repost - file under A for: argumentum ad arboretum
(Originally posted Feb. 5, 2014. The original post can be accessed at alphascrawl.wordpress.com.)
A lot of people are talking today about last nightâs Nye/Ham debate. Some people talked about it with pen and paper. Iâm more interested in this than I am in the debate itself. These are the types of people we interact with and talk to; these are the things people say when science and religion are discussed.
Thereâs a lot to dig into, here. These 22 responders have condensed their whole arguments into one-sentence zingersâ a kind of brevity I have a hard time achievingâ because of the constraints of their internet photo gimmick, but thatâs a thing that people do in real conversations, too. Get into a conversation with somebody who has something to prove, and theyâll often deliver a one-liner they think is too good to dispute (and by the smirks on some of these faces at the link, theyâre pretty proud of their cleverness).
I think this is fascinating. This process of boiling down a point of view to a single sentence does some interesting thingsâ it shows you what a person thinks is important about their reasoning, what they find convincing, and what theyâre really aiming to disprove. It cuts through a lot of obfuscating language and can reveal thinking errors really clearly. (If you like to hunt down logical fallacies, the one-sentence responses in this link are easy prey.)
Because I saw it asked about elsewhere, I want to talk about comment #5: âHow do you explain a sunset if there is no God?â
This is a version of a pretty standard street-level apologetic. The assertion is that everybody should know that God exists, because the splendor of the natural world counts as evidence. (Iâve heard this called argumentum ad arboretum after the common form: âLook at the treesâŚ.â Man, I wish I had come up with that first.)
Itâs often related to a serious problem for believers: what happens to people who live and die without ever having heard of their religion, and who have never had a chance to either accept or reject its claims? Do they go to hell by default, and if so, how is that fair? This motivates a lot of proselytization, this idea that evangelizing in the farthest corners of the world saves people from hell by default. But Christians must also surely realize (as I did in Sunday school, to the consternation of my teacher) that even if itâs possible today to reach 100% of the population with your message, for most of history it has been totally impossible.
If Christian doctrine is correct, Hell is full of people whose crime is being born in the wrong place and timeâ anyone born before Jesusâs ministry, or in any part of the world before Christian missionaries could reach that region. Never having had any chance to consider a religion theyâd never heard of, theyâre eternally tormented by default, and that makes the Christian God look like an asshole.
This is an uncomfortable problem for Christians, and apparently unsolvable without making stuff up. So we get to this idea that the natural world counts as enough evidence to get you to the right religious conclusion, and anyone who still winds up in hell, well, itâs their own damned fault for ignoring all the very clear signs. Of course, if Iâm Chinese in 50 C. E. or a Native American before any European reached Americaâs shores or a present-day member of an isolated tribe with no contact with the modern worldâ I should still be able to look around at trees and sunsets and logically deduce not just the existence of a god but the correct god, deduce sin and the need for atonement, deduce Jesus, deduce that I should pray in a highly specific way to ask for salvation, the whole package.
I should be able to figure all of that out on my own, based on trees and sunsets. And if I canât, then itâs hell, forever. (âIgnorance is no excuse. Why werenât you paying attention to the trees and sunsets?â)
At its most basic level, this âsunsets equals Godâ sentiment is tacky, high-gloss spirituality, saccharine and shallow. Follow it back to its root, though, and you get this sinister justification for hellâ everyone ever born has seen plenty of evidence for God, according to this claim, and if youâre not a proper believer then youâve seen all that evidence and rejected God anyway.
In this way, argumentum ad arboretum fuels theistsâ misunderstandings of atheists. After all, in their worldview, thereâs irrefutable evidence of God all around us, every day, and weâve all seen itâ how can it be possible for someone to just not believe? I think the common misconceptions about atheistsâ that weâre âmad at God,â or that we âknow God exists but are deliberately rebelling because sin is so much funâ or whateverâ come from this idea that disbelief is impossible because God is so obvious.
Itâs a dangerous idea that fuels hostility, because when atheists say we donât believe because we donât see any evidence, they conclude we must be lying. And once youâve decided that someoneâs lying about their position or their reasons for holding it, itâs easy to fill in the blanks with whatever horrible narrative about evil infidels your culture has supplied.
One last point before we file this one away: I mentioned near the top of this post that these messages are dense in logical fallacies. So for message #5, âHow do you explain a sunset if there is no God?â, Iâm going to pick out two separate fallacies (not counting the whole argumentum ad arboretum business weâve discussed already).
First, itâs begging the questionâ the writer asks the question in a way that presupposes the answer she wants. Whoâs to say sunsets need a divine explanation, or any explanation at all, or that âGod made itâ is any kind of useful or satisfactory explanation?
Also, Iâd be prepared to call this either an argument from ignorance, or an argument from personal incredulity, depending on which way you want to try inferring the writerâs premises. A subtle distinction, but interesting to me, between the argument from ignorance (âWe donât know why sunsets are the way they are, therefore Godâ) and the argument from personal incredulity (âI canât imagine something so beautiful without a God who made it, therefore itâs not possible without Godâ).
Long post, I know. Thanks for sticking with me.