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That wasn't the case at all.

Yes absolute batman is a very good book but when it was first announced and we got a first look at Bats it faced alot of scrutiny from people hating how big he was to people outraging over how the bat symbol didn't look like a bat. And yes there were even people shitting on nick dragottas art and panels from the comic some complained about how the faces were drawn some complained about how bruces proportions were done and when they revealed that the Bat logo was an axe and they revealed the designs for his villains and how brutal this bruce was there was still a large number of fans who hated it and call it edgey hell the book has been going on for 2 almost 2 years atp and there are still people who for one reason or another still hate the book.

And like i said absolute batman is a very well written book and it doing well is a direct result of that(as well as it being batman) but even with all the people who hate it the reason there's a large number of people who love it is cuz of trust in the people behind it. Like i remember alot of people not liking the direction even though the first issue did so well.

What does this have to do with Dynamite Ben10 you may ask well there are people who specifically compare dynamite ben10 with absolute batman as a way to put down the book but like dynamite ben10 isn't facing anything that regular big 2 books haven't.

The difference being that there is a level of trust that Batman fans have in scott snyder that Ben10 fans seemingly don't have in Man of Action which on Scott snyders part i understand because he has written alot of good batman stories but as far as man of action goes its beginning to feel like because Ben10 was a collaborative effort with lots of creatives Ben10 fans think that man of action aren't at all important to ben10 being what it is which is very disheartening.

Cuz it's very rare that a franchise thats over 20 years old can return with the original creators at the helm and almost equally as rare that said creators have the same passion for the franchise 20 years later that they did when it was originally created and yet we have both with Dynamite Ben10 with them also promising to honor what came before and Ben10 fans can't even appreciate that because they can't accept change?

Like batman fans are ok with a dude who (while very influential to batman) is still a relative new comer to writing batman essentially creating his own universe and mythology for the caped crusader but Ben10 fans don't trust the dudes who created Ben10 and helped write the best iteration of the franchise to do something new? It's crazy to me.

Saying this comic isn't "ben 10" is like saying the rise of the tmnt isn't "tmnt" because of how different they both look (writing and design wise) and thats just not true at all. And its ironic to hear that because the *literal* creators are writing this comic lmao. It's literally as ben 10 as you can get with ts.

Like yeah we shouldn't just accept everything MOA does cuz well noone is above criticism.

But then also the og creators coming back to write a long form ben10 story, to write what works and what doesn't. Cuz like yeah we know Max is gonna be a plumber so why waste time over multiple issues drip teasing what we already know is true, it's like ben getting the omnitrix we know its supposed to happen do why beat around the bush. Like thats why it's a reimagining and not an adaptation.

Like I saw someone say that "MOA is learning the wrong things from the absolute universe and the fans"

And it's wild because people genuinely think that this book was a result of MOA seeing the absolute universe and going "lets do that with ben10" when this book was announced months before the absolute line started.

Or that somehow MOa needs to take cues from the fans who routinely downplay the series that they were involved in for the series that they had next to no involvement in.

It's so funny cuz everytime someone says "this is not ben10" it makes you think about what it is they consider to be ben10 in their mind cuz all the sequel series are all different enough from classic to also warrant "not being ben10" but that never seemed like an issue.

Like ben10 is a boy with a watch that turns him into 10 aliens doing heroics and fighting bad guys.

Yeah the beginning is starting off a bit..slow but if you ask me i dont think ANYONE should expect some crazy plotline off the jump from this comic. I mean its literally his origin story, nothing crazy (and by crazy i mean planetary or city level crazy) has happened yet. Even from the first episode of classic nothing too crazy has happened at that point.

They think it means that he's saying fuck the past iterations this is the only one that matters when what he means is that CN has meddled in the franchise for a long time and this is man of action finally getting to do what they want with ben10 and any subsequent series or movies that MOA helm will be pulling from the book as inspiration but at the end of the day Warner bros and CN controls ben10 and they still have free reign to make whatever shows they want with or without MOA involvement.

The funny thing about people complaining about the lack of school scenes or the spaceship battle is that..these are the same people who are like "the first issue is so similar to the cartoon, why would I read it instead of just watching the cartoon."

They're upset that the comic had a slow start but think they'll enjoy it more if issue 1 was even way more setup???

Or how vilgax supposedly has a relationship with Max but we don't get any mention of it before secrets.

That wasn't the case at all.

Yes absolute batman is a very good book but when it was first announced and we got a first look at Bats it faced alot of scrutiny from people hating how big he was to people outraging over how the bat symbol didn't look like a bat. And yes there were even people shitting on nick dragottas art and panels from the comic some complained about how the faces were drawn some complained about how bruces proportions were done and when they revealed that the Bat logo was an axe and they revealed the designs for his villains and how brutal this bruce was there was still a large number of fans who hated it and call it edgey hell the book has been going on for 2 almost 2 years atp and there are still people who for one reason or another still hate the book.

And like i said absolute batman is a very well written book and it doing well is a direct result of that(as well as it being batman) but even with all the people who hate it the reason there's a large number of people who love it is cuz of trust in the people behind it. Like i remember alot of people not liking the direction even though the first issue did so well.

What does this have to do with Dynamite Ben10 you may ask well there are people who specifically compare dynamite ben10 with absolute batman as a way to put down the book but like dynamite ben10 isn't facing anything that regular big 2 books haven't.

The difference being that there is a level of trust that Batman fans have in scott snyder that Ben10 fans seemingly don't have in Man of Action which on Scott snyders part i understand because he has written alot of good batman stories but as far as man of action goes its beginning to feel like because Ben10 was a collaborative effort with lots of creatives Ben10 fans think that man of action aren't at all important to ben10 being what it is which is very disheartening.

Cuz it's very rare that a franchise thats over 20 years old can return with the original creators at the helm and almost equally as rare that said creators have the same passion for the franchise 20 years later that they did when it was originally created and yet we have both with Dynamite Ben10 with them also promising to honor what came before and Ben10 fans can't even appreciate that because they can't accept change?

Like batman fans are ok with a dude who (while very influential to batman) is still a relative new comer to writing batman essentially creating his own universe and mythology for the caped crusader but Ben10 fans don't trust the dudes who created Ben10 and helped write the best iteration of the franchise to do something new? It's crazy to me.

Saying this comic isn't "ben 10" is like saying the rise of the tmnt isn't "tmnt" because of how different they both look (writing and design wise) and thats just not true at all. And its ironic to hear that because the *literal* creators are writing this comic lmao. It's literally as ben 10 as you can get with ts.

Like yeah we shouldn't just accept everything MOA does cuz well noone is above criticism.

But then also the og creators coming back to write a long form ben10 story, to write what works and what doesn't. Cuz like yeah we know Max is gonna be a plumber so why waste time over multiple issues drip teasing what we already know is true, it's like ben getting the omnitrix we know its supposed to happen do why beat around the bush. Like thats why it's a reimagining and not an adaptation.

Like I saw someone say that "MOA is learning the wrong things from the absolute universe and the fans"

And it's wild because people genuinely think that this book was a result of MOA seeing the absolute universe and going "lets do that with ben10" when this book was announced months before the absolute line started.

Or that somehow MOa needs to take cues from the fans who routinely downplay the series that they were involved in for the series that they had next to no involvement in.

It's so funny cuz everytime someone says "this is not ben10" it makes you think about what it is they consider to be ben10 in their mind cuz all the sequel series are all different enough from classic to also warrant "not being ben10" but that never seemed like an issue.

Like ben10 is a boy with a watch that turns him into 10 aliens doing heroics and fighting bad guys.

Yeah the beginning is starting off a bit..slow but if you ask me i dont think ANYONE should expect some crazy plotline off the jump from this comic. I mean its literally his origin story, nothing crazy (and by crazy i mean planetary or city level crazy) has happened yet. Even from the first episode of classic nothing too crazy has happened at that point.

They think it means that he's saying fuck the past iterations this is the only one that matters when what he means is that CN has meddled in the franchise for a long time and this is man of action finally getting to do what they want with ben10 and any subsequent series or movies that MOA helm will be pulling from the book as inspiration but at the end of the day Warner bros and CN controls ben10 and they still have free reign to make whatever shows they want with or without MOA involvement.

The funny thing about people complaining about the lack of school scenes or the spaceship battle is that..these are the same people who are like "the first issue is so similar to the cartoon, why would I read it instead of just watching the cartoon."

They're upset that the comic had a slow start but think they'll enjoy it more if issue 1 was even way more setup???

Randor:

Randor: How did you get into my house???

Skeletor: Answer the question, you nincompoop

Randor: Even if I had ever heard of such technology-

Skeletor: Your wife is an alien and both your brother and your kingdom's protector are beings of incredible magic power, I don't think the idea sounds like that far of a reach-

Randor: Even if I heard of such a thing I wouldn't tell you!

Marlena: What, ran out of evil schemes and decided to jump the shark with TIME TRAVEL? At least your other world conquering projects used to be interesting!

Skeletor: Nah I just wanna have a word in that movie Earth just made of us and get rid of the dude that plays me

Randor: You know, some people at least try to be suttle when going meta

Skeletor: Randor I want you to remember who you're talking to and THEN try to tell me again how I should be subtle

Marlena: Fucking theater kid

Skeletor: I heard that!

Randor: Firstly your mockery at the idea of being subtle makes no sense AFTER sneaking into my house and into our room without alerting the guards

Randor: Second of all, what would you even do and why?

Marlena: Remember how I told you about that Jared Leto guy?

Randor: That settles the why... Are you gonna...?

Skeletor: Don't assume I'm gonna kill anyone! I'll just release Panthor in some office and wait for them to get the message and cast me instead

Randor:

Randor: You have to know how stupid that sounds

Skeletor: Brother if I have learned anything from Hollywood it's that they'll forgive people for the most horrendous and can allow themselves to give an opportunity to someone like me despite the tragedy of being born a queer victim of fantasy racism.

Randor: YOU'VE MURDERED PEOPLE!

Marlena: Honey I hate to agree with your brother but that doesn't disprove his point at all

Though I wish and idk how to properly explain it but alot of the times people look at the aliens as like...animals instead of people and I get why but I wish we had more instances of species who are visually very different from each other sharing the same species name. Like how homo sapians and homo neanderthalensis are both technically human why can't we have prime leopodapterans and reboot leopodapterans both share a planet and just be called leopodapterans.

Like here you have this teen ghost vigilante who's parents are his biggest enemies completely unaware that they're hunting their own son.

His rouges gallery all know his secret identity and are all these ethereal species from what is essentially a purgatory dimension some of which have actual canon deaths.

He's gone up against the king of ghosts, the spectral embodiment of nature, halloween,sleep and time his future self and so much more, it deals with depression, self loathing, insecurities etc.

And then in that same show with all these concepts there isn't a single overarching story arc(aside from the occasional 2 parter), they constantly undercut serious moments with shit like exploding hot sauce packets and then the show ends with one of the lamest endings ever while the creator 20 years later tries to convince you that the ghosts in the series were never ghosts thus undermining 90% of what makes the show so interesting to begin with while simultaneously mischaracterizing damn near every character in the show.

Like and again I love Danny Phantom...it's cuz I love it that I can talk shit about it but damn was it frustrating asf being a fan before the graphic novels dropped and actually decided to take the show serious.

Just wanted to get that out of the way.

I don't think I could do better than any of the writers who worked in the show but well that doesn't mean that I don't notice the shows short comings especially after watching it as many times as I have and seeing all the fun interpretations and fan works that came from it.

It's really about taking the material that is already there and building on it in the way that the cartoon didn't.

Like are ghosts dead people? If they are what causes a person to become a ghost? Do all people become ghosts and go to the ghost zone when they die?If not then what's the requirement for those who do?

Is the ghost zone just the afterlife? Or is it life part 2?

Like and these are all just based around the ideaa of being a ghost, thats what I mean when I say that it's an untapped well of ideas.

I mean granted its probably just gonna be the summer road trip plot again, but to be fair, most spidermans plots are usually (keyword: MOSTLY) around them still being in highschool if not just school in generalb(depending on the continuity that is). And even then they still find some ways to make it interesting. For others it could be tiresome or boring, but as long as they make it the stories interesting then i dont mind it.

I get it! Fans want the prime continuity back. They want it to continue and want that space roadtrip or want a ben 10k sequel out of it. But doing so would be (imo) a waste. Ben 10 being shackled by one continuity would be lame. It should spread out more in different continuities. We can literally get both a space roadtrip and/or a ben10k show in a whole 'nother reboot.

Like i said, it has a multiverse. Why have a multiverse and you just focus on one universe? Some may do it, but thats their choice in doing that. Plus, it depends on their approach on that kinda thing (like rick and morty for example).

Look, i understand. Folks grew up with the classic continuity. I get it. I did, too. But that doesnt mean that the prime timeline is forgotten (imo atleast). But people gotta understand that this is the direction they're going for. And if it was any way the franchise would thrive, it would be reboots.

But that doesn't make them any "less ben 10", quite the opposite, really. Every generation would have a version of ben 10 they would be proud of and they might say "hey i grew up with this ben 10" or "im more familiar with this ben 10" and thats something i would enjoy seeing more of.