What follows are edited selections from our conversationâa snapshot of an uncertain and very chaotic moment in time in a life that has been uncertain and chaotic for many years now. For much of our interview, Young Thug wore a mask: chain mail, basically, hiding his face. âOnly scientists can see UY Scuti,â he said when I asked why heâd covered his face. âI donât feel like people should see me. I mean a scientist could maybe reconstruct it, do something with the mask and get a clear picture. But I just feel likeâhidden scars, and just hiding things.âGQ: Okay, but thereâs got to be a vibe or a spiritual feeling or something that is channeling you into this place.Young Thug: I just feel big. I feel like Iâm one of the biggest stars. I did a lot: founding this culture and the new rap game thatâs happening right now. I just feel like Iâm out of this world.Was there a moment when that realization arrived?Yeah, I was actually in court. I was on trial. And I just started looking around the courtroom like, Damn, thereâs a lot of people in here. Itâs cameras. Itâs the longest trial in Georgia history. And even just the things that the judge said when it was over for me. The judge was just like, âYo, you got to realize who you are.â My lawyer, Brian Steel, he always told me every day, like, âBro, you got to know. You got to know.â And then me just sitting in the cell every night alone, it was just kind of like, âIâm big.â I always was popular. I was always the big bro, even in my neighborhoods and things, so Iâve never looked at it. I didnât grasp how it is now because I always was like that.Is that a crazy feeling to be like, Iâm this big and Iâm also in a cell?I think Iâm too big for jail. But I think Iâm not too big for God, so God could put the biggest person in there. I feel like Iâm taller than the jail, but he somehow could just squish me in there. I think it was like a God thing. Just showing me situations, real friends and who you with, who is with you, and how to move and how to be.Tough to feel bigger than the jail when youâre in the jail.For sure. Itâs just like I was treated, how the officers treated me. Itâs just like, Damn, I donât got no bitches here. Like, the fucking officers who work in the jail are fans. Theyâre 20 years old. Itâs like, Damn, youâre a kid! Telling me what to do. Which is not a bad thing. My kids tell me what to do; my girl, everybody tell me what to do. But to actually just sit likeâWhy Iâm on punishment and you guys are my parents? Youâre like parenting me and telling me like, âYou the fucking one, bro! Whatâd you say on this song?âAnd Iâm sure in that moment youâre like, Am I ever going to get back the thing that got me here, my career, my ability to make records all day?I feel like when youâre genuine and youâre really artistic and just all around fire, it really canât end for you. I donât think itâll end unless I end it. I donât think people will ever get tired of me unless Iâd be like, âAll right, Iâm tired of making music.â Just retire. I donât think itâll get to the point where people are like, âYo, itâs over with.âBut there maybe was a moment when youâre like, I canât serve the desire that people want?I still was kind of serving it, though. Just being free, even behind walls. And just being happy and going to court and thereâs cameras in the court and people just seeing me and itâs like, âAll right, he donât look like heâs stressed. He donât look like this. He donât look like that.â I think God put me in there for a reason. And Iâm still trying to figure it out. I always felt like I was a good guy, so it was like, âWhy do I got to go to jail for you to show me something? Why you just canât tell me?â I guess I was just hardheaded. And I think I love people so much to the point where the only thing thatâll make me not love you anymore, or just dislike you, is betrayal. Like real-life betrayal. When your life is depending on it.Is that something you felt like was happening?Betrayal happen every day. Absolutely. You know that. I mean, you got to ask. I feel betrayed. I feel fucking jaded. Itâs crazy.Does it feel good to be standing here right now?Absolutely. To be out. But I would talk on the phone with my lawyerâhe got houses in the mountains. Heâd show me, so Iâd be still kind of seeing the scenery. It was two-and-a-half years, though. Going from this to a jail cell is nuts.What can you say about the experience of being incarcerated for more than two years?It was real. Donât want to deal with it again, but definitely it was real.Were there moments when you wondered if you would ever get out?For sure.In those moments, are you thinking about yourself, your family, your career? Where does the mind go?Family. Kids. Career was, like, last. That was irrelevant.I think it would be human to feel, in that situation, like: A great injustice is being done to me. Did you ever feel that way?Absolutely. Every day. Innocent man.It ended up being the longest criminal trial in Georgia history, which speaks to how crazy those circumstances were. Did it feel personal?Yeah, of course. But shit, we made it back.You may be constrained in what you can say and not say, but you ultimately did decide to plead guilty to six counts. Was that a difficult decision?Absolutely. Just pleading to something you know that you didnât do is crazy. But you get a chance to keep fighting. [You can] worry about the juryâs fate, or you [can] just go ahead now and go home. Itâs like shit. Go home.You had lyrics of yours used against you in court. Howâd that feel?It felt kind of crazy. And cool. Because itâs like, âOh, everybody listen to me.â But crazy. Like, the First fucking Amendment is freedom of speech. Well, third or fourth, but the top five. And weâre talking about lyrics?If I understand correctly, part of the terms of your probation, thereâs certain things you canât talk about on records now, right?I canât do nothing like gang things or stuff like that on the internet. I can really talk about what I want to talk about in music. I normally rap about cool things. I just got a few lyrics where I just rap about street stuff and those are the lyrics that they tried to use against me. But most of the time I donât rap about that type of stuff.Does that experience make you think twice about rapping about street stuff?Yeah, because just the impact that you got on the community, the youth. Not because of the law. More so just like realistically kids actually listen to us. Like, all right, we got to dumb it down some. I listen to new rappers now and Iâm like, âMy kid canât listen to that.â So Iâd be like, Damn. So contradictory.What have you been doing since you got out?Working on my album. Did a little partying. But mainly just working on my album, chilling with the kids, chilling with my girl, chilling in the studio, linking up with other rappers. Just doing the normal.Your girl is Mariah the Scientistâare you guys on the couch watching shows?Absolutely. Sometimes you got to come get me from where Iâm at though. Sometimes I donât want to go home.She was in court supporting you. Sheâs also on your album, on a song thatâs so raw and confessional that I wondered if you guys thought twice about letting other people hear it.Nah, itâs music. People all over the world going through that. As an artist, thatâs your job. What else is there to talk about? You want to talk about clothes and shoes or you want to talk about real things that people could feel forever?There is a great tradition of songs about clothes and shoes, too, to be fair.Oh, for sure. Sometimes you got to do that, too. I do that to keep people up to par on what to wear. So the young guys thatâs looking up to me that want to know what coat this is and what thermals these are, those guys could be like, âOh, this is what it is.âYou have a big family, I know you guys are closeâare you still able to be around them? I ask because, if I understand correctly, part of the terms of your probation are that you canât go back home to Atlanta except under certain specific circumstances.Yeah. Only for certain things.Do you miss it?Yeah, itâs home. I was already out of Atlanta before this case, though. Iâve lived in LA since 2017. So I wasnât in Atlanta anyway.Do you feel like youâre in exile?Absolutely. Canât go home. Itâs crazy.What does that feel like?It just feels like abuse.Before all this happened, I think Atlanta was like the center of rap culture. Do you think it still is?Absolutely. We create the wave. We got other places thatâs popping for sure. Everybodyâs popping now. But everybody still sound like Atlanta or move to Atlanta or rap about Atlanta. You got artists from a whole other place rapping about Atlanta.Even if youâre not there, I assume you still feel like one of the leaders of that city.One of the guys that plowed Atlanta into the rap industry, yeah.Who else would you put in that category?Future. [21] Savage. Lil Baby. Migos. Tip [T.I.]. AndrĂŠ 3000. Gucci [Mane].Thatâs the Mount Rushmore right there.We got a lot of kings in Atlanta. Thereâs more, too, but just off the top, those people.Have you kept up with rap in general? What do you think of the current state of the art? It felt like while you were away, it was sort of dominated by this Drake-Kendrick Lamar thingâI donât know if you have a side in that, I know Atlanta got dragged into it by Kendrick.Yeah, he just spoke on peopleâs name in Atlanta. I donât know what that was about. Iâm a Drake fan.Do you feel rap music in general is in a good place?Yes. I think the numbers could be better. A lot of people are rapping about the same thing and nobody is bringing anything colorful. A lot of people wasnât bringing something that you can actually watch. You can enjoy the music and enjoy the things that they do, but we used to make movies. I think now itâs just quick. You got to get back to movies, you got to get back to where people respect it.Why do you think they went away from that in the first place?Because it was just a big wave of nothingness running the game. It was just a big wave of super simple videos, not really high-priced videos. That wave came in really strong, so even the people that was doing high-priced videos, they started doing regular videos because thatâs what was popping. But I think now we did it so long to the point where we comfortable with that and we donât want to do stuff like this no more. That take time.You mentioned your own new record earlier, UY Scuti. Did making music feel the same as it felt before?It came easy. I never lost it. Nothing. I never lost it. I listened to music in jail and I listened to music sometimes in court and things like that, so I never lost it. I was still up to par on what was going on for the most part.Did it feel like making other records the way it wouldâve felt in 2016 or 2021?No, it is a whole different feeling for sure. Because youâre just in court fighting for your life. And now youâre in a studio at home surrounded by love and beats.One thing I noticed about the record is you can really hear every word. You hear your voice. Itâs high in the mix. Was that deliberate?Iâve told my manager: I just want to make music where you can actually hear me. Because I always talk that shit, but sometimes you canât hear it. Sometimes youâre like, âWhat are you saying?â So itâs like now, I feel like Iâm a new artist. I feel like I just came in the rap game again.What do you remember about your early days as an artist?Just being happy and free.Iâve heard interviews where you talked about kind of bruising, early encounters with the industry. Your deal with Gucci Mane, who first signed you, was kind of weird, right? Or even Lyor Cohen, who signed you to 300 EntertainmentâIâve heard you say that one started out difficult too, right?Yeah. Because we just didnât know each other. We ended up being good friends.Did you hold those dealings against them later on?When I was younger, yeah, because I just didnât realize peopleâs point of view or way of hustling. Now I have some of those similar ways of hustling and points of view, so now itâs just like, âOh, okay.â The more I got bigger, the more I realized. Because even when we got cool, I still didnât understand some of it. Even when we got cool, me and Lyor got supercool. He my mentor. Even when we got supercool, I still didnât understand some of the things that I felt like he did back then. But now itâs just growing older and owning the record label and doing things like that. Itâs like, âOkay, cool.â You get it.Did you make a point with your label of maybe doing things differently with artists than the way that people dealt with you?I donât really be taking money from my artists and stuff like that. I just like to help people. Sometimes it costs and sometimes you just lose, but it really donât matter.One of those artists was Gunna. You guys did a ton of songs together. He was very successful on your label. He was arrested about the same time as you. I think a lot of people wonder what that relationship is like now.Yeah, I know. Everybody wondering that.Whatâs it like?I donât know.I guess thatâs its own form of answer, right?You like to plow deep into things, huh?Yeah, Iâm a pro.So that whole speech you gave me earlier, like, âYeah, Iâm new to this shit.â All that shit was just cap?Oh noâI was telling you Iâm new to the cameras. The interviewing Iâm not remotely new to.OkayâI thought you was going to lie. Because I saw you a few times interviewing.Those are the only ones Iâve done on camera! Do you have bigger ambitions for the label going forward?We just pushing positivity. And just going for the gusto. Weâre trying to just kill the whole rap game and just do it big and just help people in general. Help society, help the communities we from, and just be so great.People around you have made it sound like you have more than just a label these days.Sports agency. Iâm shooting a movie, documentary, clothing brand. Itâs a lot of things moving.Speaking of sports, did you see the NFL banned the ânose wipeâ celebration?Oh wow. They canât wipe their nose? No, I ainât see that. Thatâs crazy.When you first started out, people would make a big deal of the fact that you wore a dress on the cover of an album, or that youâd call somebody âloverâ or whatever. In retrospect, were you trying to be provocative, or was that just naturally the way you came up?I think it was just making people mad. Provocative to a man is crazy. I think I was just doing it, just making people mad.Whereâd the idea come from?I donât know. A lot of my ideas just come from UY Scutiâjust come from fucking space.Now, when people write the history of this era, they give you a ton of credit for bringing that super-melodic trap sound to the mainstream of rap. Is that the way you would tell the story?Iâm the first to do it. Well, I donât know. I always think that I was the first to do things, but then I see history and itâs just like, Damn, they did that. Itâs crazy.A lot of that early music you made as part of the supergroup Rich Gang, with Rich Homie Quan. Why did that partnership end?I think we just grew and became our own bosses and men, and then we just didnât want to keep doing the Rich Gang albums. We were getting bigger, so itâs like I wanted to do my own shit.You wanted to do your own thing?I think he did. I was okay with it, because I feel like I love music, but I donât care about songs. So Iâll have a number one hit record, song, and Iâll put you on it. I donât care. Itâs just like, so whoever goes to the top with you, go to the top. I donât care. I never was the guy that cared about that type of stuff. So I wouldâve been okay with just keep doing it. We still was dropping our own music at the same time as doing that, so itâs just like it really was bigger. But I guess everybody couldnât see that. So people just do things. Make mistakes.When you listen to music now, do you hear your influence?Absolutely. Donât want to say everythingâthe crazy part is I canât say that everybody do something that I did because it was a lot of things that I did in the beginning that somebody else did, but I never knew they did it. I just did it.Whatâs an example of that?Wearing a dress. I never saw nobody wear a dress. Then soon as I did, people were like, Oh, AndrĂŠ 3000, this and that, and this guy and this guy and this guy did and this guy did it. So I canât say peopleâs flows or people like rhythms and things just 100 percent come from me. I think that it can. You hear some shit and youâre just like, âYeah, for sureâme for sure. You never sounded like that,â or âYou never rap like that.âWhat about style? Do you see your influence in that?Yeah, of course. I might do something thatâs supercool like this and then somebody will do something thatâs not like this, but you wouldnât have even thought to do what you did if you didnât see me. You might not do what I did or nothing close to what I did. But that headspace definitely came from seeing me. I wore skinny jeans when everybody wore big jeans. I just never liked long chains back then. I got a lot of long chains now, but back then I never liked long chains, so I was probably the first rapper ever cutting chains. But I see old videos from like â94, â93 with Tupac, and heâs got on a short chain. So itâs like, Damn, I thought I was the first person doing it.Where is it going next? I think people watch you pretty closely.Iâm just like one of the people that just opened those doors for us. People probably was scared to wear a dress until me. First time it happened was obviously AndrĂŠ 3000 and whoever was before him, but this generation? This fucking time? Iâm the person for that.I think it would be natural to want things to be the way they were before all this stuff happenedâare you okay if itâs different now?Yeah. Because itâs different for better. Itâs likeâIâm smarter, Iâm older, I know what jail feels like. I know what thoughts, betrayals, I know what everything feel like. And I know how to go forward.I donât think anybody would opt for two years in jail, or the longest criminal trial in Georgia history. No one would choose to go through that. But do you feel at peace with that experience at this point?I felt at peace with it when I was going through it. Itâs just the probation part thatâs kind of stupid to me. But yeah, I felt peace the whole time. I wasnât stressed at all. I really was chilling. I guess I just knew subconsciously that wasnât the end for me because God got bigger plans for me.So you felt peace then. How do you feel now?I feel peace. Absolutely. I feel more peace now. You can move with almost nothing over your head. You got probation, but thatâs really nothing. Iâm not going to violate probation. Itâs just like almost fully peaceful. Once probation is over, then itâs like, okay, cool.Then itâs full peace?For sure.And until then?Ninety percent.But maybe weâll take ninety percent.Absolutely. Iâll take ten percent peace.This interview has been edited and condensed for clarity.PRODUCTION CREDITS:Director: Cole EvelevDirector of Photography: Carter RossEditor: Robby MasseyTalent: Young Thug; Zach BaronProducer: Sam DennisLine Producer: Jen SantosProduction Manager: James PipitoneProduction Coordinator: Elizabeth HymesTalent Booker: Tracy ShafferSteadicam Operator: Greg GustafsonCamera Operator: Jon Corum; Taylor Frontier1st Assistant Camera: Adam Lee2nd Assistant Camera: Jacob MarianiGaffer: Noah SpieceKey Grip: Jack MotterSwing: Kevin ShumDIT: Lauren WoronaSound Mixer: Justin FoxProduction Assistant: Spencer Mathesen; Lily StarckMake-up Artist: Hee Soo KwonHairstylist: Christy IvoryProduction Designer: Cedar JocksPost Production Supervisor: Jess DunnPost Production Coordinator: Rachel KimSupervising Editor: Rob LombardiAssistant Editor: Fynn Lithgow Source link