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we don't talk enough about mei nianqing and what he was on when he strolled into xianle kingdom 800 years ago and proceeded to give himself a name that's honestly on the same level as hong hong'er/wuming naming himself hua cheng for xie lian.
buckle in for a quick lesson to comprehend the true extent of 2000+ years of yearning:
ć˘ ĺżľĺż (mei nianqing) is the alias that guoshi made up in order to become the xianle guoshi. the character for the last name, ć˘ (mei), means plum blossoms, and we will get back to it at the end.
ĺżľĺż (nianqing) is his chosen given name. the first character, ĺżľ (nian), means "to miss [someone/something], "to yearn/pine, or long for."
for both of those definitions, ĺżľ is most often used as ćłĺżľ and ćĺżľ
it's quite on the nose, but there aren't really any other interpretations for the first character. however, ĺż (qing) is where it gets super interesting. there are several common usages/meanings associated with the character ĺż.
the first is used as a well-known form of address by an emperor towards a close lord or advisorâçąĺż . for those of you who have a bit of background in chinese, you might recognize çą as the character for love, but i do have to caution it doesn't have hold romantic suggestion in the typical historical usage (ie. non danmei historical setting). çąĺż is really just a an affectionate way of referring to an emperor's subordinate that shows trust and closeness, like a very royally sophisticated "you're my bro" (in very, very layman term).
sometimes, in a variation, instead of çąĺż, the emperor will refer to the close subject as "_last name_ + ĺż". so for mei nianqing's example, if mei had really been his real last name, jun wu might have once referred to mei nianqing as ć˘ ĺż (mei qing).
on the other hand, the second usage is as an affectionate form of address between husband and wifeâĺżĺż. calling someone in an english equivalent would be something like "dear" or "honey". supposedly, there's a related usage of ĺż that can be used between very good friends, but i have to stress that it's really, typically overwhelmingly romantic in nature.
bonus: the chinese idiom ĺżĺżćć is used to describe very intimately affectionate behavior (PDA) between couples.
basically, the character ĺż is used as a way of referring to someone, with different usages referring to different types of "you". think of it like this: one is saying "hey, you [my trusted subordinate]". the other is "hey, you [my dear]".
so together, ĺżľĺż (nianqing) means "to miss [you]". the clever thing about this, though, is that depending on the usage, it could either refer to mei nianqing missing jun wu or the other way around.
the second usage of ĺż (qing) is used equivalently, in both directions, between lovers/"very good" friends. think about how you and your partner can both call each other "dear" or "honey". so the missing 'you' in ĺżľĺż could refer to either person in the relationship.
but for the first usage (çąĺż), it is only used by an emperor/prince towards someone lower, so the person being missed must be mei nianqing, since mei nianqing couldn't use çąĺż to refer to jun wu, who was royal. interestingly, this usage is more likely the intended one, in my opinion, because realistically mei nianqing and jun wu never confirmed that they acknowledged any feelings between them beyond prince-old friend/subordinate and mei nianqing seems lowkey in denial that he's been in a 2000+ year situationship with a ghost king.
"you're not like him [jun wu] in that sense, little highness" my đłď¸âđ ass, but i digress.
now why would mei nianqing name himself something that essentially means to miss himself? it sounds a bit egogistical to assume jun wu misses him? well, maybe, even after wandering for so long, it's not so much a statement, but a silly, foolish hope he still holds that jun wu misses his çąĺż, his old follower and friend.
or, coming back to his chosen last name, ć˘ (mei) means plum blossoms, and maybe it does represent jun wu in mei nianqing's heart. but ć˘ (mĂŠi) is also a homophone of the word 沥 (mĂŠi), which means "no," or "doesn't." they are homophones down to the same tone.
in which case, if you say his full name out loud together, ć˘ ĺżľĺż (mei nianqing) acutally reads '[i] don't miss you', so maybe guoshi's name was actually picked out of a self-deprecating scorn towards himself, because he knew he was never enough for his highness of wuyong, that he wasn't missed by his prince in the 2000+ years apart. so he chose a name that would remind himself of that everyday.
What are your thoughts on the ways in which Xie Lian's various parental figures' (ie Jun Wu, Mei Nian Qing, his actual parents) mentorship/conditioning have influenced his path in life? In what ways has he either adopted or consciously turned away from that conditioning? Maybe through the lens of BWX/MNQ/'JW' as id/ego/superego?
An ask about psychoanalytic theory *wipes tears* thanks, friend.
So if you would like a catch-up on the terms Iâll use, I talked about id/ego/superego in MDZS here. Iâm going to primarily use psychoanalytic analysis on Xie Lian (Jungian, Freudian, etc.)Â
The goal of psychoanalytic literary critique is to examine how the character comes into their own sense of self, called self-actualization. Which is definitely Xie Lianâs arcâafter spending 800 years trampled and gaslit and tormented, he finally comes to an assurance of who he is and whom he wants to be. What matters is him, not the state of him.Â
A typical relationship between a father and son (or father-figure and son-figure) in these kinds of stories is that the father figure is someone the protagonist must surpass and overcome to fully understand themselves: their father played a role in who they are, but is not fully who they are.Â
So letâs talk Xie Lian.Â
MXTX uses a lot of Freudian trios in her writing, and I think the one you identify is definitely one. Bai WuXiang is definitely the id, Mei NianQing the superego, and Jun Wu the ego who mediates between them. The problem is the âJun Wuâ is an illusion; he does not exist at all. He is a mask created through hardened armor, a mask for Bai WuXiang to wear. But that doesnât mean he isnât the egoâhe is, but he is to be replaced once the truth is revealed.
Which, imo, is actually perfectly emphasized by the fact that Xie Lian actually grows into the ego to mediate between them. I mean, the last battle takes place on a bridge, a fallen bridge between heaven and earth. The bridge symbolizes a lot of things, but among them is that Xie Lian is literally a bridge between Bai WuXiang/Jun Wu and Mei NianQing, or the ego mediating between the superego and id. On this bridge, Jun Wuâs armor is finally chipped off and he is left defeated and vulnerableâand it is in this state that Mei NianQing finally decides to learn from Hua Cheng and Xie Lian. What matters is you, and not the state of you. He stays with Jun Wu, the two of them meeting in the middle, in a sense.Â
Xie Lian followed Mei NianQingâs righteous path until his first ascension, and then he was tempted to become like Bai WuXiang because Bai WuXiang desperately wanted someone to be able to understand him. He wanted empathy; he wanted to not be alone anymore. But Xie Lian, in the end, rejects this path⌠with the help of Hua Cheng/Wu Ming.Â
I think Xie Lianâs initial rejection is pretty telling: he wants to do what MNQ would do. Go ahead and stab me.Â
Under the rain, Xie Lian was holding the sword up, and he said darkly, âAs long as you use this sword to pierce me, you wonât be affected by the human face disease.
But Hua Cheng shows Xie Lian another way, sacrificing himself for Xie Lian.Â
Xie Lian then continues along MNQâs path for 800 years, but as Hua Cheng will later remind us, this isnât entirely good either. Xie Lian has very low self-esteem and is just fine with being abused and suffering when he really should realize that suffering is not a virtue nor a shame: how one responds is what matters. Suffering should not be glorified, but neither should it be condemned.Â
However, Mei NianQing notably only lives to survive himself, as you said to me. Xie Lian takes on otherâs burdens as well. Itâs not that either is right or wrongâthere should be nuance, negotiation, empathy and compassion and helping others through their burdens, while also maintaining a healthy self-esteem. MNQâs motivation to survive did not come from self-esteem but rather from guilt over what Jun Wu had become (and from how he didnât help lift those burdens). In the end, Xie Lian (through Hua Cheng) learns to balance this, and Mei NianQing, too, takes his first steps towards overcoming his own past and the negative aspects of his way of life through choosing to stay with Jun Wu even after his defeat, choosing to take some of his old friendâs burdens at least.Â
The ego is the part of each of us that makes decisions, as emphasized by the fact that despite Bai WuXiangâs attempts to remove Xie Lianâs choices, he relies on his own choices in the end.
As for his actual parents⌠Xie Lian loves them, but he does not have a great relationship with his father. The king wants him to be what he is not, and his father is simply not a good ruler and canât bear that Xie Lian knows this. His father wants to be able to protect his son and wants to be everything his son wants him to be, but he cannot be (Xie Lian directly states this at one point). But they are more alike than they would think: Xie Lian, too, wants to save and protect (the common people, loved ones) but cannot do so. If the king is a bad king in the eyes of the one he wants to protect, Xie Lian is not much better a god in the eyes of the people he wants to protect as well.Â
His mother Xie Lian is closer with. His rejection of his parents towards the end is agonizing and emphasizes this protection dilemma: it comes just after Xie Lian has been traumatized by being held down and stabbed hundreds of times with a sword (which is a phallic symbol + the way Xie Lian goes and locks himself up in his room insisting heâs fine after his parents and Feng Xin immediately know something is wrongâitâsâŚnot a subtle metaphor. It is not assault, to be clearâyou cannot and should not equate themâbut it is a Freudian metaphor for a violation others view as shameful, but the shame is actually on Bai WuXiang for orchestrating it). He cannot tell his parents what happened to them because he doesnât want to burden them; him not telling them is a burden.Â
Mama Xie and the king then commit suicide as an example of exactly what Xie Lian fears he is and what he has to overcome: the idea that heâs a burden, that harming himself is fine so long as it benefits people.Â
His parents hang themselves because they believe they are a burden to their son. Xie Lian tries to hang himself afterwards, but of course, he cannot die. He tries to take revenge for them then and reaches his lowest point, but Wu Ming saves him and he rejects Bai WuXiangâs path.Â
Anyways, all of themâBai WuXiang, Jun Wu, Mei NianQing, and the king and queen help shape who Xie Lian becomes; however, the ultimate choice is Xie Lianâs, and Hua Cheng is the one who, time and time again, shows him that he can and is capable of making this choice.Â
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junmei is so funny from xie lian's perspective. imagine your former mentor that dipped 800 years ago finally showing up to court for a proper custody battle, proceeding to expose your #1 lifelong idol to be the insane lunatic that fucked up your life back when you were a teenager and then finding out said insane lunatic that fucked up your life also fucked said mentor 2000 years ago creating the three realms's most toxic doomed yaoi

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