Owen Smith Bristol Event Report - 03/08/16 18:30
(Full Audio of the event, some useful video available here: https://youtu.be/6r7Je0Zq9iU)
(All things in âquotesâ are genuine quotes - I was taking notes
This was the one in Bristol yesterday.
I don't support Smith, but it's important to hear all sides of an argument, in their own words, in person if possible. I'll compare this to the Corbyn speech/Momentum meetings I've been to as I go.
For those wanting the tl;dr - about what you would expect from business style politician, around 100 people Iâd guess from places including Gloucester, Exeter and Somerset, saying reason people arenât voting Labour is because they donât think itâs a competent party (regardless of swing to Greens, Lib Dems and UKIP), high use of divisive language such as âToriesâ, âLibsâ, voting Leave not being British values , policy ideas mostly the same as Corbynâs (but with Trident and wanting to build a Nuclear Power Station in Hinkley) but few implementation ideas, leading to a moment where he kept ignoring a repeated question about that over the course of an hour, which right at the end ended up with the crowd yelling and jeering at a man as Smith did nothing, before he got in the manâs face (within 2 feet) leaning down, gesturing and almost shouting at him as the crowd applauded - it was as unsettling as it sounds.)
First, it was pretty poorly signposted, the bit where the bus stops were, which seemed the obvious entry to the venue, had no Owen Smith/Labour posters on its noticeboard. We wandered around the building, and when we got there, there was a Security Guard outside. Bit intimidating, and not something I'd seen before (and I don't think I need to say, turned out to be about as unnecessary as you'd expect). Got inside and you had to put your name on a list (to keep track of numbers apparently). They had leaflets, which for someone like me who's been reading Corbyn's policies made familiar reading, if a little less detailed. Then there were also Bag Checks. Seriously, not kidding, bag checks and a security guard.
Going in it was like a sauna, stuffy with a lot of people fanning their leaflets rather than reading. Probably just over a hundred people present (some from further afield like Gloucester, Exeter and Somerset) but maybe more, I'm bad at estimating. Only half the chairs had been laid out in the hall, so a lot of people ended up standing, even though you could see the chairs stacked up there like water in a desert. Funnily enough it seemed less organised than the Momentum meetings, but then they have practice so I shouldnât be too harsh.
We waited a bit and then a video was played on a projector of Owen Smith - guessing this was the default 'I'm running for Leadership one', which for a moment made me think it was all going to be video conference, as why do both. A speaker introduced him and he entered the area.
His speech was mostly what you expect of bog-standard politician speech but also a tad...unsettling? He constantly talked about getting 'power', (said with great emphasis each time, like it was in italics) and had a big line of âthe job of the Labour Party is to win powerâ (one would hope it goes beyond that). You know the bit in Harry Potter and The Philosopher's Stone, the line "There is no good and evil. Only power, and those too weak to seek it." Like that. Also talked about Labour being "weak, /weak/â, âteetering on the brink of a precipiceâ etc. And used the word 'fear' a lot, as in 'fear UKIP' - âthis is why we should be so frightenedâ (as in their getting Labour voters). As you can guess, or maybe not, this was very different to the positive sort of thing I've experienced in Momentum meetings and from Corbyn's speeches. It really threw me off. Iâm not overstating it, I promise. But Iâm not really used to the more negative kind of campaigns, so thatâs probably it.
Some seemed to be a bit, counter to the Labour Party. He talked about the ideas of owning houses, cars and holidays âhave disappeared in a generationâ, and several times referred to how things had downtrended in the last 20 years, in which the Labour Party was in power for a good chunk of, so that was odd. He said heâd been apparently feeling that something needed to be done for 20 years, begging the question why now rather than a more appropriate time. Another bit where he somewhat threw Labour under the bus was saying that âSome of us have to fess upâ about things being Labourâs fault, but then gestured to himself when talking about a new generation - âwe need to do somethingâ, so clearly discounting himself as part of the fallible group. And the guy is 46 - weâre not talking some youthful, post-Blair age candidate, he was in the generation of a lot of the âfaultsâ.
The rest of the speech was going through some general ideas, and specific policies, both that mirrored Corbynâs, like âask(ing) the rich to pay a little moreâ, that there should be an âInvestment Programâ. That âLeaveâ and UKIP voters had done so largely because of economic situation rather than racism. Also Wage Council (specifically re: women), Collective Bargaining and investing in re-Industrialisation of ex-Industry areas, the workplace plan he worked on (that Corbynâs policy is to apply an extended version thereof), his line on assistance for Self-Employed, Small and Small-Med Business, Zero Hour Contract abolition. All of which Corbyn shares, in fact Iâm pretty sure he didnât mention a single policy that they donât share/have equivalents of except for Trident and saying that he intends for the Nuclear Power Station to be built.
The summing up of which was saying âIf Iâm leader, thatâs what Iâll doâ, while getting applause of course, didnât feel quite genuine to me, as many of the things wouldnât actually be able to be fully implemented without also winning a general election.
Some bits he also contradicted things heâs said before, like that he âknows itâs wrong to have Austerity in Britainâ when not even a month ago he said âIâm going to argue that austerity is rightâ. Â On Iraq said âI was opposed to it at the timeâ despite being on record at the time as saying he didnât know how he would have voted. When he talked about PFI later he said âIt was wrongâ and yet previously said âIf PFI works, letâs do itâ.
There was a lot of focus on the NHS and on the  âToriesâ. One bit where he seemed to be trying to get the crowd a bit more fired up (as in exclaiming, here hereâs, and spontaneous applause, that sort of thing) he talked about how the âToriesâ targeting the NHS âhate itâ and hate âwhat it stands forâ, as in shared risk, shared reward.
Also the Brexit vote was brought up, him saying how staunchly European he was and that isolationist values are not our, British values. There was a lot of pro-Europe and anti-Leave sentiment rolled up in that and said if he was chosen heâd want, if there were grounds, a second referendum to âput it to the people once againâ.
So, questions were done in lots of three or four. They were (unofficially) answered in order of âdifficultyâ so least to most. Many times Smith said that these would be the last questions, and while it may be cynical of me to suggest, it seemed like he allowed another set, each time it didnât end up with him âon topâ of the questions. Quite a lot he mis-answered, either by not answering fully, or by changing the issue to something else for example bringing up the Tories scrapping Bursaries for Nurses when asked a different question about the NHS. None was worse than what can only be called THE QUESTION, which snowballed into the most unsettling event of the evening.
But we also had the standard ones. Someone asking about PMQâs and what Smith would say as first question to Theresa May, suggesting that wit was needed and implied lacking under Corbyn. Smith got a bit hyped at this, and while he couldnât answer the question and said he didnât know what it would be, but that it would be witty and in response to the situation. Personally I donât care much about witty ad-libbing and prefer the carefully chosen clever, reasoned, polite questions without the snark, I donât watch PMQâs to be entertained (just to be appalled at how we do government with people braying and shouting). I have no doubt he would look more the part than Corbyn at the current style of PMQâs, but I donât think I can say that that would be a good thing.
Someone asked on behalf of someone else about his connection to Pfizer being a stumbling block. He brought up his other jobs as working under BBC and in Amgen, said that he thought it was a good thing for someone to have worked in the Private as well as Public sector, and that they âneed people not in politics all their livesâ. Iâm not sure that really answered the question as working for HIV-patents-so-no-cheap-drugs Pfizer, or Amgen as PR manager while theyâre being sued for selling drugs misleadingly and killing a lot of people is a little different from, say, running a bakery or a garden centre.
About Prepositional Representation he said he was yet to be convinced and that despite being a better measure of what the public feel, says you would lose connection with your local representative. Iâm not sure how many lay people know their local representative but there you go.
Asked if they good give money to the NHS and paying for the investment things he wants to do by scrapping ÂŁ200b Trident and the ÂŁ300b Hinkley Nuclear Power Station, he replied that he wants the Nuclear Power Station to be built (a fact that I, and I think a lot of the audience didnât know, as there was a sudden sense of stillness) but has questions about the private investment, and âmaking it China ironicâ. Regarding Trident, he said he used to feel that way in his late teens, early 20âs (implying itâs a thought of youth rather than realism), that now the world is âfeeling more volatileâ (regardless of statistical evidence that suggests otherwise - but hey, feelings) and that every time you turn on the news thereâs always something going on. He said âthe Labour party need to be seriousâ in regards to defending the British Public (implying those who disagree with Nuclear Weapons and their use, therefore Corbyn are not) and that, and remember this is a direct quote âI donât think weâll make the world safer by getting rid of ours firstâ.
Re: TTIP he said he was pleased at efforts to mean it wouldnât effect the NHS but was worried.
So, THE QUESTION was asked by a person saying first, thank you for being here, they were from Exeter, then saying that we lost the last election because of the Conservatives, and âHow, if you win, youâll be able to do all the things youâve been promising?â
Well, when the three questions had been taken, he talked about Exeter and patriotism and them being fighters (nothing to do with what the person had said) and then tried to move on - very heavy-handedly, and the person (rightly in my opinion) spoke up and said that Smith hadnât answered the question. Smith said repeatedly and very pushily, that he had, and then moved on again, ignoring the personâs protests. This was rather horrible to watch, but what made my heart go was later, a person at the front, rather angrily, brought up the fact that Smith hadnât answered THE QUESTION and added his own bit about the economy - wanting details rather than just âweâll have a plan to-â which was a recurring theme, to which Smith said he thought heâd talked about the economy enough, but ok. Three other questions were taken, all answered, but his ignored. Smith moved on, about to do another set, the man spoke up asking for THE QUESTION to be answered and Smith said heâd do his at the end. A few sets later, the man angrily asked again, was being brushed off with another non-answer - saying âIâve answeredâ - Smith for the fourth time now not answering THE QUESTION, and then the man stood up, appealing to the crowd - asking them to listen (to what Smith was/was not saying) but they jeered loudly at him, shouting at him to âsit downâ, it was really alarming, especially as Smith just stood there, smirking - and Iâm not making that up, he was smiling, not intervening or telling people that wasnât appropriate - contrast that with Corbynâs handling of the heckler at SOAS where the person yelled âwhere were you!â, the crowd reacted in much the same way and Corbyn told them to stop and âlet our friend speakâ and then answered them. Then, with the crowd still shouting as the man sat, starting talking loudly as they grew quiet, making chopping motions and getting slowly closer until he got within two feet of him, bending down and gesturing and almost shouting in his face that they would have a plan to do this, and a plan to do the other - which as youâll notice, doesnât answer the question of how to actually enact it. I felt so sorry for him, it must have been awful, and he was right, Smith didnât answer THE QUESTION, even when he was all up in his face. Say what you like about Corbyn, but he would never, never have acted like that.
At first glance he appeared to be not attacking Corbyn, saying thank you for âhelping my generation feel able to talkâ, ârediscovering radicalsâ, and getting people âenergised to get involvedâ. While saying that Corbyn had been speaking truth about a âstructural set of problemsâ and âgross inequalityâ, he also had a few sly digs at Corbyn, one of which was shoehorning him into a question about how to make Labour feel like the patriotic party (rather than UKIP) in which he said that Corbyn never seems to feel proud of our history or accomplishments citing that when asked about whether heâd like to give Andy Murray congratulations, he said yes, and heâd also like to give congratulations to Serena Williams, who Smith reminded us, was American. He mentioned her being black and a leading figure but that he still felt it was unpatriotic. It seemed⌠wrong somehow. I think he knew it, as he did back-peddle a little, but still. He also encouraged the idea that Corbyn hadnât tried hard enough by emphasising how hard he would try, every day. He brought a question that was about having people from all walks of life participate in debates in colleges to turn into something about anti-semitism (perhaps he misheard?), that he â(didnât) think it was just about Jeremyâ - I see that leading âjustâ, and that if he was leader, if anyone was found guilty of racism, sexism, against beliefs, faiths etc. they should be out of the Labour Party, though admitting he hadnât read the report. And there are the numerous other bits Iâve mentioned as Iâve gone through, such as implying the refusal to use Nuclear Weapons means he is not serious about protecting the British Public. His argument against Corbyn, came back to the same âfeelingsâ argument as Trident did earlier - âfor all sorts of reasonsâ (re: Corbyn winning a General Election) âI donât feel itâ and âIf Iâm wrong Iâll be the first to shake his handâ.
One of the things that came up a lot in his speech, and the questions after, was the only reason Smith gave for the reason that Labour lost is that people donât see us as a competent governmental party. Which unfortunately doesnât explain why we lost people to the not-exactly-known-as-competent parties of the LibDems, UKIP and the Green Party. While he mentioned UKIP it was to say that weâd win back voters by improving their economic stance (which is all well and good, but takes a great deal of time, and also, frankly, to already be in power) and by explaining to them why their situation is the way it is (as in result of âToriesâ and cuts and repealed rights rather than immigration etc.) - which as we noticed from Brexit, doesnât work. Adding too this, his divisive language - repeated use of âToriesâ as âenemyâ, being very pro-Remain and particularly anti Leavers saying these werenât British values, referring to Liberal Democrats as âLibsâ in disparaging sense (âdoing deals with Libs who have been in bed with the Tories for the last five yearsâ) , subtle digs at Corbyn and supporters), his refusal to answer THE QUESTION of how to win back Conservatives, and do any of this in any practical sense, I fear that the main reasons for the partyâs loss of popularity are being ignored - that ultimately people who âshouldâ be voting Labour, are voting for other parties. By ignoring this rather than facing it, to me it suggests that he doesnât see this as the problem, and therefore will not be able to give us opportunities to overcome it. Much of Corbynâs âun-electabilityâ comes from the media handling, but I fear Owen Smithâs is going to be genuine, as a person who doesnât understand how to bring people back to vote Labour and the need to do so - the most he could do is brief bubble then maintain, not grow. Really doesnât give me hope for the self-proclaimed âUnity Candidateâ.