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"Satine should have been a villain" is just. I've seen it a few times and. Ffffff please tell me more about why you think a woman doing "my community should do less colonialism/imperialism/child abuse" is the bad guy, without revising what she, her people, or the Traditionalists whose culture (of imperialism, child soldiers, and freaking devΕirme, depending on the sect) is being "ruined" by her saying "yeah, you don't get to kill people for money anymore."
Mandalorian history is filled with Mandalorian armies committing genocide, both full and cultural. Why, for the love of all that is good and holy, why would you accuse Satine of doing exactly the thing she is canonically an activist against?
People just. Take Satine's best traits. And transplant them onto Jaster Mereel.
Then they say she'd be better as a villain because she's erasing a culture whose best traits (egalitarianism, diversity, compassion, a desire to help the weak and abused) are either informed traits, wholesale fanon, OR STOLEN FROM NEW MANDALORE.
Revising canon so that the True Mandalorians aren't uncomfortably racist and killing political activists for money (see: Open Seasons) so that their portrayals match up to their stated values is fine, but... claiming the pacifist is a more interesting villain because the culture she erased is diverse and progressive in fanon is... why. Why is it more interesting to write a pacifist, progressive character as the bad guy than to explore her in the context of the deeply messed up culture she was raised in.
I just. This is a woman who is shown displaying compassion at every turn and explicitly stated to have gone through hell for her beliefs, who rations when her people do, who said "no more war" because her people killed so many and then each other.
It's so much more interesting to investigate what she went through. It's so much less pro-imperialist to just RETCON THE DEMOGRAPHICS (the way canon did) and reimagine Satine as a woman of color to ditch the White Blonde Politician weirdness than to say "actually, the gun-toting mercenaries who said things like 'the natives are poorly armed' (thanks, Jaster) are the morally best option for this culture."
Hell, there's room to go 'oh hey, Kalevala was likely a planet that was colonized, since it's not Manda'yaim, which means Satine is possibly descended from people who, like Kal Skirata, were forcibly assimilated into Mandalorian culture way back.'
Just. Why is "the pacifist activist who is on decade number three of changing her own culture from the inside to be less British/Danish/Ottoman/Mongolian/Japanese/Roman Empire-esque should be the bad guy" your go-to?
It's people bringing the metatextual into the text. All of the above is what Satine is, according to the text. But metatextually, she's a white woman, most of whose government is white, coming in to replace a people who up to that point have been largely depicted as poc. Or if not most Mandalorians, then definitely the clones. Adding insult to injury, now the mandos of color aren't even recognized as True Mandalorians anymore. So yeah. People are upset about that, and it makes a ton of sense to me why someone might portray Satine not as the text does, but what her metatextual function has been.
OKAY gonna kick this off by saying I wrote up an entire thing and have scrapped most of it because wow do I not have a coherent train of thought when trying to debate while emotional. @atagotiak helped me turn it into something that doesn't go in circles and backtrack across itself. And this does get me emotional. Because... reasons.
So, I do actually recognize that New Mandalore has some deeply questionable visuals. I've touched on them a few times, including in this post. With the first and foremost Mandalorian being Jango Fett, and the show already being on shaky footing with regards to race, the visuals being entirely white and blonde is sketchy as hell. It's uncomfortable to see and uncomfortable to think about, because we've seen in the Senate and on other planets that they can animate diversity, even if their budget may have been low for this episode (see: one of the more infamous screenshots used to talk about the homogeneity has three women with the exact same haircut).
We can all agree (or at least, all of us with sense) that Filoni fucked up here. The creative team made everyone on Mandalore white. This is a bad thing, because space should really not have that kind of homogeneity unless the planet/culture is incredibly insular or incompatible with other species.
But here's the thing:
The creative team for Open Seasons did the same thing. Not one of the depicted True Mandalorians is a person of color, except for Jango himself.
(He's also very white-washed, so maybe some of these characters were meant to be men of color? But the clones were white-washed in TCW, so if that's our point of argument, we need to extend benefit of the doubt to either both, or neither.)
The diversity of Mandalore pre-Satine is a fanon creation. It's a good fanon, but it's not a reason to decide she's evil. It's a reason to yell at the creators for doing racial homogeneity on Mandalore.
Death Watch is also really, really white. Every existing Mandalorian since KOTOR, as of TCW, was really, really white. I'm going to include a list of every Mandalorian I found that wasn't a white human at the end, but if we don't include the video games set in the old republic (some 4000 years pre-canon), then these are the Mandalorian humans of color:
Jango Fett, his family, and any clones of his
Clan Wren - Asian, from Star Wars: Rebels (released after public negativity to Filoni's animation choices in TCW)
Ketsu Onyo - black, from Rebels (released after public negativity to Filoni's animation choices in TCW)
Janard - profile says "Skin tone: Tan," (race ambiguous) from a comic based on Star Wars: Rebels (released after public negativity to Filoni's animation choices in TCW)
Novoc Vevut - black, from the comics "Legacy of the Force," takes place several decades post-OT in Legends
OId Teroch - ambiguous race, from the X-Wings miniatures game, profile says "Skin tone: Dark"
Shyla Varad - ambiguous race, from Imperial Assault card game (released 2014), profile says "Skin tone: Tan"
Mandalore the Lesser - ambiguous race, from codex entries and Legends timeline, profile says "Skin tone: Tan", almost 4000 years pre-canon
Jango and his people. Characters introduced after Filoni got backlash for white Mandalore. Novoc. Two characters from a card game, one of whom is racially ambiguous enough that she might be white anyway. A character from the KOTOR period.
(Din counts as 'characters introduced after Filoni got backlash,' but even then it's a borderline case since Pedro Pascal refers to himself as a Hispanic white man, so I'm not including him.)
That's it. The 'Diverse Mandalore' that people say Satine got rid of hadn't existed in over three thousand years, because the Star Wars writers have always been racist.
If we criticize Satine for not having a Mandalore that looks like KOTOR because her creators were bad at their jobs, then we criticize Jaster for the same thing. If we retcon the True Mandalorians to be more diverse, then we do the same to the New Mandalorians.
My issue with the 'the visuals are questionable' is based on a lot of things, but a big one is the double standard I outline above. Every faction of Mandalore is uncomfortably white in anything set in the decades leading up to the empire, because creators are racist. If we talk about New Mandalore being a problem because of those visuals, then we need to do the same for True Mandalorians.
Sundari being mostly white has been retconned by canon. The True Mandalorians being mostly white has not... mostly because they aren't canon anymore at all, but we'll see if that changes, now that Jaster's been name-dropped in the live-action.
I'm starting with this to make it clear that I am more than aware of what the major criticism is, because that's where I started and was my first instinct as well. As I've just explained, though, it's irrelevant, because it was done to every other faction as well.
Whether canon demographics or retconned, Satine's people are no whiter than any other Mandalorian group of that century. That's where we start.
We then get into policy and behavior.
Satine's policies are explicitly anti-war and, with how this plays into her people's history, staunchly anti-imperialist. She is shown eating minimally when her people are running low on food, indicating that she refuses to distribute wealth with the inequality we see from leaders like Orn Free Taa. Her only explicit weaponry ban is for outsiders, unlike fanon claims, and the armor ban is also fanon.
(Also pretty much every faction has some No True Scotsman going on, and since Almec's already a dick, I don't feel bad about dismissing his commentary as a panicked rejection of attempts to tie Mandalore to the war, a war they cannot afford to get dragged into.)
There are some questionable things she does, to be sure, but...
Do you know the backstory for Kal Skirata?
He was born Falin Mattran. His parents died due to a war, and he was found and adopted a year later by Munin Skirata, a rather traditional Mandalorian, who wasn't affiliated with either Jaster or Tor's factions.
Falin was not allowed to keep his name. He wanted to. He was not allowed. He was raised to be Mandalorian, to be Kal, by the Skirata Clan. His adoptive father trained him to the point of abuse, where even other traditional Mandalorians called it a bit much. They did not interfere.
This is textbook forced assimilation.
Death Watch also takes children, likely not limiting themselves to orphans, and brainwashes them. They claim they are traditional. (Remember when I mentioned devΕirme?)
Jaster Mereel was known as the Reformer because he tried to make Mandalorians better, more honorable, while retaining tradition.
He once said "the natives are poorly armed and have no standing army. [...] This should be easy credits." Even if it was unintentional, the imperialist influence on his phrasing is ten times more apparent than Satine's.
All of Jaster's soldiers appear to be men. Jaster sent an eight-year-old into battle. It could be argued that it was the only choice in the situation, maybe, but he still did it.
Jango, prior to Galidraan, took jobs to kill political activists, for money. Not slavers, not drug lords, not CEOs. Political activists. Later, he knowingly participated in a genocide.
Do you know how many genocides, both full and cultural, are present in Mandalorian history? How many they enslaved? Mandalore's cultural legacy is hell for the people they conquered, no matter how cool they looked in armor and jetpacks.
I will take the argument that Satine's visuals are sketchy and so she's better as a villain when people do the same for Jaster's just-as-sketchy visuals and his even sketchier language and behavior.
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Mandalorians of color, or racially ambiguous, via me going through every profile on this page and checking the character design/description. I may have missed a few, but I was as thorough as I could manage.
Jango Fett, his family, and any clones of his
Janard - profile says "Skin tone: Tan," (race ambiguous) from a comic based on Star Wars: Rebels (released after public negativity to Filoni's animation choices in TCW)
Clan Wren - Asian, from Rebels (released after public negativity to Filoni's animation choices in TCW)
Ketsu Onyo - black, from Rebels (released after public negativity to Filoni's animation choices in TCW)
Novoc Vevut - black, from the comics "Legacy of the Force," takes place several decades post-OT in Legends
OId Teroch - ambiguous race, from the X-Wings miniatures game, profile says "Skin tone: Dark"
Shyla Varad - ambiguous race, from Imperial Assault card game (released 2014), profile says "Skin tone: Tan"
Mandalore the Lesser - ambiguous race, from codex entries and Legends timeline, profile says "Skin tone: Tan", almost 4000 years pre-canon
From the video games:
(VGOR - Video Game, Old Republic - several separate games all set some 3600-4000 years pre-canon)
Tarro Blood - VGOR, formerly of Alderaan, became a Mandalorian later in life
Tyrus Brokenblade - VGOR, ambiguously Asian (has green eyes, likely mixed race)
Randun Ard - VGOR, profile says "Skin tone: Dark"
Amzartho - VGOR, profile says "Skin tone: Dark"
Roggar Den - VGOR, profile says "Skin tone: Dark"
Karin Dochek - VGOR, profile says "Skin tone: Tan"
Dorrick - VGOR, black
Duran Gorr - VGOR, profile says "Skin tone: Tan"
Heta Kol - VGOR, profile says "Skin tone: Tan"
Deth Kregg - VGOR, black
Lem-Ofars - VGOR, black
Njanner-Pok - VGOR, profile says "Skin tone: Tan"
Ohta - VGOR, profile says "Skin tone: Tan"
Pit Rauhut - VGOR, profile says "Skin tone: Tan"
Rellu - VGOR, profile says "Skin tone: Tan"
Reedendu - VGOR, ambiguous due to lighting, but I think black
Bask Sunn- VGOR, profile says "Skin tone: Tan"
Tanik - VGOR, black
Zenzo - VGOR, black
Artus Lok - VGOR, black
Jagi - VGOR, black
Black UnNamed - customizable player character from Star Wars Galaxies: Jump to Lightspeed
Hetl Darkrunner - customizable player character from Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divided
Not Human:
Jaing - comics, survivor of the Old Republic
Dagg - VGOR
"Mad Akk" Geden - VGOR
Zakxon Gewchi - VGOR
Grut - VGOR
Huntmaster - VGOR
Johun - VGOR
Vol Kolla - VGOR
Vort Norman - VGOR
Kassor Quade - VGOR
Renegin - VGOR
Dao Stryver - VGOR
Tosk - VGOR
Xev - VGOR
Xor - VGOR
Beld Yulan - comic "Knight Errant," set approx. one millennium pre-canon
Mandalore The First - "The Old Republic: Revan", Taung Mand'alor, at least 7000 years pre-canon
Mandalore the Indomitable - several Legends comics, Taung Mand'alor, almost 4000 years pre-canon
Mandalore the Ultimate - several Legends comics, Taung Mand'alor, almost 4000 years pre-canon
Demagol - KOTOR Legends comics (also set almost 4000 years pre-canon)
Just wanted to say your AUs are great and often hilarious and I revisit them if I need a laugh. There's something about how you draw Vader specifically that absolutely *delights* me every time. I hope to see more of him in your style. Thanks for sharing your work here :D
aw thank you so much!!!!!!! i love drawing vader it's so fun to just make him an Ominous Shape or Very Sad shape
I think something not talked about much regarding Arβalani is how awkward she is.
In Treason, Eli is so obviously hoping for validation and she just lowkey roasts his usefulness because heβs ex-imperial. Sheβs not trying to be a jerk, just thinking out loud, and just crushes this poor manβs hopes. She gets so close to Faro at one point that Faro can feel her breath on her neck. Deranged behavior, I love it.
We see in the Ascendancy trilogy she is constantly making bad jokes that almost never land, even to superiors like General Baβkif. The first conversation she had with Thrawn, she made a bad joke about him getting free food from the academy, then casually calls up a general she has never spoken to because she has a hunch. The balls on this woman are huge.
Her talking to Ambassador Ilparg is hilarious. βBecause I want [Thrawn] here, and Iβm the admiral.β Yes girl, thatβs how you talk to a diplomat!! Like sheβs not wrong but oof, itβs a good thing Wuutrow is there to diffuse things.
Then thereβs her disastrous efforts to comfort Chβiri in chaos risingβ βItβs not so bad, thereβs danger everywhere!β. That is a direct quote. 10/10, totally the best way to comfort a crying child.
Her handling of Thrawnβs museum night is amazing. βThis isnβt what I expected, so Iβll invite him back to my quarters then fight him. He will say yes to this.β And because Thrawn is equally a social disaster, of course he says yes.
It is completely unsurprising that she and Thrawn are besties. Thrawn is bad at parties because he doesnβt talk to anyone, and Arβalani is bad at parties because she just says whatever the fuck she wants and I love that for her. I hc that Thrawn wasnβt immediately thrown out of the Irizi homestead because her family is like βthis has to be another one of her bad jokesβ and they just ignored him the entire time he was there.
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I saw this on twitter and the idea of this happening sounds absolutely hilarious. Like Han, Ventress and Merrin just direct Thrawn to a DMV and make him coming to dathomir absolute hell (I also accidentally sent this ask to someone else π )
LMAO???? i take back everything I've ever said about legends, this is everything to me. nothing but respect for MY king of dathomir send that gay blueberry to parking ticket superhell
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