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"You see me, father? I am a desert creature"
Muad'dib
“Squeeze…not exterminate…You must be the carnivore…A carnivore never stops. Show no mercy…Mercy is a chimera. It can be defeated but the stomach rumbling its hunger…You must always be hungry and thirsty. Like me.” -The Baron Vladimir Harkonnen to his nephew, Beast Rabban from Dune by Frank Herbert
“Someday I’ll catch that man without a quotation and he’ll look underdressed” - Duke Leto, about Gurney Halleck.
I’ve just realised how significant Gurney’s quotes and music are.
Gurney was born into Harkonnen slavery, and lived his life in a slave pit until Duke Leto got him out. There’s no way that he would have been educated in music and literature, and Leto would have focused on Gurney’s value as a warrior.
Which means that Gurney being a well-read musician was his own choice. This man was born a slave, scarred by Beast Rabban’s inkvine whip, grew up a deadly fighter. But when he got his freedom, he learned to sing and play the baliset, and he read classical literature.
Could he even read when he got out of the slave pit? Who taught him?
There’s no way he’d have seen a baliset as a slave, so at some point post-Leto-rescue he saw one and thought ‘I want to play that’. Someone would have taught him that as well.
Just. A man who’s survived a lot of abuse and violence deciding that he doesn’t just want to be a fighter, he wants to sing and play music and read books. Every time a soldier requests a song from him, it’s a validation of the man he’s become in the time since he escaped Giedi Prime.

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Muad'Dib could indeed, see the Future, but you must understand the limits of this power. Think of sight. You have eyes, yet cannot see without light. If you are on the floor of a valley, you cannot see beyond your valley. Just so, Muad'Dib could not always choose to look across the mysterious terrain. He tells us that a single obscure decision of prophecy, perhaps the choice of one word over another, could change the entire aspect of the future. He tells us "The vision of time is broad, but when you pass through it, time becomes a narrow door." And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning "That path leads ever down into stagnation." -from "Arrakis Awakening" by the Princess Irulan
(From Dune)
Leto & Jessica Atreides, Dune 2021 (dir. Denis Villeneuve)
"Leto, my Leto, she thought. What terrible things we do to those we love!" – Lady Jessica, Dune by Frank Herbert.
Remembering the letter, Paul re-experienced the distress of that moment – a thing sharp and strange that seemed to happen outside his new mental alertness. He had read that his father was dead, known the truth of the words, but had felt them as no more than another datum to be entered in his mind and used.
I loved my father, Paul thought, and knew this for truth. I should mourn him. I should feel something.
But he felt nothing except: Here's an important fact.
It was one with all the other facts.
All the while his mind was adding sense impressions, extrapolating, computing.
Halleck's words came back to Paul: 'Mood's a thing for cattle or for making love. You fight when the necessity arises, no matter your mood.'
Perhaps that's it, Paul thought. I'll mourn my father later . . . when there's time.
But he felt no letup in the cold precision of his being. He sensed that his new awareness was only a beginning, that it was growing. The sense of terrible purpose he'd first experienced in his ordeal with the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam pervaded him. His right hand – the hand of remembered pain – tingled and throbbed.
Is this what it is to be their Kwisatz Haderach? he wondered.
Dune, by Frank Herbert (1965)
In raising Paul up to near-godly levels of control over an interstellar empire, Herbert was not promoting fantasies of imperial power through going native. Rather, he was deconstructing them. Paul’s precognition and his seizure of power combined proves to be unmanageable because all the possible futures revealed to him are terrifying. Furthermore, he now has the power to choose which of these futures will happen: he is responsible for every potential outcome. He makes himself into a tyrant, despot, and messiah to get revenge and power; but once he achieves these goals his future stretches out before him as a career of endless violence, escalation, atrocity, exploitation of superstition that he knows to be untrue, and tyranny on a galactic scale. With power, it turns out, comes not only responsibility, but also a kind of constraint, as various imperial powers have experienced in the Middle East over the past century. [...] In late-nineteenth and early-twentieth-century European empires, positivist fantasies of native knowledge contrasted with realities of violence, atrocity, and incomprehension. Dune takes this connection a step further by suggesting that even the emperor, who is able to combine native knowledge with complete scientific understanding, cannot escape the violence and blowback that comes with imperial power.
'Going Native' with Dune’s Paul Atreides (Blog of the Centre for Imperial and Global History at the University of Exeter)
Interesting Dune thing I caught while doing a re-skim of the first book: Jessica doesn't initially know that the Bene Gesserit have been at work on Arrakis until they get there and she meets Shadout Mapes.
Now, I don't know if this is canon exactly but I've always interpreted Jessica as being somewhat bitter about her BG education. While she always sticks closely to it because obviously, it's basically all she was raised on, it feels to me kind of like her marriage to Leto was more a means of getting away from that than a means towards gaining power for herself on the BG's behalf. Her having a son, while done for her love of Leto, was also something of a rebellion - even if she wasn't intending to create the KH, surely she knew it was a possibility deep down. At the very least she knew it was an act of defiance against them. But it still seems to me like she wanted nothing to do with the BG shit and just have her family and illegal son in peace.
So imagine her knowing her family is going to this hostile planet in a journey that's potentially/probably a trap devised by their enemies to begin with, and then on top of that her weird illegal son might actually be the super being she didn't want him to be-- and then oh fuck that fake religion she's sort of involved with is here too and her weird illegal super being son is also maybe their messiah. There's no escape.
2 other things.
One, I do kind of wish the movies had kept in the detail (or mentioned it I guess, seeing as there isn't exactly anything that contradicts it either) of Chani being Liet Kynes' daughter. Because Kynes is initially presented almost like a religious leader himself at the beginning, with the Fremen following him and his version of the "green Arrakis" dream. (which, I should note, I'm not actually clear on the origins of -- because it could be yet another Bene Gesserit-related thing, but what I've more understood it as is something that the Fremen, under the right leadership, would ideally work towards very gradually and in a way that didn't disrupt the natural ecosystem too much, but also increased the availability of water. The issue then being that when Paul does it, he's coming at it from an outsider/colonizer standpoint rather than doing it the way the people of that planet actually *wanted* it to happen)
So especially with the way Denis chose to depict her in the movies, I'm actually surprised they didn't cement Kyne's connection with Chani. Because think of how much more layered that would make her perspective of things -- her father (or mother in the films) was already a leader of the Fremen and already someone trying to fix the issue of water scarcity. Someone who is treated with reverence and respect by her people. And then Paul comes along.
Two, another book-film difference that I don't have much opinion about re: whether it should've been changed or not but I just thought it was interesting -- in the movie it sort of seems like Leto is oblivious to the whole "this entire planet thinks Paul is a messiah" thing, but in the book that isn't the case. He finds out about the so-called superstitions of the Fremen pretty early on and in fact tells Paul he should use them to his advantage if need be. There's literally a scene where he's like "yeah I might die because the Harkonnens have totally set us up, if that happens our whole house might fall to ruin and you'll basically need to go rogue so maybe try using that 'I'm a prophet' thing to win people over". Which is. Hm . Pretty dark when you think about it. (but does also give another interesting layer as to why Paul ultimately does Just That -- among many many other things, his dad literally told him to.)
@fuckyeahisawthat hmmmmmm
I do wish the movies had worked in the truth of Liet being Chani's parent, and I think that could have gone further in radicalizing (? not the right word but I hope my point still comes across) Chani.
Because in a way, Liet was kinda an outsider as well... his father Pardot was an imperial planetologist, and he's the one who initially started preaching the idea of turning Arrakis into a paradise (through his leadership and guidance, of course). And I think I remember in the books it being mentioned the the Fremen wanted to slowly terraform a small part of the planet?
Either way, it is Pardot's teachings for paradise that really started paving the way for Paul to take advantage, and Liet only later took up his father's mantle.
And so having a mother (in the movies) who comes from this outsider who used a Fremen dream to spread his own gospel might make Chani resist and believe even more fiercely in the Fremen. Or, (or and, if you want to make things complicated!) having her mother killed by Harkonens (but because she helped Paul) might deepen her mistrust and resentment of Paul.
I don't know, I just sort of wish more had been done with the fact that Chani is Liet's daughter. Although, in the books, there didn't seem to be much of a point in them being related, so maybe that's why Denis dropped it.
A thing the Villeneuve movies do a lot is sort of shuffle around who gets which character traits from the books. Book Leto comes off as a lot more cynical and self-aware about the fact that power requires propaganda and manipulation. Movie Leto seems like someone who might genuinely believe his own hype about being a benevolent imperialist, while the more shrewd and calculating nature goes to Jessica.
Kynes is somewhat different between the book and movie too, and I think the differences are interesting. The book goes out of its way to tell us that Pardot Kynes, Liet's father, was an outworlder who never really learned Fremen ways, couldn't ride a worm, etc. But Liet Kynes was born on Arrakis and considers himself Fremen. "I am a desert creature," he thinks about himself as he's dying, and he refers to the Fremen (in a kind of paternalistic way) as "my Fremen." Movie Kynes was not born on Arrakis ("been here twenty years" Thufir Hawat says about her). She, like Paul, is someone whose loyalty has shifted from colonizer to colonized through the experience of living among the Fremen on Arrakis. I too think it would have been interesting to have movie Chani confirmed to be Kynes's daughter; one can easily imagine that the unnamed "Fremen warrior [she] loved and lost in battle" that Paul mentions is Chani's father. (This is the headcanon I use in my fic). I think it would fit really well with Chani's willingness to give Paul a chance to prove himself trustworthy. She already knows an outworlder who became Fremen.
The way the terraforming of Arrakis is presented in the books has been rattling around in my brain since I visited the Oregon dunes, and I recently went back and read a bunch of the sections of the book that talk about it. In the book it is very clearly Pardot Kynes's idea and to me there is a real tinge of "benevolent outsider bringing Science and Progress to the natives" to it--especially to the idea that the only way to ensure multiple generations of Fremen would cooperate with this project is to turn it into a quasi-religious mission. Which Kynes very explicitly talks about doing--but NOT connected to the Lisan al-Gaib myth, but rather as a completely separate set of introduced beliefs. The connection between the two sets of ideas is something the movie adds. There is a hefty dose of paternalism in the way book Kynes talks about the Fremen and educating them about the ecology of their own planet. (This tracks with the way in which the book is sympathetic to the Fremen but doesn't give them a lot of agency--after watching the movies it is really striking how much the Fremen in the book are a medium for various outsiders to act upon.) But also, notably, Liet Kynes dies halfway through the book--literally swallowed by the desert he sought to control.
To me all the terraforming stuff really highlights some of the unresolved tensions in Frank Herbert's politics around imperialism, environmentalism and solidarity with indigenous people--including how his politics shifted between the mid-1950s when he started doing the research for Dune and the late 1960s when he published Dune Messiah. (For more on that I highly HIGHLY recommend this article.)
I am SUPER curious how the terraforming is going to be presented in Villeneuve Dune Messiah. Is it an idea that originated with the Fremen, based on their own knowledge of their planet's history and ecology, or was introduced from the outside? If so, by whom and for what purpose? Is the message going to be more along the lines of "it's foolish to think any humans can have control over nature; there will always be unintended consequences" or "this could have been done in a sustainable manner but colonizers in their hubris fucked it all up"? Which way you spin it can really change the political message of this part of the story.

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It is said that the Duke Leto blinded himself to the perils of Arrakis, that he walked heedlessly into the pit. Would it not be more likely to suggest he had lived for so long in the presence of extreme danger he misjudged a change in its intensity? Or is it possible he deliberately sacrificed himself that his son might find a better life? All evidence indicates the Duke was a man not easily hoodwinked.
—Dune (1965) by Frank Herbert
From “Muad’Dib: Family Commentaries” by the Princess Irulan
Jessica spoke, shattering the moment. “Besides, Wellington, the Duke is really two men. One of them I love very much. He’s charming, witty, considerate… tender—everything a woman could desire. But the other man is… cold, callous, demanding, selfish—as harsh and cruel as a winter wind. That’s the man shaped by the father.” Her face contorted. “If only that man had died when my Duke was born!”
-Dune by Frank Herbert
#Inktober Day 3- The Shadout Mapes, the aged #Fremen housekeeper of the #Atraides castle in #Arkakeem, is more than what she seems, as told by the sacred Crysknife she hides within her robes. A #blade made from the tooth, of A MAKER....
“ I remember salt smoke from a beach fire
And shadows under the pines—
Solid, clean… fixed—
Seagulls perched at the tip of land
White upon green…
And a wind comes through the pines
To sway the shadows;
The seagulls spread their wings,
Lift
And fill the sky with screeches.
And I hear the wind
Blowing across our beach,
And the surf,
And I see that our fire
Has scorched the seaweed.”

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The old woman was let in by the side door down the vaulted passage by Paul's room and she was allowed a moment to peer in at him where he lay in his bed.
By the half-light of a suspensor lamp, dimmed and hanging near the floor, the awakened boy could see a bulky female shape at his door, standing one step ahead of his mother. The old woman was a witch shadow - hair like matted spiderwebs, hooded round darkness of features, eyes like glittering jewels.
"Is he not small for his age, Jessica? the old woman asked. Her voice wheezed and twanged like an untuned baliset.
Paul's mother answered in her soft contralto: The Atreides are known to start late getting their growth, Your Reverence?
‘So I've heard, so I've heard,' wheezed the old woman. "Yet he's already fifteen.’
'Yes, Your Reverence.'
‘He's awake and listening to us, said the old woman. 'Sly little rascal. She chuckled. 'But royalty has need of slyness. And if he's really the Kwisatz Haderach... well...’
Within the shadows of his bed, Paul held his eyes open to mere slits. Two bird-bright ovals - the eyes of the old woman - seemed to expand and glow as they stared into his.
'Sleep well, you sly little rascal,' said the old woman. "Tomorrow you'll need all your faculties to meet my gom jabbar.'
And she was gone, pushing his mother out, closing the door with a solid thump.
Dune - Frank Herbert
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