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hate when people assume that i don't like kataang just bc i ship zutara like no even if i didn't like zutara i still would very much dislike kataang. like honestly i would be totally fine with zutara not being canon if kataang wasn't canon either bc for me its not about being bitter that "my ship" wasn't canon i simply don't like what kataang does to katara as a character
"People like Zutara cause it's dark and intriguing," and then the popular Zutara fanon tropes are like;
- Zuko helps Katara with the camp chores without being asked
Like this is clearly a female-centered fantasy but it's the opposite of being shallow, which is an assumption rooted in misogyny at its core. The fantasy is not the hot sexy brooding bad boy being all aloof and standoffish and mean and dominant. It's the shy misunderstood awkward dork who is grumpy on the outside but actually a huge softie and has a short fuse with everyone except his favorite person who he's definitely not secretly pining for and who is secretly a hopeless romantic. The fantasy is "man who cares about me," it's "man who does the dishes without being asked," that is so the opposite of shallow and has nothing to do with Zuko being hot and sexy.
Zuko is not an aloof jerk when he's with people he feels safe with. At his core he is a fucking sap whose immediate reaction to finding something he thinks is pretty is to give it to his girlfriend. He is the kind of boy who would do something incredibly personal and thoughtful like hand-pick wildflowers to make a tiny bouquet and then worry that it's stupid but give it to the girl anyway.
That is the main appeal of his canon characterization. Not that he's a bad boy, but that he fails so miserably at being a bad boy that he's actually a fucking dork who would probably turn red just from holding hands.

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Okay. The Zuko being called a bad boy thing has got to go. It is used so often to invalidate Zutara as a ship (to say that it's shallow or toxic), but it has to completely mischaracterize Zuko and his entire relationship dynamic with Katara to do so.
He is quite literally a subversion of the bad boy archetype. He is a failure to bad boy by design. His whole characterization from the beginning is that he's empathetic and cares about others, was punished for it, and goes out of his way to try to be the kind of man his father wants him to be opposite to his true nature. As long as he tries to be this person that he is not, he will suffer for it and fail until he embraces who he is and rejects the notions his father put into his head.
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Let's go over some of the common traits of the bad boy archetype!
Charisma/Confidence
See Zuko's complete social awkwardness and inability to talk like a normal person. He's literally a sputtering mess; he actually gives me second-hand embarrassment.
Emotional Unavailability/Avoidance
Zuko pretty consistently is empathetic, and especially with Katara is more than comfortable talking about his feelings and pretty personal life issues in an open way. He also is pretty consistent about persistently confronting problems and dealing with them even when it's an uphill battle. He takes issue with Mai being more shut down and avoidant. He doesn't ignore problems or run away from them.
Manipulative
He literally is incapable of being manipulative or deceptive, he's too forthright; times when he does try to lie, he is shown messing it up spectacularly and being incredibly obvious. If he was more manipulative or used any of his circumstances to make excuses for himself, his life would have been so much easier gaining sympathy with and getting into the group. But he takes the hard way through almost everything he does. He is a blunt instrument and takes the most direct path even if there's 100 obstacles in his path.
Mysterious/Unpredictable
LOL Mr. Capture the Avatar Restore My Honor. He's got literally one thing on his mind and spends the entire show realizing that this narrow path he's clinging onto around every turn is not the only one.
Rebellious/Cool
Spends the majority of the show following the path put in front of him. His only true rebellion happens at the end of season 3 where he is arguably at his most "good", and it's him rebelling against the worldview put in front of him by someone evil. This is also when he sheds trying to be someone he's not, and his personality is furthest it's ever been from being like unto a bad boy.
I'll cede that his design might be cool, or his abilities- but competence at anything is cool on its own and does not make an individual's personality cool. He's a loser; he gets styled on so often for yuks. He's a dork. His personality is cringefail. He is cringe and he fails at nearly everything he does. It's great, it's endearing how uncool he is. He practices talking to himself to hype himself up to talk to the group, says "Hello, Zuko here", is like "no that's stupid I gotta say something else", and then goes up to the group and is like, "Hello, Zuko here." PLEASE.
Socially more dominant
My boy sat outside Katara's tent all night like a wet cat because he cared about her feelings so much, spent the rest of that episode making sure things were taken care of for her, and in general kept trying with her pretty patiently while she was consistently raging at him. He took his lumps from her for a long while. Also, the progression of his facial expressions seeing her to when he finds out she's mad at him are literally :D -> :c
Also, he's just constantly being clowned on to the point of utter resignation. He's very often a character you're supposed to point and laugh at.
The whole "fixing him" element, the emotional rollercoaster instability, maladaptive responses to conflict
But Zuko fixed himself. Him coming back and trying to prove himself is all his choice. The appeal of him with Katara is that he balances her out and makes an effort for her all on his own. He knows it's her choice to forgive him and he doesn't expect her to; he acts because he wants to and cares.
He is also shown to be stable and safe; she lets herself be mad at him for all manner of other issues because he's a safe person to be mad at, and he doesn't feed the flame or run away from the problem. In TSR he is the rock to her storm; he is a consistent, stable counterpart fully determined to show up for her no matter what just for her peace. There is no hot and cold to their dynamic. No emotional dysregulation. They actually help each other process their emotions when they talk about their problems. The appeal is that it's healthy and reciprocal (and dare I say cute)!
And for the whole "he corrupts Katara" argument I see against him in TSR all the time, look at his dialogue again. He doesn't once tell her what to do, he just trusts her to make her own decisions... like an autonomous human being... who he respects. He solely backs up the decisions she chooses to make, and makes sure she's taken care of and safe in the meantime. When she makes a decision contrary to what he expected, he goes along with it. He is just there to be there for her. His only motivation is to get Katara closure and justice on a man who otherwise will never see it and leaves it up to her how she wants to go about it. (In this case, justice was letting him live out the rest of his miserable life.) Is it toxic that he let her make her own decisions regarding her trauma and helped her process her emotions about it, or is it toxic that people act like Katara is incapable of making her own decisions and it must be because a man forced and corrupted her?
I rest my case.
"People like Zutara cause it's dark and intriguing," and then the popular Zutara fanon tropes are like;
- Zuko helps Katara with the camp chores without being asked
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I really wish people would stop saying that A.ang is a "not conventionally attractive" character. He's not conventionally unattractive, he's a child. He's prepubescent. That is not the same as being conventionally unattractive. People don't find him romantically unappealing because he's ugly, they find him romantically unappealing because he looks and acts like a child because he is a child.
And this in and of itself is a conventional heteronormative romance trope, especially in media aimed at young boys. Aang isn't breaking any stereotypes by being a young boy insecure about how he isn't man enough to win a beautiful girl, he was written that way to be relatable to young boys.
Yes this too, an unconventionally attractive male love interest with a beautiful girl is not breaking gender stereotypes, it's a classic male romantic fantasy. And it's not that Aang is not a muscular masculine man, it's that he's 12. Of course he's not attractive, of course he's scrawny, of course he's short, of course his personality is childish and immature. He's 12.
Winning the affection of the pretty older girl who formerly saw you as a cute little kid she looked after like a babysitter is not "breaking gender stereotypes" in any conceivable manner, having the girl be the responsible one while the boy is silly and childish and irresponsible and in need of being kept on the right path by the girl who is level-headed and mature and no-nonsense is a classic trope that was especially popular in the 2000s.
Yes, and it's telling that when people want to bring up counter arguments, they'll reach for examples like the Hunchback of Notre Dame, in which a male character does not get the girl of his dreams because he is severely disabled and actually IS the image of an unconventional male hero.
Yeah like Aa.ng isn't ugly there's just a huge maturity gap between him and Katara both mentally/emotionally and physically, they make you feel every second of those 2 years. It is not promoting toxic ideas about masculinity to say that 14 year old girls are not interested in prepubescent 12 year old boys they babysat. It has nothing to do with him being short and skinny.
Hell, if A.ang were the same age or slightly older than Katara and looked like it, if he were taller and had muscles and hair and was hot but you changed nothing about their personalities, dynamic, and interactions, I'd still find this relationship weird because she is so much more mature than him and its still just the classic "responsible girlfriend has to parent her goofy boyfriend" trope that I'm not fond of.
If you made everyone the same age and had the boys swap appearances but changed nothing else about their interpersonal dynamics I'd still feel the same, because it's not about their appearances.
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If Kata.ang was a concept that the creators were confident in then they wouldn't have to nuke and retcon the canonical very close friendship of Katara and Zuko, but they do because they fear the interpersonal chemistry of these characters so much that they have to pretend like they weren't canonically very close to each other and shared a deep emotional bond.
Like people will ask why Zutara has to be romantic when platonic relationships are just as significant and yeah, you're right, I would be less pissed if they had let Katara and Zuko remain the best friends that they are by the end of the series, the problem is that they don't even let Katara and Zuko stay friends, because it's pretty undeniable which of them was the better friend to Katara and had a more mutualistic and choice-based relationship with her.
If romantic Kata.ang could survive being juxtaposed by platonic Zutara (the friendship they had in the show that they then ruined and acted like didn't exist in the comics and movie) then they wouldn't need to keep them ten feet apart at all times and pretend like they never had a significant emotional bond in the post-series materials.
If Katara having Zuko as her best friend or very close friend creates too much tension and confusion because people might continue to get the vibe that they're in love with each other, maybe there's a reason people keep coming to that conclusion. It's not necessarily that Katara and Zuko have better romantic chemistry than Katara and A.ang do, it's that Katara and Zuko have better platonic chemistry than Katara and A.ang do, and platonic chemistry is what romantic chemistry is built off of.
The fact that Katara and A.ang are friends for longer is not a replacement for chemistry between them. Fundamentally, they became friends because Katara feels a sense of duty and obligation to nurture and raise him so that he can become a fully realized Avatar and end the war, and Aan.g formed an attachment to Katara as the first person he saw when he woke up from the ice like a duckling imprinting on the first living being it sees and idolized her for being in a caretaker role over him. I don't hate their friendship, I think it actually had a lot of room to drive the positive development of both characters, just not in ways that would have ended up with them together romantically. Maybe I'll make a post on that and how I'd fix ATLA in my own image idk.
Zuko and Katara are friends entirely by choice. Zuko worked to earn back her trust and friendship, not because he needed her friendship but because he wanted it, and Katara forgave him not because she had a sense of duty or obligation to him but because she wanted to. It doesn't matter that they were friends for less time because Zuko shows more respect for Katara's agency, gives her darker emotions the significance they deserve, and shows her more emotional support in 8 episodes than Aa.ng does in 3 seasons.
Every flaw in the writing of Aa.ng's character can be explained by the fact that he is a self-insert and wish fulfillment fantasy for Bryke.
To be clear, I want to differentiate between a Character Flaw™️ and a flaw in the writing of a character. When I say flaws in Aa.ng's character, I don't mean things like his avoidance of his problems, his immaturity, or later on in the series his inability to regulate his darker emotions. These are Character Flaws™️, and every character needs them in order to be relatable, in order to feel real and not be boring. Aang having flaws is not a bad thing, it's just part of being A Character.
The flaws in the way his character is written, on the other hand, are the choices made behind the scenes by the creators that made him less likeable as the series went on. The Character Flaws he has are not things that condemn him to being labeled as a Bad Person who is worthy of hatred and derision, but it is the fact that his character flaws go almost entirely unaddressed by the end of the series that end up leaving a lot of people with a bad taste in their mouth about him by the end.
Do a close watch and take note of every time Aang does something wrong, every time he makes a mistake or harms one of his friends unintentionally, and then take note of whether or not his friends stay mad at him when they reasonably would and whether he ever apologizes to them before they inexplicably forgive him or seem to just forget what he said or did. There are definitely examples where he DOES apologize when it's needed, especially earlier in the series, but the times when he does not apologize vastly outweigh the times that he does, especially later on.
All of this can be chalked up to the fact that the things Aan.g would need to do to positively develop as a character are things that are not fun and therefore get in the way of the fantasy. Having your friends stay mad at you is not fun. Having to reflect on your actions and recognize your faults and be humbled and apologize for the ways you wronged your friends is not fun. Having to accept that the girl you've been pining over might not like you back and having to accept the possibility that you won't end up with her is not fun. Having her stay mad at you for yelling at her, for violating her, or for continuing to run away from your problems, is not fun. Having to apologize for all these things and admit your faults and grow from them is not fun.
What is fun is not having to ever be held accountable for anything, not having to give anything up in order to win, and getting the girl in the end anyway despite never making anything up to her.
I don't hate A.ang, but I'm censoring his name in this post because his stans tend to have fucking rabies and will foam at the mouth if you say anything critical of him or the way he's written or point out the ways he treats Katara poorly or imply that it's not a foregone conclusion that he NEEDS to end up with her.
He could have been a stronger character, a better written character, if they had actually let his flaws be flaws, but they don't. It's not that they don't give him flaws, it's that they don't LET the flaws be treated as flaws by the story. He doesn't have to grow from them.
Often when criticizing Aa.ng's character, instead of refuting our points, his stans will just endlessly deflect to Zuko's actions and try to claim that we hold Aa.ng to a way higher standard than Zuko because people who criticize Aa.ng tend to like Zuko more, which may seem hypocritical from the viewpoint of an A.ang stan, because Zuko does way worse things than Aa.ng. Zuko stans who criticize Aa.ng do not think that A.ang yelling at his friends and acting like a dick and then not apologizing for it is somehow worse than the villainous stuff Zuko did, like (however unintentionally) setting fire to Kyoshi Island and showing no care for the consequences of such a thing. I'll die on the hill that canonically it was reckless negligence and not intentional arson, but that doesn't change that he didn't care once the fires started and consequentially the action has the same end result.
Zuko ends up being a more likeable character to us in spite of all of his crimes because he demonstrates visible remorse and growth in a way that A.ang does not. It's not that Aan.g does anything worse than Zuko or that Zuko's crimes are somehow more forgivable, it's that he takes steps to actually earn forgiveness in a way that A.ang is not made to by the narrative before being rewarded. Regardless of how much more mild Aa.ng's "crimes" are, comparing him to a character who has done worse things is not a replacement for actual growth.
A.ang's character declines in his likeability because his wrongs are not meaningfully addressed, he's just allowed over and over again by the story to get away with them and not have to atone or change for his friends to forgive him and pretend like nothing happened.
Zuko has to over and over again be humiliated and punished by the narrative, until eventually he is for the first time in the story rewarded for doing something heinous with everything that he thinks he wants and has to decide on his own, with no tangible reward waiting for him on the other side, that he's made a horrible mistake and must make things right no matter how ego-bruising it will be. Admitting you were wrong hurts, and the more wrong you were, the harder it is. And Zuko did A LOT wrong, so him having to admit that both to himself and to the people he's hurt and to try to make it up to them is a Herculean task for most people. The fact that he takes on that task anyway, and that the audience already understands that he is a character with deeply rooted self-worth issues, is impressive and admirable. It would have been way easier for him to do nothing, to keep living his empty vapid frivolous life of luxury and never have to face the people he's harmed, but he doesn't.
Comparatively, the fact that A.ang wrongdoings are much milder than Zuko's does not translate into him being the more likeable character, but the opposite. Because comparatively, it should be way easier for Aa.ng to admit his faults and apologize than it is for Zuko to do the same. He never burned down anyone's village, he never attacked anyone while their back was turned, he never threatened a bunch of terrified women and children with fire. It should be the easiest thing in the world to give him a moment of growth where he says something along the lines of "I'm sorry for how I spoke to you back there, I'm going through a lot but that doesn't mean it's okay for me to take it out on you." That is way easier to do than trying to prove yourself to people who you hunted and attacked across the world. Zuko's trauma and the fact he's had a rough life is never used as a replacement for his atonement. He still has to prove himself to them regardless of how he ended up the way he is.
A.ang's lack of character development can be directly attributed to his status as a self-insert for Bryke. Going through the growing pains associated with becoming a better person and developing as a character is not fun, so Aa.ng does not do it, because that interferes with the little-boy power fantasy they're trying to create.
And the most frustrating thing is that it didn't have to be this way, Aa.ng could have been a way better written much more likeable, relatable character if they had let his flaws be flaws and made him work through them, if they had shown us his growth. But they don't.
I really wish people would stop saying that A.ang is a "not conventionally attractive" character. He's not conventionally unattractive, he's a child. He's prepubescent. That is not the same as being conventionally unattractive. People don't find him romantically unappealing because he's ugly, they find him romantically unappealing because he looks and acts like a child because he is a child.
And this in and of itself is a conventional heteronormative romance trope, especially in media aimed at young boys. Aang isn't breaking any stereotypes by being a young boy insecure about how he isn't man enough to win a beautiful girl, he was written that way to be relatable to young boys.
Yes this too, an unconventionally attractive male love interest with a beautiful girl is not breaking gender stereotypes, it's a classic male romantic fantasy. And it's not that Aang is not a muscular masculine man, it's that he's 12. Of course he's not attractive, of course he's scrawny, of course he's short, of course his personality is childish and immature. He's 12.
Winning the affection of the pretty older girl who formerly saw you as a cute little kid she looked after like a babysitter is not "breaking gender stereotypes" in any conceivable manner, having the girl be the responsible one while the boy is silly and childish and irresponsible and in need of being kept on the right path by the girl who is level-headed and mature and no-nonsense is a classic trope that was especially popular in the 2000s.

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I really wish people would stop saying that A.ang is a "not conventionally attractive" character. He's not conventionally unattractive, he's a child. He's prepubescent. That is not the same as being conventionally unattractive. People don't find him romantically unappealing because he's ugly, they find him romantically unappealing because he looks and acts like a child because he is a child.
Watching ATLA with my dad who knows nothing and we're on the fortune teller episode and he goes "She's gonna marry Zuko though right? I don't know why but I feel like she's gonna marry Zuko, right?" And I'm short circuiting.
Should I accuse my 62 year old father of self-inserting onto Katara because he thinks Zuko is hot?