Hazbin/Helluva Boss Theories (running thread, pg. 11)
11.) Alastor and Zestial are beings of pure evil who will never be redeemed because they would never seek it in the first place, since all they want to do with eternity is spend it hurting, eating, and killing others just because they enjoy doing that and have no remorse.
I would argue that other characters, like Valentino, Vox, Velvette, and others, do horrible things because those acts are coping mechanisms in response to a lack of control, which stems further back to feelings of loneliness and vulnerability in the pursuit of love (which makes sense if the Vees' souls used to be the three king stars of Orion's Belt (see my post #9), since Orion is a hunter constantly in pursuit, the V symbol evokes the imagery of an arrowhead the hunter Orion is using to pursue prey and love, and all three of the Vees notably pursue love and attention in their own way, especially from each other--which may explain why they died prematurely on Earth, desperately trying to find each other without even realizing it by trying to literally make as many connections as possible, only to take it too far since their soulmates were not on Earth at the same time)--this also explains why Vox loves sharks because they are apex hunters, tying back to his soul's roots as part of the hunter Orion constellation. The Vees commit horrible acts not for the sake of doing them, but because they are a means to an end, and also because of their misunderstanding that they are in Hell because of an unfair system where they are called bad for being gay, etc., so that much, if not all, of what they do is therefore performative or even, in their minds, an act of resistance against those who call them "bad".
By contrast, Alastor and Zestial make clear that all they want to do is live out eternity in Hell killing, hurting, and enjoying people's screams as they harm them, because in this system, where making sacrifices to the Root secures your power, doing so is rewarded--the motivation to do that does not derive from character flaws, complex excuses, or righteous intentions, they simply and greedily do those things relentlessly because that's all they want to do with their existences--they are constantly hungry to cause more suffering, which is why both of them constantly kill and harm others. If either of them are aware of what Hell really is (though I don't think either of them are aware of Rosie's identity) then they would also know that they need to play their cards right to avoid "dying" and automatically becoming the next meal of the Root of Evil, since at the end of the day they are still just food to the eldtrich being that watches them at all times. Their soul forms as a deer and an insect serve as a constant reminder that they are prey to a larger entity, regardless of how powerful they become--which probably explains why Alastor visibly panicked when he realized he wasn't as powerful as he thought, since that increases the risk that his soul would be eaten and he himself would end up experiencing eternal suffering, instead of him gleefully doing that to others.
In retrospect, I think that this is why Alastor shows a level of respect for Zestial he doesn't show to anyone else, because they are both solitary predators pursuing an eternal existence of causing suffering, which is reflected by the lime green and black energy of their souls--indicative of the metaphysical force of Evil alongside the green energy of greed--and also by their common behaviors of acting almost aristocratic, which I think reflects how they benefit from the system functioning as it does, to the detriment of others. They don't want love, friendship, or even companionship, they just want to clear the field of threats to their power so that they know their way of existing won't be compromised. I would argue that in both of their cases, any friendly behaviors they exhibited were all part of a careful manipulation to secure the status quo they depend upon to do what they want with eternity. In Alastor's case, he was only at Charlie's hotel because Rosie forced him to be there, which means that all of his excuses to be there were lies, and also, his behaviors in acting gentile and friendly, specifically when he knew Charlie was watching, was all an act that I think was ultimately intended to gain Charlie's trust, so that eventually he could trick her into making a deal with him.
In Zestial's case, I think he similarly used manipulation techniques to influence Carmilla's actions because, while on the surface he seems to show care for her, it shouldn't be forgotten that he has a special interest in being in her ear knowing that she is the overlord given the most power to affect the system--he is self-interested to make sure she maintains the status quo in his favor, and therefore I don't think his motivations to influence her should be mistaken as a genuine act of friendship. When she goes along with Vox's plan because of her concern for the safety of her daughters, Zestial tries to influence her decision but does not offer to protect her and her daughters, despite being one of the oldest and most powerful overlords, so that she doesn't have to make a hard decision--instead, he leaves her to her own devices and doesn't help her until Vox's plan falls apart. I wouldn't be surprised if Zestial saying "she came to her senses" may have given away that the reason her device overloaded was because she designed it that way--I have a hard time believing that she is a genius who made this device knowing that it could easily become a nuclear bomb, unless she did that to sabotage Vox's plan upon realizing that maintaining the system benefits her. In the end, I think this is the actual reason why Zestial showed up suddenly, suggesting he was watching the whole time and yet did nothing, because ensuring his self-interest was the driving motivator for his actions all along, not his concern for her or anyone else. His form as a spider then makes sense--he manipulates and lures others into his orbit, but notably, as seen in his lair, he ultimately stands alone, atop a pile of skulls of his victims--because others are either a means to his ends and/or someone he takes satisfaction in harming, and there is nothing in between, which I think is also the case with Alastor (which Vox tearfully realizes when nothing he does matters, since Alastor only wants to hurt him and nothing more).
The idea of Zestial being an ancient predecessor of evil to someone in a future generation like Alastor then gives a lot of weight to the theory that Zestial is Cain--the first murderer. After all, if Zestial was making "sacrifices" in the form of murdering others at the dawn of humanity, just like Alastor does later to secure a serial killer afterlife, this would tie in somewhat with the story of Cain and Abel making sacrifices to God, but only Abel's offerings were well-received. In the story, Cain lures his brother Abel into a field and smashes him over the head with a rock--this would align with Zestial's design as a spider weaving a trap, and also with Abel's design where his halo is bent as if his head was beaten in.
This would also highlight how the primordial evil that first manifested in Zestial/Cain literally took root in later generations of humanity in the form of solitary serial killers like Alastor, who are rare (even Rosie/Eve is taken aback, which says alot) because they truly embody pure evil rather than the flaws of the vast majority of humanity, who make horrible mistakes but have the capacity for love, humility, and empathy, and as a result form friendships, families, and communities--a nuance that Lucifer at first does not recognize, since he assumes all humans are like Alastor. It then makes sense why Zestial and Alastor are solitary rather than genuine members of family units, because they only care for themselves and their greed, and if Zestial is Cain, then Abel being his brother clearly made no difference to him. Along the same lines, I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that Alastor harmed his family members because those relationships similarly meant nothing to him.
Perhaps on a larger scale, the idea of the Root of Evil taking over the world may truly be encapsulated by these two characters, where, unlike the vast majority of humanity over thousands of years, every now and then the true embodiments of unredeemable Evil emerge in humanity in the form of remorseless, relentless killing machines.