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Dedication mentioning Iuppiter Hammon and Dis from Auza
Would you say that the Romans emphasized the "evil" and immoral nature of Hades/Pluto? And that Claudian portrays him as a criminal? I was reading this in an online conversation and would like to know your opinion 😅
I don't quite understand what this line of thinking is based on.
Claudian's poetry inspired many European works to portray Dis/Pluto as a Satan-like figure, a defiant provocateur (e.g. Le Ravissement De Proserpine by Dassoucy; Jerusalem Delivered by Tasso). However, this does not mean that Claudian or other Roman poets actually viewed him as an evil character. Compared to the Greeks' chill Hades/Plouton, he was simply more dramatic in temperament. (Jove was also more indulgent toward his brother than Zeus.) But their behavior wasn't all that different. Moreover, the Greeks and Romans didn't view his abduction of his wife all that differently either. They defended his actions by citing excuses like his noble born, the order of the universe or love, but also acknowledged the suffering caused by the abduction.
What's your opinion on the Greek mythology subreddit if you've visited it?
I'm not on Reddit. Some interesting posts or great art could be found there sometimes, but there are just too many platitudes, so I'm not really into it.😂
Your (…) Blessed Mother goddess Polyonymous (is) Isis, that begat Ouranos Son of Euphrone on the sparkling waves of the sea, that Erebos nourished, light for all mortals,the most august among the Blessed in Olympus, having the sceptre and of all the earth and of the sea, divine queen who sees everything. (RICIS 308/0302=IK Kios 21)
A piece of Anubis hymn, by referring to Ouranos and the waves, same way of giving birth to Isis as Aphrodite. And Isis is from son of Euphrone(=night?). Ring any bell? Nyx passed the throne to her son Ouranos(OF101, 109, 111). Orpheus, have you read anything from Egypt?
By the way, Anubis is the child of Osiris-Zeus-Amun-Sarapis(?) and Isis in this hymn. It's impossible to read Greek retellings of Egyptian myths without having fun, they're much crazier than Orpheus.
Etat de l'oeuvre : il ne reste que le haut d'une stèle. Le revers a été anciennement retaillé.
Your Father (is) Crowned with gold Most venerable Osiris Zeus Kronides himself, the Great Powerful Ammon himself, the Prince of immortals Sarapis
σός τε πατὴρ χρυσοστέφανος πολύσεμνος Ὄσειρις, αὐτὸς Ζεὺς Κρονίδης, αὐτὸς μέγας ὄβριμος Ἄμμων, κοίρανος ἀθανάτων, προτετίμηταί σε Σάραπις·

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Even so did the bereaved Ceres light her torch and from Aetna's rocks cast the shifting glare of the mighty flame here over Sicily, there over Ausonia, as she followed the traces of the dark ravisher and the great wheel-furrows in the dust; Enceladus himself re-echoes her wild wailings, and illumines her path with bursting fire; “Persephone” cry woods and rivers, seas and clouds: only the palace of her Stygian lord calls not “Persephone.” (Statius, Thebaid, 12.270-277)
orba Ceres magnae uariabat imagine flammae Ausonium Siculumque latus, uestigia nigri raptoris uastosque legens in puluere sulcos; illius insanis ululatibus ipse remugit Enceladus ruptoque uias inluminat igni: Persephonen amnes siluae freta nubila clamant, Persephonen tantum Stygii tacet aula mariti.
This is the ultimate satire of adaptations like "after entering the underworld, Kore changed her name to Persephone…"
In turn she cried, now “Persephone!” now “Daughter!” She cried and shouted either name by turns; but neither did Persephone hear Ceres, nor the daughter hear her mother; both names by turns died away. (Ovid, Fasti, 4.483-486)
perque vices modo 'Persephone!' modo 'filia!' clamat, clamat et alternis nomen utrumque ciet; sed neque Persephone Cererem nec filia matrem 485 audit, et alternis nomen utrumque perit
One question: In the hymn to Demeter, would Zeus have annulled the marriage of Hades and Persephone if it weren't for the pomegranate?
I don't think he would.
Returning the daughter to her original home might imply that the marriage is invalid. But the entire narrative, neither Demeter nor Persephone seeks to annul the marriage. Furthermore, there is no indication that Demeter disapproves of her daughter's marriage. (However, there are other versions in which Demeter's opposition is clearer. The unreadable of lines 387–400 may have deprived us of the opportunity to understand how Demeter viewed this marriage.)
Demeter's request and the command conveyed by Hermes simply stated that Demeter wanted to see her daughter. After hearing Hermes' words, Hades continued to assert his role as Persephone's husband, ordering her to return to her mother and promising her the benefits of marriage as a "gift." The pomegranate simply prevented Persephone from staying with Demeter all the time. It's not very appropriate to live with his mother-in-law for long.
Moreover, judging by Hades's unhesitating reaction, they may have long planned to release Persephone at some point – that is the interpretation by Claudian.
Another version of Adonis’ death: Persephone crucified him
“A myrtle-tree is chosen [to hang Cupid], well known in that sad grove and hateful from the vengeance of the gods. Thereon had Proserpine, once slighted, tormented Adonis, mindful of his Venus.”
- Ausonius, Cupid Crucified (C4th, Roman)
Good to know there is indeed a source that states how Persephone treats him in the underworld. Perhaps it was all simply because myrtle was used to make wreaths during the mysteries and myrtle was just as important to Aphrodite. Also Adonis is born from a myrtle tree.
So far, the worst portrayals of Persephone I've come across have all been in Korean novels. Unsurprisingly, the Leuce incident has once again been whitewashed. And how could they do it to Arethusa...😭😭😭
Ovid, please save me and get me out of this hell.

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'O thou shalt go no further, Pluto, thou shalt not by force alone become the son-in-law of Ceres. It is better to beseech a mother's aid than drag her child away! And this sustains my word, if I may thus compare great things with small, Anapis loved me also; but he wooed and married me by kind endearments; not by fear, as thou hast terrified this girl.' So did she speak; and stretching out her arms on either side opposed his way. (Ovidius Naso, Metamorphoses, 5.414-420)
and as she wandered came to Cyane, who strove to tell where Proserpine had gone, but since her change, had neither mouth nor tongue, and so was mute. And yet the Nymph made plain by certain signs what she desired to say: for on the surface of the waves she showed a well-known girdle Proserpine had lost, by chance had dropped it in that sacred pool (5.464-470)
"A purer light shalt thou see and wonder rather at Elysium's sun..."
Plutarch, Consolation to Apollonius, 120c = 35.1
Sarapis in Athens
Jon D. Mikalson, Religion in Hellenistic Athens, p180-181
Why is there such little info on Amphitrite and Hades? I understand it was hard to talk about the gods of the dead back then but it didn't stop them from mentioning Persephone all the time and theres basically nothing about Amphitrite
The creative intentions behind myths may vary, but they inevitably reflect certain religious beliefs. I don't know much about the cults of Amphitrite, but she was not a major cult figure in Attica, while Demeter, Kore, and Plouton of Eleusis are far more famous in ancient history. I've always thought the explanation "people don't like to talk about death" doesn't quite fit. Sure, death is daunting, but most poets talk about the chthonic couple. According to a study on the name Hades, he is mentioned quite frequently in Homer's epics and Athenian tragedies.
Just a quick search
Hera had 1438 hits in ancient contexts. Persephone had 412. Amphitrite, only 65.
Ἥρα 606 matches in inscriptions, Κόρη 403 , and Ἀμφιτρίτη only 79.
I understand why some people view them as the Female Big Three, but they're actually not even in the same league.

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If the Underworld gods were a family cast like Modern Family, who to you would the main family members be?
In my headcanon, the chthonic deities can initially be divided into two families. First, there's Demeter and Persephone and their relatives: Hecate, the Erinyes, Triptolemus, Sirens and others. Then there's Plouton and Zeus and their descendants: the Keres, Aeacus, the Dioscuri, and so on. They come together as one big family because of Plouton and Persephone's marriage. And after the arrival of Dionysus, some figures form a smaller group living with him—like Iacchus, Zagreus, Heracles, Ariadne, and others.
Maroneia Aretalogy
You took Sarapis to live with you, and when you had made your marriage together the world, provided with eyes, was lit up by means of your faces, Helios and Selene. So you are two but have many designations among men. For you are the only ones whom everyday life knows as gods. Therefore, how would the account of your praises not be unmanageable when one must praise many gods at the outset?
"You don't understand. There is a version that Persephone married Hades of her own free will-” ONLY if you're referring to Sarapis and Isis.
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