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The woes of terrible people having great takes and analysis on pcfc characters in this fandom—so much extremism, this is why I’m a centrist.

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Thinking about mary pcfc again,,, per usual. [LONG POST]
They're such a simple character but so interesting!! It makes my blood boil how much mischaracterisation i've seen seeing of them in the fandom because they're literally the easiest chara ever like HOW do you get them wrong :/// some people clearly just don't care about any characters other than their blorbos... not dropping names this time though.
The thing about Mary is that we never get to fully see them. Sure, both Mary and Mark appear quite often, and the lines between those two characters often blur, but we never quite get a full picture of them. I strongly believe that the true character of 'Mary' lies somewhere between the God and Mark persona. The distinction between them two gets stomped all over by the show, and often times the fans can’t quite tell whether the other characters see Mary or Mark in certain scenes, some going as far as to speculate that the others know both are the same person. But that's just obviously not true.
PCFC is known for its unclear distinctions between canon and non-canon episodes, most of its runtime composed of semi-canon lore where the direct events probably never took place in canon, yet the relationships and traits established through them persists. It's a curious phenomenon clearly sparked by the fact that the writers do not know shit and should all be fired. It's no wonder then that when they have a character who's split into two different personas, they often entirely forget about it and just write them as something inbetween - a compromise between their two sides. Which, funnily enough, is as close as we ever get to seeing the 'real' Mary.
For those a bit slower and Mary haters, let me explain this even more simply - and to do that, we need to get to the core of Mary's character, their defining trait in the series. Their divinity.
We actually don't know that much about it. Despite how well-established divine beings are within the PCFC universe, they're mostly more minor deities that operate under Mary's watch (like the love pantheon) or have been directly gifted power by them (like the mods). Mary themselves rarely expands upon their divine power and whenever they're seen as the God persona, they act generally distant and closed off. While they're still a kind god, they make sure to leave space between themselves and the mortals - Elo being an exception, but we'll get to them.
When it comes to the origins of their powers, we only know that they ascended rather suddenly, and presumably without much say on the matter. There's been mentions of a previous god and the 'Champion' who ruled under him, but they both presumably left, leaving Mary to clean up the chaos caused by the Lawless Time. We don't know exactly when they rose to power, but considering how clumsily they were handling their godhood at first, it's safe to assume they only gained divinity quite some time AFTER the previous rulers left, and probably rushed to try and fix the world before even fully understanding their powers.
Inexperienced and suddenly given a unimaginable power, they actually handled it all pretty well. Fuck you Mary haters and all those who think they were shit in the early episodes!! Mary haters DNI!! They just rose to power DURING a long-term crisis and they were just one guy with no guidance! But one thing's right - while they still took care to be kind, they were disconnected from the actual civilization. In my opinion, it's partly because obviously their status as a god made it harder to have casual interactions, but also partly because Mary was desperately trying to act 'godly'. Let me explain
They were obviously unsure of their power and role, doubting their own abilities, but they were still the god, protector of people - so they needed to appear strong. Partially to try and convince themselves they're not entirely unfit for the role, and partially to reassure the public. They developed this distant and rather unemotional persona, hiding their face and heart - sure, they were still a 'good and kind god', but they couldn't quite connect. Connection isn't meant for gods. It's mortal.
Quite obviously that put them under a lot of stress. They treated their relationship not as an interaction, an equal exchange, but as a chance to prove themselves to be likeable and get people to revere them. Early season, they were so focused on their role as a god, they completely forgot that they were still partially human, and had human needs. This is where, sadly, I do have to mention a certain character. Yes, I'm talking about sk*w. CW for all of the shit it does in early seasons, trust me guys i hate it just as much as the next person (or even more!!), but it's undeniably an important part of Mary's storyline.
In some ways, Skew is a folly to Mary. While Mary struggles to interact with others, Skew seems to be a natural people magnet. Mary's divinity is forced upon them, and they solemnly decide to accept this life in order to fullfill their duties, Skew ascends fully willing and eager to take up his role. Mary's a good person, and Skew is the definition of evil and problematic. But it can't be denied that he is liked by the other characters, at the very least during the first few seasons. And Mary's jealous.
At that point my poor baby has been working so hard to rebuild civilization, yet they're rarely met with any actual appreciation. The people are clearly evil :(((. And so they try to fit into society, by mimicking the way Skew acts - this is a trend that persists in all of their arcs btw, mimicking others and failing a bit. This is where the whole seemingly random part of them claiming to be evil comes from, in case you non-Mary fans didn't know. But instead of being appreciated, they get ridiculed instead - with Skew as the main perpetrator.
We all know how the evil arc goes. It’s no wonder they target Skew, really. They’ve been bottling up frustration for a long time now, simply pushing forward to do best by their beloved civilization, and when they get attacked by him for trying to fit in, Mary decides to make him.. Just like them. Kind, good and caring – and everyone *hates it*. I think that at first robo-skew represents Mary’s true values, but of course they get twisted as Mary rages on.
And this is where Elocom comes into play!!! My OTP <333 Elocom haters you’re the worst, dni I hope you get exposed and cancelled. Elo’s the only one who stands up for Mary, and they get immediately attached. She’s their most devoted follower, and they’re obsessed with her in turn. Their relationship is definitely incredibly codependent during the evil arc, but that barely lasts after it ends. Mary sees someone who offers them a bit of sympathy and immediately starts showering them with love. They were desperate for this connection, no matter how much they might’ve been denying it.
Which makes it even more tragic when Elo falls.
No matter how much ‘divine wrath’ they instilled upon the world during that arc, this is when Mary finally felt humanity again. Since the day of their ascension (which for all we know could’ve been well over a month ago!!) they’ve been living as a divine being, despite their body still being mortal. Sure, many things changed once they rose to power, but its clear that they haven’t fully transformed. There are changes, and they’re definitely the most powerful of the divine characters we know, but their power level is still oddly close to the lower deities considering their status as Parkour God.
They aren’t fully divine, which isn’t actually something we get much info on, though many visual clues point towards their distaste of fully embracing godhood and god boots being the reason for this. I am absolutely insane about the fact that the writers refuse to elaborate on Mary’s divinity because there’s !! So much we don’t know. I really hope this gets expanded on in the reboot ;(
When Elo falls, Mary doesn’t visit. They lose that one piece of humanity they had, but this time, they’ve tasted enough to realise their yearning for it. And so, the Mark persona is born. It says a lot that we basically know nothing about their life as a pro, and says even more that they themselves barely seem to remember it. Not in a typical way, they do recall people and events, but they fully cannot piece back together the person they used to be. A few of the background characters remark on how Mark has changed, but chuck it up to the chaos of the godless era. They no longer know who they were – in a way, they’re rediscovering themselves in this new role of God alongside the viewers, who have a similar level of knowledge about pre-godhood Mark. Which is pretty much zero.
So, who does Mark end up being? An exaggerated idea of humanity. They’re odd, a bit off-putting, but generally seen as just a bit of a funky and harmless weirdo. Mark tries so hard to blend in by simply repeating the things he’s noticed others like – but by looking solely at the moments which get most attention and laughs, he completely misses the mundane aspects of being mortal. In a way, Mark’s an amazing human disguise when it comes to their odd bits of personality, but they lack the casual and mundane parts, which makes them feel odd and unnatural to others. They’ve forgotten what it’s like to be human, and their notes are faulty.
With both the Mary and Mark side of this character established, it’s time to repeat my point – neither of them are the true Mary. The truth lies somewhere inbetween. ‘Mary’ is them desperately trying to be a god, and ‘Mark’ is them desperately trying to be a human. Their whole issue stems from not being able to fully embrace godhood, being stuck between two worlds with no real place to be. Maybe that’s why there are so many new deities and other divine-esque beings. Maybe Mary’s just observing them, hoping to find a way to exist without fully detaching themselves from their humanity.
To summarize, we know exactly as much about Mary as they do – which is not much. I see many ways for their story to go. They could embrace divinity and gain a higher level of power, or they could do the opposite and forfeit godhood in the name of humanity. Maybe they manage to find a way to exist in this odd space between two worlds they’ve found themselves in. Maybe something completely different will happen. The longer the series goes on, the more the lines between Mary and Mark blur, which makes me believe that it’s building up to some sort of big moment – especially if you remember that no matter how blurred the lines are for us, the characters still act as if Mary and Mark were separate people during the important scenes.
There’s still a lot to be explored about them, and I hope the writers don’t butcher my beloved babygirl :((((( they don’t deserve it!! Skew traumatized them so bad. I hope Elocom is endgame and Skewlocom burns in superhell <3 Also I literally can't stand the people who say they don't "get" Mary like bitch be for real with me!! Their character is literally so easy to understand its sooo annoying like wdym they're complicated. They're literally just stuck between two worlds. That's so simple it's got the number 2 in it, which is a low number. Which means its not complicated. Idiots.
Sometimes I just have to think about the foreshadowing that went into Pythia becoming the Narrator... Bun was introduced as a gimmick character that was mainly there for exposition through boos attempts to help the other characters around angel. She always had a Knack for what was going on at any given time, and in episodes like s5e9 and even as early as s3e1, we see xem refer to things characters are going through in places far away from where Pythia was with no way to Know without having been there.
Some of it got explained away as Pythia being a literal witch, but it still resonates as foreshadowing to that aspect of xyr future. Like the teleportation habit. Where she would just... pop up unexpectedly before disappearing later in a little flurry of sparkles.
Pythia means so much to me yall
Not sure how coherent this post is but I just... Pythia <3
Burdensome Divinity
A PCFC fic for the background characters
what are your thoughts on starboard(the best eldritch entity frfr)
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It is glorious.
(Does Starboard often staying unused and uninvolved in the main plot—from an in-story perspective—feel like an analogy for a supreme all-knowing and all-judging and absentee Father of a Christian God and criticism about him? Yeah
Which makes the moments when Starboard actually communicates anything sensical and relevant to the current strife or questions of the characters all the more important.
It is basically a parent that can and will just let you fail and watch you do so without guilt or remorse—tossing the many gods in our main cast into the woods with a single phone to call it that they cannot charge and driving away to let them figure everything out themselves without any single all-powerful guide to give them any answers.)

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appreciation post for these guys because they make really silly background characters in this scene!
i feel like a lot of people completely forget about ethan's whole prison arc. He was in the LOWEST LEVEL of the prison but had No Idea why he was there. He was so deep underground that he got decompression sickness. We see him tell Skew and Bridge probably 15 different stories but he doesn't have any sort of proof for any of them? He knew secrets that he had no way of hearing but had no concept of how the world had begun to work after he'd been locked up. Do you think he had a family on the surface? Did he have friends? Did he get a trial or did they just lock him up?? Is he actually guilty?? I'm hoping in this reboot they finally explain literally any of this
tbh ethan deserves better all around like i think the writers just put him in there to suffer
Tbh probably like what could he have possibly done to warrant being kept in a cage HUNDREDS OF FEET UNDERGROUND?? and then if he was innocent? It's lowkey implied that he's way way older than he looks so like- he could have spent hundreds of years down there too just doing jumps over the pit. Imagine if he'd never met skew and got him to free him...
wow yeah... i mean normally i'd say any character would've been better off not meeting skew but ethan might be the exception to that
Literally, even after all the pain skew caused him, it was either a few moments of pain or an eternity of hell so he had to pick one or the other
o/ hey got any thoughts on 2block? do u think gambling shouldve been made illegal? idk i have my own Opinions i wanna hear other fans' thoughts.
hm… a fan of the early seasons, i see—i also miss the early seasons
2block’s space-themed casino was a beautiful setting and i wish we had gotten more episodes set there—super unfortunate and messed up that Mary was used as a mouthpiece by the show runners to clarify to the child audience that shouldn’t even be watching this show hello where the hell are your parents this show has gore, violence, drugs, hand-holding, murder, alcohol, torture, and themes of existentialism and self destruction why are the tiny edgelords here that gambling was bad and then used to destroy and erase from existence the space casino :(
with absolutely no hope for it to come back (by making the rest of the cast act out of character [this was when the writing quality was actually decent] by having no one try to oppose mary’s anti-gambling will). really messed up 2block’s plot threads and left it stranded </3
I see it in the background often for the rest of the series but it’s just not the same, feels like the writers didn’t know what to do with it after they wrote out its main passions and character core of persuading the cast to sacrifice everything to gain huge reward (i suspect the prevalent hanging gold star decorations and lava lamp pipes of the casino were set up for imply a connection between 2block and the unseen but real Big Gods like Starboard and Trout God) so seeing it be relegated to the background is sad… at least this is why fanfiction and fan-canon exists!
hi so um. i just got caught up on all of the seasons of pcfc and... is it just me who's seeing the thing in the background? i swear it's in every episode...
hm? you mean the slinky cat thing? /lh
yeah, i love that guy! one of the best reoccurring background characters—very interesting visuals, i wish the show runners would answer any questions about it in their AMAs and convention panels. Since every character we see, even in the background, probably were meant to have relevance and be the focus of an episode at some point… yet again, Slinky Cat Thing (i think he’s meant to be named cinnamon or cinq or something like that, again, show runners and writers refuse to acknowledge SCT exists unfortunately so we don’t actually know) shows the wasted potential that PCFC is full of </3
i need to know your thoughts on bridge
(@axopostssometimes btw i just cant ask as a sideblog)
I think that bridge is a good morally grey system, and fits in among the cast as someone that may not be trying to become a god but instead is trying to find acceptance among people that match and can even outfreak him
I think that really does a lot to set him apart from others, and really paints a stark contrast between Bridge and the other alters—like Evil Alter who actually IS trying to achieve godhood by ripping it out of some other god’s being and Seawatt who already has a sense of security in his identity and doesn’t need acceptance from the other cast members
(This personally helps make sense why Skew likes Bridge and hates Seawatt and has no opinion on Evil Alter—Seawatt doesn’t need him! But Bridge and Evil Alter both have something to gain from Skew and that reassures Skew that they won’t leave him.)
I loathe his infantilization though—I get that Bridge is younger mentally in comparison to Evil Alter and Seawatt, but Bridge isn’t a 5-year old, Bridge is self-sufficient and could emancipate himself and be perfectly fine (in fact, i personally suspect and headcanon that he IS already emancipated from parental care) and his autism is NOT a good reason to babify him.
Bridge even when he’s the one in front does a lot of crimes and atrocities, not just Evil Alter. (Seawatt is surprisingly the least problematic alter.)

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"Who am I to you?"
To everyone saying pcfc ran for longer than 10 seasons:
Uh, wrong actually. To me,
guys check out my pcfc glacier! if you dont know what at least 80% of these are youre a fake fan
The seasons wherein all of this happened are the only important ones, sorry not sorry
Who else’s day was ruined by discovering the confirmed news that a reboot of PCFC was greenlit and is currently in production?
(I guess the show WAS running a bit too long and the writers probably wanted to start over and work with a blank slate… but damn. Season 10 practically saved the show for me and gave me hope that things were looking up but I guess we’ll have to take all that hope and push it on the reboot.)
i for one am so fucking excited for the reboot. there are just SO many og plotlines, arcs, etc. they have a lot of characters theyre trying to do justice at the SAME TIME and its got to be stressful tbh. im happy!! i hope it does them all good
if they dont write backwards into the plot im gonna cry
Oh my god BACKWARDS!!!
i forgot they got written out mid-way through the show’s run… (sorry king, I swear I didn’t mean to forget you!!) it felt so natural and normal when mew returned to the main cast in the specials… hopefully purrs return in the reboot will be glorious!
a comprehensive essay on dr. rabbit's (pcfc) arc since no one talks about it enough
so the first time we see him is in season three, episode seven in the background reacting to the ongoing scene before being pulled into the drama (being accused of throwing apples when he was actually handing them out) he's only on screen for a few minutes but we actually learn a lot about him in this episode, first off, we learn that he's a doctor (evident in his name) but also not, considering not only is he able to hold the apples with no issue but he also brushes off the question when asked, instead reiterating that he was gently handing out the apples, this leads me to believe that he may had lost his medical license, perchance in a tragic way that makes him not want to talk about it, maybe he's embarrassed, or maybe he wants to continue practicing unlicensed and doesn't want to get shut down, we also don't know what kind of doctor he is, but he certainly doesn't seem professional, secondly we learn that he has a violence curfew, making him not allowed to commit acts of violence between 10 pm and 1 am, and he therefore refuses to help skew in that scene, this not only shows that he has a strict code that he follows, whether there's consequences to violating this curfew or not, and we also know he's prone to violence enough for this curfew to exist. the next time we see him outside of minor background appearances is in season seven, episode 20, where he's showing the cast his sketches, and while he seems very happy to show them, the act of him throwing them across the room for the others to see conveys something else, does he feel like the drawings deserve punishment? is he scared of them?? or does he simply like to throw things referencing back to the violence curfew? we may never know, but what we do know is that he likes to draw the final time we see him (so far) is in season fifteen, episode thirty two, where he gets shot in the background of a chase scene and is never seen again, as far as i can tell going frame by frame, he does only get shot in the arm but we haven't seen him again yet so i'm unsure if this was the authors' way of killing off the character or if we'll see him again but if we do i hope his arc will continue so he gets a satisfying conclusion, it would be a shame to kill off a character with all this mystery around him.
Never stop being passionate about Dr. Rabbit please! This is such a good examination of the sheer amount of implications that pcfc gives even minor and background characters, we know so much about Dr.Rabbit despite him having a speaking role just… three times.
scene redraw from season 3 episode 7
he clearly offered the apple very nicely

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Pythia from PCFC is such a fun character concept?
Like, the show writers really created a character that not only is morally dubious at best (love boo for that fr) but still tries to do things for the benefit of others. And on top of that, they handed her the ability to just. Air other characters dirty laundry.
I know part of it is just like really shittily done exposition dumps bcuz she joined s3 where the show suddenly took a serious tone and they needed to do character building Quick, but whilst doing that, bun still gets to come across as buns own character.
And they let them be wrong too! And that provides really interesting conversations! Niki was the first person the analysis was mostly wrong about and that just went to improve Niki's character depth.
Pythia is just sooo precious to me
Who else’s day was ruined by discovering the confirmed news that a reboot of PCFC was greenlit and is currently in production?
(I guess the show WAS running a bit too long and the writers probably wanted to start over and work with a blank slate… but damn. Season 10 practically saved the show for me and gave me hope that things were looking up but I guess we’ll have to take all that hope and push it on the reboot.)