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it’s so special to me that so much of fan culture is textual analysis for the love of the game. like thank god there are people in my phone who are also thinking about this thing i love so much that they are writing transformative fiction as character studies and setting clips of the show to music with theme-relevant lyrics and writing long text posts analyzing every line of dialogue like!! yay!!!
You said it’s a sensitive topic LOL but I was wondering if you could talk about Jeongcheol? What do you think of their dynamic and that.
*cries in im not strong enough to answer this but i will try*
ok so. to be able to talk about their dynamics, we need to talk about them individually first, but mostly into their love langs. and this will most likely be a long one so i will just. add a read more here
for jeonghan, i’ve answered a couple of asks today about him which you most likely saw. you can check them, but this one is the “main” ask that focus on his love lang. in general lines, again, jeonghan’s love lang has to do with adapting to others. to being prob one of the most observant people i have ever seen and using that to develop his dynamics. when it comes to how i perceive his personality in general, it kinda goes with this observant line + him being very fucking private. we do have glimpses of how he is if you’re able to separate his dynamics from him alone. @bbugyu also just answered an ask about his mbti and him in general here so it’s also worth the read. generally speaking, he is observant, flexible, a planner. not necessarily introverted by the definition we’re used to as he can be extroverted as well. but for this jeongcheol thingy, i’ll focus mostly on his love lang which i will not get too deep into once again bc i seriously need to stop talking about this and how he adapts to others.
when it comes to cheol, it’s kinda like mingyu. what you see is what you get. there’s not this crazy built idol persona like jeonghan. and we also need to talk about him being the leader. this curiouscat by my meta queen hwa talks a bit about how the way cheol was raised influences on his leadership style + his personality. bc if we look at it, when we think of a kpop leader, cheol’s style is not the first thing that comes to mind. i think he’s more of idk an impulsive force? than those lead by example style. he is a leader but he sometimes acts like a fucking maknae. he mentioned i think in htr? that he gains strength from others. he is full of aegyo and he is spoiled. actually his htr is a great glimpse of who i think cheol is. his heart is literally ginormous and it shows. but i feel like being a leader sometimes is hard to manage with all this emotional + somewhat childish side he has.
and this is where fucking yoon jeonghan and his fucking absurd and immaculate love lang comes.
jeonghan sees that. and he acts on it. and i don’t think the role he plays for cheol has a lot to do with him being the second oldest. it’s more about how he adapts to others. as he’s an observant creature, he clearly sees where cheol lacks. and he’s also a very good mediator by nature (telling booseok to stop arguing and take a selca like hello????). jeonghan clearly helps cheol with leading svt. and he doesn’t do it to idk steal cheol’s spot or for the spotlight. like pretty much everything we see from him, it’s about others. i seriously believe jeonghan is kinda like the glue that keeps seventeen together. i love seungcheol to death and i’m literally him, but i think that he would be somewhat lost without jeonghan. seungcheol has too many emotions and jeonghan doesn’t show his (which is a fucking problem !), so i think this makes cheol comfortable enough to share some of the leadership burdens with jeonghan. seungcheol said on htr he had to learn how to lead and i’m a firm believer that jeonghan played a big part in his learning process for that. he is the youngest at home and insanely spoiled and then suddenly boom he has to lead 12 people??? and i think this is most likely hard to do when you’re someone as heart driven as him. also i think we might downplay what leadership means in these groups. it’s a big thing.
i also think that this emotional + maknae side of seungcheol + the fact that he has 11 dongsaengs is part of why jeonghan doesn’t show that much vulnerability in public/cameras. i think he has this sense like he literally can’t afford to do that??? i think seungcheol grew into an amazing leader and i admire who he is a lot. i see myself in him a lot. and it’s really beautiful to see the part jeonghan played in that.
like jeongcheol is a very very sensitive topic for me because it shows so much growth and it’s probably one of the prettiest representations of jeonghan’s empathetic love lang. it makes me sensitive !! can’t deal !!
i also didn’t proofread this so i might be talking shit who knows
also don’t take this as a diss on cheol because it isn’t? is just about how jeonghan literally shaped into his needs to help him lead seventeen from behind the scenes hehe
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I think Joe hasn't had reason to lie to Nicky very often. He's oblivious to how bad he is at it.
Nicky, I'm sure, knows that Joe was going to find it the hardest to cut off Booker, and also knows how giant Joe's heart is, but also hopes that Joe would understand how utterly crushed he was by Booker's betrayal and weigh that in the balance. No wonder he's so mad he has to dash away a tear.
And then he gives his speech about Joe's heart and omg, these two, theeeese twwoooo.
There are five centuries and none at all crammed into the space between Andy’s elbow and Quynh’s. They fall into step, their gait matched as they leave the library. Andy finds there is no amount of guilt or longing, drowning or death equal to the muscle memory of their companionship, nothing that could have prepared her for the dizzying rightness of Quynh at her left, or the simple, searing gut-punch of Quynh’s physical warmth. They don’t touch; Andy thinks she might shatter if they did, that all their years might collapse like a dying star and pull and pull and pull at her core until her cells flung themselves inside out and she’d wink out of this existence and into another. There have been deaths – so many – that have unmade her less than the simple cadence of how Quynh breathes. And she cannot let the full reckoning in – not yet, not now with whatever fresh hell Discord has in mind for men she has clung to and the woman she adores; not now, with miles to cover and darkness a temporary gift.
“I could not miss you,” says Quynh suddenly. “Between deaths, there was nothing I could . . . not until they found me.”
Andy swallows the anguish that rises like bile in her throat, the sound she would make if circumstance allowed. She concentrates on the sound of gravel beneath their boots.
“And then I missed you very much.” Quynh says, and it sounds so simple, the origin of rage and envy and bitterness deserved, and the soft edge of a forgiveness begun.
“I missed you,” Andy offers awkwardly, words like burrs despite herself.
Quynh cups her elbow. “And we will kill her for it.”
Andy holds her breath for three long seconds, and as she exhales she nods.
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I don't think Joe's bad at lying I think he's just bad at lying to Nicky because he's literally just never tried. 900 years and Joe's like whew ok here I go gonna lie to Nicky, he caught me the last time I tried 4 centuries ago but this one will get him, third times the charm,
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Oh my GOD saw Sinners again… everybody trying to take Sammie’s voice (Remmick wanting to take it and use it for himself, his father telling him to give his voice to God, even Smoke telling him to give up the blues for his own good). But in the end his voice belongs to HIM!! it’s HIS gift it’s HIS power and he holds onto it and builds a life for himself with his music!!! It’s is his connection to his past and his avenue to his future
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