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Recently I made a post about how female characters who donβt meet Hoyoβs standards got treated by the game and fandomβ¦and today Iβll point out the another side of the coin and why itβs equally messed up. Aka the women with a lot of genuine complexity behind them but that gets shoved aside in order to put those βideal and appealing girlβ stereotypes front and center.
Spoilers under the cut not just for Nod-Krai, but also a lot of stuff past the Liyue Archon Quest in general:
-For example, what do you mean Lan Yan comes from a family that studied arcane arts (the Qimen arts) and has connections to the Eight Adepts, is so skilled at her crafts that even the adepti were impressed by her, had to contend with the grief of feeling a shadow over Liyue Harbor during 5.3 Lantern Rite, developed her own ways of letting negative feelings pass through her heart without hurting herself or others around her (a rarity for genshin characters tbh), and has some troubles with being separated from her main family branchβ¦and all thatβs shoved to the side in favor of βOmg she already knows and praises the Traveler when they first meet! Sheβs so nice and reliable towards them! Such an ideal and good girl!β in most of her on-screen appearances?
-Kuki Shinobu has a sweet concept of seeing the Arataki gang more as family than her own bio family, thanks to them letting her escape a life chosen for her and not judging her along the wayβ¦and yet the bulk of her time spent with them relies on that one sitcom dynamic of βbumbling man (in this case four of them) needs a responsible woman to keep him in checkβ and how much she needs to be the role model of the group because thatβs whatβs expected of East Asian girls in a lot of upbringings, especially alongside boys.
-Laumaβs people are the Frostmoon Scions, whose ancestors fled Hyperborea after the Celestial Nail fell on it (also the city where the Fae originated, letβs put a pin in that) and sheβs a pretty prominent figure as their current Moonchanter. She not only is tasked with keeping ancient knowledge and secrets alive, sheβs also an incredible leader who can turn the tables without needing to resort to violence and aggression (especially when dealing with the Fatui who are actively oppressing her people), and sheβs smart enough to realize somethingβs off about the Travelerβs βsiblingβ and throws a wrench in Rerirβs plans. Sheβs also seriously conflicted because of her knowledge that the skies are fake, which burdens her with heavy feelings that she doesnβt want to pass onto others because her role as the Moonchanter also means being an inspiration 24/7 so her people donβt lose hope. In the first act of the Archon Quest, her fears are founded when a lot of the Scions jumped ship after confessing what she knew, and she had to deal with her longtime friend switching sides because she couldnβt take the pressure anymore. But none of thatβs interesting enoughβ¦letβs focus on how βstrongβ she is for going through all that with the only real support being glazing (before Luna II anyway) and not give consequences to anyone who contributed to that (Iβve lost track of how many women Hoyo has written like this so they can be comforted by the amazing Traveler, not again)! The real important part is how βnice and reliableβ (see the pattern here?) she is for instantly forgiving the Traveler for deceiving her, (especially with what she had to deal with when her childhood friend also left her)! Oh, and the Traveler notes that she has scars from using her blood to heal others, but we canβt have that on her in-game model cause that would make herβ¦imperfect. Something also bothers me about how Flinsβs line about her is often reduced to him βsimping for herβ and βharboring a secret crushβ by the fandomβ¦when the Fae also had Hyperborean origins and looking at her reminds him of the lost city. He of all people would be aware of what her role as the Moonchanter represents and is trying to keep alive, and has a genuine admiration and respect for what she carries and the burden she bears. But noooo, letβs reduce it to βLauma simp lolβ instead of exploring a potential dynamic where Lauma can feel safe enough to not have to swallow down her troubles all the time.
-Ganyu literally lived through the Archon War and fought in it which still affects her centuries later, lost a lot of people throughout the years including her father, works hard at her job because itβs the only thing that remains unchanged in a world that constantly shifts and itβs become her anchor to normalcy over all those years (hence why she breaks down when sheβs put on leave), has a genuinely sweet relationship with the Tianshu and his family, is pretty adept at political chess which she uses to her advantage in her Story Quest, and finds that thereβs more reason for her to fight for Liyue and Rex Lapis than her contractβ¦and the focus tends to be on how βnice and reliable and gf materialβ she is by the fandom, especially next to the βcolder and more unfriendlyβ Ningguang, on top of some really demeaning crap about her weight in-game???
-Nilou was one of the few dedicated supporters of Kusanali in a nation that refused to let go of their idealized image of Rukkhadevata, and made it known with her dances and public acknowledgment of the Sabzeruz festival even if she knows sheβll face backlash for it. She cherishes the community sheβs built in the theater troupe, and is willing to step up to protect it in any way she can - including honing a skill that she had little to no prior experience in, like debate. And before that, sheβs wise enough to admit that she isnβt great at debating, but is willing to accept that and try to learn to do so anyway - itβs always nice when a character can take an L with grace, you know? Nilou fits into the nation of wisdom in a crucial way - sheβs self-aware enough to face her own shortcomings and learn from them, sheβs aware enough of others to empathize with their circumstances and acknowledge how her actions can affect their livelihood, she knows what she stands for without being pressured into it and refuses to cave in to pressure to go with the status quo, and sheβs quick-witted enough to learn to debate within a few days, not to mention how quickly she picks up her intricate dance sequences. And sheβs one of the very few people who didnβt immediately jump to conclusions about Alhaitham, who sheβs fairly accepting of even when sheβs weirded out by his attitude. Also because Iβve seen a lot of the fandom assume that she canβt lift a finger to defend herselfβ¦did everyone just forget about the combat sequence in her Story Quest where she joins the Traveler to fight some tigers that were attacking her friend? Unfortunately thatβs all often shoved aside for how βnice and reliableβ she is to the Traveler, to the point the fandom often reduces her to a Traveler simp with no personality. And thatβs really unfair to her.
-Skirk is Tartagliaβs long-hyped master in the Abyss who taught him everything he knows about combat, and she lives up to it in her Story Quest and her gameplay. Sheβs also a unique character in that sheβs not of this world, yet not a descender either - her homeworld was destroyed, and she ended up in the Abyss where she was tormented by Surtalogi as part of her βcombat trainingβ which even led to her having to replace lost limbs to keep on going. Even then, sheβs far from an unfeeling person at all - she still harbors guilt over being the only person to survive her homelandβs destruction, she refuses to form relationships because of Surtalogiβs promise that heβll destroy any connections she makes while she watches which messed with the way she navigates the world, yet she still canβt push down fond memories of her time with her family (including their love for music) and her care for her disciple. She also has a goal of being strong enough to defeat Surtalogi one day before he can make good on that promise, so that maybe sheβll finally be free to connect with others on her own terms. But who cares about all that, time to showcase how special the Traveler and Paimon can be by having them melt her icy heart and teach her to embrace the love thatβs waiting for her (TM), even after they did questionable things such as give her a nasty nickname and think to take her to a strangerβs house even though they know she doesnβt like new people. Her circumstances are treated like they can be healed with the βright, special personβ when deep scars like that cannot just be forced out of someoneβs mind, and doing so can make things worse. With how women who arenβt all bubbly and friendly are treated (like I said in my last post), watching Skirkβs story go down like that was a bit unsettling.
In all these cases, these characters are mainly treated like the most important thing to them are βomg so nice and reliable and ideal, especially to the special Traveler!β as if focusing on anything else about them or applying nuance to their βniceβ qualities might make them βless appealingβ to the target audience, which often repeats the same shit without realizing what the implications are. Iβm hoping more of the playerbase recognizes this and start giving more attention to the genuinely interesting traits these ladies have, and explore the potential they have with their personality traits rather than βso appealing to the Traveler.β
What would you think if Shinobu was revealed to be the electro sovereign?
Dude im pretty sure youve asked this on my main twt acc too LMFAOO
But i haven't really replied to it bc i forgot so ill reply here. Personally i like her being an ordinary human being, well shes not really ordinary but you get what i mean. Honestly, i wouldnt rlly feel anything if she turned out to be the electro sovereign, i just wouldnt care too much abt it. I like my Kuki Shinobu as deputy leader Kuki Shinobu π
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Because personally I'm really conflicted on him; On one hand, I appreciate that he does stick to his guns on a lot of things and does occasionally give Paimon as much shit as she gives him even if it is only played for humour. Additionally, I like that he doesn't just roll over and bend backwards trying to please everyone, he likes his personality and sees no need to change it to fit how others think he ought to be.
On the other hand, I don't like how much of a gag character he's treated beyond his quest. His allergies are constantly made fun off, he's treated and depicted as being dumb as a rock, they basically turned him into an oversized baby outside of the chasm quest and his story. Speaking of him being stupid, I really, really hate that. Like, I can accept him maybe being under-educated in the sense that maybe teachers wouldn't have been tolerant off him or maybe just brushed him off as a problem child, it's shown in canon that Granny oni was the only one to properly accept him and she's been ostracised for that as well. But the fact that even his quest treat it as the fact he's only losing jobs regularly is because he's short-tempered and lazy. Yeah, he can be quite bombastic, but lazy? His whole quest was about going on the run and taking a hit for his family to prevent any more prejudice coming their way. He puts himself in harms way to save his friends in the chasm. He's headstrong, blunt, passionate, and really big hearted. Honestly I'd say he's actually quite emotionally intelligent compared to some characters and I really wish he wasn't just treated like a clown.
Itβs a double-edged sword for me too. As a character, I find Itto pretty endearing, and Iβm always happy to see a character who isnβt that academically strong still have a lot of good qualities (especially with how Chinese society still tends to learn towards academic success/high prestige = moral goodness). But I also feel like a lot of his treatment is treated as okay or even funny because of the way black sheep/delinquents get treated in Chinese communities, in a similar vein Iβve discussed with Kaeya.
Everyoneβs heard of academic stereotypes when it comes to how East Asians and Chinese people tend to be portrayed, itβs always about the pressure to get good grades and the jokes about anything under 100% being failure getting treated as a funny. But what never seems to get explored properly is the other side of the coin: someone whose norm isnβt constant achievement, especially if theyβre still living under that same high-pressure system as the people who do meet those standards. I was one of them in my public school years, and I hope I can provide some perspective. Even if I had a lot of trouble even keeping up with what was considered passing, saving face was still considered way more important than even considering why I might be struggling. I think thatβs why Itto gets treated the way he does: not only does he suck at even keeping jobs, he also sucks at hiding his failures. Constantly. Now, he doesnβt seem to be embarrassed about them and doesnβt let the opinions of others stop him, and I think thatβs one of his positive traits. But at least in the communities I grew up in, that wasnβt treated as a positive trait - it was treated like a terrifying and defiant trait by a lot of authority figures, and I think that contributes to his treatment by the Traveler and the narrative even if heβs a playable character. Like, Iβve had authority figures unleash a bucketload of rage at me for telling them no one actually cares if I had a couple of wrinkles in my jacket, it got that bad at times. Ittoβs general lack of people pleasing mightβve also gotten him this treatment as well, because weβve seen where Hoyo puts people-pleasing on their moral compass. Academic success could be counted as a form of people pleasing with where and how I grew up, and getting bad grades was often treated like you donβt care about your familyβs reputation, thus itβs perfectly fine for everyone else to treat you like shit as retribution, including other kids raised to be people pleasers in your society /s. A lot of Ittoβs positive qualities are seen as terrifying in a society where people are still caught up in that, and when you combine that with all the stereotypes about delinquentsβ¦yeah.
Also youβre spot on about Ittoβs emotional intelligence: not only did he have his entire Story Quest where he understood that his friend wasnβt as sinister as initially thought, but when people are willing to point out to him where he fucked up, he actually takes a step back to reflect on it. While he has a lot more trouble with retaining that info than say, Kaeya or Yoimiya, he still tries, and since a bunch of kids consider him a safe person to be around, heβs definitely doing something right. I feel like he has more social skills than some of the characters who Hoyo pushes into that role without really showing it. And when it comes to other areas, sure, he messes up quite a bit, but Iβve noticed that a lot of other, academically βsmartβ characters have had similar fuck ups, and theyβre not treated as any less smart for them (I.e. Monaβs this amazing astrologist, but couldnβt figure out the basics of how kids worked in her Story Quest and that bites her hard when she interacts with Klee). This brings up another grievance Iβve had with Genshinβs writing: when it comes to Genshinβs stereotypically academically βsmartβ characters, they rely way too hard on that aspect of them to point and go βtheyβre soooooo smart guys!β, and itβs often used in place of actually showing them applying that knowledge outside of big words, fancy experiments or anything related to books (I.e. Lisa, Albedo, a lot of the Akademiya, Sucrose, Rhinedottir, etc. rely on this a LOT, and Iβm saying this as someone currently in a STEM field). Meanwhile, when it comes to characters who arenβt held up as academic geniuses, they tend to have their wit and application show up in their actions frequently and in multiple ways, and ironically they actually come across as much more believably intelligent than the ones above. Like Kaeya, Yoimiya, Kazuha, Thoma, Beidou, Nefer, Dehya, Jahoda, and Flins. Itto also falls into this category pretty neatly, because though heβs not shown to be particularly knowledgeable, he does actively try to apply what little info he has to the situation heβs in, even if they fall flat half the time, and I think thatβs the important part. Chinaβs emphasis on academic achievement definitely worsens this in my opinion, and even now, itβs been a slow process for younger generations to unlearn that.
Another aspect that makes Ittoβs treatment hard to watch is that he has a lot of moments of genuine distress, but heβs still treated like an idiot like itβs some funny gag. He even gets smacked around a few times and itβs treated like βno really they love him so much!β Iβve talked about how much of a problem Iβve had with people insisting that someone in mental distress is an βidiotβ in my Kaeya posts, and I feel like this happens a lot with Itto as well. Itβs that weird tough love thing Iβve talked about in those posts, and the way Itto doesnβt bend easily to it would easily get him labeled as βdifficultβ and βhard to handle.β In reality, thatβs a perfectly reasonable response to being treated like that, especially if a lot of your life involved people making assumptions about you without even letting you say a word to prove otherwise (and wouldnβt you know itβ¦deciding someone in mental distress is an βidiotβ is just another form of that trauma disguised as care, who wouldβve guessed).
Also, while this isnβt really Ittoβs faultβ¦am I the only one who has some issues with his dynamic with Shinobu? It feels like one of those gendered dynamics Iβve already seen on sitcoms that Iβm not fond of (bumbling male figure who needs a responsible woman to keep him in check/take care of him). Even here, Hoyo manages to fall into the exact same trap they did with previous characters they intended to be βstrong womenβ: give her a stereotypically girlboss position or strength on the surface level, but when it comes to the rest of her writing, completely neglect to check their biases and just give her what Chinese society tends to idealize about women, which - shocker - is usually dehumanizing and demeaning no matter how much you point and go βlook at her strong character trait we made her! So girlboss and feminist!β (For example: Noelle being a knight and being so strong she breaks her swords, but is completely idealized and called one of the βnicest people everβ for her inability to say βnoβ and being at everyoneβs aid at any time, and even slipping up a bit is seen as a failure thatβll ruin herβ¦terrible look in a society where women and girls suffer due to being expected to put everyoneβs needs over their own no matter how βstrongβ sheβs made out to be, and also she has a tendency to completely ignore peopleβs boundaries to help them which isnβt as kind as itβs held up as in the game, but thatβs never treated like a real flaw, because that would beβ¦bad. An important aspect of treating female characters with care is letting them have flaws without the duality of ideal vs irredemable). Shinobuβs whole thing is that she wants to escape a life that was chosen for her, and because the Arataki gang let her do that without judging her, she sees them more as family than her bio family, and on its own, thatβs a really sweet and compelling concept. But Hoyo also decided to top it off withβ¦oh, sheβs also an overworked woman who does it for someone elseβs sake to the point itβs reflected in her Elemental Skill shaving HP off when she starts her healβ¦and the boys need HER to keep them in line or else all hell will break loose because boys must be naturally rowdy and girls have to be role modelsβ¦and she has to nag themβ¦yippee. Iβm also not that fond of how much she gets to call Itto and the rest of the gang βidiotsβ, especially with how ADHD-coded Itto comes off as, and the jokes about beating them up when they misbehave, and thatβs something I wish wasnβt so prominent. And just like with Kaeya and his loved ones, 95% of her interactions with him and the gang are like this while maybe 5% are of her admitting that theyβre like family (not even to them, to the Traveler and some are behind friendship-locked quotes), which makes me wonder how the writers thought they would convince players of her true feelings about them. This is yet another area where the dynamic wouldβve been so much more heartfelt if Hoyo checked their shit and applicability for more than five seconds, and didnβt rely so much on pointing and telling rather than showing.
On a more positive note though, I do love a lot of the relationships Itto has with others, cause they have much more depth than Hoyoβs usual βif you love someone you must treat them like a godβ bs that they tend to tack onto some of the idealized characters. I do love his relationship with Granny Oni, and the way she was willing to risk her own place in society to take care of him. She acknowledges that he can be impulsive and that heβs not perfect, but hey, she doesnβt spend most of her screen time giving him a dose of βtough loveβ, and itβs clear that he respects her as well and is capable of reeling in some of his impulsiveness for her sake (almost like a lot of the backbone for a genuinely supportive relationship isnβt about calling someone an idiot). I also love how loyal his gang is to him, to the point where theyβre willing to distract the Tenryou commission so heβd have a chance to catch up with Takuya, and while theyβre not always on the same page as him or even each other, I can get behind the notion of them genuinely respecting him and their claims that heβs a decent boss. I also love his interactions with Thoma (seriously why does Thoma always take the biggest Ws when it comes to treating others with genuine respect?), and it did help that heβs the only one who was completely oblivious to Ittoβs allergies when he triggered them (*cough* unlike the Traveler and Yae *cough*) and tries not to do it again. I also found it hilarious that Ittoβs first thought before officially meeting Thoma was βwhy was HIS vision confiscation more special than mine?! π‘β and they gradually ended up becoming friends, and in the music festival event, while Thoma couldnβt attend he did send him two king Onikabuto, which showed that he pays attention to one of Ittoβs biggest hobbies even if he doesnβt understand it that well himself. His friendship with Ayato does feel a bit flat due to how little we see of Ayato forβ¦anything really, but from the small gifts Ayato gives him and the way he encouraged Ittoβs beetle fighting in a rare moment of respite, I can see that Ayato likes and respects him enough as a friend.
As for potential on-screen interactions, Iβd like to see him and Yoimiya hang out. She has voice lines about him saying that while he looks terrifying, heβs actually a kind person whoβs good with kids. Sheβs also one of the least judgmental characters in the whole game and one of the few nice and kind characters that Hoyo managed to nail, so I think theyβd be really good friends if they got an interaction. Iβm also curious about what would happen if he interacted with Sayu (Iβm not sure if theyβve ever had screentime together, let me know if they did), since heβs shown to be good with kids and sheβs amazed at how tall he is. And Ayaka, since sheβs slowly been able to reach out to other people in Inazuma to befriend them after her time with the Traveler. And just for funβ¦Iβd like to see how him meeting Kaeya would play out, considering Thoma did mention introducing Kaeya to some youkai, they do have a lot in common due to being outcasts and being wrongfully accused of being lazy or up to no good, and just because Kaeyaβs my favorite and I want to see more of him.
So yeah, while I do love Itto and how unique he is amongst the cast, Iβm not fond of how that still gets squashed under Hoyo still wanting to fall back into whatβs comfortable in society.
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