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dragon age. origins, awakening, & da2 primarily. always asking hey where's zevran. what's he doing. early modern vibes and by vibes i do mean vibes. what if i apply a bunch of otherwise usually fun but not esp practical info into helping a faux-medieval/renaissance setting make a little more sense to me specifically. ask me abt my playlists if u enjoy the shawm. ask me abt shakespeare/early modern english theatre if u want a new friend.
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my main girl is cat cousland, a walking anxiety disorder who is having a bad time. an autism diagnosis would not save her but it would make her brother go ohhhhhhhh wow.
my hawke is an andersmancer but more importantly, bethany is there (: ask me abt fenbelathany.
if you're here bc of my leandra posts. idk welcome and i'm sorry ig.
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#yeah I never got the “andrastianism is christianity” analogies because andrastianism fails to convey even a vaguely messianic message#and it's just one more symptom of the White Western Liberal attitude I guess
i don't want to put this person on blast bc i don't rly have much interest in debating Actual Christianity, but ig the thing i was most def not trying to convey in my post abt andraste was that andrastianism is somehow not the setting's catholicism/christianity. it is. just bc andraste doesn't accomplish 'jesus if joan of arc' to me doesn't mean that andrastianism isn't explicitly the catholic church. sorry.
like i think in terms of christian allegory, the faith part of it is undercooked. i don't know enough abt rituals. i don't know enough abt different sects. this gives me a ton of freedom creatively when i want to play in this sandbox, sure, but i am dissatisfied w the in-game execution bc i know this stuff can be so, so, so much more fascinating when you dig into it.
but like. sometimes in rly unintentionally horrible ways but overall i think in v deliberate ways, andrastianism is 100% meant to invoke the catholic church. it's just that the elements most central to andrastianism that are carried over from the catholic church and christianity more broadly aren't the tenets of the faith itself but rather imperialism, violent hegemony, proselytization, and yeah, aesthetic, etc. andrastianism doesn't have to be messianic for it to be The Christian Institution, In This Case The Catholic Church, bc 'exalted marches' are crusades. that's an oversimplification but do you get what i mean. am i crazy. templars. city elves were inspired by jewish quarters/ghettos. that's the history of the catholic church, too.
like. when i say i think you can't write off andrastianism as a creation of ppl w no connection to or understanding of catholicism, what i mean is that when you talk abt the writers as 'white western liberals' or more specifically 'white canadian settlers': who do you think those initial white canadian settlers were. catholicism is the largest religious denomination in canada. the game w fantasy french imperialism inextricable from fantasy catholicism (the branch of andrastianism players encounter the most is named THE ORLESIAN CHANTRY) was written by ppl who live in a country colonized by the french empire to such a degree that french is one of its official national languages...................that's not an accident??????? they named their third game 'inquisition' and said 'you can play as the good guys.'
for all that i am DEEPLY disappointed by the politics of the games, ig what makes it more disappointing is not that they weren't thinking abt these things but that they were. andraste doesn't have to be a one-to-one jesus or even a one-to-one joan of arc for andrastianism to fulfill the role of fantasy christianity bc the point is less the faith and more the impact on the rest of the setting.
this is all v bizarre bc i'm sort of awash in catholic history and also sort of hoping the SSPX schism happens and is brutal, but i'm not catholic, nor do i want to be. like my perspective is someone who is studying history in a v specific way but who has also been negatively impacted by the catholic church as an institution bc i am an outsider to it. i'm still jumping up and down going yayyyyyyy eamon duffy!!! yayyyyyy! and i think a lot of protestant writing abt catholicism is disgustingly unfair and condescending abt devout catholics/catholic history. i promise my position is nuanced or at least v much trying to be.
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the thing is Andraste being the Mother Maria if she was martyred was established in game one but I think DA2 really did get weird with it by giving us nine characters with the weirdest and most uncomfortable relationships with mommy who also have the weirdest and most uncomfortable relationships with Andrastianism. except for Aveline whose mom died when she was very young and she was raised by her dad and even if she never grew up to be exactly who he wanted it was fine and she experienced no deep longing for another mother or a better mother in her life and by the way she’s also the only one who’s like ‘this religion shit does nothing for me’
tbh while the writers were like 'oh andraste was if joan of arc founded christianity' (or smth similar; i cannot find the quote) and there ARE parallels, most notably that she raises an army of the faithful and is burned at the stake............................they did not actually succeed in that intent.
if the writers were trying to truly model andraste off of a joan of arc figure, she would have a) been much younger and b) would not have been a wife and mother. nvm the gender nonconformity lmao. my issue w how andraste is framed is that she's a cross between virgin martyrs and the virgin mary, and i believe this is bc when creating a fantasy catholicism for the setting, it was important to the worldbuilding that andraste be a mother and a wife. whether i agree w that worldbuilding is sort of beside the point. that honestly is the most protestant thing abt andrastianism to me bc one of the bigger shifts in ideology that happens in the reformation is virginity goes from being a venerated state in and of itself and a Goal to chaste (read: faithful) marriage being the state that women need to be working towards, and virginity is downsized to being the necessary phase a woman must go thru to get to marriage.
andraste is a failed joan of arc, bc the load bearing pillars of joan of arc's whole deal are: virginity and youth (yes she's a soldier; do you know how she talked abt the sex workers who typically trailed after armies?). she made a point of calling herself jeanne la pucelle (joan the maid) or la pucelle (the maiden), and she's known as the maid of orléans. so andraste has some of the aesthetics of joan of arc, but she does not adhere to the traits that joan herself felt were vital to her identity.
andraste is ultimately a jesus figure narratively! but like joan, the parallels are superficial. extremely funny that the canticle that depicts her death is called 'the canticle of apotheosis' which implies that upon andraste's death, she becomes divine. but quite frankly nothing in the text actually indicates that and i would say it's more analogous to an assumption (if not The assumption, but more ppl than mary were taken up to heaven in that fashion). what gets me is that even in the canticle of apotheosis, the trembling vints are asking, 'is she truly the servant of a god?' and neither andraste nor her followers nor idk the maker correct them.
she isn't the divine made mortal. she isn't a child of a deity. her name is in the faith bc she founds the faith! but unlike jesus, she didn't know from childhood on what her purpose would be (tho i think she killed halliserre by accident infancy gospels of thomas-style). she is a convert of a sort. her myth presupposes a true faith that she can both convert to and found. but she does, in terms of a figurehead, fill the role of jesus by being put to death.
what i keep coming back to tho is that she's a bride and mother. she could have as easily been a bride and daughter, but andrastianism emphasizes her motherhood. she is an archetypal mother. like yes i think protestants get a lot abt catholicism wrong but in this instance where the 'jesus but joan of arc' wires got crossed is that andrastianism is essentially a fictional marian cult.
i do think that like. idk i always get cagey talking abt religion bc nobody has to engage w it if they don't want to and ppl should have agency wrt belief systems, whether that means being devout or being an atheist or smth outside of that dichotomy altogether or smth on a spectrum. emotionally loaded, too much nuance for a tumblr post. but it is v funny w dragon age bc yeah, they essentially asked the question 'what if the virgin mary was the figurehead of christianity instead of jesus' and the ultimate answers were 'the inquisition was a good thing, actually' and 'the other religions are ontologically evil'
you said something somewhere about isabela and bethany having vastly different relationships with femininity and gendered trauma and i'm realising it's made me very curious: how do you see bethany's relationship with gender and womanhood, and do you think she considers that aspect of her identity as being related to her victimisation? because on the one hand, it does seem very gendered to me that she as little sister is being treated as this sort of precious but burdensome object to be protected within her family. but also how much of that is she associating with woman, and how much is she associating that with mage, or is it something else entirely?
i have to first acknowledge that i love @gyrovagi and @ikarons's dragon age gender discussion, namely these two posts. bc i am now i think irreversibly academia-brained, let me also say that while those two posts are rattling around in my brain currently, there is a whole ecosystem of mage-gender thought and more broadly, how misogyny/sexism functions in thedas as a setting that nominally venerates women due to the andraste of it all out there. and all of it makes me feel like a teakettle abt to explode.
jumping off that point, bc we're dealing w a type of misogyny that comes from the veneration of women (compelled to complain that that's actually p normal for misogyny as we know it), i gotta state that the type of womanhood/internalized misogyny bethany is dealing w has sooooooooooo much more to do suffering and impossible expectations than like. whew. okay. i thought this was going to be a normal answer, and i don't know why i thought that lmao.
1. andraste as non-mage but ideal woman; bethany as mage and aspiring woman
bethany is at least a little bit drawn to andrastianism. she enjoyed listening to leliana's stories in lothering. she goes to the chantry in kirkwall to light a candle for carver. maybe leliana was only ever telling secular stories. maybe she went to the kirkwall chantry out of guilt. i think it does a disservice to her whole deal to say she isn't religious, bc religiosity (read: andrastianism) is compulsory in thedas. v few things abt bethany's whole deal are abt agency in a positive way, at least initially. whether she likes it or not, she's suffused in andrastian patriarchy.
andraste is inescapable as the ideal of womanhood. andraste, as the daughter of an extremely influential alamarri leader, is of noble blood, and i have so much to say abt alamarri culture being superseded by andrastian interpretations of alamarri culture but this is going to be so long already a;sdljf;ldask
andraste also 'overcomes' infertility, and while that's a moral framing i personally find rly abhorrent, we all live in a society. she also 'overcomes' the chronic illness that causes her infertility: second verse, same as the first, etc. there's some shit there re: values surrounding procreation and being able-bodied that i think. are in the mix. even if again this is going to be so long already.
women are mothers, and if they're sick, it's bc you can suffer your way to goodness — sometimes as an ex-slave, and sometimes as a martyr. lol, lmao even.
i think it can be extrapolated that andraste demonstrates a fidelity and patience that are supposed to be venerated/emulated, esp in contrast to her husband, maferath. maferath has a concubine named gilivhan who bears him children long before andraste does, but nowhere in the mythology does there seem to be any cruelty or resentment on andraste's part — she raises gilivhan's three sons as her own after gilivhan's death. so part of womanhood is a sort of default maternal attitude.
i do not think the presence of concubines in this instance points to a thedas-wide acceptance of, say, polyamory or even communal child-rearing. isolde is pissed by the idea that alistair is the result of an extramarital affair and takes it out on alistair. i would argue that while andrastian mores would advise her to be more tolerant of and patient with her husband's other partners or children..........................clearly the chantry is more than capable of taking over the responsibilities of raising alistair while isolde and eamon get back to their marriage and connor.
so we've got andraste as wife and mother, and let's not skip over andraste being The Bride. the ur-bride. faithful to her mortal husband and yet also some other guy's wife. CLEARLY, at least to maferath and his contemporaries, wives being another man's concubine or participating in other relationships is sufficient cause to betray whole causes, much less the wife in question. wife, mother, bride. my take here boils down to the idea that andraste, despite being a mother and married to a mortal man, kind of gets to retain a spiritual virginity.
then you've got andraste as warrior and prophet. women who fight and women who are believed. LOADED!
intriguingly, tho it doesn't seem super emphasized, there is andraste as enslaved — and formerly-enslaved. I'm Every Woman. potential for some v conflicted and guilty feelings on bethany's part there as she ruminates on her lack of freedom and also relative freedom as compared to her brethren in the circles. is it blasphemy to hate her life? idk ask teenage bethany sitting in the lothering chantry listening to sermons abt how magic exists to serve man.
last but not least, there's andraste as sister. andraste as witness to whatever mysterious accident that claims the life of halliserre, the accident that causes her chronic illness that in turn causes infertility. much 2 think abt.
bethany's not a wife and a mother, and she's never been a bride. those are def things that i think she wants to be, bc those are things women are supposed to be. she knows she's of 'noble blood' and demonstrates a genuine interest in rediscovering and reclaiming leandra's history.
bethany is not a warrior, or at least her ability to protect herself and be violent to others is not integrated into her identity — or rather it's been forcibly integrated into her identity in such a way that viewing herself as inherently dangerous or as an unstable weapon in need of constant surveillance is like. idk if i'm articulating this well, but if you're constantly a threat, enacting violence on purpose might not register in the same way as it would for aveline, for example, who can more effectively categorize and maybe compartmentalize her own violence.
Aveline: You show admirable restraint, Bethany.
Bethany: For a mage, you mean.
Aveline: I could also say, "for a Hawke," but yes, for a mage.
Bethany: You have a sword. Why aren't you killing someone right now?
Aveline: Fair point, but I can put my sword down.
Bethany: Believe me, I have tried.
bethany would love to be able to put down her sword, but since she can't, she just does her best to pretend it's not there. kind of. that said, this battle cry: 'what are you, afraid? i'm not hiding anymore!' i think reveals a lot abt how she feels abt fear and when she's allowed to not be afraid.
bethany might feel like a prophet (and it wouldn't allay that feeling, i think, to be someone who does more observing than participating), but if she's a prophet, she's a cassandra, a cassandra who feels like smth is coming for her and once it does, if she gets taken by the templars, she's relieved it finally just happened.
in the circle, bethany becomes a teacher and at least one of her younger apprentices rly bonds w her. when immersed in an explicitly andrastian environment, she conforms, not unhappily, to the ideal of an andrastian woman as much as any mage can, by taking on a position that allows her to be maternal.
bethany and freedom is p fraught, kind of its own essay, but since this is going to be a monster already, let's focus on:
2. bethany as sister
that's like her whole identity to whole hawke family: baby sister. she has to be protected, she has to be curtailed, she has to be hidden. leandra says she never cried as a child — is this bc, as is true for many girls, she understood from an early age that her emotions created the need for attention and energy that she might have experienced as equal parts smothering and exposing? is it bc from a v early age, malcolm impressed upon her the importance of her keeping her emotions in check, bc they put both her and her family in danger of demons or templar attention? what abt the pressures that come from being raised in a family that seems to have struggled w money at least periodically?
like what's the difference between being a mage and being a girl for someone living in a body where they are one and the same? how do you separate your gender from your mage-gender? i think bethany shows signs of trying to be a 'normal' woman in that she's demure, polite, pacifying, etc. those things are inevitably filtered thru her identity as an apostate mage, but if she performs them well enough, then maybe she can be mistaken for a well-behaved woman first, before she's a well-behaved mage, right?
babies who are 'easy' don't cry. children who are well-behaved are quiet. bethany is always the baby sister. like she just wants to be 'good,' whatever that means. a good woman is a good wife is a good mother is a good warrior (presumably a warrior who can put down their sword as well as wield it; read: discipline) is a good sister. i am being deliberately delicate abt the enslavement aspect bc yes, if you are enslaved, you are designated 'good' if you are quiet, obedient, competent — but not too competent. andraste did free herself. mages aren't supposed to do that. one must imagine sisyphus happy and dry heaving, etc.
she would have been praised consistently for her control, and she is, in the game, even by someone like fenris, praised in absentia for her self-control, phrased as a lack of weakness. do we think bethany was seen as mature for her age. do we think the neighbors told leandra and malcolm how lucky they were to have such a helpful and sweet little girl who stayed out of the way. even her childhood friend peaches chooses not to turn bethany into the templars bc she seemed, AND I FUCKING QUOTE, 'too nice to be magic.'
the big moment in her life when she stands her ground against a bully is the incident that precipitated the family's move to lothering. do we think she learned any unfortunate lessons abt what happens to mage girls who fight back. do we think we can infer that no amount of staying quiet and nice protected bethany from the kid who bullied her so badly she threw him across the field w her magic. do we think it's a coincidence that this bully was a boy.
when she fails! as a sister! her family suffers. it is never just abt bethany's wellbeing, tho clearly she's internalized that 'other ppl' are the ones 'taking the risks' on her behalf, as if she is not herself at risk. she doesn't get to feel her own feelings abt her life. she is the vessel for everyone else's anxiety and grief, and she doesn't even get to fucking cry.
she is, in this way, way closer to halliserre than andraste. does she think of herself as andraste-adjacent? does she have enough exposure, even, to andrastian texts on halliserre to identify w her? would she, too, love to die in a mysterious accident that unburdens her family from the burden of caring for her, one that leaves her unblemished and tragic but free from the obligation to be good? i think that's what she means when she says she tried to put her sword down, yeah.
3. how much of it is being a mage, and how much of it is being a woman
ig we can get into the weeds of suffering as worship and suffering as nonnegotiable here, but that feels too thorny to actually approach in a way that works. idk man. i do think 'mage' as a gender category positions 'mage' as a failed person in a way that feels analogous to a lot of misogyny/types of misogyny. what i'm going to skirt around here is that she mentions alrik, who is a rapist who (shoutout @recents) specifically targets mages w the threat of being made tranquil and also just straight up targets tranquil mages, period.
but while i agree that this can kind of be muddied by the gender dynamics between alrik and ella during dissent...................................i am also cognizant of the fact that a circle-route bethany mentions alrik by name in her letter and that ella is one of bethany's students, the one bethany mentions in that same letter as having gotten rly attached to bethany. that is a connection that has rly horrible implications. how much bethany can protect ella is directly contradicted by how much she can protect herself.
bethany is a failed woman bc she's a failed person as a result of being a mage. i think she still tries to 'good girl/woman' herself into being a person, or at least to cancel out her mageness. but as the dialogue w aveline shows, she rly resents it when other ppl compliment her on being a 'good' (read: unthreatening) mage.
but tbh i don't think bethany rly gets to decide for herself what's going on w all that until after the end of da2. the sheer amount of sexualization she experiences even from ppl who ostensibly respect and love her is like. she simply doesn't ask for any of it (except maybe w isabela and sebastian, and wrt latter don't piss me off). but i do think that varric rly takes the cake for me in terms of benevolent sexism.
Varric: So... Milady Sunshine, what's your first act as a noblewoman going to be?
Bethany: *giggles* A noblewoman with no fortune and no title? Looking for work, probably.
Varric: Practicality is for peasants, my lady. You need to do something frivolous to celebrate your birthright.
Bethany: Such as...?
Varric: Come up to the Hightown Market and complain bitterly that there's no Orlesian silk that matches your eyes.
Bethany: But what if something does match my eyes? What will I do, then?
Varric: Insist that they're blatantly copying you, and demand royalties. A good noble always has a complaint ready, Sunshine.
this is one of the most egregious examples of somebody interacting w bethany and completely failing to retain any knowledge of her personality or wants or needs or like. anything. i get that she's giggling. i get that it's all in good fun. i get that the joke is that bethany would never behave this way, and the comedy lies in the distance between the imagined noble lady and bethany. i get that.
however what varric is failing to acknowledge here is the elephant that's in every room ever: bethany is a mage. she doesn't get to complain. she doesn't get to be frivolous. she doesn't get to call attention to herself, period. varric is unintentionally underlining how much being a mage impacts bethany's womanhood, even a newly privileged womanhood.
and yeah, bethany enjoys this bc she enjoys imagining herself as normal. she enjoys the fantasy that she gets to be the type of woman who throws a fit over silk. but even varric's nickname for bethany — sunshine — implies a life of being visible that bethany has not lived and won't get to live until after da2 best case scenario, at least within the framework of freedom that varric has. being alive and visible as a mage means either her whole world becoming the circle or the wardens.
like she's barred from most womanhood. she wants pretty dresses, and she wants princes to call her beautiful, and she wants to be a daughter the way leandra was a daughter.
she wants to be uncomplicated! she wants to not be a problem! she doesn't want to need protection! but while all of those things are abt not being a mage, i think she'd be fine with being protected by a chivalrous prince — there is a fantasy there, for sure. a fantasy that requires her womanhood being prioritized over her being a mage.
milady sunshine. blech. nevertheless, while i think varric misunderstands her utterly, he does at least misunderstand her in the way she prefers to be misunderstood. varric can construct a fantasy-bit where bethany gets to just be a woman. but it is, ultimately, a fantasy.
andraste is wife-mother-bride-warrior-prophet-victim-saint. bethany doesn't have 'aspects' except in the realm of story; bethany fumbles personhood across the board thru absolutely no fault of her own.
i think that's why she gets squeezed into boxes that don't rly suit her. there's so much unwieldy stuff going on that it's easiest to slot her into a role that coincidentally!!!!!!! doesn't have agency. baby sister. crucially, she's not sexually agentive, she's vulnerable to corruption and in need of an older sibling or guardian to make sure the baby doesn't get into trouble, and this is an established enough dynamic that she will self-police. andraste as statue and icon, babyyyyy. emotionless, motionless, and emblematic of whatever you want to project onto her.
(but then da2 ends and actually she gets to spend her thirties being whatever type of woman she wants to be)
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andraste rly the most fascinating symbol of the type of misogyny that the setting supposedly doesn't have bc she's literally just the virgin mary. to the point that they give her some of the titles the actual virgin mary has (our lady redeemer, lady of sorrow) or smushes titles together (our lady of perpetual help + our lady of victory = our lady of perpetual victory). she's not the daughter of the maker, she's his bride. she is not in and of herself divine, she receives divine visions. she's an intercessor. like. her death positions her not as the savior of thedas who successfully takes on the sins of the world and redeems them, but as a martyr. deeply confused why she even gets the redeemer title at all bc the maker v much did not come back. like who got redeemed. at best she's a conglomeration of a bunch of female saints + mary. baffling.
andraste rly the most fascinating symbol of the type of misogyny that the setting supposedly doesn't have bc she's literally just the virgin mary. to the point that they give her some of the titles the actual virgin mary has (our lady redeemer, lady of sorrow) or smushes titles together (our lady of perpetual help + our lady of victory = our lady of perpetual victory). she's not the daughter of the maker, she's his bride. she is not in and of herself divine, she receives divine visions. she's an intercessor. like. her death positions her not as the savior of thedas who successfully takes on the sins of the world and redeems them, but as a martyr. deeply confused why she even gets the redeemer title at all bc the maker v much did not come back. like who got redeemed. at best she's a conglomeration of a bunch of female saints + mary. baffling.
what's great is that i'm having so much genuine fun w this dissertation that i can work on it all day and then go home and go awww maybe i should keep going hee hee hee and now it is 3am (again) and it's too hot to function and i'm reading abt medieval incest and i have to stoppppppppp
annoying to share this house w more ppl than i usually do bc when they take a shower i cannot do laundry or take a shower and i would love to be able to vacuum but i don't want to wake anybody up and much of what i need to go about my day is on the drying racks in the shower room where someone is currently showering and i rly am trying to book it to the library where there is air conditioning but alas i am stuck in my room. guess i'll crack open my medieval incest book again and take some notes.
what's great is that i'm having so much genuine fun w this dissertation that i can work on it all day and then go home and go awww maybe i should keep going hee hee hee and now it is 3am (again) and it's too hot to function and i'm reading abt medieval incest and i have to stoppppppppp
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Drawing almost every Dragon Age character — Part 6, Bethany Hawke
Unfortunately didn't get to see much of her, cause I always play a mage but honestly loved her since the very first minute and was devastated when she died😭
Everything about Hawke-Amell family is so tragic it's unbearable. The fact that in canon none of them survive, even Hawke themselves past the inquisition, makes me kind of glad that Malcolm died first in a sad way. Because from what we know he wouldn't be able to live with himself if anything happened to his family. So instead he's left waiting, greeting his loved ones on the other side way too early
This was exactly my thought when drawing and that is what the red cardinal represents — Malcolm visiting Bethany right before the end to reassure her she won't be alone
Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 7, Part 8
affirming 2 me that travis is on beacon telling ppl to stop fucking blaming his wife for [character death(s)] bc when i go into the cr spoilers tag it's a bunch of ppl going IT WASN'T JULIEN'S FAULT BTW EVERYBODY STOP BEING MEAN TO JULIEN HE MIGHT BE AN ASSHOLE BUT IF I SEE ANYONE BLAMING JULIEN I'LL blah blah blah blah
