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Quakitus said in san’s QandA that one of her regrets is not going with wyll and mugm.
Do you think if she chose the path to follow wyll would they accept her to be on their team?
uuuhhh i think i might be misinterpreting your question... so ill answer in both ways i can read it ;^-^
as things are right now:
like... accept her into LE? no. i'd be shocked. LE is extremely exclusive, and even then membership doesnt guarantee safety; wyll and mugm dont even fully trust pinity and pro, as we saw back when they were making negotiations with andromeda. they didnt even make stormz a member back when TE was still around
accept her as an ally? yeah, they already do. they wont refuse someone who will help them
in some hypothetical where quakitus acted differently from the way he did last year:
first of all, quakitus could not have "followed wyll" and prevented gilded break up. im kind of stunlocked to imagine a scenario where wyll stays. because if Q suddenly decided that he was fine with mugm—well, wyll wouldn't have liked that. he canonically didn't, when Q was fine fighting alongside him to kill dragon and nem. he saw it as him being spineless. what would've truly impressed him was Q pulling him aside and telling him he'd work with mugm under no circumstance, in which case wyll would've just continued doing it in secret without teaming... then the situation would've only escalated, as wyll would've probably become, subconsciously, more and more resentful of Q "holding him back" from teaming with mugm
gilded breakup, on wyll's end, was characterized by wyll Looking for things to disparage Q with because he was trying to justify wanting to leave her and assuage his own feelings of guilt. he knew mugm wouldn't really want to join gilded; his offer of partnership was for wyll exclusively. even if mugm didn't want to actively coerce wyll into leaving his team, and wouldve regarded him the same whether they were actual teammates or not, wyll wanted to be teammates really bad. he knew there was only so far he could get only remaining secret, distant allies with him. teaming was the best case scenario. but he knew he couldnt do that because Q HATED mugm
thats something Q doesn't realize about gilded breakup because it's horrible to contend with—the fact that wyll left, through no fault of Q's own, simply because he isn't mugm. Q could've never simultaneously convinced wyll to stay and remained true to himself (as he was at the time this was happening).
so like my real answer is no. mugm and quakitus probably would have never been on the same team at this point in both their character's progressions. they were both simply unwilling. and in the case of quakitus becoming willing, wyll would've seen it as disingenuous and looked down on her for it
however. this hypothetical is interesting!!! so i want to talk about it more. under the cut
lets imagine mugm DOES accept an offer from wyll to join gilded. because—in some world where Q has never ever disliked mugm and its not a point of tension—i do genuinely think wyll would try to bring Q and alrey along. he wanted to have his cake and eat it too. he wanted to stay with gilded (because he genuinely viewed them as friends) and team with mugm at the same time. his ideal was integrating mugm into gilded
if Q was not a factor preventing him from doing what he wanted, i think he would've tried to bring mugm into gilded. so again, lets assume mugm accepts his offer instead of just continuing to go solo and give support to wyll as an ally
yes, mugm would be on a team with quakitus. but thats not really what the question is about. you wanna know if he would've integrated her into the gold gem plan. and the real answer to that is also no.
mugm's exemption to universal gembreak was always solely wyll—Q and alrey were never part of the equation. the only person he wanted to share the end of the server with was wyll. period. and since then, he's never really managed to put anyone else on the same pedestal in his mind
stormz got very very close to that, but ultimately fell short because mugm couldnt bring himself to trust him in a way that made their relationship equal. they were friends for months and mugm still chose keeping his cards close to his chest over taking a risk. at this point in time, quakitus would have to be content with having unreciprocated aspects of his relationship with mugm. he would need to be fine giving trust and honesty and not receiving the same. which is hard to imagine for quakitus*
Even Then, if things were going okay, we would Also have to contend with the same divine intervention that kept mugm from becoming fully attached to stormz. manifestation and balance continually pressured him into abandoning his attachment to him, even though stormz was willing to help in whatever plan he suspected mugm had. simply because mugm is not supposed to have any attachments at all. he's only permitted wyll
this also assumes mugm shares his secrets with wyll in in the first place, if gilded is still around. entropy having no one but each other last fall enabled mugm to be more honest than he could've if he also had to factor in the opinions of others, like he would have to in this new version of the scenario. he probably would've been distressed about wyll having "another option"—he already was distressed when he was wyll's only teammate, but now wyll has two other people and mugm is technically the intruder upon their pre-existing dynamic—and it would effect whether he even decides to tell him about gold gem and mani. the most likely scenarios i can see happening are:
mugm tells wyll but implores him to keep it secret from quakitus and alrey, upon which i feel like wyll would push back but might acquiesce. wyll would continue to have conflicted feelings, split between loyalty to gilded and loyalty to mugm. this would probably end gilded, as canonically wyll would choose mugm here
mugm never tells ANYONE. wyll slowly becomes more suspicious of him until mugm either leaves on his own or is kicked from the team. upon which we're back at square one
*this also isnt even factoring into whether Q himself would tolerate having to accommodate so heavily for mugm. assuming Q would share the same sentiments and attitudes as he has now (no tulip), i'm genuinely hard pressed to imagine Q navigating these situations as delicately as needed, and him actually wanting to do that at all
i have a very strong feeling whatever idolization of mugm canon Q has presently built up would very easily be shattered, once he realizes he could not just be himself around mugm and succeed the way wyll did. i think Q has a fantasy in his head of being exactly like mugm and/or wyll, and mugm perfectly understanding him should they have a conversation (he even says this to shaun). he thinks that if he'd had his revelation before gilded broke up and shown it earlier, mugm would've afforded him the same privileges as wyll. but this just isn't true. quakitus could abandon his independence again to craft his personality identically to wyll's, but he would still need to jump through absurd social hoops to occupy the same space in mugm's mind simply because he isn't wyll. this is the same roadblock stormz ran into, and it made stormz really jealous for a little bit 😭 i'm not sure if bliss!Q realizes this, when he talks about a perfect utopia wyll+Q+mugm team
like. idk. it would be a really complex scenario but its fun to think about
hellooo sorry if this is a bit of a strange question but how do you archive vods?
not a weird question!
currently i use 4k video downloader, which will just give u an mp4 of a vod as long as u have the link. i used to use untwitch, which did the same except in different 1h segments (because it was easier on my older laptop). a bunch of my friends use streamrecorder, which records streams as theyre happening so it catches stuff like music, clips, etc that may be muted in the vod. i dont use it because my wifi is shit from a butt. then u just upload ur file to youtube
BIG DISCLAIMER!!! everything said in this post is about the character and isnt supposed to be interpreted as if im talking about the content creator. Take everything with a grain of salt because these are just my thoughts and the way i see things. can ange speedrun winged trio analysis. not acknowledgment the "dog bit" because it pisses me off and it is uncomfortable but. themes and such. i guess
Sans character on bliss was something akin to Dumb's in a way that all guests are blank slates for their characters to grow. The lack of space for the guests to fit into niche roles due to the original cast already pursuing them becomes a bigger issue with people who don't have any history with the server. The thing with Sans that upsets me the most was that his character was really progressive in a way that made his qualities shiny - he was a good grinder, he was a fairly skilled pvper. He was recognized as a person, even if he wanted to perform as something else, his role was detached to someone elses.
I dont joke when i say energy games was like crack to bliss sans because this is the first time he's ever associated with people in here. The comfort of having teammates after solidarity gets to him too quickly and he wants to show them that he is what he states he is, useful. It's almost funny how Sans got the netherite boots during EG, when later on, everything Sans does is run from people. Granted. Everyone wants to be useful for their friends. The issue with that comes when Sans thinks the only way he will be useful is that if he doesn't depend on them in any way, making him sign his first ever contract with Quakitus for a silly thing such as Dragons Breath - that Stormz offered. That Hazel offered. His pride became an inability to accept help from his friends
This first ever IOU shows him his first ever experience with a team breakup- with letting your team down in more ways than one. The betrayal, the foolishness of accepting a Quakitus IOU, the frustration of his teammates clouds his vision completely. The person who he expected forgiveness from - Dumb - the most turning their back to him, making him feel completely isolated, even if he still had the reluctant support of Hazel and Stormz. It becomes way less about hurting himself and way more like proving something to someone. to prove that he was still useful - and if that meant being useful for Quakitus, that was what he leaned completely to
when he gets to know Quakitus a bit deeper than usual, his pride becomes a problem again because he believes he has fully-fleshed out Quakitus with some months of experience when Quakitus has been doing this for Way Longer. to an extent, Sans almost believes they're on equal grounding, his Pride makes him believe that he can both help Quakitus and keep his morals - which he cant. He believes he can prove Quakitus wrong, which only pushes everyone else farther and farther from him. in some ways, it's like he's tunneling vision a future where his only place on the server is with quakitus when hazel has offered lots of times her hand in support, yet, he keeps denying. saying he'll change then going back to this harmful ways. by playing the role of Quakitus' pawn, he has a role. he has a place he believes it means something, he believes he belongs. "Friends" or not, Sans is at a complete loss of autonomy to his self. being content with what he has, being friends with Quakitus (maybe not because he doesnt have any other choice, maybe he choosed this unconsciously by sabotaging all of his other relationships in the process)
This pride makes him disregard everything and everyone that cares for him on a deeper level than just a maintenance to their ego (hi quakitus). This pride makes him keep denying Hazel's words, his pride keeps disregarding Hazel's feelings about everything. This pride is what makes him believe hes so different, everyone else broke but he wont because hes him. Sans was never meant to be a prince, he was, from the start, conditioned to be a knight, the thing is that Sans can't fight for himself now. Everyone knows he's stuck against the mountain and the stone, bound helpless by his own hands
his silence right now is the consequence of the series of actions he took. pushing everyone away until there was nothing left, finding comfort in his misery. stagnating in a state where he cant recover, believing his self worth lies only in what he can do to Quakitus (which, now, technically, is true). Metatexting it a little, people should stop pitying Sans when it is convenient, Sans is finally getting the short end of the stick with permanent reactions to his own behavior. i LOVE this nebula quote that encapsulated everything that is happening right now, and she told him at the staaaaaaaaaart of everything
the audience is cheering for his misery, hence why he won't stop being miserable. hence why he keeps putting himself onto these situations. this is the one time he cant run from the consequence of his actions. change won't happen because this misery is the only thing sans can ever imagine himself having. it is what the audience asks from his role, the role of a pawn.
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What do you think bliss!mugm would think of what bliss!quakitus is doing with sans?
What are your thoughts on quakitus calling wyll his best friend?
on allegiance: i feel like mugm wouldnt really? care at all? he's never met sans outside of egames or teamfights, and he's never really paid attention to quakitus in any meaningful way that individuates him, rather than treating him as an extension of an enemy team or a footnote in wyll's personal history. right now he might acknowledge the change in quakitus as something respectable, but that's as far as i can see it going. as for sans, i think his opinion would be very sour and dismissive, he'd probably think sans is pathetic
on greenscreen: this is kinda par for the course. quakitus has never truly gotten over wyll and he idealizes mesa/gilded as the best parts of his life. he credits wyll with essentially his entire worldview, shaping who he is today. its totally unsurprising to hear Q say he still considers him his best friend, even if its unreciprocated atp
Hi hi! Could I get your insights, if you have any, on Sans? I'm genuinely struggling to understand why he chose to sign an even worse IOU with quakitus again and would appreciate your thoughts since I feel you generally have a pretty detailed understanding of the bliss characters. I'd try to vodwatch but alas I don't have time 😭 so hoping you'd have answers. If not totally ok <3 appreciate your posts!
I've already talked abt this a little on twitter so I'm just gonna reword the stuff I said on there :P take all of this with a grain of salt I am not a sans main and I do tend to be more critical of him than others
to put it plainly, it's self-sabotage. sans wants to prove a point that his own suffering is meaningful enough to be distinguished from the level of suffering already normalized on the server, both to others and to himself, out of a desire for acknowledgement of his pain (...or if you want to word it meaner, he's basically 'doing it for attention'). by continually running back to someone he knows very well to be harmful at this point, he pushes people away that would otherwise be fine with staying by his side if he'd stopped after the 1st IOU (which was signed out of naivety... mostly), therefore proving that 'everyone DOES hate him!' and justifying the negative feelings he felt after. erm. facing the consequences of his actions for the first time. there IS manipulation from quakitus going on, but on some deep level I do believe that sans is walking into this Willingly
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(I saw a post on twitter that had mugm and wyll wearing friendship bracelets. I thought it was really cute!)
ummm..... i guess not many that u cant just see on my designs? LOL
i think friendship bracelets are cutesy but i dont know if i can see them going through the vulnerably honest ordeal of making one and gifting it, unless its something they could have another excuse for. entropy already canonically do match weapon names/theming (sun/moon) sometimes, but i think its because they conceptualize it as "coordinating aura" LMFAO
but for me personally, i think the idea of them scavenging stuff that reminds one of the other and using it for themself is cute. i hc when wyll's mimicry started Unfortunately extending to mimicking mugm's long hair later on, mugm gave him a ribbon from his outfit to hold it out of his face. i can see wyll also helping mugm with clothing repairs, so something green inevitably makes its way to him (wyll would do it on purpose, if anything)
I'm also abt to move into a new place for school so anxiety is a bitch but yes we persevere !!!
also speak ur truth about the duos vs ships,,, imo it's kinda weird being aro and seeing people feel so strongly abt the topic. like they'll point to something and say "that's so clearly ship art" but the term "romantic" means something a little different to everyone, and a significant amount of the character "duos" and relationships I feel can't be labeled just platonic or romantic. shoutout secret third thing. it's frustrating that a lot of people don't seem to believe that very close relationships can exist while not being explicitly romantic. my flavor of aro-brain thinks labels are largely insufficient and their significance is exaggerated but as long as people are calm and respectful then I enjoy discussing it and learning other opinions and perspectives
also also yeah duo names to me are kinda made by the ingroup for the ingroup if that makes sense, it's all fun and games when you're in the know but if you're not then it's lowkey exclusionary. not out of malice it's just kinda how the cookie crumbles sometimes shrug
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ohbro i hope u find a place that doesnt cost shitfuck amount of money
no yes, exactly. im also lowkey aware that this is a very individual thing. i dont expect people to agree with me that there's no meaningful difference between platonic and romantic emotions, there very obviously is if it matters this much to people. i just dont experience or understand whatever that difference is. and that makes these discussions frustrating to parse, when theres such importance put on a distinction that means nothing to me LOL
and yeah. no hate to people who love duonames, it is indeed fun to come up with words that fit dynamics. i just wish it wasnt the main way these fandoms tagged/sorted fanwork, because its impossible to navigate
hi I keep seeing you mention manimugm and I was just wondering, does that not go against mugm's boundaries for no shipping? unless I read it wrong and you're just calling them that as a duo name then I'm sorry 😅
for me its a duo name lmfao. because the dynamic is relatively obscure so just smushing the names together is more practical than using the "real" duo name, which nobody recognizes. and i dont care to have the conversation every time i talk about them. i'd rather just get to the point
if i can be completely transparent: i think the way the mcyt community uses duo names is fun for the people who come up with them but not fun to engage with. it's not intuitive and it makes finding content a pain in the ass. this is coming from somebody who was very much around during the dsmp days and who has also made quite a few duonames for bliss. its just kind of a chore to learn and remember (especially when ccs can just say they dont like it and want it changed). in my perfect world everyone would just use the names. sorry im a buzzkill
im also lowkey of the opinion that the way a lot of people interact with duos is not substantially different from the way people interact with ships. but thats probably also because my specific flavor of aro-brain just fundamentally doesnt understand the emotional difference. not for a lack of trying, but i just cant. im incapable. bit of a hot take i know but thats my real experience LOL
hi I also miss talking on here haiiiii ^^ how's life :D
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haiii !!! im unfortunately in the middle of moving to a completely different state. and needing to find other housing for school . so life has been rough. BUT I PERSEVERE. hbu?
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