Mo Troperâs fourth album Dilettante is a sprawling, 28 song patchwork in the spirit of GBV but with the ethos of The Replacementsâ Hootenanny and the fuzzy effervescence of The Exploding Hearts (a sound some are deeming âMo-fi.â) Opening with the audio equivalent of a Big Dog t-shirt (an instrumental nu-metal tribute riff entitled âTotal Euphoriaâ) and careening through a veritable diamond mine of power pop gems ranging from 30 seconds to 3 minute perfection.
I was stoked to chat with Mo about writing and recording Dilettante, adjusting to post-COVID life as an artist, expanding the rigid conservative confines of power pop as a genre, and how The Black Parade is the last self-serious rock opera in the culture.
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The Alternative: Sonically, Dilettante is very of a piece with your earlier, more fuzzy, lo-fi records, but thereâs an elevation in the songwriting and youâre trying new things â treading new territory in terms of your approach. Youâve spoken about how Natural Beauty was essentially trying to make a Jellyfish record on a budget. That was definitely your most ornate and arranged record to date. Was Dilettanteâs approach a response to that? Or was it just situational â purely how things came about as you were putting together a new record?
Mo Troper: I guess it was both, kind of. I think the entire experience of making Natural Beauty, spending two and a half years on it or whatever, and then finally releasing it like three weeks before COVID. That whole experienceâŚI didnât really appreciate how deflating that experience was when it was happening. In hindsight, it sucked to put that much time and energy and money into a record and then for the world to basically end. There was a part of me that was like âWell Iâm not going to do that again, because God knows whatâs going to happen in the future.â It was a response to it in that way. But, like you said, it was also situational. I donât really wanna spend a lot of time in a studio right now. It was the easiest type of record to make on my own, or mostly on my own.
I was talking to Sonia from Alien Boy about this. We feel like over the course of the pandemic, our friends have either reverted to straight rock, or gotten like super super into modular synthesizer territory. I feel like I went the other way. After not playing music with people for like 14 months, I was like âFuck!â I wanna be really loud and just rock again. I was thinking about how it would sound live â records like that.
You wanted to take it âBack to the Shack.â
*laughs* Exactly! It wasnât a conscious return to anything. There are different kinds of records that I like to make, and itâs been a while since I had made a record like this, so I wanted to do that again.
The fact that itâs 28 tracks is obviously a big talking point for the album. Itâs front and center in everything thatâs been out there about the record. Self-effacingly calling it a âdata dumpâ aside, I think thereâs a lot of really great tracks spread throughout the album. I really like how it has this âplaylist as albumâ vibe by design. How many of those songs are songs you had lying around and recorded for this album as a clearinghouse? How much of it was written under quarantine? Was it meant to be this sprawling, GBV-esque journey?
Itâs 60% songs I had written over quarantine, and then sort of like 40% stuff I had lying around. What happened is â I had a lot of stuff that I wrote over quarantine. Itâs funny because I originally wanted to record an album that was like 15 minutes and it ended up being this thing where it was one or the other. I had a bunch of songs, but there was no soul or a way that connected the songs in a way that I could present them as an album. So I started thinking about doing this approach instead. It was really freeing, because it made me feel like I could unearth a bunch of songs â some of these songs I wrote when I was 18, and finally finished. Or they were recorded really poorly a long time ago, with different lyrics for my first band Your Rival. I had a friend in Portland text me, ââThe Blood Donor in Meâ â finally!â That was a song my high school band played live. Thereâs a video from 2012 of us playing it at Sound Off! â the Seattle battle of the bands thing. Thereâs a lot of song sketches that Iâve wanted to do something with for a long time, and I was pretty self conscious about them or didnât know how to finish them and I finally had an outlet for that. I could just put it out as it is and that would be fine, because thatâs how everything on this record is.
Thatâs really cool! Were the instrumental songs written before or after you came up with the approach for Dilettante?
No, those were old! Those were old riffs that I had lying around that I thought were funny. âCum on My Khakisâ is like a fake screamo song kind of. As soon as I committed to doing this kind of pacing for the album, I was like, âWelp, I can do all this other shit now!â There were some songs that I came up with as I was recording. âWet T-Shirt Contestâ was just a joke I had and I thought I might as well flesh it out and include this on a record.
I love those moments of levity! I mean, right off the bat, you start off the record with a KoRn pastiche. That rocks! I think thatâs fucking awesome. Youâve got the horse whinnying sound effect to start âThe Expendables Ride Againâ â it immediately sets the record on a fun, funny note. If it had been 15 minutes long, it would have been your Tony Molina record â although in some ways this record did end up being your Tony Molina record anyway.
If you do a record thatâs like 15 minutes, or sub 20 minutes â every song has to be phenomenal.
I think the batting average on this record is really good â and a lot of the songs are pretty short! Theyâre just fun little ditties. Stuff like âSugar & Creamâ â itâs such a sweet melody. Theyâre all cool songs â even though itâs 28 songs, the record still comes out to around 50 minutes long, and it just flies by. You had already recorded and released âThe Perfect Songâ last year â what made you want to revisit it for this album?
When it was originally written, I had always intended to be record it this way â in a very electric, rock band style. I thought it was a good song and even when I was considering doing a 15 minute record I still wanted to do a re-recording of âThe Perfect Song.â I think the experience of practicing â we started to have our first band practices again around the same time I started making this record. âThe Perfect Songâ was on our set, and we thought it sounded good and good enough to re-record. I wrote âThe Perfect Songâ with the intention of not singing it. At the beginning of quarantine, I wanted to start a band with some other people. I think I was feeling pretty depressed and wanted something new to focus on instead of having to cancel a tour. Originally Brendan â who plays guitar with me â we were going to start a new band and write the songs but not sing. This Portland musician named Tuesday Faust was going to sing. That was going to be a rock band, but it never materialized. I just wanted to do âThe Perfect Songâ *the right way.*
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I love both versions of the song! Itâs a good taster for the next Mo Troper tour. Speaking of, youâve alluded to not really wanting to tour anymore â are you ruling that out? I know youâre touring with Floating Room next month.
It really depends on the circumstances. The Floating Room tour is opening for Citizen and these bands that are just massive. Itâs different from a DIY tour where youâre essentially losing money for no reason â unless you love driving through the badlands. Itâs just likeâŚthe 25 day tours I was on where I would never get East of Denver â what the fuck was a I doing?! â2 shows in Flagstaff!â For a while, I havenât wanted to do that. COVID and being pushed to go on a tour as soon as everyone got the green light and thinking âis this really worth it?â Assessing it â I kind of have a bad taste in my mouth. Itâd have to be an incredible opportunity for me to want to do that. With this whole rollout, I didnât send the singles to DSPs because I wasnât expecting any pre-release *anything.* I just wanted to be really casual about it, and itâs ended up exceeding my expectations. I just spent all of my 20s listening to other people, and desperately searching for a label, and desperately searching for a manger, and having people tell me âWell, you should really play South By!â and I think that I have always had the most success and felt the most gratification when Iâve just done whatever I want. That doesnât really include touring. Iâve been on a lot of tours, and itâs never really paid off.
From a lyrical perspective, you have some classic Troper tropes in play. Withering critiques of the scene seem to be a recurring theme in a lot of your songs. In âAll My Friends Are Venmoâ you kind of do the Cheekface or Kiwi jr sprechgesang thatâs very social media driven and conscious. I have no idea what the fuck âVelvet Scholars Lineâ is about â thatâs just pure Pollardesque phrases being spun together. Thatâs one thing I was particularly interested in â what the fuck is that song about?
Itâs a bunch of Instagram pages for kangals and, like, large central Asian dogs â itâs captions on those pages translated. My instinct was that those translations looked a lot like Guided By Voices lyrics, so I wondered what they would sound like with a Guided By Voices style song. Originally the record was called The Famous Rat Mitali Straight Daughter of the Velvet Scholars Line â that was the original title. The cover art that Maya drew is inspired by one of those Instagram posts.
I love that! Itâs reverse-engineering a GBV song. I guess I had clocked that! Itâs very deliberately a GBV style song. Going back to âVenmoâ â thatâs a really fun and interesting new style of song for you.
Itâs funny that people like that song. To me, that song is so clearly me doing an impression. My friend Nathan from Cool Original was saying it sounded like âif Jeffrey Lewis was an idiot and really into no wave.â He got it. Some people have been like, *affects voice* âWoah, that one just really knocked me out, man!â Thatâs cool.
I feel like I try and stay away from topical lyric territory. I wanted to do something that was very extreme and extremely unnatural for me â making every word was somehow topical. There isnât really anything profound to me about that song.
Thatâs one thing I wanted to follow up on that was also percolating in my head while listening to the record. Youâve mentioned doing an impression as a song. Youâve got âVelvet Scholars Lineâ as this GBV impression, youâve got âWet T-Shirt Contestâ as this Elvis Costello impression, youâve got the math rock/screamo impression, youâve got the KoRn/nu-metal impression. Are there other tracks where youâre just doing straight up pastiche?
âSugar & Creamâ is very obviously a fake musical theater song.
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The word âmusicalâ keeps getting thrown around with regard to this album â Iâm assuming self-effacingly. How much during the process were you thinking âThis is my American Idiot?â
*laughs* I donât even know anymore! Itâs funny how musical theater is eternally campy â it was campy then, and it was campy now. I never really understood the theater kid thing â there wasnât really a theater department in my high school. What high school are these people going to â are they going to private schools??
Musically, there is a strain of musical theater albums that cross over into a rock or dare we say power pop territory. Little Shop of Horrors, Rocky Horror, pretty much any 70s musical that features a murder.
For sure. I think thatâs a really passĂŠ idea. Very few people think doing a rock opera is cool right now, unless youâre My Chemical Romance.
In a way, Black Parade is the last major rock opera. Fucked Up did David Comes to Life but thatâs more of a deconstruction or satire of the concept. Any modern ârock operaâ has been a self-aware deconstruction â more like a post-rock opera really. Iâve never really considered that before! Thatâs kind of fascinating.
I havenât really thought about that either! I think itâd be a lot more fun to turn an album into a musical than to go on tour *laughs* but I donât have serious aspirations about that. Itâs just a fun way of thinking about the album.
Itâs totally funny! Itâs 100% in line with the spirit of the album â itâs a musical! Why not?
We were talking about pastiche and song impressions. Some of it is just my friendsâ bands in Portland. I think for a lot of it I was inspired by something specific. It makes it a lot easier to finish songs that way, when you have a clear template.
This is your first record since you made your [since deleted] exhaustive, ranked list of the 100 best power pop artists last year. Not without some controversy from the old guard of power pop! Was there any kind of influence from you compiling that that went into the songwriting on this album?
Thatâs a really interesting question. That was my first real post-COVID project, where I finally had some time where I wasnât working. After writing that and seeing the response, I was kind of turned off by power pop, and turned off by myself and my own sensibilities. I do think that kind of pushed me into doing something that was more modern or raw, or just getting further away and distancing myself from whatever *that* is. I donât want to become that â the Jon Wurster, Power Pop Pop-Pop. I donât want to become a facsimile of this thing that already exists and was done a lot better 20 or 30 years ago. Some people are really embedded in that world and they really do orbit the Des Moines Popathon.
*laughs* Yeah. It just made me feel like I had more in common with people who were into like punk and indie rock. Itâs not the first time Iâve experienced that. One of the things that inspired that list was that there are a lot of people who arrive at power pop from Motion City Soundtrack, or whatever, and then they discover Fountains of Wayne, and Fountains of Wayne namedrops The Raspberries, and so on. Iâm on new medication now and Iâm not as easily chafed, but I was really annoyed for a while when there would be, like, some true blue pop-punk band and some publication would call them power pop. Thatâs a really dorky thing to be annoyed about, but I wanted to set the record straight.
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New Found Glory: Not power pop!
*laughs* Exactly! I guess somehow I wasnât stringent enough, for some people. Thatâs the one really cool thing about those playlists that Brad [Shoup] made â how nondiscriminating they are. Thatâs how I feel too.
I totally agree! Earlier this year I did an interview with Matt from Hurry and we talked about how conservative a genre power pop is. It may be conservative in terms of the confines of how you specifically go about creating a power pop song, but pretty much anyone can do that regardless of what type of artist they are. A band whoâs nominally not power pop can write and release a power pop song. âLittle Black Dressâ by One Direction is 100% a power pop song in any era. It has every touchpoint of the genre and sounds like The Raspberries! Itâs a generational thing, I think. A lot of us as millennials and Gen Z donât have the same thinking with regard to genre. Millennials through the tumblr era were obsessed with genre to the point that they were creating microgenres â an excuse to compartmentalize genre to the nth degree and pave the way for our genreless future. Approaching power pop in that capacity â itâs the poptimist approach to power pop.
Speaking of the Power Pop Gods, this is also your first album since recording and releasing your Revolver cover album. Did unlocking the keys of The Beatlesâ arrangements give you any juice for this record, or was it incidental? Just limbering you up to make Dilettante?
It limbered me up, and thatâs another example of something I did because I just wanted to do it. I wanted to do it really quickly, but it was something I did entirely on my own terms, and the response to it was pretty cool. I think in that way it was inspiring. It was like âWow! I just decided to do this thing, and I put it out, and people seemed to like it â why donât I just do that with my real music?â In that way it was freeing. I just think that Iâve spent so long not doing fun music stuff like that â every album needed an annoying rollout and then Iâd have to go on tour and it doesnât result in anything. After I thought, âI should do this kind of thing more!â
So whatâs next? Are we going to see a modular synth Mo Troper record? You mentioned different kinds of albums you could make â is there another album you think you could put together that you still have in the chamber?
*laughs* The only âtype of albumâ that Iâve wanted to make that I havenât had the chance to is like an album that is totally acoustic â like a Dear Nora or Nick Drake type of record. I love that stuff but Iâve never made it. I think thatâs a really challenging kind of record to make. Thatâs something Iâm interested in making at one point. But also â itâs been a long time since Iâve been able to put out a piece of music and just chill, and I feel like I can do that this time around because of these circumstances. I donât have a new album written and Iâm not really thinking about it. It feels good.
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Interview: Mo Troper was originally published on The Alternative