Lady Luck

happy pride to the founding fathers. I hope they know it’s legal now

sakura haruno and two bums

i do just have to say though.................... i feel like people who really really loved the movie's portrayals of the characters are adding aspects of the show characters onto them? you know what i mean? like i see people say that adrien and marinette were more likeable in the movie than the show, when movie adrien didn't perform a single act of kindness in the entire 2 hours despite kindness being a core trait of adrien in the show? marinette was normal and not particularly weird at all and just kind of a generic protagonist? were adrien and marinette actually more interesting in the movie than the show, or are you just cherrypicking the aspects of them you like the from the show and putting them on the movie characters to make your favorite amalgamation?

the "argos is part of the superhero team" thing is soooo funny, because it is so ridiculous and he looks so out of place and I'm sure it's super awkward for everyone involved and very difficult to explain. But it DOES make sense. And I totally believe it. It's just a really funny and awkward situation.

"gabriel got redeemed" no he did NOT that is not what a redemption looks like stop calling it that. he made one not-completely-shitty-choice that's not a redemption, that's the last shred of humanity he possessed okay thank you

I'll say it again, the only thing Gabriel "won" was that he got to choose HOW he died. He did not get to make the wish he intended to make, and he outright refused redemption when it was offered to him.

I mean I don't disagree with you, he absolutely didn't get redeemed. But I do feel like the show is trying to make it seem like he did kind of get redeemed? Like even just ignoring the stuff about him being a "hero" (because obviously that doesn't count), I feel like the show wants us to view him as less of a shitty person, just because he made that one decent choice

im sorry but I genuinely do not agree with that stance at all. gabriel has always been a character the show garners sympathy for, but it doesn’t want the audience to see him as a guy who is good at his core. even in his final moments, he was manipulating marinette. she gave him an out. she gave him a chance to ACTUALLY redeem himself, to work together with her and fix everything. but he backstabbed her immediately. and then he made his wish, letting himself die to be with Emilie. because he always loved her more than he loved his son. Yes, his death allowed nathalie to recover from her illness, but he did not do it for her, or even for adrien. he did it to be with his wife, because he could no longer stand living without her, and because he finally opened his eyes to the truth that she didn’t want to come back. it was purely selfish.

Thats fair! Like I said, I definitely don't think they're trying to say that he's suddenly a super good person(like you said, he literally manipulates marinette right before dying). I just feel like they're more sympathetic to him than they should be

and this makes me realise that adrien, even while owning his amok, free of gabriel's orders and expectations, is still living in a world of his father's creation, one where he's a hero, one where he's the ideal to live up to, one where he's absolved of his crimes, with a mother of his father's vision and obsession and since tomoe is still alive, a very high chance of his schemes living on as eco-friendly capitalism. like, he's still not free. he's still not fucking free. his father's shadow still hangs over him with all this happiness around him. this is even worse than the fanon trope of him being ostracised or pitied by paris because gabriel has been outed as a supervillain. what's worse than being branded as a supervillain's son is his abuser being branded as a hero and that everything that he went through because of him to be erased like it never fucking happened.