Mindful learning - A conversation with Craig Hassed and Richard Chambers
As a follow up from our post that introduced the term 'Mindful Learning' to our CoLearnrs, we had the opportunity to interview the authors Hassed and Chambers about their new book.
Whilst we recognise mindfulness as a current buzzword â in the discipline of education it is less known. Why do you think itâs taken this long to hit education?
Mindfulness is not less well known in the education field than in other fields in Australia and particularly in Melbourne â quite the opposite. An increasing number of major schools here are looking to integrate mindfulness into core curriculum time for example as a way of fostering wellbeing, improving study and learning, and enhancing communication and relationship development. It is seen as a generic life-skill with many important particular applications relevant to education and childhood development.
At the start of the book you talk about paying attention. I remember being in class and not really focusing or paying attention. I guess I knew that I could download the lecture notes go over it later. When in class, are there any short, quick mindful techniques a learner can use to bring their attention back to the present.
It is good to start a class with a short period of mindfulness so that a childâs mind, not to mention the teacherâs, can arrive in the room along with the body. Studies suggest that this alone can enhance learning and memory during the class. The teacher needs to be mindful while teaching so that they can set a positive example for the children rather than a negative one. During any activity being able to notice the attention going off is important and the senses â seeing, hearing, touching, tasting and smelling â are always a gateway back to the present moment. That is why we speak of coming to our senses.
The comparison of life to a book was one I found really interesting. A book has commas and full stops and so should we - take that minute out of the day. Itâs a great thought, but when youâre 18 with 14 exams over 2 weeks that essentially dictate your future itâs difficult to tell someone to stop. What would you say to such a person?
Yes, the momentum for unceasing and frenetic activity, especially in periods of high demand like exam time, is tempting, but itâs counterproductive as far as learning and memory are concerned. These times of maximum demand are when we need it the most. There is not a Formula 1 driver in the world who drives with the foot on the accelerator the whole time but doesnât also use the brake pedal just as much. Multitasking then compounds the problem. Rather than just telling a student not to do that a mindfulness approach would help the student to be more aware of how they are using their and the effect that it is have on how they feel and function. You can then help them to do experiments in short mindfulness practices and invite them to reflect on how that makes them feel and function. Once the student truly sees what is going on they will make their own choice
The chapter on the relationship of stress and performance was one I related too. The fear of relaxing as itâs seen a mindless state and the need for stress to motivate me. The Yerkes-Dodson diagram which shows with little stress comes no performance, then looking at the Hassed diagram you see there is a way to be stress free but have a high performance. You end the chapter with advice on taking time to settle and focus before embarking on anything. Can your elaborate further on how to âsettle and focusâ?
Before starting something important it is good to stop first. Some people call it centring, others focusing, others calming. We can just take a few moments to notice where the mind is, what our emotional state is and then find something in the present moment to engage the attention with such as the breath. In the process we just unhook from any thoughts and feelings that might arise â noticing them but not getting caught up in them. Then, after the allotted time, gently transfer the attention to the job in front of you and move through it one step at a time
You go through the cost of being unmindful and say âthere is nothing useful, enjoyable and fulfilling about living in the darkâ â well put. For me, I have heard of mindfulness before and decided to start to make small changes, things like not listening to music when Iâm walking home or turning my phone off when sitting and talking to a group of people. Iâve seen the difference. At first I didnât realise how much time I was spending in default mode. How would you urge people to make that first step in being mindful, whether thatâs in an education related sense or not?Â
Mindfulness meditation is sometimes called the formal practice of mindfulness and paying attention in daily life is sometimes called the informal practice. When walking in the park then feel the air, hear the sounds, smell the smells. This will put some space into the mind and into the day but it will also help to cultivate a state of mind that will be more useful and responsive. Unconsciously we nearly fill every spare moment with multitasking, worry and anticipation. Multitasking often takes up a lot of the time because it masquerades as a something useful like a full or productive life whereas the opposite is the case. Worry often gets attention because it masquerades as something useful like work or planning. If we really saw what was going on and the cost of it then we wouldnât do it.
The chapter on E-mindfulness in incredibly current. You mention that technology can encourage a passive learning style - tuning out is fine but what your brain practises gets hardwired. You write about using technology in an intentionally more active and engaging way. This brings me to the topic of e-learning. Things like MOOCS, and other online courses are popular and successful. Do you have any advice for people building and creating online courses?
Ration screen time and punctuate the online learning with lots of opportunity for direct and tactile interaction with people and varied learning activities. Learning by doing goes a lot deeper than learning just by watching or interacting with a screen. One other important issue is to design online and MOOCS courses that foster uni rather than multitasking in the way the material is presented and the student engages with the interface â linear, stepwiseâŚ
Thank you very much for your time. I am sure our CoLearnrs would enjoy and benefit from your book like us.








