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my durge's name is amity, so their ship name with gortash is gortity, aka gore titty, so i'm winning
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regardless of how anyone feels about the tone of the old gortash letters vs the new, as a bisexual male player, it just kind of hurts that they walked back on queer implications while leaving in the letters that involve the same character's relationships with women. it doesn't really matter WHY gortash was writing that way to a man, manipulative or not-- it was inarguably queer in that it was something a straight man would not say to another man, whereas his potential queer relationship to the dark urge is purely subtextual. to queer men, spelling it out does matter.
if the old letters hadn't included the queer implications in the first place, the new letters would have been fine and tonally fit the writing in a different direction than the original ones. but they were queer, and it's somewhat cruel to give players a piece of an ability to see themselves reflected in the world and then take it away. i'm not calling the devs homophobic and i really doubt the intentions behind the change were centered around the queerness, but i think the oversight on how it would come off to remove queer content is a mistake. i would feel the same way if the changed content centered a character i didn't care about or didn't like-- i think you have to stand by your original commitment to queer players.
i also think it's somewhat unintentionally cruel in the sense that this content that i originally read as unambiguously queer, that i felt happy to casually come across, is now the center of discourse in which queer people can be talked down to and called delusional for desiring to see themselves as initially reflected in the game. again, regardless of which tonal direction you prefer overall, i'm just trying to get across why walking it back after release feels bad to a lot of queer players.
people sound so serious on here when they say that gortash being a slut is either inherently traumatic or a scandalous crime against his future spouse. cmon now. gold digging from the rich is one of the funniest things he did

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i deserve a gold star for being so sweet and nice and not killing
i think tav/durge needing to be their LI's perfect therapist in order to deserve them is a bit of a boring interpretation of the game's idea of a bunch of disparate people, many of whom don't like each other at first, coming together. the game focusing on the NPC sides of the relationship because custom characters are left fairly up to interpretation doesn't mean it's trying to frame compromise or partners wanting different things as inherently abusive or upsetting, even diegetically, which is a bizarre take to pull out of video game relationships.
i'm personally interested in relationships (in "the good routes") that are mutually unhealthy in certain ways due to the slow resolution of past traumas, and not everyone has to be interested in that or similar angles, but i'm surprised relationships in the fanbase are frequently so broadly read as "doing everything right or doing everything wrong" based on the two singular choices most characters get. video game romances must be mechanically structured that way, but i don't think that mechanical structure is meant to be read as a template for what works in more necessarily two-sided writing or like... resolving conflict in life.
there are a lot of ways you can read gortash's views on bane, but i think my own read is that he sincerely worships bane like a despotic CEO worships the idea of multibillionaires and tries to get their attention. gort is kind of techbro-coded with the pollution and unethical robots, after all.
in my head, he worships bane both because it's a practical way to attain power-- align himself with an existing cause with goals that bolster his own-- and because bane is a figure who represents achievement of gortash's own desires. he genuinely admires bane, but also knows the value of paying tribute to his superiors, whom the power trickles down from.
there's also the potential that, by aligning himself with bane, he could be certain of who his soul belonged to, which is a form of control over his own destiny. and gortash loves control.
i personally can't see a potential split from bane, were it to happen, being fear-motivated so much as a practical acknowledgment of the worldview that gortash himself is a pawn of bane just as gortash's own subordinates are pawns to him, and gortash can be discarded for failure. gortash's delusional self-importance seems to make him genuinely see himself as bane's asset, but as things go to shit towards the end of act 3, the stance of the dead 3 becomes closer to razing it all as a cosmic chess move than preserving the plan, and that includes everything gortash wanted. in the end, gortash is another replaceable mortal whose fate would have hinged on his performance in manipulating the board away from certain disaster in his god's eyes (practically unachievable per the game's themes, but that's a different post) and the ultimate will of his god when that doesn't happen. i would even go so far as to say that gortash is more conscious of and comfortable with this arrangement than most, from the way he responds positively to the dark urge splitting from bhaal when bhaal no longer serves a purpose to them, and potentially because of his house of hope upbringing wherein he was exposed to the idea of souls as bargaining chips to align with a cause or to lose. so, i think a gortash split from bane would be almost amicable in the sense that he is aware that bane is part of the ecosystem of power and makes choices about his subordinates that gortash himself would make, even if it became impossible for gortash to deny that he has no upwards ground with bane after failing him.
tldr; gortash's views are an interesting mix of both practical and religious to me, in the sense that religion in this setting can also be acknowledgment of powers that really exist beyond blind faith.
to add to this, i also think the theatricality of religion genuinely appeals to gortash, who has a flamboyant side. he understands the power behind symbol and gesture, and revels in the attention that religious ritual shines on him.
though, funnily enough, i think that showman's desire to have an audience is one of the traits that people acknowledge as un-bane-y, and somewhat contradictory to his own belief in absolute hierarchy otherwise. you could intuit that he wants an equal figure to rule by his side in part because he wants a legitimate witness to the spectacles that he pens, someone who's able to appreciate his work in a genuine way instead of a mind-controlled one.
what bane actually thinks about gortash sharing power is hard to say, because the gods themselves have often-petty tertiary goals that are served by people who get results, no matter how, and i think the relationship between bane and gortash is potentially businesslike in that way too.
there are a lot of ways you can read gortash's views on bane, but i think my own read is that he sincerely worships bane like a despotic CEO worships the idea of multibillionaires and tries to get their attention. gort is kind of techbro-coded with the pollution and unethical robots, after all.
in my head, he worships bane both because it's a practical way to attain power-- align himself with an existing cause with goals that bolster his own-- and because bane is a figure who represents achievement of gortash's own desires. he genuinely admires bane, but also knows the value of paying tribute to his superiors, whom the power trickles down from.
there's also the potential that, by aligning himself with bane, he could be certain of who his soul belonged to, which is a form of control over his own destiny. and gortash loves control.
i personally can't see a potential split from bane, were it to happen, being fear-motivated so much as a practical acknowledgment of the worldview that gortash himself is a pawn of bane just as gortash's own subordinates are pawns to him, and gortash can be discarded for failure. gortash's delusional self-importance seems to make him genuinely see himself as bane's asset, but as things go to shit towards the end of act 3, the stance of the dead 3 becomes closer to razing it all as a cosmic chess move than preserving the plan, and that includes everything gortash wanted. in the end, gortash is another replaceable mortal whose fate would have hinged on his performance in manipulating the board away from certain disaster in his god's eyes (practically unachievable per the game's themes, but that's a different post) and the ultimate will of his god when that doesn't happen. i would even go so far as to say that gortash is more conscious of and comfortable with this arrangement than most, from the way he responds positively to the dark urge splitting from bhaal when bhaal no longer serves a purpose to them, and potentially because of his house of hope upbringing wherein he was exposed to the idea of souls as bargaining chips to align with a cause or to lose. so, i think a gortash split from bane would be almost amicable in the sense that he is aware that bane is part of the ecosystem of power and makes choices about his subordinates that gortash himself would make, even if it became impossible for gortash to deny that he has no upwards ground with bane after failing him.
tldr; gortash's views are an interesting mix of both practical and religious to me, in the sense that religion in this setting can also be acknowledgment of powers that really exist beyond blind faith.
custom design for my durge, amity (they/them), who has the heart of a sadomasochistic choir boy and wants to kill the dead three to become the new god of death
look at my beautiful hellraiser/last unicorn hybrid baby. they have about 12 piercings and every disease

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my durge is a 5 foot tall transmasc autistic tiefling twink with severe anxiety who was born with only stumps instead of horns and had sceleritas close to tears while performing guided top surgery and a hysterectomy on them at 19 years old, and it's hilarious to me to think about bhaal spitting out that little creature and going "my perfect killing machine. or close enough"
his name? gort
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always loveee seeing such variety in Dark Urge character designs... like Bhaal is always on those old dress up games making Durges...
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i like the scenario where gortash is even more intrigued by who the dark urge becomes post-amnesia.
maybe, before the events of the game, durge was held back by their father's ambitions, which they diligently cultivated out of a desire for acceptance, or fear, or lack of purpose outside of the cult, but never had as complete an interest in as they feigned. and gortash, as close as he was, could see that durge was pulled in directions that ran counter to their true desires, and their true strengths-- bhaal wants a brutish killer, but gortash respects a brilliant schemer.
maybe the dark urge who returns to baldur's gate with a tadpole in their head is more in touch with their own power than they have ever been, since they've been given the space to build an identity outside of bhaal. gortash can respect this unfiltered dark urge for the real brilliance that he always saw in them, now on full display instead of languishing under the rigidity of bhaal's teachings.
i just don't think it's true at all that gortash would inherently see changes in the dark urge as a net loss when he was perfectly positioned to see the raw potential that the events of the game allow durge to nurture and indulge in. they may wind up clashing over other traits that durge develops, like a newfound sense of care for others, but the dark urge regardless remains gortash's equal in his estimations, morally begrudging or not, because the overpowering nature inside of them is now theirs to command.
— Frank Bidart, from “Half-light: Collected Poems 1965-2016; ‘The Third Hour of the Night’", published c. 2017.