do you perhaps see a statement coming from hudson about this situation?
I think it's too early to say at this point and a lot will depend on what happens over the next couple of days and whether this starts to fizzle out or gets picked up by more media outlets.
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such an interesting reading!! do you think this will have any lasting impact on his career? i hope its a learning opportunity and not smth that dooms him lol
At this point I don't think it will have a lasting impact. Lots of celebs have weathered similar or worse situations, but I do hope he takes some lessons from it and makes some adjustments to his professional and personal inner circles.
I want to share an excerpt from the reading I did last night on this whole situation with H. I love a long reading as much as the next card slinger but I’ve also always loved that sometimes it only takes a few cards to paint a picture. Newer readers may also find this interesting/helpful because I know that sometimes those big 30+ card spreads with multiple decks and reading styles included can be intimidating.
I started by simply asking what’s going on with H and these “leaks” that are happening and the first card out was the 4 of Cups. I was using the Wild Unknown tarot, which is one of my favorites, and the visual for this card in that deck compared to the traditional Rider-Waite-Smith or a lot of other decks is a bit more…well, see for yourself:
In two of my previous readings I’ve asked about H’s Vancouver friend group. On both occasions I used the phrase “are there snakes in the camp?” when asking about their intentions and on both occasions the first card I pulled after asking had a big snake on it. I’m someone who often gets the sense during readings that the visuals on a particular card are equally or sometimes even more relevant to the message. Snakes to rats feels like a consistent vibe here and that vibe is decidedly not love, harmony, and the power of true friendship.
Considering the visual, the context of the situation, and my intuition, my interpretation leans into the negative as well. This card can represent someone who is dissatisfied, bored, frustrated, self-absorbed, and far too focused on the negative. Someone who may be discontented with the level of progress in their own life and possibly also envious of what others have achieved. This card can also touch on themes like remorse and regret from the past and what came through for me was a feeling like the negative and toxic flipside of nostalgia. Someone who preferred things the way they were before and may even be willing to take actions to restore what their limited and self-absorbed vision sees as the way things “should” be, blind to the fact that dragging H down isn’t actually going to make their own lives any better or give them whatever satisfaction they’re lacking within themselves.
The second card I pulled was the 7 of Wands and this time I was struck even more by the visual and also the sense that these two cards together tell a story.
Here we have one member of a group standing taller and shining brighter than the others. Standing out from the rest, maybe even in a way that has startled and unsettled some other members of the group. And as we know, rats are traditionally not the biggest fans of bright light. Looking at these cards together, “tall poppy syndrome” popped into my mind. For those who aren’t familiar, the idea of tall poppy syndrome is that if you have a field of flowers where one happens to grow much taller than the rest, there are some who will feel compelled to cut it down to restore uniformity and similarly with people, if someone in a group were to grow bigger and shine brighter than the others there would be some who may feel the desire to try to cut that person back down to size. So taken together I think the first picture painted by these two cards is of a person or multiple people who are bored, dissatisfied, jealous losers who don't like that H stepped up above them and is shining on his own, probably in a way that shook up the dynamic of this friend group and brought H out of the box and role that they were comfortable having him play.
Beyond the visual element, the 7 of Wands is a card about standing your ground. It can mean taking on challenges and setting or defending boundaries in the face of pushback or opposition. And as the visual shows, you may not have anyone by your side to support you in this moment so support comes instead from the “inner fire” of strength, bravery, belief, and self-trust that you pull from within you. So in this three card reading, this middle card serves as the bridge between the first and the last card, illuminating both what’s going on and how H may respond.
The third card I pulled, after asking about the deeper motivations or truths within the situation, was Judgement.
Judgement can be a card of reckoning, a wake up call that sparks reflection and makes you re-evaluate. Judgement can be a rebirth if you’re willing to reflect honestly and with clarity and identify patterns and behaviors that aren’t working anymore. Learn from the past so you don’t get stuck there and let yourself heal enough to feel and heed the call forward to something higher and better and more aligned with the truth of who you are and where you’re meant to be. One of the lessons of Judgement is that beautiful things await those who are willing to let go of their old self, and what really came through for me in the context of H and this situation was the message of letting go of what no longer serves you so you can rise unburdened.
As painful as this situation is, this reading indicates that it may be a crossroads moment for H, offering up lessons that hold the keys to a higher, freer path where rats can screech but they can’t scratch. And for what it’s worth, I have every reason to hope because every time I read on H and C in terms of the future, the theme that comes through the strongest and most consistently is of overcoming all challenges to reach a place of triumph and victory. Let’s all just strap in as we follow the eventful journey to get there.
the "but he was 18 and old enough to know better" comment is so fucking stupid to me
eighteen-year-olds are a lot closer to children than they are to fully developed adults. the reason eighteen matters culturally is because that's typically the point where people begin leaving the environments that shaped them: they graduate high school, move away from home, meet different kinds of people, encounter new ideas, and have their assumptions challenged for the first time
all kids are products of their environments. that's true whether we're talking about positive values, harmful beliefs, immature humor, political opinions, or social attitudes. people are not born with an innate understanding of the world: they develop one through exposure, experience, and reflection
"he had a choice to say no!" — people have this incredibly flat understanding of what peer pressure actually looks like in practice. peer pressure is environmental. it's being surrounded by certain attitudes, jokes, behaviors, and values so consistently that they stop registering as unusual because to you, they aren't. a lot of the time it's more "everyone around me treats this as normal, so i never even stopped to question it" than some scenario where you reluctantly give in into something stupid
that's what socialization is: human beings are constantly absorbing cues from the people around them. we copy language, humor, beliefs, fashion, mannerisms, and social norms without consciously deciding to. pretending every eighteen-year-old makes every decision in a vacuum, completely untouched by their friends, community, internet environment, and social conditioning, isn't taking personal responsibility seriously—it's denying how human behavior actually works.
so again: to me, bringing up his age isn't an excuse or a justification, it's a contextual explanation. demographic matters. time period matters. location, friend groups, and social environment all matter, no matter how badly some people want to pretend they emerged from the womb with a fully developed moral framework and have never once been influenced by the people around them.
when people say "he should have known better," my question is always: known better according to whom?
the people around him? the culture he grew up in? the social environment he was immersed in?
because if those things were already teaching him better values, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation
cancel culture often treats current moral standards as timeless and universally obvious. a lot of teenagers in the late 2010s were immersed in edgy, shock-value humor that many people now recognize as offensive and unacceptable. do people seriously think the cultural impact of idubbbz, filthy frank, pewdiepie, ray william johnson, and the broader "edgy internet" ecosystem just magically evaporated in like 2015? especially in some predominantly white town where that kind of humor—and in some cases outright bigotry—was already normalized by the people around them?
millions of teenagers spent years online in environments where shock value was rewarded, offensive jokes were treated as comedy, irony was used as a shield for everything, and being as outrageous as possible was the entire point. that doesn't absolve anyone, but it absolutely helps explain why certain behavior was so widespread and why photos like this exist in the first place.
why are we acting shocked that a teenager from the 2010s behaved like a teenager from the 2010s?
and before anyone suggests it: no, i've never done or participated in anything like this, so this isn't some guilty act of self-preservation disguised as nuance. i grew up watching fish tank setup videos, ihascupquake, and reading the bible. english wasn't even my first language, which probably made me more aware of "bad" words and their connotations because i had to consciously learn them rather than absorb them passively. i also grew up in a majority-black city, so my social environment was completely different from his.
i'm not arguing this because i see myself in the situation. i'm arguing it because i think understanding how people become who they are is more useful than pretending everyone arrived at adulthood with the same experiences, influences, and level of awareness
this is also part of why so many young influencers and celebrities are perpetually doomed now, in my opinion, and why i genuinely think people are going to become increasingly desensitized to scandals like this over the next five years:
this is the first generation whose adolescence has been digitally archived. every dumb joke, bad take, embarrassing photo, immature phase, and socially accepted mistake has been preserved indefinitely so that years later complete strangers can dig through it looking for ammunition.
i think that is the cruelest aspect for bipoc communities because so often genuine cultural pain gets reduced to internet discourse, weaponized for a few days, and then discarded the second people get bored and move on to the next controversy.
some people are posting about this out of genuine hurt, and i feel for those people, but a lot of others are doing it because it's entertaining; because they enjoy feeling morally superior; because they're bored and like the rush of a new scandal. because they're resentful. or because the internet has trained people to treat public figures like fictional characters whose lives exist for consumption.
some people can dress it up as accountability if they want, but a significant portion of this isn't "everyone just hates him because he's more successful than x person" or whatever: the answer is much simpler—he's an easy target for a lolcow. he's asian. he's neurodivergent. he's visibly sensitive. he's emotionally expressive. he's accessible through himself, his team, and those bumfuck "friends"
what irks me the most isn't even the 'haters' to be honest: i dislike a lot of his fans as well. you cannot tell me a lot of the people on twitter genuinely, actually like him. they might someone attractive and new trending, but they also enjoy the spectacle of watching someone get dragged often enough. they enjoy refreshing the timeline to see what people are saying and they enjoy the social rewards that come with publicly condemning someone "just in case" even more
"i'm only here for my oomfies, i don't care about a man" "i feel so sick and heartbroken" "he is so over he'll never recover in my eyes." everyone rushes to stake out the strongest possible position because that's what gets rewarded online
some of these reactions don't even make sense on their own terms. if you're genuinely heartbroken, disgusted, and convinced this person is beyond redemption, then condemn him, unfollow him, remove the profile picture, and move on with your life
why are you still centering him in your online identity?
if people truly believed the worst possible interpretation, their actions would reflect that. instead they keep engaging, keep posting, keep talking, keep watching. that doesn't look like heartbreak, or sensitivity towards the black community, the jewish community, or the queer community to me. it looks like people enjoying someone being a lolcow while maintaining the moral high ground. they get to participate in the spectacle while convincing themselves they're performing a public service
i'm losing focus, but the point isn't that people who are hurt or disturbed by the images shouldn't be and it isn't that nobody should criticize him ever: the point is that there's a difference between understanding how someone ended up doing something and pretending they were born with fully formed 2025 politics, social awareness, and cultural sensitivities
if you're trying to judge character, intent, or growth, context is relevant. and if context is irrelevant, then so are learning, redemption, and social progress because at that point we're no longer evaluating people based on who they were, what they knew, what they were exposed to, or how they've changed.
that's not accountability.
accountability requires understanding what happened, why it happened, and what the person has done since. if your position is simply "they should have known better" and the conversation ends there, then you're not interested in understanding human behavior. you're interested in assigning blame and enjoying the gratification that comes from feeling like you're performing a public service.
once you've decided context doesn't matter, there's nothing left to evaluate except whether someone's past conforms to your present expectations and it almost never will
I invite everyone to notice the pattern in which every time something happens for H that is a really big deal in a positive way (Met Gala, CSA win, etc), shortly after something toxic is vomited up by a certain snake hive that is designed to drag him back down and shift the narratives around him from positive to negative. Further, these drops always seem coordinated for nights and/or weekends, or in other words times that are outside of 'business hours' when PR teams might be slower to respond.
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it's my confirmed position that i would die on at the stake that PR loves the idea of fandom (so much unpaid promotion, so much creativity, helps to keep interest alive in the fallow months/years, etc) but they fundamentally do NOT understand it, nor do most cast/creatives (i do think that Hudson and Connor might have dabbled in fandom as adolescents tbh).
and then there's the additional problem that the internet has become increasingly homogenised - the spaces that existed for fans when i first got into fandom in the early 2000s largely don't exist anymore (forum culture is bones, LJ is a husk, tumblr still hanging on) so so much of fandom is social media based now. in some way that's good for PR; they want Cindy from the office retweeting a cute Hollanov fan-edit but it's bad for fans, especially when people aren't well-versed in fandom etiquette start running around like bulls in a china shop. and it means we rub up often against casual or non-fans in ways we didn't used to.
and THEN there's the additional problem that we have more access than ever to cast and creatives and parts of their lives and personality that they want to show us and in turn they have far more access to our thoughts, feelings and theories. and you can see how H, K, Aika et al, H's Vancouver friends are all using social media differently and maybe to different ends but while the general public and casual fans will watch, heart, move on and not think about it, fandom will study that shit. i'm not inclined to interrogate the ethics of it in this ask, simply to acknowledge that it's a thing that happens and it's a natural extension of fannish meta and analysis just now with real people.
people are reading body language, looking for love-bites and swollen lips, comparing carpet colours, rugs and sofas to decide where a story is taken, keep track of who's following you and trends in the posts they're liking, playing detective with online minutiae. no PR person, however savvy, is going to be able to sustain a false narrative that passes the sniff test with fandom indefinitely - fans are looking for the mistakes, the things that trigger the huh moments, the things that prove their theory and disprove someone else's and PR narratives are only built to withstand the casual fleeting interest of someone who maybe liked the show and is pleased that H won an award but couldn't pick K out of a line-up and has no vested interest in whether H has gone/is going to Atlanta. another social distanced picture of H and K looking wan and irritated isn't going to wash, especially if it drops right after social media excises a glowing H talking about C from the Bell upfronts interviews. we're paying enough attention (possibly too much attention) to be fobbed off.
Many great points, anon. Totally agree about PR liking the idea of fandom and how it could be used but lacking true understanding. Also agree on the death of separate fandom spaces and the issues it brings (FanForum, anyone? ONTD? Pour one out.) While on one hand you could say that there's a level playing field quality and an openness to fandoms existing on platforms like twitter, after the 10000th unnecessary drama or impossible to wrangle discourse, one does long for the old forum model of posting guidelines and moderation and everyone being on the same page about fandom etiquette even if there were some issues with that in practice as well.
In terms of the fandom detective phenomenon, I'm definitely not going to claim to be above it or sit in judgement because that would be hypocritical as I kinda love a bit of detecting and analyzing as long as no lines are crossed. In fact, some of the moral superiority from some corners around that can be kinda tiresome to me, especially when it's coming from hypocritical people (coughhudcelscough) who privately engage in the same actions they publicly criticize. On the flip side, it can be taken too far and if someone finds themselves actively stressing out or jumping to conclusions because someone didn't like someone's Instagram post or comment, it can be good to take a step back.
Ultimately, as you said, in this new and changing fandom landscape some of these PR teams are among those who struggle the most as they attempt to sell narratives and use tactics that weren't ever designed to withstand this kind of scrutiny. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out and all we can hope is that H and C already have or quickly take steps to build teams around them that have their best interests in mind.
In addition to being a tarot reader, I've also done a bit of work in PR and one of the things I've observed in fandom spaces is that a lot of people operate from the assumption that all PR teams have a baseline level of competence and professionalism, are good at their jobs, and have a fresh and current and up to date understanding of the current social media and fandom landscape. I'm here to tell you that none of those things are necessarily or automatically true.
So sometimes when you find yourself asking things like 'if this is PR, why are they going about it in this weird way that makes no sense and isn't really believable?', the simplest answer is the correct one and it's because the PR team in question just isn't doing a good job.
(For the record this isn't a veiled reference to any one specific thing, just a general observation.)
On the flip side of this, if you're wondering why it sometimes seems to you like PR teams are using tactics that are super obvious and clunky and where patterns can easily be clocked, just look around and observe the scary number of people out there who are happy to take everything they see and read at face value and unquestioningly accept any narrative put in front of them. It's not always sustainable long term but some teams feel like fooling a lot of the people a lot of the time is good enough.
In addition to being a tarot reader, I've also done a bit of work in PR and one of the things I've observed in fandom spaces is that a lot of people operate from the assumption that all PR teams have a baseline level of competence and professionalism, are good at their jobs, and have a fresh and current and up to date understanding of the current social media and fandom landscape. I'm here to tell you that none of those things are necessarily or automatically true.
So sometimes when you find yourself asking things like 'if this is PR, why are they going about it in this weird way that makes no sense and isn't really believable?', the simplest answer is the correct one and it's because the PR team in question just isn't doing a good job.
(For the record this isn't a veiled reference to any one specific thing, just a general observation.)
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Would it bother you to do a reading on Hudson's and his Vancouver circle dynamic? The post Samantha likes on IG kinda rubbed me the wrong way, I'm fuming. Thak you in advance 🫶
I have asked about this Vancouver friend group in two of my recent readings. Both times, when asking about the overall vibe/energy and their intentions towards H, I included the phrase "are there snakes in the camp?" in my question. And no joke, on both separate occasions the first card I pulled after asking that question had an image of a big snake on it. (And it's not like I was using a Snake Lovers Tarot deck or anything like that, the deck I was using only has 3 or 4 cards with any kind of snake imagery.)
It's not every tarot reader's style but I believe that sometimes the visual imagery on a card can be equally significant or even more significant than the card's "official" meaning and I definitely think that was the case here and the message was pretty clear. If I do a more in depth reading on this crew I will definitely share it.
On the IG like, I agree with you. It has always been noteworthy to me how much H struggles to accept compliments and praise and I've had the suspicion for awhile that it may have something to do with some of the people in his circle. Also noteworthy is the fact that C was perceptive enough to clock it right away and he has addressed it multiple times in supportive ways.
It may seem cocky for my first post on the subject of tarot on this platform to be a bit of a callout, but I’ve been reading tarot for years and observing the use of tarot in fandom spaces forever, so indulge me a little as I point out a few things that I see as red flags or just generally things to look out for when engaging with content from readers online.
-When readers regularly talk about what they're allegedly getting in their readings but rarely or never show their actual spreads so people can see what specific cards they got. Readers can make mistakes, and readers make choices about how to interpret things. Interpretations can also be guided in the direction of supporting a certain narrative that a reader already believes or wants others to believe, sometimes innocently and sometimes because the reader has that agenda in mind. Seeing the cards for yourself allows you to form your own opinion, even if you're not a reader yourself, and to get a sense of whether you vibe with someone's interpretation style in general.
A few examples of why this matters:
-It’s common to have some less experienced readers in fandom spaces, especially if it’s a fandom with multiple tarot readers active. People get excited and inspired and want to join in. And that’s not a bad thing, but it’s helpful to know when a reader is inexperienced, especially if they consistently produce interpretations that don’t ring true to you or seem way out of line with what other readers are getting. It’s extra helpful to see the actual cards in these situations too, because there have been times when I’ve seen a reader post a spread of cards and an interpretation that seemed to have almost nothing to do with each other.
-There are some readers in fandom spaces who are just straight up doomers. Whether it’s simply their style to lean towards more negative or pessimistic interpretations or, in a few cases, they have a narrative that they want to push driven by their personal agenda/beliefs or by the enjoyment they get from whipping the fandom into a panic. I’ve seen readers post a spread of cards that was very positive overall and somehow pull out an interpretation that is 95% negative and pessimistic. There is also a popular (or at this point maybe “notorious” would be a better word) reader in fandom who I’ve noticed has a tendency to completely gloss over the most positive cards in her reading, or to pair them up with more negative or neutral cards so she can insist that the overall meaning is not positive. I’ve also seen entire sections of a reading that she insists is related to one aspect of a situation but I feel is pretty clearly about another aspect. And of course I could be wrong or both of us could be wrong, but the overall point is that without seeing the actual cards a lot of people end up taking readers at their word in situations where there’s actually a lot of room for questioning or disagreement.
Related to this, if a reader gets super defensive when people disagree with them or even simply ask questions or seek clarification. This goes double if a reader regularly threatens to leave or stop sharing readings if people question or disagree with them.
-When something happens and a reader pops up and claims that they totally did a reading that predicted this exact thing happening a few weeks/months ago but never shared it before because of reasons. I'm not saying this kind of thing can never actually happen or that readers are obligated to share every single thing publicly, but it's something to watch out for if the whole 'I totally predicted this but didn't tell anyone until after it happened, trust me bro' routine becomes a pattern.
Related to this, when a reader seems way too focused on being right all the time and constantly providing “proof” to show that they correctly predicted every little thing that happens. It’s a good thing for readers to go back over their readings to see what they may have gotten right or wrong or what may make more sense later with more info. But it’s a red flag when a reader instead seems to be pushing the idea that they’re always right, with the accompanying implication that people should believe everything they say without questioning them because they’re some kind of oracle of truth. This is especially true if the evidence of their “correct” predictions is actually on the vague side.
An example of this is one particular reader in a couple of fandom spaces who has a habit of writing very long posts about their readings that go around in a dozen circles and cover a zillion different possibilities of what may happen, often using vague or confusing or circumspect language. I suspect that the reason why she does this is so that weeks or months later when something happens, she can go back and pull out a snippet that sounds close enough to be related and share just that snippet as a “correct” prediction, knowing that nobody is going to go back through the whole epic length reading to see that it was actually said in a different context or listed among a dozen other “predictions” of what might happen.
-When readers make predictions or claims based on readings that are way too specific. If you find yourself asking ‘can they really tell all of that from a tarot reading?’, the answer is often no. And on the flip side, when readers engage in vague posting in a way that seems designed to create confusion or stress people out.
-When a reader insists that one particular specific interpretation of a card or a reading is the only possible correct one. It’s totally fine to make a case for why you’ve interpreted something in a certain way or why you think you’ve got it right and it’s also fine to say that your intuition guided you towards a certain interpretation. But if a reader consistently offers only one possible interpretation, especially if it’s really narrow or specific, it’s healthy to be skeptical.
Especially when it comes to readers in fandom spaces, the reality is that there will always be a few who start buying into their own hype and engaging in a way that is no longer responsible or respectful of the practice of tarot. Just because someone claims to have tarot expertise, that doesn’t mean that you need to take their readings as gospel truth or even entertain them at all if you feel that they’re moving in a way that doesn’t feel right to you. You don’t have to be a reader yourself to trust your own intuition.
And that's enough of a yap out of me for one night.