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already can't pretend to care about the male loneliness epidemic because it isn't real but listening to the way men actually talk about their friends/what they think friendship entails makes me care even less sorry
read an AITA earlier today about a guy who would walk his female friend home to her dorm very often UNTIL she rejected his romantic advances*, then when she asks him to walk her home bc she's drunk and feels unsafe he says no. Men in the comments were clamoring to insist he "didn't owe her anything" and that she was a deceptive harpy who wanted to use her #femaleprivilege to get "special treatment"
and idkkkkkkk that could never be me sorry!! wym you don't care about your friends safety and are willing to mildly inconvenience yourself to ensure they are okay? no compassion or care for the people in your life but its an "epidemic" when you don't have friends? lol
#my favorite thing about every invented problem men have that is dire and world ending #is that it's none of their responsibility to fix it #'if men can't talk about their feelings are you making an effort to do that and check in with your friends?' #'no I'm acting exactly the same but now when I'm called out on being a dick I have an excuse that says it isn't my fault :)' #and now men being bad friends is women's job to fix not theirs lmao
⬆️ i've only ever seen the "male loneliness epidemic" used as a means to scold women. never as an encouragement for men to be better friends to each other
#also as far as i can tell the social penalty for men being good friends to people#is being perceived as feminine and/or gay#which.#if you're going to let your repulsion for women and gay men stop you from having friends#that seems like a you problem!
Actually really hate this argument. I agree the “male loneliness epidemic” is a stupid way to phrase it, but I think this response to a problem is people taking something that isnt about them incredibly personally. No one is talking about you.
The only women I’ve ever seen targeted with criticism about this is mothers, and yeah, parents do need to do better. Who do you think helps reinforce the idea that feminine = bad for boys? Who do you think could provide a different basis instead?
Incredibly mean spirited. Loneliness is a growing problem for everyone, and the bootstraps rhetoric y’all love to hate on when it comes to economic troubles really rears its head when the issues become social. Is it up to adults to fix their own social experiences? Yeah, no one is responsible for putting up with you, that is life. Is that what people are talking about when they say there is a problem where boys are brought up without a lot of the tools to succeed socially in the future? No, obviously not.
“The only women I’ve ever seen targeted with criticism about this is mothers” okay so youre uninformed and don’t even know what we’re even talking about + saying it’s a conservative mindset for women to not take responsibility for men’s social behavior. like a conservative lol
No, that isnt what I’m saying. I’m explicitly telling you not to take responsibility for men’s behavior, and you hearing rhe opposite is literally the entire problem I am pointing out. “Men don’t have social support structures” does not mean “women need to provide those structures” so stop hearing something that I am not only not saying, but actively said the opposite of.
Women are guilty of being misogynist just like men are, and women are guilty of raising sons to be assholes just as often as men are. Pretty sure that’s feminism 101, or are we arguing against that now too?
Look, I’m not trying to be a jerk, but seriously. The reason I am calling this post conservative logic is because it is looking at a societal problem and saying society has no responsibility for it. Instead the people who don’t know how to socialize just need to socialize better, and other than that, people need to stop talking about it. How is that different than “the people who are poor just need to make money better, what, is it my responsibility to pay for them with my hard earned taxes?”.
People can not deserve help. Thay doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have conversations about how to help them. If you don’t want to be individually involved, then fine! Don’t participate, no one is going to make you. We can still have the conversations, and if you choose to take those conversations personally, I guess that is on you. Like I said in the tags. If everyone throws up their hands at every problem that wasn’t personally caused by them, and says it isnt their problem, then nothing ever improves. And I don’t see anyone here making the argument that there isn’t a problem. Only arguing whose fault it is and why they personally don’t give a shit.
You hopped onto a post about men treating women and other men poorly to insist that actually mothers (not mentioned in this post at all) raise their sons badly and are, therefore, responsible for the way in which misogynistic men behave towards women*. I feel like I don’t have to explain why thats weird lol. I think if you’re going to talk about feminism 101 you should probably understand that that behavior is deeply weird and, statistically, more in line with the behaviors of individuals who believe women are responsible for men’s actions than they are in line with the opposite.
There is a plethora of reasons why “male loneliness” is not equivalent to systematic classism (😭) but the most obvious of which is that “friends” or “treating people well” is not a resource that the ruling class controls and can withhold from men as a class. There’s an argument to be made about how capitalism snuffs out peoples ability to engage in their community, but that’s not exclusive to men (most things cited as causes of the “male loneliness epidemic” are not) and that’s not what you’re talking about now.
this is because barring “men need to choose to be better” those are the only solutions. Who has control over men’s social behaviors and interpersonal relationships, other than themselves? I’ve seen peoole talk about “educating” men, but I feel like I don’t have to explain why relying on men being receptive and welcoming of feminist ideas is not a great game plan (it also circles back around to what class of people is expected to do the educating. Hints it’s women.) Education also requires a willing participant, which counts as “choosing to better.” You are not the first person to make arguments like this on my posts and often times the difference in what we’re saying boils down to “men need to choose to do better” v.s. “men need to do better but it’s not their fault it’s mommy’s fault it’s Society’s fault if everyone hugs him and kissed him he’ll do better but mommy has to do it for him dont be mean he doesn’t know anything 🥺” at which point the question becomes why do you need a bunch of diversions and clarifications and excuses in order to agree with the idea that men must be active players in overcoming this issues or else they will literally never be solved
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i hadn't really like. Truly thought too hard about that author's spider-fucking book so i wasn't putting individual pieces together but thanks to things people have reminded me of on that last post in this book i've realized we've got:
dark-skinned spider centaur love interest who's part of a cannibalistic incestuous spider race where the females are larger bc haha big hot abusive women
which means we've got a bunch of dark-skinned women who are incestuous sexual abusers of the males of their species
white protagonist love interest who is based off griffith from berserk looks-wise but i have also been told that character is like. a serial rapist. so maybe not the best choice
white protagonist leads dark-skinned love interest around with a rope noose around his neck
author makes 'jokes' about the dark-skinned love interest with a specifically "proud curved nose" being objectified
the sexual dynamic between the two MCs is supposed to be the dark-skinned love interest finally getting to be the rough dominant top to the pretty boy white twink protagonist
white twink protagonist is also a genocidal colonizer which i guess is supposed to be funny
@deep-sea-horror yeah
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crazy how every time a female character gets cliche misogynistic writing we have to explain to people again that fictional characters are not real and do not choose things for themselves.
it’s really this at the end of the day tbh
white people online are insane, they will make you their parasocial bestie, eat up your personality and your energy, and when you don't follow the arbitrary laws they made in their head about you, they rally their klan mates and turn on you. many such cases, unfortunately, and so predictable and soooo ridiculous. Entire narratives and storylines made up, entire victim complexes built, and meanwhile your Black ass is just in your room. I don't know what the solution is, maybe whipping? Should we be whipping white people?
theres a reason u associate east asians with femininity and black people with masculinity and it has nothing to do with actual masculine or feminine “behavior” and everything to do with race science 😭 u have been taught race science, u haven’t unlearned race science 😭😭😭😭 READ A BOOK ABOUT RACISMMMM
Race science? 😭
More like Eugenics, Colorism, Eurocentric, Racism, Mysogyny, Mysogynoir in a blender
thats…thats race science…those things are literally due to race science……they would not exist if it were not for race science
Idk but the word race science is so neutral so some reason (maybe because i am not an american to understand the weight of that word), i feel like i had to list out all the ingredients to make it, and yes i do think those things exist before race science. Because colorism stems from classim and misogyny is just there, they are both there in almost every country and continent before trading and people start sailing off to start wars, kidnap people and steal lands.
P.s it is neutral because not many people are talking about it hmmmm -> thank you for using that word because more people should know that that race science is a real thing and is as equally horrible as other terminology
i think you need to google the word race science and like do some reading if you think colorism somehow predates race science…the reason u think its a neutral word is bc u literally dont know what that word means …. race science has never been a american concept…europeans started it… u also clearly have no understanding of white supremacy either….im going to block you now …..
if every1 gonna think im hostile when im just talkin normally maybe i should actually get hostile so yall can see the difference idk that sounds fun actually

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This is mainly within my experience with video games, but what is it with a general chat full of mfs who yap always ALWAYS steering towards people just being ignorant apropos of nothing and just defending being bigoted. No matter WHAT, people just be talking about anything but it always ends up with that shit happening.
Can anyone stop being an anti black racist for a moment? I want a chance at enjoying things again
I'm not even kidding it's so clear that everyone sees black people and especially black women as some sort of alternate species. I'm getting into doll collection & customization videos because I've been getting into collecting myself and toys and art are supposed to bring me happiness and even there I can't escape the anti blackness. Like... you're lucky if you find a character or doll that's consistently brown skinned and carefully designed in popular brands. Collectors will always favor light skin or fantasy colors anyways. I had to watch a white creator call a custom Garnet doll "dummy thicc" and describe her in progress proportions as "female rappery" why couldn't just have said curvy? You're not funny or cool and I'm very tired
I've never seen bloggers of color, especially Black bloggers, make hate blogs over a specific person because of their racism so at the end of the day that's something on white people, but it doesn't surprise me how the presence of a hate blog just makes any racism involved a non issue. Now it's about how hate blogs shouldn't exist (even though y''all clearly....don't mean that) and the racism takes a backseat or may not even exist now, funny how that works. I peep shit, we all do, these white antics only work on other white people and the occasional token and then y'all have the gall to wonder why bloggers of color do not fuck with you. And I'm starting to wonder why anybody gives a damn when all you care about is how other white people view you. Also white people love pulling out slurs to hit themselves with to undermine the discussion of racism. We know what you are. Y'all are very "cishets get away with racism, so why can't we" spirited.
has anyone noticed the new meta for people being accused of bigotry (esp white people being accused of racism) is to claim they're receiving harassment (often with no proof just on a "trust me" level) so the whole conversation turns into how harassment is always wrong and bringing up the bigotry that sparked it will get you accused of lolcowing
“TND means total n word death and it was created by 4channers” Hey uhhhh what were you doing at the devils sacrament. How do you know this?
im black and have had it used on me or seen it used on other black ppl practically everywhere online lets try using our brains
dumbest people in the world i swear

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Why did this white woman on this trivia show just confidently refer to herself as a culture vulture???????
"I don't know much about sports, but I do know these (Black) dances" *proceeds to do one of the dances completely wrong*
Why did this white woman on this trivia show just confidently refer to herself as a culture vulture???????