I run. But sometimes they catch me.

We’re a small and new discord server aimed at POC fans of Supernatural to talk about the show! We’ve got an array of channels, including ones for sharing fanwork, reaction rolemenus, PluralKit, and role-specific channels.

I’ve been seeing other people do this and I thought it would be a nice thing for myself to do to remember all the amazing people I’ve interacted with in 2020. Hasn’t been the best year obviously, but it’s had some pretty amazing people in it! so here’s my 2020 “follow forever” as it were

first I want to give a shout-out to the blogs I’ve been following since before 15x18 dropped, pre-spn renaissance lol: @meatman67(love you blaze) @waywardsunlight @subcas @kingofthecrxssroads @tinkdw @amwritingmeta @shirtlesssammy @celestialcastiel @naruhearts @purgatory-jar @castiels-tight-grip @fandomcolourofmyskin @wanderingcas @godshipsit @thelordsoftherings @casgirl @jellydeans @friedchickenangelwings @butchboromir @deancasendgame @heller-jensen @prayedtoyou

(I might have the timeline of when I’ve followed people mixed up lol but) and of course the blogs that I have been in the trenches with post November 5th: @katebushstandean @antifacas @dreamnovak @fluorescentbrains @depressivedemonnightmaredean @deanwinchesterapologist @autisticandroids @deanofcas @deansasslesschaps @samdyke @procrastinatingbisexual @robbieross @wlwcastiel @castielesbian @sunforgrace @roguecas @supernatural2005 @jenderoftheday @thatisahotsoup @thrashersasuke @americachavez @dykecas @castaell @retrogratorade @belajess @ruthieconnells @deanscaps

(mutuals in bold)

hi anon, thanks for saying this (and that's not sarcasm). I do think we as a fandom used to talk more about the racism in spn than we do now, and that's obviously a problem. I want to make it very clear that while it might not look like it right now (because I'm riding a high and I love these two dorks so much), I do see and acknowledge the (many) flaws in this show. It's been awful to its characters of color (and especially women of color), and I know the fandom also has its issues too, and I completely see how that could push you and other fans away for good. There's no way I can really understand your experience but I am sorry it ruined the enjoyment of something you loved, everyone deserves to feel comfortable in fan spaces and everyone should be able to enjoy media safely.

Hi nonnie,

I have a lot of things to say in response to your message — which does display ignorance of societal organization across systemic racial lines — but without creating a huge extensive post, here are some crucial points to consider:

- The “poor Midwestern white male experience” does NOT discount the insulated bubble of white privilege that Sam and Dean Winchester occupy, and neither is Supernatural immune from racist narratives and/or racist character implementation (especially ‘cause SPN has predominantly white production crew/writers around the table. Again, any literary narrative or script they conceive can and most likely will be influenced by internalized unconscious white dominance —> white-painted narratives perceived by POC viewers. I mean, scour this blog/google ‘Supernatural and racism’ and you’ll get the picture.)

- Additionally, stating that the show is “explicitly about” the poor Midwestern white male experience is false. Yes, you’re a poor white person from a similar area, and so you believe that, as a white person, the show’s premise reflects your experience. However, your statement doesn’t represent reality. The racial blind spot here is: media consumption by (realities of) white people will not equate to media consumption by (realities of) POC.

As I said here, we cannot talk about other systemic forces like socioeconomic class without addressing race. Race is inherently interweaved into other structural dimensions. It’s why BIPOC (Black Indigenous POC) + POC are: statistically paid less than white employees, unequally treated in terms of job capability, encounter unconscious bias across the hiring market, struggle to find jobs, unable to afford three-story suburban houses, and can never seem to find favour no matter how hard we work.

Reni Eddo-Lodge reiterates what white privilege is. When we say ‘white privilege’, we aren’t referring to white people always having it easy, or living in the lap of material wealth (but economic race disparities are instrinsically linked to material wealth), or lacking suffering, or living in poverty.

White privilege: the unearned set of societal benefits, advantages, and positive attitudes/behaviours bestowed upon white people solely because they are white (because of the pale/white colour of their skin). Claiming that Sam and Dean “lack privilege on multiple levels” perpetuates the continuous erasure of the POC reality, as well as intersectional BI+POC realities (being PoC, queer, and disabled, etc). What’s our reality? We actually lack privilege on multiple levels because of the colour of our skin. Your claim could imply that white privilege isn’t a thing, but it is. Think of white privilege as the air we breathe: it’s there, and we’re surrounded by it, and we breathe it in, yet because air is mostly invisible, some people aren’t always aware of it until you tell ‘em “Hey dude, did you know you’re inhaling oxygen?” The answer would be: “Obviously. Idk why you’re pointing that out - I already know that. You saying I’m dumb?” (lol not too far off from white defensiveness, right?) White people are so used to their privilege that they feel weird, ‘uncomfortable’ and ‘unsafe’ once people of colour point out their privilege. They subconsciously (and consciously) refuse to lose their place at the top. They’ll be offended.

To address your message, specifically — Sam and Dean hold white privilege as white men despite being poor. This is an uncomfortable fact that white SPN audiences must acknowledge.

If translated into real life, Sam and Dean will walk inside a bar and not be suspected of crime at first glance. They won’t look suspicious. They won’t get physically assaulted, shot at, killed, and/or lynched, both by police and fellow white men. They can speak, eat, and behave however they please without getting kicked out. They’ll chase after people they wanna bang or make inappropriate moves without being accused of sexual harrassment; BI+POC are typically falsely accused. (*Bonus Salt incoming* Sam and Dean won’t die permanently on their own show. The BI+PoC allies they have are often killed off to forward their plot and channel white manpain, then embody racist narrative tropes. As an Asian, Kevin Tran’s Stereotypical-Asian presence upset me, and his death further hurt my sensibilities. It did not shock me at all to see yet another Asian character killed off. Again, I must mention the horrible Asian-fetishist-exotificating Busty Asian Beauties, as well. Heck, S8 episode title “What’s Up Tiger Mommy?” was blatantly racist that I can’t believe no one demanded they change the episode premise + Kevin and Linda Tran’s characterizations. JUST KIDDING, of course I know why no one emphasized the issue - there are barely any BI+PoC in the writer’s room. This is why hiring us must become important).

Unfortunately - and unlike your opinion - Supernatural is not “unique” for us BI+PoC fans. It’s a show manned by predominantly white cast/crew that centralizes two white men and their respective narrow realities. We don’t live in a bubble. We’re everywhere. Depict us properly, with cultural/racial sensitivity, in entertainment, media, art forms, and more. Acknowledge our lack of privilege on multiple levels.

We live within a society set up for people of colour to fail. Whiteness is the default, and the privilege intrinsically linked to that ensconces an entire array of political, social, cultural and economic structures advantaging white people while disadvantaging People of Colour.

@funnywings ^^^ Exactly this.

Indeed weird that they “borrow” non-white ethnic supernatural mythology/folklore/cultural elements without recruiting BI+PoC cast who can appropriately portray these racial narratives. Supernatural’s Americana foundations are entirely devoid of proper BI+PoC influence (when America has been historically built on white supremacist colonization: the extermination of Indigenous people, the devalued and racially exploited social status of Asian immigrants, the enslavement of Black people via capitalization of Black + Indigenous/PoC human slave labour, you name it - know your history), and any attempts to incorporate BI+PoC narratives/characters have been so poor :/ It’s getting better, but they still face a WAYS to go, and the last season hasn’t done anything truly racially groundbreaking except for elevating Billie and her importance/dominance over current affairs as well as giving Kaia back (she’s finally living with Jody and the girls in happiness, but will we see her again? Unless there’s a final gathering of all characters for the series finale, we most likely won’t receive any sufficient updates, and she won’t get sufficient screentime).

But I must speak up when other white folx want to tell POC how to feel or how to interpret media (movies, shows) where they are often underrepresented or mocked and incorrectly represented. So my fellow poor white person, it’s time to listen.

SPN is a lot of things but it is not explicitly about the poor white Midwestern male experience. I’m poor and white myself so I get why you’d think that and I’ve probably said similar in my own ignorance. But what SPN does is cast white men heroes over BIPOC lives—be them portrayed as villains or victims, often killed or left worse for wear. They borrow a vast majority of the lore from other cultures and often poke fun at and/or fit it into an all-white/mostly-white narrative.

If you don’t see what is wrong with that then you must open your ears and your heart to listen and learn. Take this opportunity to read through the @fandomcolourofmyskin blog and listen to the voices of the oppressed who are telling you what hurts and where so that you can do better.

At the same time, it’s not the job of BIPOC to dismantle the patriarchy. We (white people) are the ones benefiting from a system that keeps them down and drowning in order to keep us up and floating. We have to get off of their backs and let them break the surface to breathe, too.

Now I think a lot of the issue that white folks are having right now is thinking that everyone is just hating on white people or dismissing “the poor white experience” but to that I say you’re STILL missing the point. Even at our poorest, white people still have more going for them than against them. Let that sink in. Even at your worst, you still have it better than a BIPOC. The system will put you first in line over a black or brown life.

I’m a biracial/mixed woman. I am privileged in that I am, largely, white-passing. I will never experience systemic racism and social justices quite so keenly as BIPOC who are not light-skinned like I am. I speak from a place of this privilege, and though I am not at the same level as white peers, I will never have it so bad even at my worst point as darker and obviously non-white people will. 

I love Supernatural. I have been a fan for years, I’ve seen every episode, watched the conventions. Despite this, I also know it’s problematic. There is a very obvious white male narrative that persists throughout the entire show and storyline, and if you analyze the treatment and way BIPOC characters are portrayed, it is undeniable that they are victims of racial stereotyping and prejudices. As mentioned above, the only notable BIPOC characters that weren’t killed, left to suffer, or villainized  are Billie and Kaia, but they barely have screentime. You, and even me, as people who experience the luxuries afforded us by white and light-skinned privilege have a responsibility to advocate for our favourite shows to be better, to do better. 

Just because something is comparably good does not mean it is good enough. We cannot be complacent in fighting for equality, especially in the way media portrays BIPOC.

Supernatural may be my favourite show, but I will not hide my disappointment with the way BIPOC and people who look like me and come from ethnic backgrounds have been treated.

Welcome! This is the first video of my series where I talk about television shows, starting with SUPERNATURAL.

I discuss the first 3 seasons of Supernatural. My likes, dislikes, and the mention some of the issues I have with how Supernatural treats black people (specifically Gordon Walker).

Hi nonnie,

I have a lot of things to say in response to your message — which does display ignorance of societal organization across systemic racial lines — but without creating a huge extensive post, here are some crucial points to consider:

- The “poor Midwestern white male experience” does NOT discount the insulated bubble of white privilege that Sam and Dean Winchester occupy, and neither is Supernatural immune from racist narratives and/or racist character implementation (especially ‘cause SPN has predominantly white production crew/writers around the table. Again, any literary narrative or script they conceive can and most likely will be influenced by internalized unconscious white dominance —> white-painted narratives perceived by POC viewers. I mean, scour this blog/google ‘Supernatural and racism’ and you’ll get the picture.)

- Additionally, stating that the show is “explicitly about” the poor Midwestern white male experience is false. Yes, you’re a poor white person from a similar area, and so you believe that, as a white person, the show’s premise reflects your experience. However, your statement doesn’t represent reality. The racial blind spot here is: media consumption by (realities of) white people will not equate to media consumption by (realities of) POC.

As I said here, we cannot talk about other systemic forces like socioeconomic class without addressing race. Race is inherently interweaved into other structural dimensions. It’s why BIPOC (Black Indigenous POC) + POC are: statistically paid less than white employees, unequally treated in terms of job capability, encounter unconscious bias across the hiring market, struggle to find jobs, unable to afford three-story suburban houses, and can never seem to find favour no matter how hard we work.

Reni Eddo-Lodge reiterates what white privilege is. When we say ‘white privilege’, we aren’t referring to white people always having it easy, or living in the lap of material wealth (but economic race disparities are instrinsically linked to material wealth), or lacking suffering, or living in poverty.

White privilege: the unearned set of societal benefits, advantages, and positive attitudes/behaviours bestowed upon white people solely because they are white (because of the pale/white colour of their skin). Claiming that Sam and Dean “lack privilege on multiple levels” perpetuates the continuous erasure of the POC reality, as well as intersectional BI+POC realities (being PoC, queer, and disabled, etc). What’s our reality? We actually lack privilege on multiple levels because of the colour of our skin. Your claim could imply that white privilege isn’t a thing, but it is. Think of white privilege as the air we breathe: it’s there, and we’re surrounded by it, and we breathe it in, yet because air is mostly invisible, some people aren’t always aware of it until you tell ‘em “Hey dude, did you know you’re inhaling oxygen?” The answer would be: “Obviously. Idk why you’re pointing that out - I already know that. You saying I’m dumb?” (lol not too far off from white defensiveness, right?) White people are so used to their privilege that they feel weird, ‘uncomfortable’ and ‘unsafe’ once people of colour point out their privilege. They subconsciously (and consciously) refuse to lose their place at the top. They’ll be offended.

To address your message, specifically — Sam and Dean hold white privilege as white men despite being poor. This is an uncomfortable fact that white SPN audiences must acknowledge.

If translated into real life, Sam and Dean will walk inside a bar and not be suspected of crime at first glance. They won’t look suspicious. They won’t get physically assaulted, shot at, killed, and/or lynched, both by police and fellow white men. They can speak, eat, and behave however they please without getting kicked out. They’ll chase after people they wanna bang or make inappropriate moves without being accused of sexual harrassment; BI+POC are typically falsely accused. (*Bonus Salt incoming* Sam and Dean won’t die permanently on their own show. The BI+PoC allies they have are often killed off to forward their plot and channel white manpain, then embody racist narrative tropes. As an Asian, Kevin Tran’s Stereotypical-Asian presence upset me, and his death further hurt my sensibilities. It did not shock me at all to see yet another Asian character killed off. Again, I must mention the horrible Asian-fetishist-exotificating Busty Asian Beauties, as well. Heck, S8 episode title “What’s Up Tiger Mommy?” was blatantly racist that I can’t believe no one demanded they change the episode premise + Kevin and Linda Tran’s characterizations. JUST KIDDING, of course I know why no one emphasized the issue - there are barely any BI+PoC in the writer’s room. This is why hiring us must become important).

Unfortunately - and unlike your opinion - Supernatural is not “unique” for us BI+PoC fans. It’s a show manned by predominantly white cast/crew that centralizes two white men and their respective narrow realities. We don’t live in a bubble. We’re everywhere. Depict us properly, with cultural/racial sensitivity, in entertainment, media, art forms, and more. Acknowledge our lack of privilege on multiple levels.

We live within a society set up for people of colour to fail. Whiteness is the default, and the privilege intrinsically linked to that ensconces an entire array of political, social, cultural and economic structures advantaging white people while disadvantaging People of Colour.

@funnywings ^^^ Exactly this.

Indeed weird that they “borrow” non-white ethnic supernatural mythology/folklore/cultural elements without recruiting BI+PoC cast who can appropriately portray these racial narratives. Supernatural’s Americana foundations are entirely devoid of proper BI+PoC influence (when America has been historically built on white supremacist colonization: the extermination of Indigenous people, the devalued and racially exploited social status of Asian immigrants, the enslavement of Black people via capitalization of Black + Indigenous/PoC human slave labour, you name it - know your history), and any attempts to incorporate BI+PoC narratives/characters have been so poor :/ It’s getting better, but they still face a WAYS to go, and the last season hasn’t done anything truly racially groundbreaking except for elevating Billie and her importance/dominance over current affairs as well as giving Kaia back (she’s finally living with Jody and the girls in happiness, but will we see her again? Unless there’s a final gathering of all characters for the series finale, we most likely won’t receive any sufficient updates, and she won’t get sufficient screentime).

But I must speak up when other white folx want to tell POC how to feel or how to interpret media (movies, shows) where they are often underrepresented or mocked and incorrectly represented. So my fellow poor white person, it’s time to listen.

SPN is a lot of things but it is not explicitly about the poor white Midwestern male experience. I’m poor and white myself so I get why you’d think that and I’ve probably said similar in my own ignorance. But what SPN does is cast white men heroes over BIPOC lives—be them portrayed as villains or victims, often killed or left worse for wear. They borrow a vast majority of the lore from other cultures and often poke fun at and/or fit it into an all-white/mostly-white narrative.

If you don’t see what is wrong with that then you must open your ears and your heart to listen and learn. Take this opportunity to read through the @fandomcolourofmyskin blog and listen to the voices of the oppressed who are telling you what hurts and where so that you can do better.

At the same time, it’s not the job of BIPOC to dismantle the patriarchy. We (white people) are the ones benefiting from a system that keeps them down and drowning in order to keep us up and floating. We have to get off of their backs and let them break the surface to breathe, too.

Now I think a lot of the issue that white folks are having right now is thinking that everyone is just hating on white people or dismissing “the poor white experience” but to that I say you’re STILL missing the point. Even at our poorest, white people still have more going for them than against them. Let that sink in. Even at your worst, you still have it better than a BIPOC. The system will put you first in line over a black or brown life.

Hi nonnie,

I have a lot of things to say in response to your message — which does display ignorance of societal organization across systemic racial lines — but without creating a huge extensive post, here are some crucial points to consider:

- The “poor Midwestern white male experience” does NOT discount the insulated bubble of white privilege that Sam and Dean Winchester occupy, and neither is Supernatural immune from racist narratives and/or racist character implementation (especially ‘cause SPN has predominantly white production crew/writers around the table. Again, any literary narrative or script they conceive can and most likely will be influenced by internalized unconscious white dominance —> white-painted narratives perceived by POC viewers. I mean, scour this blog/google ‘Supernatural and racism’ and you’ll get the picture.)

- Additionally, stating that the show is “explicitly about” the poor Midwestern white male experience is false. Yes, you’re a poor white person from a similar area, and so you believe that, as a white person, the show’s premise reflects your experience. However, your statement doesn’t represent reality. The racial blind spot here is: media consumption by (realities of) white people will not equate to media consumption by (realities of) POC.

As I said here, we cannot talk about other systemic forces like socioeconomic class without addressing race. Race is inherently interweaved into other structural dimensions. It’s why BIPOC (Black Indigenous POC) + POC are: statistically paid less than white employees, unequally treated in terms of job capability, encounter unconscious bias across the hiring market, struggle to find jobs, unable to afford three-story suburban houses, and can never seem to find favour no matter how hard we work.

Reni Eddo-Lodge reiterates what white privilege is. When we say ‘white privilege’, we aren’t referring to white people always having it easy, or living in the lap of material wealth (but economic race disparities are instrinsically linked to material wealth), or lacking suffering, or living in poverty.

White privilege: the unearned set of societal benefits, advantages, and positive attitudes/behaviours bestowed upon white people solely because they are white (because of the pale/white colour of their skin). Claiming that Sam and Dean “lack privilege on multiple levels” perpetuates the continuous erasure of the POC reality, as well as intersectional BI+POC realities (being PoC, queer, and disabled, etc). What’s our reality? We actually lack privilege on multiple levels because of the colour of our skin. Your claim could imply that white privilege isn’t a thing, but it is. Think of white privilege as the air we breathe: it’s there, and we’re surrounded by it, and we breathe it in, yet because air is mostly invisible, some people aren’t always aware of it until you tell ‘em “Hey dude, did you know you’re inhaling oxygen?” The answer would be: “Obviously. Idk why you’re pointing that out - I already know that. You saying I’m dumb?” (lol not too far off from white defensiveness, right?) White people are so used to their privilege that they feel weird, ‘uncomfortable’ and ‘unsafe’ once people of colour point out their privilege. They subconsciously (and consciously) refuse to lose their place at the top. They’ll be offended.

To address your message, specifically — Sam and Dean hold white privilege as white men despite being poor. This is an uncomfortable fact that white SPN audiences must acknowledge.

If translated into real life, Sam and Dean will walk inside a bar and not be suspected of crime at first glance. They won’t look suspicious. They won’t get physically assaulted, shot at, killed, and/or lynched, both by police and fellow white men. They can speak, eat, and behave however they please without getting kicked out. They’ll chase after people they wanna bang or make inappropriate moves without being accused of sexual harrassment; BI+POC are typically falsely accused. (*Bonus Salt incoming* Sam and Dean won’t die permanently on their own show. The BI+PoC allies they have are often killed off to forward their plot and channel white manpain, then embody racist narrative tropes. As an Asian, Kevin Tran’s Stereotypical-Asian presence upset me, and his death further hurt my sensibilities. It did not shock me at all to see yet another Asian character killed off. Again, I must mention the horrible Asian-fetishist-exotificating Busty Asian Beauties, as well. Heck, S8 episode title “What’s Up Tiger Mommy?” was blatantly racist that I can’t believe no one demanded they change the episode premise + Kevin and Linda Tran’s characterizations. JUST KIDDING, of course I know why no one emphasized the issue - there are barely any BI+PoC in the writer’s room. This is why hiring us must become important).

Unfortunately - and unlike your opinion - Supernatural is not “unique” for us BI+PoC fans. It’s a show manned by predominantly white cast/crew that centralizes two white men and their respective narrow realities. We don’t live in a bubble. We’re everywhere. Depict us properly, with cultural/racial sensitivity, in entertainment, media, art forms, and more. Acknowledge our lack of privilege on multiple levels.

We live within a society set up for people of colour to fail. Whiteness is the default, and the privilege intrinsically linked to that ensconces an entire array of political, social, cultural and economic structures advantaging white people while disadvantaging People of Colour.

@funnywings ^^^ Exactly this.

Indeed weird that they “borrow” non-white ethnic supernatural mythology/folklore/cultural elements without recruiting BI+PoC cast who can appropriately portray these racial narratives. Supernatural’s Americana foundations are entirely devoid of proper BI+PoC influence (when America has been historically built on white supremacist colonization: the extermination of Indigenous people, the devalued and racially exploited social status of Asian immigrants, the enslavement of Black people via capitalization of Black + Indigenous/PoC human slave labour, you name it - know your history), and any attempts to incorporate BI+PoC narratives/characters have been so poor :/ It’s getting better, but they still face a WAYS to go, and the last season hasn’t done anything truly racially groundbreaking except for elevating Billie and her importance/dominance over current affairs as well as giving Kaia back (she’s finally living with Jody and the girls in happiness, but will we see her again? Unless there’s a final gathering of all characters for the series finale, we most likely won’t receive any sufficient updates, and she won’t get sufficient screentime).

@cloverhighfive ^^ They did, and I believe there was lively discourse going on about that here on tumblr/twitter at the time. Sadly, Jensen then quipped at a convention (paraphrasing - please feel free to link me to footage again) that he wanted to get the pronunciation right*? and/or not use explicit Qu’ran passages*? or else ‘ISIS might come after him’…

Hi nonnie,

I have a lot of things to say in response to your message — which does display ignorance of societal organization across systemic racial lines — but without creating a huge extensive post, here are some crucial points to consider:

- The “poor Midwestern white male experience” does NOT discount the insulated bubble of white privilege that Sam and Dean Winchester occupy, and neither is Supernatural immune from racist narratives and/or racist character implementation (especially ‘cause SPN has predominantly white production crew/writers around the table. Again, any literary narrative or script they conceive can and most likely will be influenced by internalized unconscious white dominance —> white-painted narratives perceived by POC viewers. I mean, scour this blog/google ‘Supernatural and racism’ and you’ll get the picture.)

- Additionally, stating that the show is “explicitly about” the poor Midwestern white male experience is false. Yes, you’re a poor white person from a similar area, and so you believe that, as a white person, the show’s premise reflects your experience. However, your statement doesn’t represent reality. The racial blind spot here is: media consumption by (realities of) white people will not equate to media consumption by (realities of) POC.

As I said here, we cannot talk about other systemic forces like socioeconomic class without addressing race. Race is inherently interweaved into other structural dimensions. It’s why BIPOC (Black Indigenous POC) + POC are: statistically paid less than white employees, unequally treated in terms of job capability, encounter unconscious bias across the hiring market, struggle to find jobs, unable to afford three-story suburban houses, and can never seem to find favour no matter how hard we work.

Reni Eddo-Lodge reiterates what white privilege is. When we say ‘white privilege’, we aren’t referring to white people always having it easy, or living in the lap of material wealth (but economic race disparities are instrinsically linked to material wealth), or lacking suffering, or living in poverty.

White privilege: the unearned set of societal benefits, advantages, and positive attitudes/behaviours bestowed upon white people solely because they are white (because of the pale/white colour of their skin). Claiming that Sam and Dean “lack privilege on multiple levels” perpetuates the continuous erasure of the POC reality, as well as intersectional BI+POC realities (being PoC, queer, and disabled, etc). What’s our reality? We actually lack privilege on multiple levels because of the colour of our skin. Your claim could imply that white privilege isn’t a thing, but it is. Think of white privilege as the air we breathe: it’s there, and we’re surrounded by it, and we breathe it in, yet because air is mostly invisible, some people aren’t always aware of it until you tell ‘em “Hey dude, did you know you’re inhaling oxygen?” The answer would be: “Obviously. Idk why you’re pointing that out - I already know that. You saying I’m dumb?” (lol not too far off from white defensiveness, right?) White people are so used to their privilege that they feel weird, ‘uncomfortable’ and ‘unsafe’ once people of colour point out their privilege. They subconsciously (and consciously) refuse to lose their place at the top. They’ll be offended.

To address your message, specifically — Sam and Dean hold white privilege as white men despite being poor. This is an uncomfortable fact that white SPN audiences must acknowledge.

If translated into real life, Sam and Dean will walk inside a bar and not be suspected of crime at first glance. They won’t look suspicious. They won’t get physically assaulted, shot at, killed, and/or lynched, both by police and fellow white men. They can speak, eat, and behave however they please without getting kicked out. They’ll chase after people they wanna bang or make inappropriate moves without being accused of sexual harrassment; BI+POC are typically falsely accused. (*Bonus Salt incoming* Sam and Dean won’t die permanently on their own show. The BI+PoC allies they have are often killed off to forward their plot and channel white manpain, then embody racist narrative tropes. As an Asian, Kevin Tran’s Stereotypical-Asian presence upset me, and his death further hurt my sensibilities. It did not shock me at all to see yet another Asian character killed off. Again, I must mention the horrible Asian-fetishist-exotificating Busty Asian Beauties, as well. Heck, S8 episode title “What’s Up Tiger Mommy?” was blatantly racist that I can’t believe no one demanded they change the episode premise + Kevin and Linda Tran’s characterizations. JUST KIDDING, of course I know why no one emphasized the issue - there are barely any BI+PoC in the writer’s room. This is why hiring us must become important).

Unfortunately - and unlike your opinion - Supernatural is not “unique” for us BI+PoC fans. It’s a show manned by predominantly white cast/crew that centralizes two white men and their respective narrow realities. We don’t live in a bubble. We’re everywhere. Depict us properly, with cultural/racial sensitivity, in entertainment, media, art forms, and more. Acknowledge our lack of privilege on multiple levels.

We live within a society set up for people of colour to fail. Whiteness is the default, and the privilege intrinsically linked to that ensconces an entire array of political, social, cultural and economic structures advantaging white people while disadvantaging People of Colour.

@funnywings ^^^ Exactly this.

Indeed weird that they “borrow” non-white ethnic supernatural mythology/folklore/cultural elements without recruiting BI+PoC cast who can appropriately portray these racial narratives. Supernatural’s Americana foundations are entirely devoid of proper BI+PoC influence (when America has been historically built on white supremacist colonization: the extermination of Indigenous people, the devalued and racially exploited social status of Asian immigrants, the enslavement of Black people via capitalization of Black + Indigenous/PoC human slave labour, you name it - know your history), and any attempts to incorporate BI+PoC narratives/characters have been so poor :/ It’s getting better, but they still face a WAYS to go, and the last season hasn’t done anything truly racially groundbreaking except for elevating Billie and her importance/dominance over current affairs as well as giving Kaia back (she’s finally living with Jody and the girls in happiness, but will we see her again? Unless there’s a final gathering of all characters for the series finale, we most likely won’t receive any sufficient updates, and she won’t get sufficient screentime).