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Updates to WoF:B + Talons of Peace document
The WoF:B controversy document has been updated. I was able to speak to a user directly involved with the situation and got more context and information that I was missing previously.
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Ok, I might just be screaming into the void here, but I am NOT going to stop playing Wings of Fire Roblox just because a popular developer got fired.
The amount of people I've heard say that they were only playing the game because their favorite YouTuber was working on it shocked me. People are afraid that this is the end of the game and yes it will be the end if everyone stops playing because they can't separate a popular YouTuber from the game as a whole.
However, the remaining developers are trying to find new people and not let this setback kill the game and that will only work if we keep playing the game and making videos.
I have some videos I've taken while playing the game that I'm going to start uploading to my YouTube and I'm going to keep making new ones because I want to keep supporting the game, even after a bunch of other people left because they considered one popular developer to be the entire game.
Obligatory link to my Wings of Fire Roblox YouTube playlist
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I've read though your document and have two things to suggest:
Firstly, Bellasaurus made a video after being fired that showed the entire map update. Link here. As there has been nothing announced about the map updates being removed/scraped, she essentially responded to getting fired for privately leaking by publicly leaking everything.
Secondly, I do not believe that allowing other people to speak their minds without deleting their comments is proof that the developers agreed with their comments. Free speech exists and removing every opinionated message would just create a toxic echo chamber. Especially since in both cases you mentioned the developers tried to redirect the conversation or move it into a private chat instead of the public server.
Everything else seems like a solid documentation of the issues.
Thanks for the input and thanks for reading. I'll consider that and implement some changes to emphasize that the developers attempted to redirect the conversation. As for Bellasaurus’ server, I believe the TJ comment should have been moderated. A member of the moderation team in that server had essentially encouraged the comment by leaving an upvote, which left a bad taste in my mouth personally, and felt important enough to the situation to leave in. I also think dog-piling the game could motivate users to raid/harass TJ, whether or not intentionally. I don't believe free speech would make sense in a situation where it's purely speculation and can bring harm to others based on that speculation. It feels like a dangerous path to follow and can lead to some mod-mentality chaos.
(I can't find screenshots of this, but I thought I read that) Bella was allowed to show her portion of scrapped game development, meaning, in some capacity, the video was allowed to be uploaded, which is why I didn't cover it. Though I'm sure not all of this is her work. It might contain some of Goldy's, which I'm unsure was allowed to be made public, since she never said she'd revoke the rights to her assets for the game. I don't know if the recording was taken after or before permission was granted, because she talked about the video within 12 hours after the demotions. The timeline gets foggy there.
I'll probably have to sit and listen to the video. I haven't with the assumption it was just the map being shown, but I've heard it has some dialogue.
I didn’t realize a moderator had upvoted that comment, that changes things and it should stay in the document then. I do still think that not deleting the photosensitivity warning rant is not proof that they agreed with all the language used, especially since they wanted to move that conversation out of the public chat.
I watched the video with sound and Bellasaurus was worried about being kicked while filming so I assumed that she wasn’t filming with permission. I don’t know if she got permission afterwards, but at the time of filming she had lost dev commands and was worried about being caught in the server.
I am a little confused because I can only find the announcement saying that Bizzle’s contributions are being removed but everyone is saying Bellasaurus’ contributions are also getting removed. Was there some announcement I missed? (I never linked my discord to my Roblox account so I might not be able to see all of the chat channels)
Thanks for letting me know about the video, I'll look into it.
I've updated the document with a statement Bellasaurus made last night that confirms she had requested her assets out of the game. She has since gone back on that, though. I don't think we know if Arch will allow for her stuff to be added back. There was no announcement you missed, it wasn't announced in that channel. I think we only knew of it for a while in Bella's own Discord server.
The photosensitivity rant contained ableist language, so it should have been treated as any other form of bigoted rant. That's why I included it, because that content isn't allowed in the server. The user seemed to be warned, so moderation did (supposedly, unless the warn was for something else) take action and did see an issue with the message that Goldy didn't. I wouldn't agree with the message being deleted if it was not ableist. But it was, and for that, it had no right to stay up in the server.
Ok, I might just be screaming into the void here, but I am NOT going to stop playing Wings of Fire Roblox just because a popular developer got fired.
The amount of people I've heard say that they were only playing the game because their favorite YouTuber was working on it shocked me. People are afraid that this is the end of the game and yes it will be the end if everyone stops playing because they can't separate a popular YouTuber from the game as a whole.
However, the remaining developers are trying to find new people and not let this setback kill the game and that will only work if we keep playing the game and making videos.
I have some videos I've taken while playing the game that I'm going to start uploading to my YouTube and I'm going to keep making new ones because I want to keep supporting the game, even after a bunch of other people left because they considered one popular developer to be the entire game.
Obligatory link to my Wings of Fire Roblox YouTube playlist
Talons of Peace Developers and Misuse of Power THIS DOCUMENT CONTAINS BRIGHT, STRAINING COLORS AND DEPICTIONS OF BLOOD This document discus
I've read though your document and have two things to suggest:
Firstly, Bellasaurus made a video after being fired that showed the entire map update. Link here. As there has been nothing announced about the map updates being removed/scraped, she essentially responded to getting fired for privately leaking by publicly leaking everything.
Secondly, I do not believe that allowing other people to speak their minds without deleting their comments is proof that the developers agreed with their comments. Free speech exists and removing every opinionated message would just create a toxic echo chamber. Especially since in both cases you mentioned the developers tried to redirect the conversation or move it into a private chat instead of the public server.
Everything else seems like a solid documentation of the issues.
Thanks for the input and thanks for reading. I'll consider that and implement some changes to emphasize that the developers attempted to redirect the conversation. As for Bellasaurus’ server, I believe the TJ comment should have been moderated. A member of the moderation team in that server had essentially encouraged the comment by leaving an upvote, which left a bad taste in my mouth personally, and felt important enough to the situation to leave in. I also think dog-piling the game could motivate users to raid/harass TJ, whether or not intentionally. I don't believe free speech would make sense in a situation where it's purely speculation and can bring harm to others based on that speculation. It feels like a dangerous path to follow and can lead to some mod-mentality chaos.
(I can't find screenshots of this, but I thought I read that) Bella was allowed to show her portion of scrapped game development, meaning, in some capacity, the video was allowed to be uploaded, which is why I didn't cover it. Though I'm sure not all of this is her work. It might contain some of Goldy's, which I'm unsure was allowed to be made public, since she never said she'd revoke the rights to her assets for the game. I don't know if the recording was taken after or before permission was granted, because she talked about the video within 12 hours after the demotions. The timeline gets foggy there.
I'll probably have to sit and listen to the video. I haven't with the assumption it was just the map being shown, but I've heard it has some dialogue.
Ok, I might just be screaming into the void here, but I am NOT going to stop playing Wings of Fire Roblox just because a popular developer got fired.
The amount of people I've heard say that they were only playing the game because their favorite YouTuber was working on it shocked me. People are afraid that this is the end of the game and yes it will be the end if everyone stops playing because they can't separate a popular YouTuber from the game as a whole.
However, the remaining developers are trying to find new people and not let this setback kill the game and that will only work if we keep playing the game and making videos.
I have some videos I've taken while playing the game that I'm going to start uploading to my YouTube and I'm going to keep making new ones because I want to keep supporting the game, even after a bunch of other people left because they considered one popular developer to be the entire game.
Obligatory link to my Wings of Fire Roblox YouTube playlist
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wof:b document
a document containing context on a small portion of the current wings of fire: beta on roblox (talons of peace) controversies.
click here or below
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