Did not expect to so viscerally negatively respond to such a nice piece of art but-
wdym thatâs all you have.
You have friends that you appear to neglect
(Gangle has made no effort to reconnect directly with Ragatha or lay out her problems with her, Zooble has talked one-on-one to âŚâŚ. basically none of the cast except to argue with Jax?)
You had a funny guy who made an adventure jointly with you and filled a dull dayâs workplace with wacky hijinks that hit a sweet spot between his chaotic artist vision and your more down-to-earth needs.
You had a god who showed signs of being able to compromise with you- and you couldnât come up with any further compromise than demanding he rearrange the WHOLE circus dynamic for you.
You had an entire universe laid at your feet for one brief moment- and you couldnât figure out how to stop bickering with him long enough to prevent his death.
GAHHHHH YES guys WHY are you not bonding with ANY of the other cast, why does the writing leave this so barren, how did we manage to have an amatonormative narrative when theyâre NOT EVEN IN AN ALLOROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP
I wish amatonormativity were a person so I could stab them
Listen. I respect Gooseworx. I love her shit. But.
She claims this show is about ârelationships between the charactersâ and thereâs âno romanceâ but we saw NO resolution with Ragatha and Pomni, with Gangle and Jax, and she ULTRA focuses on Pomni&Jax merch and teasing Abstragedy in Tweets.
You came SO close to averting fandom ship wars and yet I canât figure out if your brain is basically generating romance while thinking âoh if they donât SPECIFICALLY declare it so and go on candlelit dinners and kiss it isnât romanceâ
Like I donât know who you think youâre fooling.
Like are you grayromantic and havenât realized it yet?? Or what?
lowkey im all for abolishing societal amatonormaty but this is my ship art tagged abstragedy
Give me a second Iâm trying to fight down my sarcastic impulses /gen
âYouâre all I haveâ is an amatonormative phrase.
Glad to see that people can still make shit up & get mad at a show just like old times.
Can you define what amatonormativity is?
New phrase added to vocabulary lol
spoilers
its actually a lot more amatonormative to assume that just because gangle and zooble have sex that theyre in a romantic relationship. Just so you know. and i really do not think there was any romantic implication between pomni and jax at all in the finale. Youre the one making amatonormative assumptions if you think that a characters comforting another character with a hug has inherent romantic implications. And its amatonormative to assume that platonic relationships cant Mirror romantic ones in the context of caring about and supporting people in a show
Reading compression questions:
Did the above post say âPomni and Jax are definitely in a relationship?â
Did the above post base this possibility on âa hugâ or some other literary parallel?
*comprehension
heh, autocorrect got me
Oh, and meant to add, the ship teasing and merch ads were obviously in there.
Like itâs not at all a stretch to conclude this was heavily implied to be a stillborn, doomed romo relationship.
To say otherwise is just being willfully blind to all the context tbh.
No romance happens IN the show, that technically wasnât a lie, but.
Romo FunnyBunny is not the only interpretation, (notice the post you initially replied to said âIFâ and Iâve already done a meta on the ambiguity) but itâs also not wrong to say that it has a highly amatonormative flavor.
Also throwing in for the sake of bring stubborn that Zooble and Gangle âcould possibly beâ in an allosexual-but-not-romo relationship is arguing just to argue.
There were literally hearts outside their door. Just as easily couldâve gone with some anime text/noise that meant something more raunchy. lol. That wouldâve fit her.
New phrase added to vocabulary lol
thatâs a new phrase to you?
how old are you /gen
im four đ!
Awesome how arguments on tumblr also resemble talking to a brick wall thats sarcastic to you sometimes
Very much agree, ButchGangle started trolling and is a brick wall when it comes to understanding nuance or amatonormativity
And just in case anybody was still unclear, I posted this đ before any of the timestamps of this discussion, so I did in fact not âassertâ that FunnyBunny âwasâ a romo couple, only that it had that VIBE.
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đŹ 0  đ 1  â¤ď¸ 9 ¡ Gosh darn it, I really LIKED this about the finale, while watching it, but reflecting on it more, it seemed totally unearne
quick question are you indigenous or do you just like having the name of an indigenous group in your url while you harass indigenous poc artists
Oh apparently having discourse about a show is "harassment" now. Apologize to Gooseworx who has actual death threats and other negativity and junk going on. /hs Pointing out amatonormativity as an ace is harassment, clearly, just like taking white people to task for microaggressions with tone they can police hurts their fee fees. So you try to wheedle out of your own responsibility for trolling and being entirely bad faith by deflecting. Nice. Are you referring to yourself or OP? How is anybody supposed to know this information just by looking at a piece of shipping art, praytell? Your attempt at twisting this is so pathetic. "sherpas" sounds like "circus", thought it was pretty obvious that's why the blog is named that. Not a lot of things rhyme with circus. I've been complimented on the slant rhyme elsewhere, funny enough. People should definitely care about the opinion of a blog who can't take accountability for their behavior and tries to force some sort of ill intent where there clearly is none.
accountability for ummmmmmm⌠drawing gangle⌠and zoobleâŚ. looking reall lovinglh into each orhers eyes⌠fuckk.. guys. im so fucking.. sorry⌠gyess⌠guys im so fucking sorry im indigenous and i made the agregious offense of⌠drawing⌠zooble,, and gangle,, amazing digtial circus⌠holding hands ⌠and i didnt even include caine⌠fuuuuck dude fuck. im so sorry . im sorry amazing digital sherpas⌠i didnt mean to be indigenous⌠i didnt mean to draw gangle and zooble holding hands
"trolling" <did this entirely just escape your notice? As the issue that needed accountability?
Are you still trolling? Where did Caine come into it?? Huh? *scrolls back up ohhhh. Still a little confused on your thought process, but are you saying you somehow interpreted the first person who replied was asking you to include Caine in the artwork? That's . . . strange. I guess nobody should expect you to address the amatonormative wording by now, given it's been *checks timestamps* since March 23rd that somebody's pointed it out more explicitly than the original responder. "i didn't mean to be indigenous" Not sure how that's a response to anything typed here, either. I said "nobody could know that information" not "how dare you be indigenous" LMFAO what?
Interesting. This person below seems to also mistakenly believe that the issue with that post is Abstrategy itself. Iâm not sure how they came to this conclusion, given the discourse on it was pretty specific and clear, but what are you gonna do. Tumblrites gonna have bad reading comprehension.
I definitely donât expect people to notice that Iâve re-blogged other Abstragedy art on this blog before, (you could verify for yourself with a tag search tho) but after reading literal paragraphs of what the problem actually IS, they still donât come away with it? How?
Also, I did not in fact âstart itâ. I was simply agreeing with somebody else who was commenting on the series. Maybe they didn't actually read or retain the thread . . .?
That complaint evolved outward from yet another different person who was pointing out the amatonormativity in the word choice.
Again, reading comprehension on this site is frighteningly low.
I cut out a bunch of other yap that wasnât very relevant to the topic at hand that nobody needs to sit thru (BTW, OP- realized you WERE OP, whoops- glad you're not arguing or pushing that particular attempt to paint me in a negative light anymore, given it was clearly ridiculous.)
So, you agree that perpetuating amotnormativity is at the very least a mildly problematic thing to do, (being very generous here) and yet you defend the person perpetuating that problematic activity and never acknowledging that they are doing it- (even with multiple users pointing it out to them)- with a very specific sentence?
Yes, a show can push a ship that is otherwise enjoyable in a way that is amatonormative. Yes. Thatâs the issue. Do we have a grasp of it yet?
The post compounded that vibe by using an amatonormative sentence.
(Again, the problem is NOT the Abstragedy ship itself. I really donât know how this could possibly be more clear.)
Mmmm yes, the exact self preserving anger and fandom hierarchy leading to social segregation and degradation of fandom by criticizing/harassing creators for playing with dolls in their sand box I've been talking about all month.
Some folks don't know their fandom history and just want to rehash KirkSpock or Kink at Pride over and over until they die because they are too invested in their own misery.
again itâs fascinating people can just handwave amatonormativity and never actually grasp what the problem is.
If anybody does the least bit of problematic stuff towards trans people, disabled people, whitewashing characters, etc etc itâs taken seriously but not a feministâs analysis.
Curious.
Also curious that itâs equated with exclusionism (I assume that what youâre talking about when you say âkink at prideâ) when shouting down asexual voices is the exact spirit of exclusionism.
Your dad handwaves amatonormativity in his life when i rawdog him without romantic intent. The only exclusionism happening here is excluding your mom from the bedroom. The problem being grasped here is my aro fat fucking hog in his hands. Im performing a feminist analysis about how equating kind actions and words with romantic intent is actually more misogynistic than the other way around, because its arguing that the only reason a woman would be kind is for romance or sex while he slobbers on my meat like a dobby dog.
Itâs not misogynistic. Itâs amatonormative.
Do you think feminism only ever deals with sexism?
That would explain why the dumbass 3rd grader level insult response.
I have no idea where âa woman would only do something for romanceâ came from. Do you wanna elaborate? Do you want to ask OP if their SHIP art is somehow not romantic, since they didnât tag it allosexual aro etc etc?
I will elaborate:
I have your dad bouncing and moaning on it. My giant fat meat throbs inside him and he wishes hed found me earlier in life, when times were right. If only hed been born in this time, this era, where he could fall in love with my jiggly stomach and big round balls in his 20s so we could spend our lives together. He wonders, briefly as i fuck his brain out, if he could still go back. Make that change. Reverse the clock 20 years and stop himself from getting a woman pregnant, so the burden of fatherhood wouldnt keep him from me like it had done for so long. God. He prays on his hands and knees, bent over to take me better, God, take me back. If only i hadnt told myself i had to marry. If only i hadnt told myself i couldnt have this fat hunk. If only i hadnt had such a chud child, i couldve been free this whole time. Its not about the romance, never about the romance. But the clarity of existing, untied down. Sexually free. There was no need to label it as alloromantic ace, or aromatic allosexual. Living in the moment, balls slapping against back in the sweet june heat, i lean over to comfort him. This connection is all we have, i whisper in his ear lovingly, in this digital hell.
Remember kids, harassing strangers with sexual content is ok as long as you disagree with their opinions or the opinions of someone you want to white knight for! Chat, bro is inventing aro on aro crime by engaging with someone who has a high probability of sex repulsion. It's actually kind of morbidly fascinating that a topic such as amatonormativity could turn aces or aros against each other. Gonna save this for later and show to some ace friends with some whiteouts added.
No dont you get it? Its not harassment unless the person talking says it is. Remember when you were told you were harassing an indigenous person and you said no it isnt? And then you doubled down on racism saying you assumed indigenous people had thicker skin? Im just using your logic, im not harassing you because were just having a discussion! Sure i put triggering content in there and doubled down, but Youre actually the bad person for not listening to My criticism of your behavior. Honestly youre being really homophobic right now because of it. Do you mind if i reblog 7 more times and add increasingly longer and longer responses and include more and more sexual content intended to get a rise out of you in each one? You set the rules here, im just doing what youve been doing for the past week. No clue why youre even upset, i have autism you know. If you have a problem with it why dont you block me and OP and move on? People really just dont know how to respond to criticism nowadays.
Are you honestly trying to gaslight every single person reading this into thinking you werenât very specifically attempting to upset an asexual person with sexual content?
Thatâs like Jax level.
Discussing a story is not harassment. Harassment is TARGETED. Harassment is hostility towards a person. The 3 ace people who have discussed amatonormativity on this thread were as follows: me, discussing the STORY, not the artist, which would be targeting. a second person pointing out amatonormativity. If pointing out amatonormativity is âharassmentâ then so is pointing out cisnormativity, heteronormativity, etc etc. and a third person who yes maybe was actually reacting to the idea in the art, but talking more to the characters than the artist. This is like saying âhey Jax is a bad personâ is attacking/harassing Gooseworx.
So yeah your little harassment white knighting isnât cute.
The strawmanning is weird too.
âthicker skinâ literally not what I said. And anyone reading the convo can see that, so again unclear why the attempt at gaslighting.
Ok so like. I think youre actually too stupid for me to continue this. Get offline man its rotting your brain like genuinely.
