im not reblogging that again because it's so long (OCD thing, I'm glad you're writing so much this is just an easier way for me to continue talking) but I think you completely understand my point and I agree with a majority of yours. I just disagree on using those specific terms to describe it. You're right that my whiteness changes how I experience oppression, we both agree there, I just don't think there needs to be a unique intersectional term for it nor should one exist for both that and maleness changing oppression. Specifically I don't believe there needs to be a term like transmisandry or transandrophobia because those terms came coined from MRA people that were saying it in a misogynistic context, and they feel like dogwhistles in modern use as well. I think it would be easier to discuss these topics without using those terms, because it makes it sound like men are oppressed for being men which we aren't. Misogynoir and transmisogyny combines two axises of oppression into its own unique term, and I think we need to find something similar to describe when only 1 axis of oppression is being combined with an axis of privilege. which is why specifically in the context of trans masculinity, we should use the term transemasculation. that was my original feelings on the language being used, my first post was a nitpick on those that use the language being the major voices when describing exorsexism
I just don't think there needs to be a unique intersectional term for it
well of course you dont think being white and oppressed across lines of gender or class needs a unique intersectional label because whiteness is treated as the default which results in a situation wherein we exceptionalize antiblack racism and treat it as a wholely separate issue instead of addressing it as an issue of feminism people treat it as an issue of black feminism
this is an inherently flawed way to view intersectionality that it only matters and is worth addressing when one is not a part of the group treated as default when it matters always and should be addressed always actually
Specifically I don't believe there needs to be a term like transmisandry or transandrophobia because those terms came coined from MRA people that were saying it in a misogynistic context
this is actually even less true than you probably intended and directly and provable untrue in the way you stated it transandrophobia was coined here on tumblr by a trans man of color discussing it in an explicitly racialized context to describe his own experiences as well as many others not an MRA person saying it in a misogynistic context even transmisandry was not coined by mras but again by trans men to describe their own experiences
the thing you likely meant (being charitable here) is that misandry was coined by mras using it in explicitly misogynistic ways and thus transmisandry must have similar purposes except what context a word is used in does actually change why and how a word is used ergo transmisandry doesnt remotely have to carry the same implications that misandry does as the result of the words use and abuse by mras like some people seem to believe in fact transmisandry is a wholely separate word
but even within the charitable interpretation youre again more wrong than you likely know because misandry wasnt coined by mras but by male feminists long before it was ever adopted and abused of its meaning by mras
they feel like dog whistles in modern use as well
right and this is what i meant earlier when i said i understand the knee jerk reaction but its important that when you are talking social theory you actually consider the context and usage of a word in order to determine how and why its actually being used because one is a term stolen by mras from feminists in order to complain about aggrieved masculinity and the feeling they are not given what they feel theyre owed by the patriarchy and the other is a term created within a racialized context to describe a very real phenomenon common for (but not exclusive to) trans men and especially trans men of color to experience so that they can better explain their lived experiences
if you felt it was a dog whistle then you should question if it is in any regard being used in similar ways has anyone??? who is to be taken seriously on the matter ever said for instance that transandrophobia is when i dont get bitches or even said anything implying as much??? what evidence is there for you that theses terms have shared implications
because it makes it sound like men are oppressed for being men which we aren't.
right ive said this multiple times and i dont think you are actually grasping what im saying because yes men are oppressed for being men oppressed men are men and they are oppressed and it is because they are men in a minority group not because they are in a minority group their gender cannot be meaningfully separated from their specific unique form of oppression that is what intersectionality means
Misogynoir and transmisogyny combines two axises of oppression into its own unique term
again not to be pedantic but no they do not they do not create a unique term for two combined experiences misogynoir describes one experience transmisogyny describes one experience it may seem like theres not a real distinction between these two concepts but i assure you that is quite literally the point of intersectionality that one is not racism affected and sexism affected but misogynoir affected
and I think we need to find something similar to describe when only 1 axis of oppression is being combined with an axis of privilege
right but its not tho thats not whats happening again when racialized men and women are portrayed as overtly and overly masculine in negative ways that is not emasculation it is treating masculinity as bad and using that as a cudgel to oppress people and this as well happens invariably to queer people of every sort and even in fact to cishet people
that is the term misandry describes the reason the term was coined before it was stolen and misabused of its meaning by mras and in the context of trans men that is what transandrophobia describes as well
and we do have other terms for that such as anti trans masculinity
and the people who are major voices in discussing exorsexism address transandrophobia because they are willing to critique feminism as its constructed in primarily exorsexist ways and as well discuss ways in which people are oppressed under the patriarchy not simply because of their relationship to femininity
you would never get to where we are in discussing exorsexism if we were not as well discussing transandrophobia full stop