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Inktober Day 12: Boga! OwO
I know the prequels weren’t great… but Boga was SUPER CUTE.
whenever obi-wan pulls that Fuck Shit™
So uhm yeah I can’t stop thinking about him, h e l p
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Some Varactyl ( Boga) appreciation posts because there’s not enough of them. If I can have 1 animal from the SW universe to keep as a pet, its a varactyl
what I love most about obi wan is that like. in terms of power levels and raw natural ability he's kind of..... average??? nothing to write home about????? and even so he's still one of the most respected jedi masters out there, the jedi master you point to and go "you see him? he's the definition of a jedi"
he's all hard work and dedication and determination and it SHOWS. people look up to him!! jedi know it's not how powerful you are it's what you do with that power and the fact that he worked so hard to get there??? they recognize that effort. achievements are more noteworthy for having struggled to be achieved than if it took no effort at all
in a universe of anakins and yodas and mace windus who are objectively powerhouses in the force it's my mans kenobi out here posed as the model jedi like bro....... bro 😭
(gffa) obi wan kenobi, jedi order, meta, the thing that especially gets me about this is that it's not just the narrative, it's also the other jedi who are like yeah that kenobi's pretty great, he's one of the absolute best of us, i mean he's on the council and he's sent on important missions and everyone treats him with respect, the jedi absolutely value what you do with your connection, not the sheer power of it, otherwise they'd have been kissing anakin's ass no matter what he did, instead of being like 'skywalker you're very powerful but you need to do better at control',
A Refutation of Telltale’s “Is the Jedi Order a Cult?”
I was directed to this video that claims that the Jedi Order is a cult during a discussion on reddit earlier, and while the person who linked it respectfully asked to end the discussion we were having, I figure the video is worth addressing on its own, separately from that discussion. So I’ve cleaned up the points I made over on reddit and stripped out the stuff relevant to that conversation, to explain just what I took issue with with this video.
To the video-maker’s credit, he does acknowledge that the Jedi are presented as correct within the narrative of the films. Having run into one too many “the point of the prequels was the flaws of the Jedi” across the Internet, I have to say it’s refreshing to see Jedi-critical arguments made without that assumption.
I still disagree with pretty much all of the points made in the video, and found it to be uncharitable, blatantly incorrect at times, and almost completely lacking in concrete examples and evidence of his claims, but he has a right to his own interpretations, especially in that he acknowledges that they’re not the intended takeaway. But I hope that my response will show that it’s not something actually reflected by the source material, and that the Jedi are not actually a cult, even setting aside creator intentions.
Disclaimer – I’m not familiar with this video-creator’s other work, but from what’s said in the video, it does seem that this isn’t his usual kind of material, and that he intended this as “lighthearted” video. With that in mind, its lack of robustness and misinformation is forgivable – this response is mostly meant as something for me (or you, if you want) to point to the next time someone brings this video up to support their position, not as a criticism of this video-creator or his work in general. If you choose to engage with the video directly, please be kind.
He begins his arguments by claiming that the Jedi erase people’s identities by having them block their emotions completely - this isn’t true; what we see the Jedi say is “be mindful of your feelings” (Mace Windu, TPM), and “don’t let your personal feelings get in the way” (Obi-Wan, AOTC), and “don’t let your feelings cloud your judgement” (several times). All of that requires acknowledgment of one’s emotions and dealing with them appropriately.
He then claims that those who leave are shunned - this is again, blatantly untrue. For instance, at the beginning of AOTC, Dooku is still spoken of highly long after he has left the Order - the Jedi are reluctant to even entertain the idea that he could be behind the attack on Padmé. The Sith are for one thing, not necessarily ex-members of the Order, and for another, they’re “shunned” because they’re going around torturing and murdering people, not because of heretical views on the Force. We see in TCW that the Jedi Order co-exists peacefully with other Force traditions, even dark-sided ones like the Nightsisters.
Another claim he makes is “There aren’t any checks and balances for the Jedi Council”, which is again, untrue - the Jedi are accountable to the Senate, and, if anything, that arrangement is skewed in favor of the Senate, because the Senate is not truly accountable in turn. The Jedi Council is ultimately pressured into decisions against its will, especially as the war goes on – most notably, Anakin’s appointment to the Council in ROTS.
He is critical of the Jedi taking in children, but the same can be said of any adoption - simply taking in children is not, in of itself, cult behavior, or else every adoptive family is a cult. The approach the author of this video takes to this category is too broad and does not adequately establish how to distinguish cults preying on children from healthy child-rearing.
He then claims that Jedi are expected to obey unquestioningly – but I disagree that this is evidenced in the source material. The Jedi are expected to respect their elders but we don’t see harsh punishment for disobedience or dissent, merely disapproval. For instance, the most trouble Qui-Gon, as a noted maverick, gets is some exasperated side-eye. Similar to the previous claim, the approach the author takes is too broad and doesn’t distinguish a cult’s expectation of obedience from a parent’s expectation of obedience.
He claims that the Jedi control clothing and hairstyle - this is misleading at best. While the padawans all are expected to wear the braid, the hairstyle isn’t set beyond that (many species don’t even have hair!), and even with the Jedi sporting a traditional outfit, we see their robes and tunics come in many different shades and colors. Some forgo the traditional robes all together, such as Ahsoka Tano, Luminara Unduli, Aayla Secura, some of them even wearing the ornamentation of their homeworld cultures on top of that (again, Ahsoka, Luminara, and Barriss Offee, and Depa Billaba, and Shaak Ti…).
Sith are, again, not ex-members as the video-author implies, and again, the issue with them is the torturing and murdering and enslaving people, not simple philosophical differences. The Jedi are perfectly allowed to speak with outsiders and presumably critics of their Order; they just don’t want to let a bunch of genocidal despots have their way with the galaxy. The video also makes an unfair assumption that Jedi can’t get information from outside sources; there is no evidence for this – in fact, we see in AOTC that Obi-Wan turns to an outside source when he can’t get the results he wants from the Temple droids, and even trusts that outside source over contradicting information coming from within the Temple’s information base (i.e., the existence of Kamino – he does not simply accept that Kamino doesn’t exist, he seeks further wisdom on the matter).
The video-author completely omits the fact that Palpatine is arrested not merely because of being “on the dark side”, but because the man had orchestrated a war for his own sake and was attempting to turn the Republic into a dictatorship under his control. That is a very good reason to arrest someone.
Regarding the good versus evil section - first of all, the Jedi in the first six films never once refer to “the light side”. Not once. I don’t recall if it came up in TCW (aside from the beings on Mortis, but they are not Jedi), either. Luke does refer to the “good side” in the OT but his teachers don’t call it that. This point also goes against the visual metaphors that Lucas makes use of: “Color plays an extremely important part. The bad guys exist mostly in a black and white world; the good guys live in an organic world of browns and greens. Philosophically the bad guys live in an absolute world of black and white, where the good guys live in a more naturally nuanced world.” - George Lucas, the Making of ROTJ. The Jedi’s belief system is more nuanced than “this is good” and “this is bad”, and their rules and Code are not purely about morals.
The video goes back to the identity thing – but as I’ve already said, several Jedi are seen wearing the garments and ornamentation of their birth cultures. They also keep their birth names, and seem to value names highly given how they approach the clone troops under their command. Here’s a good post going into that even more.
The “Code” and swearing-in ceremonies he cites are not used in the films or TCW. I’m not sure where the swearing-in is sourced from, either, and the “Code” is a meditation mantra.
The things the Jedi say are not to stop complex thought – his example of Obi-Wan even at once point telling Anakin to “use the Force! Think!”, indicating that he would like for Anakin to think things through – he echoes this later in ROTS, trying to get Anakin to consider the Chancellor’s suspicious behavior. There’s also the fact that the way Yoda speaks is by George Lucas’s own words, designed to get people thinking about what Yoda is saying.
Comparing meditation to hypnosis is…completely uncharitable.
And again with the emotions thing - at no point are any emotions labeled evil, nor do they avoid them - they are expected to be mindful (i.e. cognizant) of them, and to not let those emotions rule their actions. There is nothing to indicate that their teachings are the most uncharitable and extreme interpretation you can take from their words (as this video does) instead of a reasonable and healthy approach to self-control that is actually valuable psychologically.
His final claims repeat the earlier claim of “shunning” - again, there is no evidence for this behavior towards non-believers, especially as we see them having friends outside the Order. And at no point does anyone say that there is no happiness outside of the Order.
I hope I addressed all his points and sufficiently explained why they don’t match up with what we see in the source material. If you want further reading on how the Jedi actually function, with robust sources, I recommend checking out @gffa’s reference guide for the current continuity. There is also my “in defense of the jedi” tag, which collects my and others’ meta posts on the Jedi, their philosophies, and actions.
don’t trust anybody who dislikes obi wan kenobi
don’t worry; I don’t.
Beautiful Shaak Ti ✨

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Yeah, okay, the ‘Rex resisted the chip and Cody just started blasting’ thing is a joke and all, but it’s important to remember that Rex was the only living clone not in a stasis pod that had any knowledge of the chip’s true purpose.
Cody had no idea that it existed, and therefore had no way to recognize what was happening when his free will started slipping away and the chip’s programming started to take over. I’m sure he and all the other clones were terrified and fighting it with all of their might, but they were doing so without a clear concept of what, exactly, they were trying to overcome. They could panic and struggle and scream all they wanted, but in the end, they had no more choice than Rex ultimately did.
Cody wasn’t weaker than Rex for ordering his men to fire on Kenobi. Obi-Wan didn’t mean less to Cody.
The chips took away their free will - and therefore their capacity to choose. That’s how it works. It wasn’t a matter of ‘who loved their Jedi more.’
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Enjoy! Some Jedi saving clone troopers..
Season 1, Episode 21 - Liberty on Ryloth
Season 2, Episode 2 - Cargo of Doom
Season 1, Episode 7 - Duel of the Droids
Season 1, Episode 1 - Ambush
Season 1, Episode 20 - Innocents of Ryloth
Season 1, Episode 14 - Defenders of Peace
Season 1, Episode 10, Lair of Grievous
Mace Windu: “Too many lives were lost on Geonosis. Too many flames extinguished. How can I ask more men to follow behind me to the slaughter?”
Yoda: “How many more will die if you do not? All the more reason we must fight. Understand your thoughts, I do, but give into them, you must not.”
every padmé deleted scene: “padmé addresses the senate”
#I wish this scene was kept #Maybe it would help people understand army creation decision was in the hands of the Senate not the Jedi #Although this was before The Republic discovered the Separatist army on Geonosis #What would have happened when that army rose and attacked defenseless Republic?
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Ultimately Palpatine was still directing things so I doubt he’d have Dooku have them attack (at least not on a large scale) while the Republic was defenseless - he never intended to let the Separatists win, it had to be a relatively drawn-out give-and-take affair so he could continue getting voted more power. If the Separatists hold too much of an advantage instead of just enough, that runs the risk of them actually winning before the Republic gets the chance to get their military off the ground, clones or no clones. So I would imagine Dooku would’ve been told to delay things as much as possible until the Republic did get their army (which is why they arranged for the Jedi to discover the Clone Army to coincide with the Droid Army being ready to deploy).
@blackkatmagic Makes ya wonder what he would have done if the Jedi straight up REFUSED to allow the Senate to make them anything other than peacekeepers. If they had put their foot down and even moved away from Corascant to one of the other Jedi temples out in the Galaxy.
I think it would have changed relatively little in the way events ultimately ended up playing out.
The Chancellor, backed by the Senate willingly giving him more and more executive powers as he continued to manipulate them into a state of existential fear, willingly trading their freedom and self-governance away in exchange for the promise of security, would have still deployed the clone troopers as part of the Republic’s GAR to fight against the Separatist droid invasion army he was controlling indirectly as well. The war would have still waged across the galaxy, devastating worlds and resulting in billions of deaths. More clone troopers would be dead than before…. all of those many scenes we saw of Jedi shielding front lines of troops with their lightsabers, saving lives, all that is gone… those men that might have lived through those battles under that shield are dead now without their protection.
The populace and the politicians all <i>hate</i> the Jedi even more now than before, for abandoning them in their time of need… where were the Jedi when Ryloth was occupied? Where were the Jedi when helpless colonies were being razed to the dirt? Where were the Jedi when Coruscant itself was bombed and thousands of civilians died in the aftermath? Off in their own little White Tower shelter, just looking after themselves and keep their own hands oh-so-pristine-clean, rather than putting themselves on the line to help stand against the invading droid armies committing atrocities against the people the Jedi had purportedly sworn to defend. When there is a vast army determined to devastate your people and your lands, the way Palpatine and Dooku had set up the Separatists to be, the only way to oppose them is <i>with another army</i>… that’s just the reality of it.
Oh, and of course, the vast majority of clone troopers would despise and resent the Jedi for that choice in equal measure. People think they would be grateful for that choice? That they would look at the Jedi’s decision to stand aside in moral protest of the war and appreciate that they were doing it out of consideration for their status? Hell no, most of them absolutely wouldn’t. It’s not like the Jedi breaking off from the Republic government in protest of their decisions changes anything about the nature of the Chancellor/Senate’s control of the GAR and the decisions they would still make in the situation they’ve found themselves in. The Chancellor would still order the GAR stood up when the completed-and-ready droid invasion army was discovered on Geonosis. The clone troopers would still be out there dying in the trenches every day. Every hour. More of them dying than needed. They’ve all lost brothers out there who might have made it through if the Jedi had been fighting beside them as they’d been promised… as they’d been <i>trained for</i>. Instead, the Jedi abandoned them when they were needed most… leaving them to die in greater numbers without their unique abilities and skills to bolster their conventional attacks and defenses.
And, don’t forget, the control chips are already in place either way. Once Palpatine has the board arranged to his liking, he’s going to give the order. And the genocide of the Jedi that he’s been painstakingly setting up will be executed. Whether or not the Jedi participated in the war and fought beside the troopers, saving as many of their lives as they practically could, fighting to save the civilian populaces being devastated by the Separatist droid armies… or not… Palpatine had the whole thing locked down pretty damn airtight.
So in the end, the galaxy would still have been weakened by a prolonged conflict, the legislature would still have handed powers over to Palpatine in hopes he would reward them with the security they craved, the clone troopers would still have been sent off to die for a Republic that wasn’t willing to fight their own battles (just in larger numbers without the Jedi to stand with them this time), and no matter how much the Jedi cried out for peace, tried to argue for a diplomatic solution (from a completely outsider position this time, of course, so even less effective than before), no matter how many little bandaids they tried to put on things with humanitarian assistance missions, all people would be able to see is their abandonment of their duties at the hour they were needed most…that billions of people died in a conflict the Jedi apparently thought themselves too good to participate in.
So, the Republic still chooses to hand their government over to a tyrant. The clone troopers still get mind-wiped by the chips implanted by Palpatine. The Jedi are still the victims of a violent genocide conducted unwillingly by said controlled troops and the populace still doesn’t care enough to protest, since the Jedi apparently had no problems turning their backs on them. Why would they care about their fate?
People need to stop saying that obi-wan, luminara, and mace windu or any of character isn't showing their affection enough, or villainizing them for being reserved. That is dangerous thinking, saying that people have to fit into certain patterns in showing emotions to be valid.
Not everyone comfortable with overtly physical affection or overtly grand affections and that's fine and shouldn't be demonized or hated. People have their own way of showing their affections and that's okay.

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Form III: Soresu ↳ Soresu is the third form of classical Lightsaber combat and is regarded as the most defensive. Form III originated as set of stances and maneuvers designed to counter incoming blaster fire. As the form developed into a more mainstream combat style it became more popular and eventually progressed into the defensive form it is today. Unlike most other forms, Soresu focuses almost exclusively on defense and parries with few attack actions. It has been said a true master of Soresu would be virtual invincible. It has been said that the only reason any Jedi survived the Clone Wars at all was due to Soresu. They certainly did not win, but the impossibly strong defensive styles of Form III meant many evaded ultimate defeat. (x)
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