive justice about he was right to be reluctant to come out. Ilya will reflect on how wrong it was for him to pressure Shane to go public and how little empathy he showed Shane after tripgate. The Centaurs, beacons of wokeness, will also recognize the injustice that Shane’s captaincy was taken from him and he’s not being paid what he’s due and take actions to rectify that. I’d LOVE that to be the case.
Let’s just ignore that one of the only details we got for Unrivaled is how Shane got over losing captaincy quickly and how great it is that he gets to see Ilya be captain. I’m sorry, but it looks like some people’s wishful thinking of co-captaincy is not happening. (I guess Shane could be “considered” co-captain or an “equal leader”. That actually would be very on brand for this series for a POC to do all the work and shoulder the responsibilities and not get the title).
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Something that blew apart the head canon of “the reason Ilya and Shane have this conflict of whether to come out or not is because the league is so homophobic that it’s not safe”: part of what makes Ilya sad about staying secret is seeing other players being out and how great things were for them.
He’s not sitting there being like “wow, all these other guys lost their careers, got constantly harassed and one of them got violently hate crimed. I’ve given it serious thought and preparation, and I want to come out anyways. I’m sure it’ll be worth it”.
If you scroll down to my old posts, I was fully behind the “homophobia is the true enemy in TLG” for some time before I was like “wait a minute, why does this only apply to Shane Hollander?”
Correction: mentioned in passing that two players got pushed out of the league.
Part of Shane Hollander will always “just want to play hockey”. But after over a decade in MLH, he also wants to win, be respected for his achievements, be paid for what he’s worth and have his jersey hung up on the rafters in Montreal. He’s allowed to want those things because he’s worked hard for them. It’s not selfish.