I don’t know how to start this so I’m just gonna jump right into it, their argument about tr!ros not really listening to tr!aimsey is so interesting because ros is misunderstanding what aimsey’s means by listening, ros assumes they mean not literally listening or not listening to anything they say, when they don’t mean that, yes, ros, and everyone else, do listen and they do take some of the stuff they say in, they don’t take the rest of that information in, the actual important information in, and ros is sadly the one who does this most, because ros is the one they try to talk to the most and try to get through to the most, so she ends up the one not really listening and dismissing it most.

Then later, ros brings it back up to clown as well as saying to him that aimsey has just been keeping her company while he’s been gone, which she definitely didn’t mean to sound like that, but it’s clear that that’s how it came across to aimsey and you can’t really blame them, since the way it was worded along with aimsey’s current mindset towards how they’re thought of by others, that something meant completely harmlessly and kindly can be misinterpreted like that through the lens aimsey is seeing it from. And when aimsey even starts to mention it, ros instantly gets defensive and raises her voice to do so, she is always so quick to defend herself, because to her, she’s not doing anything wrong, that she can’t actually consider her actions having mistakes or consequences, her first thought isn’t to try to comfort aimsey and reassure them that’s not what they meant, she just instantly goes “aimsey no” because one of ros’s main problems is that she can’t see her faults, she’s trying to do good, so why would anyone get upset, it just constantly happens where she can’t see why aimsey is upset at her actions and words, because she didn’t mean it that way and to her, she’s just doing a good thing, so why would anyone be upset by it, and she shows that in the way she first responds to those criticisms, which is to deny them, not reassurance or to explain, just to deny, because she doesn’t want anyone taking her the wrong way even though that she’s failing to see they maybe it’s not her actions being taken the wrong way but just her actions themselves being wrong.

Ros also says, to explain her getting loud, that aimsey makes her angry, which is because she is always defending herself to aimsey, due to their criticisms of ros and her thoughts and plans, but ros doesn’t process the criticisms, so just looks back on her getting defensive as her getting upset and angry because of aimsey, because her mind refuses to acknowledge the flaws in her ideas and any criticism of those flaws.

And to bring up to clown how aimsey said she doesn’t listen to them is similar to how she brought up her fight with aimsey to bad and pili, these are things that are between aimsey and ros and are personal things and problems and shouldn’t be said to other people constantly, like in bad & pili’s case as it literally being the reason they fought in the first place and directly said by aimsey to ros how they don’t want anyone to know what happened, and this time with clown, it being brought up almost in a dismissive way, as basically saying to clown “aimsey said I don’t listen to them, can you believe that” which is still coming from that misunderstanding about what was meant by listening, but even if ros was right about how it was meant, it still shouldn’t be said to other people, especially after already making it clear last time with saying to bad & pili.

And after that, aimsey walks away and lets ros and clown continue talking, which of course ros doesn’t do and instantly comes to talk to aimsey, because ros genuinely wants to and is trying to fix this but she just can’t, and she can’t see that she can’t and won’t be able to until she addresses her very flawed world view and ideals. And then the first thing she says is saying sorry for if she said the wrong thing, which you can see she’s trying to apologise and doesn’t want aimsey to be upset but again she has no idea what she’s done wrong, because she can’t say, she doesn’t start off with anything she’s actually done wrong, she just said “if I said the wrong thing” which not only is not actually addressing anything but it’s not even admitting that she did say the wrong things, she’s saying IF she said the wrong thing, even in the actual apology itself, she still can’t see any of what she did wrong. And when they start talking and aimsey is clearly very frustrated, because they’ve had this conversation so SO many times now, and asks what was it she’s apologising for and ros, again with no realisation for her mistakes, asks did she make it weird, which she very obviously did, and she keeps apologising for it. Which aimsey then brings up how she is always apologising but she never knows what for and never learns from it, so the apologies are becoming meaningless, since ros takes nothing from them, both about what she is even apologising for and what she should learn from the apology. Because how many times has ros repeatedly apologised only to continue those bad ideas and flawed views the literal second she walks away. It’s the same thing with them over and over and over, ros does something, aimsey tries to talk to ros about it and how to better go about it without doing or resorting to the things she’s doing and ros defends herself but eventually apologises for those things, only to leave and do those exact things again, not learning or realising at all, destined to repeat again and again until ros eventually, inevitably, goes too far and dies.

Then after that, aimsey brings back up what ros said to clown about just hanging out with aimsey while he was gone, and ros defends herself because that’s not what she meant and starts to explain herself and genuinely does explain and apologise, very well, and you can clearly see that ros knows how it was taken the wrong way and explains and reassures them on how they meant it, a true genuine apology, which is what she should’ve done when it actually happened, instead of just instantly defending herself without trying to explain or reassure aimsey and just told them they were wrong, but then aimsey also brings up how this just shows more of ros’s priority to the kingdom and how she will always put the kingdom first no matter what, which ros then again tries to defend herself but it instantly gets shut down, because she herself have admitted and shown, time and time again, how no matter how much she talks and goes through with aimsey, the kingdom will always come first for her, to a detrimental extent. She deeply cares about aimsey and she will always try to put aimsey first, more than anything, but then when it actually comes down to it, she chooses the kingdom every time, she wants so badly to prioritise aimsey, she says it over and over and tries to show it over and over but it just can’t happen for her, the kingdom is such an important thing to her that she can’t let go and loosen that hold it has on her, even if she needs to just a bit to learn and grow, which is another reason she’s constantly making the same mistakes, because she wants more than anything to keep her relationships with the people around her and never wants to lose any of that, which adds to her need to protect everyone and please everyone, despite being told not to and how it is hurting her relationship with the people around her and more importantly, hurting herself.

That’s the most heartbreaking thing about ros’s descent into violence and her need for respect, that she is such a kindhearted person, and that kindheartedness is still always front and centre but it’s still being corrupted by these ideas she has, and the reason she’s doing this, for herself and her friends, is so important to her, that she can’t listen when the people around her, the person most important to her, is telling her not to do this, and to give up on this needless quest for respect and protection, because she needs to do this for them, she knows and can see that these people can protect themselves but she still won’t stop because she views her own value from her value to other people, so she’ll stop at nothing to try help, whether she really should be or actually is or not.

Now the not listening comment comes back up, and ros starts to explain why she disagrees, because she talks to aimsey everyday and takes her advice and does what aimsey says, like she’s starting sleeping more since they told her to because of her constantly getting attack by phantoms for not doing it. And how she’s started sticking up for herself more because of her talks with aimsey and she says how she does take their advice and even if they don’t take all of it, they said they don’t have to take all their advice. Which is true but missing the huge point that there’s a difference between not taking all their advice and only taking the advice that doesn’t go against her own view that aimsey is constantly trying to talk her down from, most of the advice and talks aimsey says to ros is about ros’s view and ideas on respect and violence so for ros to only really listen and take in the one or two pieces of advice they say that doesn’t affect that idea is missing the point. Like yes, you don’t have to take all the advice but the ones she is taking are the wrong ones, ros does sleep more because of aimsey’s suggestion and talks with her about it, but her sleeping really doesn’t matter that much, yes, they want her to do that and they’re happy she is, but it is so much more important to them that ros stops this doomed crusade to be feared and to protect others at her own peril. So for ros to only listen to the small pieces of advice that don’t change much either way over the many, many things they’ve said to her about her stopping trying to be more violent and trying to give better solutions to ros about these problems, is obviously going to be taken and viewed by aimsey as ros not really listening, but ros can’t see that because she is technically following what aimsey has said but she can’t see that some things they’ve say have a lot more weight and meaning than others so it can’t all be viewed the same way.

Ros then mentions how she feels like aimsey is angry at her and the way she talks about it shows this is something she genuinely believes and thinks is justified against her, even if she can’t see herself why, and aimsey starts explaining that they’re not really angry, more just doesn’t understand, because they can see what a genuinely good person ros is, and how much she is genuinely trying to do good but just keeps falling down the same path, making the same mistakes, having talked to aimsey so many times about this and clearly trying to do better and fix things but just can’t, and just keeps getting herself hurt and killed by making the same mistakes over and over, aimsey just doesn’t understand what she’s doing, what her actual plan is, how many times she has said to them that all she wants to do is be there for the people she cares about and to make her friends happy, only to then turn around and go completely against that by doing something that not only has clearly been said to be something her friends don’t want her to do but also that ends up just getting herself hurt, which is clearly not what the people who care about her want. To which ros says that the reason she doesn’t explain to aimsey what she actually wants or is doing is because she herself doesn’t know what she wants or is doing half the time, and ros just doesn’t realise that if she isn’t sure what she actually wants or is doing then she shouldn’t commit to doing something that hurts everyone around her, and always leads to getting herself killed, she should stop and figure out what she wants and what she actually wants to do, instead of just staying on this path that clearly isn’t working for anyone, including herself, and she wants so deeply to not let anyone down but doesn’t realise that keeping doing this and keeping making these mistakes is always gonna let her loved ones down, because they can see how much this is hurting her, so why can’t she see it.

And aimsey counters ros’s repeated statement of wanting to make them happy by asking what has she actually done lately to make them happy, and ros names giving the flowers, building the teal titans hq, helping with the gravel and armour trims, which are all very nice things she has done, definitely, but the fact she doesn’t mention the constant quest she has for violence and trying to gain respect, or doesn’t mention anything from her talks with bad or pili, because she knows that’s not what aimsey wants, she’s clearly been told that time and time again, and yet that is still the main thing she has been doing, and still doing that even after aimsey and tried to get through to her over and over, that they don’t want this, is obviously gonna make them upset, even if she still does other things to make them happy, like the flowers or the base, because those things are nice, but they don’t erase the genuine sadness and worry they have from ros staying going down this path, with seemingly no signs of stopping.

And aimsey tries asking what it is ros actually wants, what she is actually doing all this for, because she’s given so many different answers that it’s not even clear what all this is for anymore, is it to gain fear? to gain respect? to stand up for herself? to stand up for the kingdom? to get others to stop? to make her friends happy? to protect her friends? What is any of this even for anymore, and ros… doesn’t know, she says it changes from day to day, which, like she says, is fair, but if she’s gonna keep risking her life, keep losing her life, for this goal, and now for the goal to not even really be there or matter and to change day to day, what is this even for anymore, she’s losing herself, her morals, her life. And for what? She doesn’t know. She’s doing all this, hurting herself, hurting the people she cares about, just because, mainly, she’s already started doing it and the longer she does it, the more she’ll be committed to doing it but also the more it’ll lose all meaning of what this is even for, she’s in a cycle that can only end in pain and heartbreak, that already has ended in pain and heartbreak, many times over, and yet here she is, still going along this path, still repeating this cycle. She can tell herself she’s doing this for her friends, to make them happy, to protect them, but none of that changes that fact that her friends, that aimsey, wants her happy, with them, not dead on a battlefield because of a need to protect them, to see her dying over and over, to see her dead over and over. And for them to think, she’s telling herself she’s doing this for them, to protect them, and they’ll think, maybe if they could just get through to her, if they could just get her to see, maybe this would stop, maybe she would be okay again, maybe she would be content again. No one who loves her, ever wants this to happen to her, and yet it does keep happening, over and over, and they want more than anything for this to stop, for her to stop, and they’ll keep thinking, why won’t she stop, aren’t I enough for her, will I ever be enough for her, or will this always end up back on that battlefield, back with her dead, back with her trying and trying and trying to fix something that doesn’t need fixing, to keep dying and dying and dying for a mission that shouldn’t even exist, why can’t they be enough for her, why can’t she see that she has always been enough for them, they don’t want her on this crusade for them, they just want her. They just want her here and they want her safe, and if they have to fight a million fights for that, then so be it, but they don’t want her trying to fight those fights for them, trying to cause those fights for them, they just want her alive, and why is it that so hard. They’re here, they’re always here, so why can’t she just talk to them before giving her life for a meaningless goal in their name.

And now all the old wounds come back, their constant back and forths, ros’s betrayal of trust to bad and pili, her doing it again with clown before, but none of it stays, because aimsey don’t want for it to stay, they don’t want all this coming back up, they just want ros to figure out what she wants, what her real priorities are, they can’t keep hurting themselves trying to help ros figure something out that she is seemingly so desperate to not figure out, they can’t keep doing this, so now they just need to tell ros and put their faith in her to figure this out herself. Because they can’t keep doing this, they can’t keep seeing ros thinking she needs to die to help others, ros has become so desperate to protect others, to die for others, so desperate to become a martyr that all she is now is a sacrifice, a meaningless sacrifice that changes nothing and will just happen again, because it keeps happening again.

Ros tries to get aimsey to see it from her point of view and mentions how they jumped in to protect her against pangi the other week, without seeing that what she’s doing isn’t jumping in to protect them, she’s throwing herself at them for the idea of protecting them, there is no actual protecting happening, because there is no actual harm happening, just someone desperate for a mission, desperate for a purpose, that she’s throwing herself over and over to her death with the idea that she’s protecting people when she’s just hurting them, because they don’t want to see her hurt, especially not for them. They don’t want her to want to die to protect them, they want her to want to live for them, to keep living for them, because what’s the point of sacrificing yourself for someone if they don’t even have you with them anymore.

Aimsey is someone so intrinsically linked with death with both their constant experience with it yet still complete denial of it and their longing for it after so long, so not only for them to gain a connection as deep as they have with ros, which they don’t like making because it always ends the same way, with them outlasting them and eventually losing them, seeing them die, over and over, but also to see that happening to ros now, to see her keep dying over and over, but this time not because of aimsey’s curse, aimsey’s destiny to always see their loved ones die before them, but because of her own need to protect people, to protect them. Why does death taunt them like this, is making them keep dying over and over without the actual relief of death not enough for them, is making them come back with the scars, with the pain, with the reminders of how much they’ve been through, how much they’re still cursed to go through not enough, must death also taunt them by having the person they care about so deeply get herself killed, over and over, in their name, while they’re cursed to remain, always remain, knowing no matter how much they wish they could switch places with them, how much they wish they could let ros live while they die instead, they can’t, they’re stuck here, not dying but not really alive either, just here, watching while the people they love die, watching ros be so desperate to protect them that she’s dying for them, getting herself killed for nothing, while all they can do is watch, because no matter how much they try to talk to her, to help her, or how much they want to die in her place, to let her live instead, they can’t, they never can. Knowing they’ll eventually lose her isn’t enough for death, death needs more, wants more, so they’re making it happen now, right in front of them, for no reason, while they’re cursed to remain.

my thoughts on that conversation earlier today, (updated from the one I posted on twitter) just to say first, I love both tr!ros and tr!aimsey, their characters are SO good, flaws and all. also I’m not as filled in with as much of ros’s lore as I am with aimseys just FYI. I know this may end up sounding like just saying everything wrong with tr!ros but I promise it’s not, it’s just that this is purely about their argument/conversation from earlier, and no offence to tr!ros but she was kinda… completely the one in the wrong (sorry tr!ros <3) tr!aimsey DEFINITELY isn’t perfect but in this argument, ros was definitely the most aggressive and unreasonable and aimsey was basically just trying to get through to her and show her their point. Anyway on to the actual thoughts…

tr!ros is so far into the hole of her ideals, that she can’t see any different opinions, even those of her best friend, she repeatedly says she’s disappointed and can’t believe aimsey didn’t come talk to her before attacking owen without seeing that she is still right now only taking owen’s side and keeps defending him and his actions everytime aimsey tries to talk about their feeling, this is literally showing that if they did go talk to her beforehand she would’ve done the exact same thing she’s doing right now, she’s spiralled too far to hear a word of anything else.

She asks aimsey to talk to her and when she does, she ignores it and counter points defending owen and defending yellow, over and over again. She’s fought with aimsey and betrayed their trust multiple times now and is still asking if they don’t trust her enough to talk about stuff, when obviously not, like yes they still care about her, of course, but that doesn’t equal trust, especially recently with ros constantly ignoring aimsey’s advice despite their constant effort to try help her and talking yesterday about how she was a secret plan but wouldn’t tell them because “trust me, it’s for your protection”. Ros wants this friendship to be good again but doesn’t want to change any of her ideals so is constantly expecting aimsey to let go of their beliefs and their, very valid, criticisms of the kingdom and ros herself to fix it. When that’s not a trusting, healthy friendship, a trusting friendship would be both of them trying to help each other and talk to each other. So for ros to hear aimsey talk about what owen said to them and hear them say how much and how deeply it annoyed and effected them, which already is a lot more open that aimsey normally is and ignore it all and just defend owen, and then say that it’s not like aimsey to be upset by that, which is incredibly untrue with the things owen said, and it shows how ros is currently doing, mentally, where she can have her friend say to her how annoyed they were by these things being said and still think it’s not like them because her head is so filled with these ideas of what she “needs” to do and having aimsey be so against it that she can’t think of aimsey’s feelings and emotions right now because lately aimsey saying their opinions have been mostly against ros’s ideals and plans, and they’ve been trying to help ros calm back down and get out of that mindset, which ros has mostly been ignoring, given the fact she hasn’t changed her mind at all and if anything, has gotten worst. So to see how much that disregard of aimsey’s thoughts and worry’s has gotten so far that even when they are directly telling her how something is effecting them, she can’t believe it and say it’s not like them. Aimsey hasn’t been open with ros recently because ros hasn’t been open to them either, that them actually opening up to her again is unusual to her now.

Ros starts saying how much aimsey has changed without noticing at all that she has also completely changed, and to see that not only has she changed and her morals been warped so much but she also can’t even see it anymore.

Aimsey’s entire philosophy this whole time has been, murder is ok sometimes but not just murdering for the sake of it, which they dealt with again right before this, with pangi offering to help with killing owen but them denying it because the reason he wants to do it is just because, which isn’t what they believe in, and ros knows this so to see them trying to kill owen should be enough to show that they have good reason for it and for ros to not even really listen and just deflect all their criticisms and upsets into them being in the wrong because she just won’t accept or listen to anything wrong with owen or the kingdom itself even after constant talk for weeks with aimsey about how they don’t like the kingdom that much and think ros deserves better.

And the fact that ros can’t see why aimsey is disagreeing because she’s trying to protect her so why would they disagree with that, even after many, many times of them saying that they don’t want or need to be protected, and when they say it again this time, ros literally says that she doesn’t care because she wants to protect them and protecting them is a good thing so it doesn’t matter if aimsey disagrees because it’s a good thing they’re doing. She’s so far gone in this idea that even when she’s saying she’ll protect aimsey and they say, for the millionth time, no, stop, I don’t want you to do this or need you to, she still doesn’t listen, she’s going on about protecting aimsey but ignores aimsey’s own words that they can handle themselves, which ros knows they can anyway (even if they have died 8 times).

They’re supposed to be best friends but right now neither of them are because there’s such a divide between their ideals and how they handle them right now and there has been for a while but it keeps coming back up and just getting worst because both of them refuse to actually fully address it, they begin to talk about it and they both say their thoughts and why they have these thoughts and ideals and they begin to try sorting them but then they just… stop, once they start connecting again at all, they instant grab it and dont let go and just basically stop all efforts to fully fix their relationship because doing so would mean addressing it again and getting mad at each other again and the second their friendship starts feeling normal again, they don’t want to go back, completely not realising, or more likely, ignoring that it will all just come back up again and this has happened multiple times now and happened again in this conversation, as soon as they talked about the upcoming blue party and going together and started talking normal again, they latched to it and just starting saying goodbye and left while they were still on good terms. They just need to both go in a room and not leave until they’ve actually sorted all their problems and genuinely talked about it, instead of just saying all the problems to each other and just not doing anything about them… SOMEONE SAVE MY DUO!!!!

that’s all my yapping for today, probably. I’ll just say again that I love tr!ros and think they are a good person, just very conflicted right now, and she was the main one in the argument so she just ended up being talked about more. This is written terribly btw because I wrote it while still watching the stream, so it was a lot more rushed and less checked over. Although I did do some sight fixes and additions when posting this on here compared to twitter, like the whole ros wanting to protect aimsey thing, can’t believe I forgot to write or mention that earlier!!!

Anyway someone please save tr!ros from herself!!!

And I’m sure now that they’re friends again and have “forgotten” the past that nothing else will happen and they’ll stay friends forever!!

But ros, not even noticing or saying anything, instead goes fully into their flawed idea again by saying “I killed my best friend, so is that scary to you” still needing that validation and respect, especially after already having done it and murdering her most trusted ally and friend, only for pili to say no, because he could never hurt someone who means so much and is so precious to him, he’s shares the exact same view on it as aimsey, the correct view on it, but ros was too caught up in needing respect and also viewing pili and bad as evil, who she needs to stand up to, that she couldn’t realise it was a bad philosophy and even pili knows it. So her not knowing, someone who is a lot more caring, shows just how far she’s spiraled in this need for respect. And then bad says how traumatising that must’ve been for aimsey to be killed by their best friend, for ros then to instantly say that she died too to a zombie afterwards, which both feels like saying, I made a mistake and got what I deserved right after, which would make sense for her divided thoughts on the whole situation and not being able to fully make a choice on what she wants to do, so it just ends up being a chain of constant mistakes and regrets. But it also kinda feels like almost desperately trying to get them back on her side by saying “well I know I killed my best friend and betrayed their trust but I died too as well so it’s even” as if dying to a zombie and dying by your best friend after finding out they’d consider killing you for respect from people youse don’t even like, are in any way comparable.

Ros also says “I had to do what I had to do” about killing aimsey, which is her both denying any sense of choice in the situation and thinking of it being something she had to do to get them to respect her instead of something she chose to do and actually did, and also her making her seem more serious about it to bad and pili by seeming like she has no regrets in doing it, which whether she ignores them or not, she definitely does. Then when bad pulls her up on it asks her “you had to kill aimsey?” she said “well…” because she knows she’s lying and at this moment she can’t bring herself to say she had to kill aimsey, she could easily carry on the lie, carry on the idea in her head that she had to do it but she can’t, because she didn’t, of course she didn’t but at the same time, she did because doing it seemed to be the only way that could wake ros up from this idea of doing anything for respect, and then that didn’t even work because here she is now doing exactly what she said she would, going up to bad and pili and telling them she killed aimsey to get them to fear and respect her… and it doesn’t work, if anything it does the opposite since they, unknown to them, are saying what aimsey said to her when confronting her before their fight.

Pili even says to her that she can’t commit to this violent image she’s trying to have, which is one of the main problems right now, both that she can’t commit to it and when she does, it’s at the worst times, if you can’t fully commit to this idea but then committing to it when your best friend asks you if you’d kill them to gain respect is THE WRONG TIME TO COMMIT.

She’s so conflicted on her own ideology, even when it’s eating her up inside on needing to do it, which really shows what a genuinely good person she is, because she is a very kind hearted who is extremely powerful, being one of the highest people in the kingdom and also the person who build the actual kingdom itself, and also extremely strong, despite being constantly underestimated. She could easily be the full ruler of the kingdom, she has all the qualifications AND MORE, she is anything but weak, so getting constantly targeted by pili and bad makes sense to help fuel her idea of violence but it’s just so sad seeing how conflicted she is, especially after going so far to one side that she got her most trusted ally and best friend killed and yet still being conflicted. (p.s ros also said aimsey needs therapy after being killed by ros, which is DEFINITELY TRUE, for many reasons, but coming from tr!ros is kinda crazy…)

tr!ros you deserve so much better and you WILL GET IT!!! Ros has done SUCH an amazing job creating and playing this character, I’m so invested in her story and her relationships with the kingdom, with aimsey, with pili & bad and with the rest of red & green factions.

And Bubbline’s relationship starting as a history that they had between them, which we didn’t know about then but was clearly there and was very impactful on both of them, really made it one of the best relationships and parts of the show, with them starting to connect again slowly in a very real way, without a big thing happening to start it again, because it didn’t need to, they were clearly two people who were once very close and them rekindling their friendship and relationship was a very real thing of them slowing just getting closer and kind of just getting back into what they used to be like, which neither of them really questioned or hesitated about because they both missed each other, but after splitting up, they eventually kinda got forced to just move on and keep living despite their regrets and feelings, so Finn and Jake re-introducing them and basically making them face their issues and start hanging out again since they both hung out around Finn and Jake so much, worked because neither of them had much actual dislike towards each other so when they started hanging out again through Finn and Jake and obviously had a very friendly relationship with them, it very easily spread to them slowly starting to have that friendly relationship with each other again. Without a big apology and confrontation about their break up because they’ve both had MANY years to think about it and learn from and they definitely crossed paths a few times between then and reconnecting so them being made to be in each others company again through Finn and Jake basically solved their problem of this mistake in both their lives of losing each other that both of them wanted to solve but neither of them knew how to or was brave enough to bring it up to each other. So the four of them being in a lot more episodes together made a really fun to watch and interesting dynamic of Finn and Jake obviously being brothers and super close, Bonnie and Marcy both having a close, but each different, friendship with Finn and Jake and then Bonnie and Marcy’s complicated relationship to each other, which when all combined made a super interesting and fun group to watch.

Bubbline’s dynamic added to much to the story without making a big deal about it to the audience, it was always there and added so much but the fact it wasn’t more than little bits of subtext at the beginning which gradually grew and became more obvious as their relationship grew again, and that it wasn’t just plainly stated added so much because it wasn’t just telling you what their relationship was and how it was developing, it was telling you to watch it happen instead.

I could go on about them forever, Bubbline is amazing and added so much to the story and to the show in general and everyone should realise that!

Bubbline also showed that even though Marcy and Bonnie are both very independent people, they still need each other. When we see their break up, Bonnie is getting annoyed at Marcy because she’s trying to work on something and Marcy is getting in the way and then they break up and Bonnie, now without Marcy, goes EVEN MORE into her work and ruling the candy kingdom. Even though we see her try to relax throughout the series, it isn’t until she gets closer to Marcy again and starts rekindling that relationship that she opens up more and finally says to Marcy that she’s needs to stop and take a break because she’s tired and she has been for a very long time, which is a big moment for her because we have seen her open up a bit before this, but this moment is clearly different, this was Bonnie actually truly opening up and saying something that even she had been ignoring for a long time and even though she is close to Finn and Jake, her opening up like this wouldn’t of happened like this with them, it had to be Marcy. Because that entire episode was Bonnie and Marcy properly talking again after their breakup and moving from that awkward stage of them being friendly again thanks to Finn and Jake and to actually trying to be in a relationship again. There is obviously a chance they started to try their relationship again before this or after this, since we don’t know their full conversations between episodes, but I think it’s pretty clear that this is the moment it properly happened, and it ending with Bonnie opening up to Marcy about something she has felt for a long time, which because of her age was probably 100s years, really showed to both us and to each other that they’re going into this relationship again.

And after learning more about Marcy we see that between the breakup and the start of series, she really hasn’t had many people she’s been close to, shes had a few friends but no one who she actually got close to. Even Finn and Jake aren’t that close to her early on in the series, they were definitely friends but not to the extent they are later on in the show, so that gap between their breakup and when she starts getting close to Finn, Jake and Bonnie again, it would’ve probably been very lonely, which to someone like Marcy who is very independent and stubborn, would’ve tried to view it as a good thing, especially after what we seen her like during the breakup. Imagine what it must be like to not only have no one close enough to talk and open up to but also the two people who you used to be able to do that with, the two people who you were closest to, the two people you love more than anything, you still see often but you can’t talk to either of them like you used to be able to, one of them doesn’t even remember you. Both Bonnie and Simon are still around and she probably spoke to both of them quite a bit over the 100+ years since they were close (1000+ in Simon’s case) but now they’re not close to her, but they’re still there, still constant reminders of what she’s lost, both because of her actions and because of cruel fate. She probably had a million things she wanted to say, especially to Bonnie since she’s the only one who she actually could say it to since Simon wasn’t himself during all that time. But she never did, until Finn and Jake got them to reconnect, after all that time, she finally got Bonnie back and she finally started to open up again which then helped her open up to Finn and Jake about her past and about Simon. All that time of her being independent and not letting anyone get too close to her, and the one time she did, he betrayed her and sold her most prized possession, Hambo.

Then after all that time apart with neither her or Bonnie being brave enough to go talk to the other during it, once they’re were literally forced to connect again through their mutual friends, Finn and Jake, they were… fine, great even, no massive fights or refusing to talk to each other, the only things we saw was Marcy pranking Finn to annoy her and even that before they started reconnecting and then “I’m Just Your Problem” which wasn’t really an argument at all, more just Marcy venting some of her frustrations about their past relationship, and more specifically, how and why it ended. The fact that there wasn’t a big thing about them becoming friends again, really shows how much they missed each other and probably how much they blamed themselves for their separation. After all time, where Marcy was alone again, she could of completely forgot about Bonnie and moved on, she could’ve cursed her out and left being near her altogether, but really she couldn’t of done that, she could never have done anything like that, because as much as she was hurt being alone again, and as much as she could think in her head how horrible Bonnie was anyway and how she’s better off without her. She knew she loved Bonnie and she always would love Bonnie, if she could still love Simon hundreds of years later while he is completely unrecognisable to who he used to be, she could hold on to Bonnie for a while longer, because Bonnie was still there and one day, if the day ever came to try their relationship again, she would be there. And it did come, and they got closer, helped each other out, talked again, until it was like nothing ever happened and they were closer than ever.

Both of them tried so hard to move forward after their break up but after all that time apart, all it took was them to getting close again to realise how much they need each other and how important they are to each other.

That could make you become such a deeply lonely person, I mean imagine if you lost everything, had no one, not even death itself wanted you, that would mess you up, but she has had a long time to come to terms with it and grow from it, which also means she’s one of the most intelligent, especially emotionally intelligent, people, which meant that when they did get close to people again, they were a massive help for advice and help for their friends, which is good for their friends but also for aimsey themself, having that connection that they need after so long, having meaningful talks gives a connection you can’t explain, even if those meaningful talks are mostly one way, since aimsey is very secretive about themself and her past and almost refuses to say anything about herself and dismisses any attempt to try to get him to open up, but even with all that, it is still massively helpful for a character who needs connection so much.

Until eventually his friends, especially tr!ros get too strong an idea in her head on what they should do or what she “needs” to do that even though she’s still coming everyday for advice, she doesn’t seem to actually be listening anymore, it didn’t matter how many times they tried to help ros, she just wouldn’t budge from this inherently flawed idea that she is convinced will help her, and everyone else, which isn’t just bad for ros but also for aimsey, who has needed this connection so much and has begun to rely on it, even if it’s annoying that he’s seemingly the only person who actually has common sense or foresight with how much advice she’s having to give out, they’ve gotten used to being able to express their thoughts and opinions on situations and having their friends listen and care so seeing that they’re no longer really listening and are just doing their own ideas anyway would really hurt. Trying to help and make plans to help ros, only to show up the next day and find out she hasn’t actually listened and just took what aimsey said and used their plan instantly without seeing that that wasn’t the actual plan aimsey said to her. So the advice and talks eventually became more desperate trying to get through to ros because this isn’t her, this is her getting tired of what’s happening and needing to fix it so forming an entire idea in her head without seeing that this idea wouldn’t work and already isn’t working because she needs it to work, so it didn’t matter how much aimsey tried to get through to her, it wouldn’t work, until eventually they talk about where this idea in ros’s head is rooted, which is respect, the idea that if she can get them to respect her, they’ll stop, which she is going about doing by making them fear her, even though fear and respect are vastly different things. And aimsey says that to her which leads to the most important question they’ve had, would ros kill aimsey to get everyone to respect and or fear her, and when aimsey asks ros this, their closest friend, the person they trust more than anything, the person they can count on, that they can both count on each other to pull each other back, to save each other from themselves, they ask ros… and ros hesitates, and that’s all they need to know, the fact that ros could hesitate means that in her head there is a part of her that would and that part just seems to be getting bigger and bigger the more she spirals in this idea of respect. And then ros says no, which as much as she says it, isn’t the truth, the truth is she doesn’t know if she would or not, and that’s the worst part, not only would she consider doing it but she won’t admit it, to aimsey or herself, they’re supposed to be helping each other and ros instead of being honest and saying she doesn’t know, lies and says no, of course not, she could never hurt him, which is of course coming from a place of love for aimsey and not wanting to ever think about and especially not say they’d ever hurt her, but to someone as perceptive as aimsey, they can clearly tell ros is conflicted on it and even though know they know ros is a good person, of course she is obviously, that was never in question, but even knowing what a truly kind person ros is, that doesn’t change the pain learning something like that has. So aimsey pulls them up on it and makes ros confront that side of her, for good or bad doesn’t matter, because it needs to happen to help ros, one way or the other, and so they convince her to fight, which or course ros tries to argue about but still tries to make aimsey see her side of it, still not seeing that her side doesn’t really exist, it’s just a desperate attempt to stop the fighting by any means, by any cost, not seeing that no fighting, no threats should ever make them turn on each other, would ever make aimsey turn on ros, especially not to gain some form of respect from the people they already don’t like. Ros is too caught up in protecting her friends that she can’t see her friends don’t need protecting, aimsey doesn’t need protecting.

And you can see how deeply this is affecting aimsey because they’re talk about how they’re glad they chose to be alone, they’re with their best friend and they’re saying how they’re glad to be alone, because right now this isn’t their best friend, or at least not that they can recognise right now, because he has spoke so much about how everyone is killing just to kill and how that is one of, if not the, biggest problems they have with them, so for ros to now believe that she needs to do that to aimsey to “protect” them and gain respect from others, even though she already has aimsey’s and the kingdom’s respect (mostly), is obviously gonna be upsetting for aimsey and a massive loss of trust. And they start fighting, they both swing, and then they both swing again, then aimsey stops and ros swings again and then ros swings one last time and aimsey is dead, but of course, it doesn’t last. Because if one of them was gonna die, they’d rather it be themselves, if that’s because they can’t actually die or because they can’t bring themselves to kill ros, we don’t know (although it’s probably almost definitely both). But either way ros still doesn’t get to live, because she killed aimsey and death doesn’t want that happening, the past times it’s been a mob but this time it’s a player, and they won’t allow that to happen, so it instantly makes one of its already dead kill ros… instantly, because you don’t mess with death or the ones death has already chosen to punish itself. And after the fight, his relationship with death comes back up, with her asking, basically begging, death to let them go and just let them die, but of course, they were denied again, because even after all that with ros, they still can’t have anything, everything they want always so close yet so far, always. And then after they both parted ways after the fight, aimsey when thinking about going to ros, thinks ros won’t want to see them, instead of themself not wanting to see her, after the fight, he doesn’t stew in what ros did and get angry, he just kinda goes crazy (and high and poisoned), both because of what happened with ros and also probably experiencing death again. Because even though, they just fought and definitely lost a lot of trust in each other, they still care about each other and want to protect each other above all else, because the amount of trust they have in each other, one fight, no matter how big, will change that. tr!aimsey is SUCH an interesting and compelling character, and their relationship with death and tr!ros especially is amazing! I can’t wait to see what happens next.

The way some people are viewing Vi makes no sense to me because she’s one of the few characters are clearly shown to be good. With jinx, they show a lot more emotional moments of her to better humanise her and show that she isn’t just a villain, they don’t do that as much with Vi because it’s clearly stated and shown over and over that she is a good person. They don’t need to have as much of those moments because her being good isn’t a complicated thing like it is with jinx, she’s just a good person, obviously not a perfect person but she is undoubtedly good. Vi and jinx both went through so much trauma, the difference is Vi was stuck in a cell for years, agonising over everything that happened and blaming herself non-stop for all of it, even though it wasn’t her fault at all, while jinx instantly had silco take her and manipulate and brainwash her into exactly what he wanted her to be, she didn’t have any time to process or grieve losing her entire family properly before silco came in and twisted her grief into making her a weapon that he could use. I have a whole other rant about silco and jinx’s relationship I posted but basically he’s a horrible person, the fact he could take in powder, one of his closest friend’s daughter, a friend who’s dead body HE FOUND, who then got adopted by his other close friend, who he literally JUST murdered. He killed her father, brothers and, as far as he knew, her sister as well. And it WAS silco who caused their deaths, not powder, not vi, it was fully silco and his actions that caused their deaths, his best friend’s children, children who he almost definitely knew before their parents died. He caused all that pain and then used it against jinx to turn her into a weapon. And the fact that he genuinely used to be a good person and that he actually cared for jinx and viewed her as his daughter and STILL did those things to her, still turned her into a weapon. He knew she saw him as her actual father now and he used that love and trust to turn her more and more until the child he found was completely changed into what he wanted her to be, he stole her childhood from her, her entire life, the little bit she had left after losing her entire family, FOR THE SECOND TIME, and he took it so she would be what he wanted her to be, a weapon and that’s all he ever wanted her to be, it doesn’t matter the love he had for her or the things he would’ve sacrificed for her, he had a choice and he chose to make her into a weapon.

ANYWAY enough about silco because honestly I could say so much more about him, he doesn’t get held nearly accountable enough for all the stuff he did and caused. People heard him say he loved her and all of sudden they forgot all of his actions before that and the entire concept of toxic and abusive relationships, all because he said he loved her, IT DOESN’T FUCKING MATTER, HE COULD SAY WHATEVER THE HELL HE WANTS ABOUT HER, IT DOESN’T CHANGE WHAT HE DID TO HER!! He’s a horrible, horrible person and deserves so much more hate than he gets.

Okay, now actually moving on from silco, long story short; amazingly written character, absolutely horrible person. I’ve gone too far off topic and completely forgot what I was going to write. CAIT!! That moment of vi stopping cait from shooting is completely right from vi, like that entire fight we see her shooting and every time that she doesn’t hit what she wanted to, it is never once because she herself missed, it’s because everything around her is moving and changing, what cait couldn’t realise in that moment was that missing isn’t just because of your own skill, like even if she could guarantee she could hit exactly what she wanted to, which she can’t, that’s impossible to guarantee, that wouldn’t mean she’d hit jinx because jinx could move, isha could move, vi could move, sevika could move, the area around her could change. There is always so many variables that’s not just your skill. And even if she did hit jinx, she would be killing her right in front of a child, which is already traumatising and a good enough reason to not do it, and there’s the fact that Isha is clearly very close to jinx, to point where she was just ready to potentially sacrifice her life to save jinx, so killing her right in front of isha is a very, VERY bad idea.

I feel like Cait is another good example about good people in arcane, because cait in definitely a good person, there’s no doubt about that but even her compared to Vi shows just how clearly good Vi is, because cait has moments where she loses her morals, like what I just mentioned about her trying to shoot jinx, whereas Vi, even though she doesn’t always do the best thing, she is 100% undoubtedly always trying to do good, which is why it’s so confusing how many people don’t understand that part of her character and act like she isn’t a good person.

I still don’t get why people are taking the last words we hear vi say to cait to mean she’s calling herself dirt compared to cait, like no, she’s just saying she’ll always be with her from now on, after they’ve just spend the season being apart. The reason she said it like that is because 1. That’s literally how vi always talk to caitlyn in that jokey/flirty way and 2. Right before this was an emotional scene of jinx saying to vi how she’ll always be with her, so obviously they’re not gonna have vi say the exact same words right after that when they can have her say the same thing but in different words that still make sense for her to say.

I could keep talking about arcane forever so I’m just going to cut myself off here, this entire season was so good!! I love arcane so much and all the characters are so so good. The lesson is stop hating on vi, hate on silco instead!!

Also the argument at the junkyard, really shows just how much people’s perception of rachel affects her, that chloe, who she has never really spoken to before and only interactions are yesterday at the concert and today skipping school, both of which are good days for them and go against what people think of rachel, after all that chloe still pushes and kind of forces the ideas and assumptions about rachel on her, even though none of her experiences with rachel fit that perception of her, she still uses it against her, because that’s just how she’s known sadly. Which I don’t fully blame chloe for because both her and rachel weren’t in the best mindset during that fight and literally everyone has that perception of her so chloe leaning into that perception of her is believable but you know, it still happened.

At first I thought Fern might’ve been in the new Finn sword, like he was with the original one, but in F&C, after they had the sword for a while there was still no mention of him being in it at all. ‬

‪Instead he’s stuck as a tree, seeing all his loved ones live their lives without him and forget about him until eventually he even has to see the reincarnated versions of Finn and Jake, his most loved family, HIS LITERAL OTHER HALVES having fun and laughing together having absolutely no knowledge or memory of his existence whatsoever. While he’s stuck as a tree that they sometimes go to, he doesn’t even get to be their treehouse, so that he would at least see them everyday and be there with them always. Instead he’s just a tree, nothing special to them at all, just some tree that they sometimes go to and then eventually leave… again.‬

He doesn’t even get to see BMO anymore, knowing BMO is still around and not being to see him EVER, he’s probably even heard Shermy and Beth talk about meeting him and knowing for a fact he’s out there and not ever getting to even see a glimpse of him.‬

He’s stuck there forever, watching everyone he’s ever known either die and never see them again or be reincarnated again and again and again, living fulfilling and happy lives over and over. Whilst he can do nothing but watch‬.

‪How many times do you think he’s seen Finn and Jake reincarnate? Because we don’t know if Shermy and Beth were the first and they DEFINITELY won’t be the last, each time reminding him of what he lost, each time growing further and further from the Finn and Jake he knew, the one he WAS. They are always changing, but still always happy.. with each other.. forever.. without him. ‬

‪The only ones who would probably still visit him are Marcy and Bonnie since they know him, and he knows them, one last bit of similarity in his life, if he could even still call it that. Forever hoping one day they will figure out a way to bring him back properly, to have an actual life again, so he can be with them again, with them all again... like the old days.‬

‪I just realised, Finn and Jake probably visited him constantly, always talking to him, updating him on what’s happening, treating him like a person, like himself. Until eventually Jake wouldn’t be there, and Finn would be alone, telling Fern that he’s gone. That he’s, that they’ve both lost another brother, finding out about it and not being to say ANYTHING to him.

But at least he still had Finn to talk to him. Until he didn’t, at first he probably wouldn’t know. Just wondering where he is, “probably on another quest” he’d think, but after a while, he’d know. He’d know he’s lost them both. ‬