You can't reach absolute zero

This is primarily a bitter Dean fan space. I don't care about Sam or Cas or wincest or destiel. I don't care what people ship in fanon but I absolutely don't want to see those ships in canon. Dean deserves better than that.

I'm just, this dude owes his entire career to queerbaiting. He built his entire brand by selling destiel/cockles to gullible/mentally unstable fans. He'd be nothing but another failed actor if he didn't pander, if he didn't create a cult of crazies at Jensen's expense. Anyone with two brain cells can review the timeline and pinpoint the moment when he truly commited to the grift.

And we were supposed to believe that this dude was in a super secret relationship with Ackles and kept quiet all these years? That he went back into closet because of biphobia? Remember, Misha's wife was in a same sex relationship and openly wrote about it when gay marriage wasn't even legal. Remember, Misha was in sex cults. Why exactly would a dude with this background keep quiet all these years if he's anything but straight? Why would he not milk his sexuality in 2022?

Just look at the stats on per capita emission. We are already at bottom. See how much developed countries pollute vs how much we do. What exactly we can do other than dying because that would be one sure way to reduce our usage. And you have USA right there at the top with a quarter of India's population and twice it's emission.

Russia has done the unfathomable and has openly rebelled against the established world order. The so called rule based order where America and its allies are free to plunder the rest of the world in the guise of spreading "democratic values", where othe nations are expected to be thankful for being subjects to American will. Of course the current American leadership would do it's best to make an example out of Russia, they have no other choice. Today it's Russia, tomorrow it'd be China. Maybe even India if we ever manage to decolonize ourselves.

America prints trillions of dollars at a whim and it's the rest of the world who has to bear the consequences. America straight up stole Russia's reserves (300 billions) and we are all taking note. We now know this could happen to us if we don't toe the line. That American dollars are worthless just like their words are. That they could simply freeze and steal our assets. Like they are doing in Afghanistan where millions are starving. Today they stole Russia's money because of a war, tomorrow they might steal China's money because China isn't open to LGBT mafia or India's because it passes a law against forced religious conversion. Given how it's going on, not agreeing with "trans women are women" slogan might be enough to put you on sanctions.

Guess war is only horrible if it affects Europe. If it kills relatively white, relatively European people. Us browns and blacks and other non whites aren't human enough so our lives aren't important enough. I mean, that's why Russia gets sanctioned but USA gets no penalty for it's crimes isn't it?

Perhaps you are incapable of reading comprehension so I'll write this one more time for you. Also why did you block me after sending this ask? Is this your version of owning the libs? Lol.

Idk if Jensen hates Misha or angels. I don't think he does. But you know what he hates? Public tin-hat stuff. He hates it when your cult tags him and posts obscene sexual things about him and Misha. He hates when you guys stalk him and hound him and put him on spot and try to prove a sexual relationship between him and Misha.

Jensen's family sees all the disgusting stuff you post on public platforms and they are hurt by it. Jensen was asked by some of his relatives about cockles tin-hat things and had to clarify that he wasn't sleeping with Misha. That the lies you spread around are, just that, lies. Think how embarassing that convo would have been. Jensen hates you guys for being these kind of disgusting creeps and it's also why he was so hostile to destiel in the first place. He's given more fuel to wincest shippers, made more jokes about wincest than destiel -- he literally thinks you're worse than incest shippers coz you're mentally unstable and utterly disrespect his boundaries.

Honestly I agree with a lot of things you say. A lot of your posts are similar to my own thoughts that I never shared before because I find it really hard to express my opinion on here without getting attacked by that stupid fucking cult.

I mean shipping characters and stuff should be fun and normal and all Fandoms have it. But to start projecting those ships into real human beings and harass them to give you what you want is fucking insane. Sometimes I wonder how old are the people who make posts about jensen and misha and claim that they are in a relationship or whatever their creepy fantasies are. Like come on!! How dumb can you be! I feel so sorry for Jensen, the poor guy can never breath without them twisting it and making it about them. Don't they have a life? A better thing to do?

Anyways I just needed to rant because whenever I check Jensen tag or dean tag it's always filled with the dumbest fucking posts ughhh!

Ya, I stopped checking dean or jensen tags ages ago. Same with reading dean meta written by shippers. When I joined tumblr I interacted/argued with both sam and cas fans. Sam fans did have bad takes on canon, like you'd see them arguing about how sam was right in drinking demon blood or how dean was too mean to him etc. But they at least watched the show and used (twisted) canon facts. Cas fans otoh, entirely talked about things that were head-canons at best and delusions at worst. You’d read their meta and you'd feel like you're talking to a schizo guy who sees secret messages in news paper articles. I couldn't stand them or their (intentional)stupidity or their insidious nature which is why I blocked most of them.

Spn fandom was always creepy about shipping. First there was wincest and deanjohn(ugh), but at least those factions knew that shipping was for fun and not for activism. Then people started shipping J2 and projected their fantasies on real people. So it isn't like cockles crowd invented RPF. Cockles crowd, just like their destiel counterpart, is entirely unoriginal in everything it does except, perhaps pearl clutching.

But the thing is, no one from the show supported J2 tin-hats, no one looked at folks at spn_gossip and said “lemme feed them coz free publicity”. Jensen and Jared themselves always maintained that they were good friends and nothing more. They didn’t bait their fans into imagining a sexual relationship between them. Misha, in contrast, actively promoted cockles and baited his crazy fans into shipping cockles. He sexualized every innocent interaction Jensen had with him and gave more fuel to mentally unstable shippers. This is what I find pathetic, inexcusable. I’d find this kind of baiting distasteful even if Jensen reciprocated, but since Jensen never reciprocates, I find Misha’s antics deeply disgusting and disturbing.

Misha fed lies and half truths to his crazy fan-base for years. They lapped it up and asked for more. They stalked and harassed Jensen, obtained his utility bills, Misha’s medical records. They crossed so many boundaries that even Misha talked about hiring security to deter them. Misha made money out of these people so I have zero sympathy for him. Jensen who did nothing wrong, who didn’t dupe or bait fans, had to suffer the most because of Misha’s actions -- he was slandered, harassed, stalked for years by Misha’s cult, and they are not going to leave him alone no matter what --and I would never forgive Misha for treating his so called “friend” with such contempt.

Thank you so much anon. And yes, I agree. For context, this is the manip Misha tweeted and then fans (who have no boundaries anyway) asked Jensen about this in J2 panel. Jensen apologized for Misha and ofc Misha didn't apologize to Jensen for tweeting that disgusting manip of his "friend".

Since I wanna be impartial, Jared did post a (semi)naked manip of Sam and Dean on facebook before deleting it. But the one he used was a)Sam and Dean not J2 b)not targeted to specifically demean Jensen c) didn't give underage prostitute vibes. Unlike Misha, he didn't do it to humiliate Jensen, that's the vibe you get.

Misha's always been creepy toward Jensen. He sexualizes everyone and everything but with Jensen/Dean he goes even further and adds that degradation/humiliation element. He misgenders Jensen, emasculates him, and of course loves to pretend that he tops ie dominates dean/jensen in the imaginary sexual relationship that exists in his head. He straight up gives vulgar answers regarding dean and has an obsession with bottom dean/jen that would make any sane bystander distinctly uncomfortable.

You know, I actually wonder about the psychology behind this. Despite how "pretty" he looks/ed, Jensen's always been very masculine. He's athletic, naturally good at everything he does, a leader. He's a man's man. He's someone other men listen to, look up to, he has that aura around him. He's a total alpha, according to Adam from spn production team. Misha is none of that. Outside of that ship he hardly matters to even his fans. He's not good at his craft, he's egoistic and narcissistic, he's blamed spn for his lack of roles, he's called Sera Gamble, a woman, a bitch bc she didn't cater to him. Not to mention how he talked about leering at 13 year old girl children and finding beating women costars exciting.

"Jensen might have joked around with Misha(just like he does with many others, including Jared) on the set and in conventions, but that doesn't imply he's okay with Misha posting creepy, offensive comments about Jensen on a public platform, broadcasting to the world."

Do you understand? I might make off color jokes around my coworkers or in front of limited audience but that doesn't mean it's ok for them to make the same kind of jokes about me on a public platform, broadcasting it to the millions. That's how boundaries work. Anyone who works in a team knows this. There's a reason why J2's brothers fucking each other joke was cut from gag reel, same with the bottom Jensen joke that got cut from the gag reel. And yes, Jensen gives as good as he gets, but he doesn't do that on twitter. Idc if Misha fucks around with Jensen on set, where Jensen participates and responds, I care what Misha does on twitter and why he does it.

Essentially you don't understand the difference between two coworkers joking on set or in conventions (which are essentially work too, where actors perform for fans) and one man making creepy comments about his coworker on his personal twitter account with millions of followers while his coworker keeps on ignoring the said creepy comments. For years. Perhaps you do but are pretending otherwise, I notice that you were okay with Misha sexualizing 14 year old girls as well. Figures.

Also, stop coming at me with "omg Jensen touches Misha he loves him" angle. Stop with the "Jensen would speak up if he has a problem" angle when I specifically used Carina's story to underline why someone might not speak up. They might not want to make a scene even-though they find someone's actions annoying, but creeps are known to take advantage of that.

I never claimed that Jensen hates Misha. But to play devil's advocate, Jensen forgave Jared after his public tantrum and patched things up with him and will be working with him. So of course Jensen wouldn't call Misha out on twitter no matter how annoying/disrespectful he finds Misha's "jokes". Misha's facing a divorce, is unemployed, is doing cameos and stripping on tik tok to make ends meet. Knowing Jensen, Jensen who saved people from burning houses as a child and helped strangers when no one else did, would let Misha get off with being a creep toward him on twitter. It's entirely IC for him.

That post is a testimony to Jensen's innate goodness and makes me proud of him. But there's something else I wanna talk about. Read the linked post again. Do notice how Carina was treated by this sleazy agent. Do notice how she was embarrassed but felt that she couldn't/shouldn't speak up, that it wasn't worth it to make a scene. Do notice how her silence only made the creep bolder and how he escalated his inappropriate behaviour. Do notice how creep's blatantly sexual, inappropriate remarks were treated as a joke by others and how she felt undermined.

Now look at Misha's actions in the past few years. Misha put Jensen on spot and mock kissed him infront of an audience. Misha relentlessly sexualized Jensen and posted inappropriate manips of him on his twitter. Misha repeatedly misgendered jensen, with an intention to demean him. Misha repeatedly made suggestive comments about his and Jensen's relationship, implying a sexual relationship when there's none. Misha made degrading comments about Jensen -- saying what straight men are known to say to degrade another man -- by implying that Misha tops Jensen. I mean, "lol you take it up the ass, I fuck you, you're beneath me, you're not a real man" is an insult you can find since ancient Greek times and Misha uses it as an insult, that is why he asserts that he tops Jensen on a public platform. It's very similar to how that creepy agent tried to degrade Carina by implying she performed sexual acts for him.

I wanna make it clear that there's nothing inherently degrading with the idea of bottoming just like how there's nothing degrading with the idea of a woman having sex. What's degrading is the agent implying that a woman sexually sevices him, the same way how Misha implies that Jensen bottoms for him. What's horrifying is the encroachment of boundaries and lack of consent.

Notice that Jensen never responds to these remarks. He doesn't reply to Misha's creepy posts, doesn't like his cockles baiting tweets or bday wishes, doesn't engage him. Doesn't like or reply or correct Misha when he talks about "topping" Jensen. In essence, Jensen ignores these off color remarks, doesn't acknowledge them. He stays silent, just like Carina did. Perhaps he doesn't want to make a scene, doesn't want to give it more publicity and can you really blame him?

The creep agents male colleagues didn't call him out. They laughed at his "jokes", excused his inappropriate behaviour. But at least they didn't truly believe him, they didn't think Carina offered sexual favours. Misha's cult members, otoh, fully believe in Misha's words. They believe that Misha is fucking Jensen, that Jensen's okay with Misha's inappropriate behaviour. They assume consent when there's none and excuse Misha's every action. They are the worst.

We also know that Jensen hates the public tin-hat stuff. That he hates when his family sees the despicable shit cockles shippers sprout in public spaces. When Misha's cult tags Jensen and post sexual things about cockles. When they stalk and harass Jensen in order to prove the myth of cockles. There's insider info which validates these points, but tbh, it's not rocket science to figure this out. You only need basic human empathy to understand how Jensen feels about this shit but cockles freaks get off on dehumanising and sexualizing Jensen so no wonder they lack empathy.

What Misha does to Jensen is sexual harassment. That's the bottom line. There's no two ways about it. There's no consent from Jensen's side. Jensen might have joked around with Misha(just like he does with many others, including Jared) on the set and in conventions, but that doesn't imply he's okay with Misha posting creepy, offensive comments about Jensen on a public platform, broadcasting to the world. A man doing this to a female co-star would be accused of sexual harassment. A man doing this to a female co-star he's in a relationship with would also be accused of inappropriate sexual conduct. Jensen didn't consent to being the object of Misha's degrading "jokes". He doesn't participate in said jokes, doesn't even acknowledge them. What Misha is doing to Jensen would be sexual harassment even if cockles is real and J & M are in a relationship. It's that simple.

Jared and Gen often make suggestive, sexual remarks about each other. You might find them distasteful, but they enthusiastically participate in these "jokes", and laugh with each other, not at each other. Compare that with Misha's one sided obsessive "jokes" about Jensen, which are designed to glorify Misha and degrade Jensen, which are designed to bait cockles shippers so that Misha can make money out of them. Note how Misha never makes these kind of comments about his ex-wife, and how generally respectful he is of her. He clearly knows how to treat a loved one with dignity, he just doesn't care enough for Jensen to treat him with the same dignity.

I'm barely in spn fandom these days. I don't care about your ships but I care about Jensen. I've never seen another actor treated like he's treated in this fandom, objectified and sexualized and dehumanised to such a degree that it makes me nauseous just to think about. But it's one thing when fans do it, it's another when Jensen's co-stars do it. And while almost all of them are guilty of it, Misha takes it to another level. Misha/destiel/cockles fans always dismiss his creepy actions under the guise of "just a joke" which is why I paralleled this with Carina's story to show how not okay these kinds of "jokes" are. Sure Misha might not have the power to make or break Jensen's career but that doesn't mean that Jensen has the option of publicly reprimanding Misha. That it's okay for Misha to make these "jokes" about Jensen on a public platform.

I can't stand any of these people and I don't want to know their backstories, their reasons, their justifications. I don't care an iota about them. I don't have any interest in them. Dean was denied any happiness in life, the show went out of it's way to torture him for a lifetime and then killed him without giving him a chance to find happiness or peace. His death was framed as necessary, as beautiful. I can not forgive or forget that.

Jensen loves JDM and JDM was bummed about "abusive" John storyline of later seasons. Of course John was still abusive in season 1 but it wasn't overt, it could have still been excused and salvaged if writers wanted -- which clearly didn't happen. With each new season, with each new revelation -- like Adam for example-- John's character became irredeemable. And his actions toward Dean unforgivable.

Is there any hopes to see the brothers together again? Maybe some sort of special appearance in walker or boys?

Dean's death. It was the most sadistic thing the show ever pulled off -- the manner of Dean's death, the framing of death as peace, the always keep fighting bs -- all of that was unbelievably contradictory and unnecessarily cruel. And the fact that the writers gleefully planned the entire season around Dean's death? Just makes everything uglier.

How do I cope? Anon, I live in India. Last couple of months were brutal on us. Life has always been cheap in India but it was never like this -- the fear, the uncertainty, the hopelessness -- it's difficult to explain how that feels. You see people falling sick and not getting beds or medicines, you hear about a friend suddenly dying, you worry if you'd be next and you feel numb. It puts things in perspective, makes you realise what's important.

I don't fault people for using fiction to get away from RL (I've done it) but currently I don't have the capacity to spare mental effort doing that. I still feel a bit sad about Dean's death but I also finally "get" that he's not real, not in the way we are, not in the way people around me are. His story is just a story, so I don't have to feel bad for him, I can always imagine better things for him.

Something about the optics of it, a millionaire actor charging so much money during the literal pandemic and not even doing what his fans asked of him (shout out to Jess who paid 300$ for nothing), hits just so wrong to me. His fans aren't millionaires like him and I'd bet that most of them are struggling with their finances right now and yet they're paying him exorbitant money to validate their ship. Just shows you how much of a scammer Misha truly is tbh.

And everyone does this, including his own fans. Like just look at the reactions he got after his latest panel. He says he's the number one fan of the finale? Oh, he's just doing it to keep peace with CW. He says he wouldn't change a single thing about the ending? Oh, he's just humoring fans. As if he needs to tell any of that in a private m&g, as if he couldn't come up with anything else but blatant praise if he really wanted to. As if he's a mindless victim who can't speak his mind. Like we're not talking about an incredibly intelligent, sarcastic adult here ffs.

And what's funny is that this is exactly what bi-bros did when Jensen complained about the finale. They dismissed his concerns about the finale because it went against their narrative. Same thing with hellers. They called him homophobic and then heller king and now he's back to brainwashed victim. It's like people hear him but never listen.

Well, remember the pilot episode? Remember how Jared imagined Dean sleeping with Sam’s gf to explain the animosity between the brothers? So ya, don’t expect him to add stuff that’s not in the script, don’t expect him to add anything to make Sam more relatable. If the script calls for angry Sam then he’ll just play that, wouldn’t add anything to show Sam’s love/concern for his brother as Jensen does for Dean.

It's the h*phobic Jensen tag that makes me lose it. Like do these people not know that Misha was the one who used gay as a derogatory term when it came to season 7 Dean/Cas interactions? Do they not know that Misha became super woke only to get followers/keep his career? That he's the one who is performing for his audience, not Jensen?

I wish people would go through below posts to see how awful they're being when they characterize Jensen (yes, Jensen not Dean) as bi/repressed/homophobic whatever. When they twist and turn his every word, every interaction to sell their cockles fantasy. How they're essentially saying that men can't have emotional attachment/platonic relationships with other men, and how they're invalidating Jensen's entire life as a lie.

https://deanisdarkness.tumblr.com/post/158809019992/is-jensen-bi-besides-with-misha-everyone-is-gay

https://deanisdarkness.tumblr.com/post/158842106707/almaasi-an-official-apology-regarding-this-post